credit repair person threatens to turn me into IRS

13 years ago

If you really think you need legal advice, then a forum is not the place to get it. But, assuming they actually did report you to these agencies, what crime could they possibly say you allegedly committed? My amateur and unsupported opinion is that they're just being jerks.

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Dan C. Rinnert 13 years ago

So, this credit repair person says you don't have to pay Federal taxes and you enter into an eMail exchange with her, questioning the validity of that claim, and she threatens to report YOU to the IRS?

Seems to me she's probably the one that doesn't need to be drawing the attention of the IRS.

But, I'm not a lawyer and nothing I say should be regarded as legal advice.
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Kay King

13 years ago

From what you wrote - it sounds like you initiated this contact. You wrote the person to tell them their product/service is illegal and then you provided "proof".

From the first line - you know this is a bogus product. The people selling it know that, too, so providing proof to them isn't something they will want to see.

If the argument escalated - you are 50% of the escalation. Did you keep trying to prove you were right about their product? If you lost money with this service - use avenues available to get it back.

If you didn't use the service - you are crusading... so let it go.

Many of these "birght ideas" have minor basis in a law that is interpreted a certain way. Often, the courts don't end up agreeing with the interpretation.

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Marilynj55

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

From what you wrote - it sounds like you initiated this contact. You wrote the person to tell them their product/service is illegal and then you provided "proof".

From the first line - you know this is a bogus product. The people selling it know that, too, so providing proof to them isn't something they will want to see.

If the argument escalated - you are 50% of the escalation. Did you keep trying to prove you were right about their product? If you lost money with this service - use avenues available to get it back.

If you didn't use the service - you are crusading... so let it go.

Many of these "birght ideas" have minor basis in a law that is interpreted a certain way. Often, the courts don't end up agreeing with the interpretation.

Kay, I've had this same kind of response from you in this forum on several occasions. I don't appreciate it and I think it is presumptuous. You don't know enough about the escalation to tell me that "I am 50 percent responsible."

I thought this person had info on how not paying income tax would be somehow valid with her methods. I was curious as to why one person can potentially do it and not another.

She replies with vile names and obsenities. I don't think it's out of line to respond to that.

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KenThompson

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Marilynj55

I've had dealings this week with a woman who does credit repair and claims that we don't have to pay Federal Income tax.

I sent her a link to a video about an ex-IRS agent who got thrown in jail for not filing, not paying.

There was at least one well-known biz op back in the late 90s or early 2000s that sold a product based on the claim about federal taxes. The "basis" is the old argument centered around historical legislation resulting in SSANs and the federal income tax. The gist is they are not technically legal, and you technically do not have to pay them.

I've read about several people who challenged this in court, lost, and the result was not very good for them.

That's where all that comes from, just so you know.

I think it's best to halt all forms of communication with that person. You can always complain to her ISP if abusive emails continue.

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Gengis

13 years ago

If you know the product is bogus like in this case, the fact that you got into an email confrontation with her is your fault. I for one hate wasting time and would've never even sent her the video.

Yes what she's selling is bs but unless you somehow know how to report it and have her shut down then its a waste of time.

Don't worry about her emailing the IRS, you are the one that has something on her that could lead to her getting In trouble.

Just chill and focus on coming to this forum to learn and to also give value.

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tpw

13 years ago

Wesley Snipes famously fell for these "don't have to pay income taxes" claims...

Here is his mugshot from when he was arrested for tax fraud and tax evasion:

According to the Wikipedia:

On February 1, 2008, Snipes was acquitted on the felony count of conspiracy to defraud the government and on the felony count of filing a false claim with the government. He was, however, found guilty on three misdemeanor counts of failing to file federal income tax returns (and acquitted on three other "failure to file" charges).

On December 9, 2010, Snipes reported to federal prison to begin his three-year sentence.

Snipes is being held at McKean Federal Correctional Institution, a federal prison in Pennsylvania, and is scheduled for release on July 19, 2013.

Yep.... It didn't work out too well for him... And, he was rich!!

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travlinguy

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Marilynj55

This credit repair person's emails and I escalated, with her ultimately threatening to send all our emails to the IRS and ICC and calling me vile names.

What happened to get things to this point? Maybe you ought to call her bluff and suggest that you send the emails to the IRS.

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Marilynj55 13 years ago

I've thought about that, but I don't want the IRS's scrutiny on me at the moment.

Thank you. At least you stayed away from the "shame and blame" response I've been getting from a few people. How can you shame and blame someone and you don't even know what happened?
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seasoned

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Marilynj55

I've had dealings this week with a woman who does credit repair and claims that we don't have to pay Federal Income tax.

I sent her a link to a video about an ex-IRS agent who got thrown in jail for not filing, not paying.

This credit repair person's emails and I escalated, with her ultimately threatening to send all our emails to the IRS and ICC and calling me vile names.

My purpose in writing was to ask how could sell an information product that could ultimately get someone in serious hot water, ultimately even jail, and I sent her the video link to show that it can happen, and likely *will* to those who mess with the IRS.

My question is: can a marketer in retaliation send emails to the IRS and ICC when I was merely asking a basic question: Is this legal? and showing her an email to demonstrate how it certainly does NOT appear to be legal.

I would appreciate any information or feedback.

There are a LOT of valid claims that could be made about them being illegal. And many have. But the courts won't do anything, and don't want to hear it. The IRS generally wants every PENNY, and they will take it if given half a chance, EVEN if they have to put YOU in DEBT. A credit repair place has NO place telling you it is illegal, and doing so will make the IRS charge interest and penalties. If they catch you, the FIRST step is asking for the money, 2nd step an audit, 3rd step liens and all(Which HURT your credit), 4th is JAIL! Of course not NECESSARILY in that order, etc... and something, such as selling information like this, can speed it up!

If she sends these emails, she is technically breaking the law! FURTHER, sending them could land HER in jail, because it says she has broken at least two OTHER laws! And WHAT would it do to YOU? So I doubt she would be dumb enough to try. One thing though! HER releasing emails from you basically says she gives YOU permission to release hers.

Steve

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yukon

Banned 13 years ago

Use an anonymous email. I doubt you used an anonymous email otherwise you wouldn't care what they did with any email you sent them. What could you have gained from contacting them, you already knew they were bogus claims?

Sounds like you just wanted to get them stirred up.

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Marilynj55

13 years ago

I didn't just want to "get them stirred up." I actually thought it might be valid, as I have IRS problems myself, and if she knew a legit way, I wanted to hear it. I didn't know if she knew that people were being jailed for claiming they don't have to pay and not paying (a particular case in particular) but her first emails back to me were along the lines of "Go **** yourself, b*****. Quit whining to me."

So I wrote her back again telling her I thought she was very unprofessional as I had been seeking information and wanted to hear her counterpoint. When someone treats me unprofessionally ANYwhere (gas station, restaurant, whatever) I believe in confronting them with it and not shrinking back and just taking it.

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yukon Banned 13 years ago

So you got the 1st email confirming the person on the other end was a loser, but you opted to reconfirm they're a loser? :confused:

The first email would have been more than enough for me. Delete.
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seasoned

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Marilynj55

I didn't just want to "get them stirred up." I actually thought it might be valid, as I have IRS problems myself, and if she knew a legit way, I wanted to hear it. I didn't know if she knew that people were being jailed for claiming they don't have to pay and not paying (a particular case in particular) but her first emails back to me were along the lines of "Go **** yourself, b*****. Quit whining to me."

So I wrote her back again telling her I thought she was very unprofessional as I had been seeking information and wanted to hear her counterpoint. When someone treats me unprofessionally ANYwhere (gas station, restaurant, whatever) I believe in confronting them with it and not shrinking back and just taking it.

The FTC and IRS, and I believe several other initials, would be interested in hearing about her! SERIOUSLY! The FTC could shut her down, and the IRS tax her to death and/or simply throw her in jail.

Steve

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lcombs

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Marilynj55

I didn't just want to "get them stirred up." I actually thought it might be valid, as I have IRS problems myself, and if she knew a legit way, I wanted to hear it. I didn't know if she knew that people were being jailed for claiming they don't have to pay and not paying (a particular case in particular) but her first emails back to me were along the lines of "Go **** yourself, b*****. Quit whining to me."

So I wrote her back again telling her I thought she was very unprofessional as I had been seeking information and wanted to hear her counterpoint. When someone treats me unprofessionally ANYwhere (gas station, restaurant, whatever) I believe in confronting them with it and not shrinking back and just taking it.

I used to be truck driver.
So let me tell you:
"When someone treats me unprofessionally ANYwhere (gas station, restaurant, whatever) I believe in confronting them with it and not shrinking back and just taking it."
I've been treated worse than unprofessional.
But, I learned very early on;
There's already one asshole in the room. Don't make it two.
"Sit back and take it"?
It's not a matter of "taking" anything.
It's a matter of behaving like an intelligent, civil human being.
You lower yourself to their level or, you can rise above.
As far as her turning you in to the IRS? That would GREAT publicity for her business, don't you think?

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Marilynj55

13 years ago

I kept my cool throughout and didn't sink to her level. While she was calling me a ****ing bitch, I wrote back with a level head, didn't lose my temper, let her show herself as the crude person she is. No way did I sink to her level. Not my style.

Originally Posted by lcombs

I used to be truck driver.
So let me tell you:
"When someone treats me unprofessionally ANYwhere (gas station, restaurant, whatever) I believe in confronting them with it and not shrinking back and just taking it."
I've been treated worse than unprofessional.
But, I learned very early on;
There's already one asshole in the room. Don't make it two.
"Sit back and take it"?
It's not a matter of "taking" anything.
It's a matter of behaving like an intelligent, civil human being.
You lower yourself to their level or, you can rise above.
As far as her turning you in to the IRS? That would GREAT publicity for her business, don't you think?

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Kay King

13 years ago

I kept my cool throughout and didn't sink to her level. While she was calling me a ****ing bitch, I wrote back with a level head, didn't lose my temper, let her show herself as the crude person she is. No way did I sink to her level. Not my style.

Not sure why you are so defensive - my opinion based on what I understood of the OP. It wasn't clear whether you were looking for such a service for personal use or simply saw the service and contacted them to challenge the legality.

I said 50% because it takes two people arguing for a disagreement to escalate.

I can understand asking if it's legal. When the initial response was rude and uncouth - why answer? You can't converse with someone with that mindset.

It's not about "shrinking" or sitting back and taking it. You pointed out a potential problem - she responded with a rude attack.

That could have been the end of it. Clearly, you wouldn't want to do any business with someone who would respond that way - so why keep engaging them? That was my point. You can't talk logic or facts with someone like that - so the best thing to do is go "wow, glad I didn't get into that mess" and walk away.

kay

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