Roswell UFO Hieroglyphs Decoded

14 years ago

Very interesting video. Why if this space craft crashed has the government always said there is nothing to it? I believe it was here.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Sue McDonald

Very interesting video. Why if this space craft crashed has the government always said there is nothing to it? I believe it was here.

There is tons of evidence I and others have collected that circumstantially proves the incident did happen.

I have about 10 affidavits from various respected individuals, who had to get it off their chests before they died.

Perhaps I'll share some of the info here from time to time.

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Kay King

14 years ago

There's ongoing conversation about that "area" and things that happened in the past....I'm a lot more curious to know what's going on there now. New buildings, top secret protection and a lot of the changes are fairly recent.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

There's ongoing conversation about that "area" and things that happened in the past....I'm a lot more curious to know what's going on there now. New buildings, top secret protection and a lot of the changes are fairly recent.

There is plenty happening today, but it is highly classified.

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myob 14 years ago

A fascinating book regarding this incident was published about three years ago: "Witness to Roswell: Unmasking the Government's Biggest Cover-up" by Thomas J. Carey et all. It talks about the duplicity of "witnesses" and the authors' embattlment in unraveling the multitude of phony confessions. It appears the government has been very successful at covering up what really has been going on by using misinformation, deceit, mystery and intrigue.
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

There's ongoing conversation about that "area" and things that happened in the past....I'm a lot more curious to know what's going on there now. New buildings, top secret protection and a lot of the changes are fairly recent.

Since 1947 and Roswell there have been many other documented UFO cases. They are documented every day by the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON). If you're interested in some current "documented cases" check out the nonprofit's site.

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tagiscom

14 years ago

Yep, compelling, but not really conclusive, (l mean that in a nice way, l believe that it happened).

A group recently went to the same area, and dug a trench, l think that it was about 10 meters, (YouTube it to see the video) and actually found some metallic, ultra lightweight, super strong material).

So, l suspect that unless tests show that we couldn't make this at present, it would show that it is more than likely it actually happened!

But NASA seems to be slowly, but surely disclosing the truth about Mars, so this incident should be brought out into the light soon!

Shane

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lastreporter

14 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

Yep, compelling, but not really conclusive, (l mean that in a nice way, l believe that it happened).

But NASA seems to be slowly, but surely disclosing the truth about Mars, so this incident should be brought out into the light soon!

Shane

Understand.

There is a lot of evidence that has been destroyed and gone missing. I have government documents from a Congressman from New Mexico who demanded answers. The General Accounting Office investigated and confirmed documents about the incident had been destroyed without going though proper channels.

I have all the documents. I post links to them sometime in the future.

NASA has had proof of organic life on Mars for several decades. I will share those documents soon. A top scientist with the current Mars program almost let the cat out of the bag a few weeks back, when talking off the record with a reporter. A few days later he retracted his off-the-cuff remarks.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by lastreporter

Understand.

There is a lot of evidence that has been destroyed and gone missing. I have government documents from a Congressman from New Mexico who demanded answers. The General Accounting Office investigated and confirmed documents about the incident had been destroyed without going though proper channels.

I have all the documents. I post links to them sometime in the future.

NASA has had proof of organic life on Mars for several decades. I will share those documents soon. A top scientist with the current Mars program almost let the cat out of the bag a few weeks back, when talking off the record with a reporter. A few days later he retracted his off-the-cuff remarks.

How did you obtain access to these documents? What is your involvement in all of this? Thanks.

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jimbo13

14 years ago

You would think that some of the aliens relatives or whatever they may be called would have come to look for them by now.

But they haven't.

Because...

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lastreporter

14 years ago

Originally Posted by jimbo13

You would think that some of the aliens relatives or whatever they may be called would have come to look for them by now.

But they haven't.

Because...

Dan

Assuming your question is serious, there are documented cases where a UFO has become disabled or crash landed and was rescued by another UFO. Look it up. One is a very famous and documented Canadian Case. It was documented by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. Look it up on the Internet. The Canadian Defence Dept. has declassified this and other cases. Also, check out your own declassified cases from the UK's Defence Dept. It's all there.

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Riptor

14 years ago

I believe that the Kecksburg UFO crash/retrieval in 1965 also had strange Hieroglyphics near the base of the object.

Kecksburg UFO Incident

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lastreporter 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Riptor

I believe that the Kecksburg UFO crash/retrieval in 1965 also had strange Hieroglyphics near the base of the object.

Kecksburg UFO Incident

It did indeed. And there are some witnesses who claim there was an alien pilot captured at the scene who make a "high-pitched screaming " sound when cornered.

In this case, a radio reporter was intimidated into not reporting his eyewitness quotes, and some allege the radio station was threatened with losing its license if it did.
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tagiscom

14 years ago

All good points. I believe there are many reasons they keep this concealed. You are correct, once revealed it's a new ballgame. When people realize they are not so unique, it has a tendency to shake up the status quo. Establishments, Churches and Governments are no longer the sole authorities. In fact, people will begin to doubt their validity.

It's a dangerous situation for the ruling class and the monetary system.

Yep, true, people, who's sole worth is based on systems that will get hammered by this sort of info, will have a hard time with this!

And no doubt the worst affected won't believe it and say it is fake and created at Universal Studios, etc...

But as said before, l received the info, about the microbe life on Mars announcement a few weeks ago, online. Which is likely to come true!

This source also says that 3 mile wide ships will hover above a certain number of capital cities, soon, (similar to "Independence day", but without the gloom and doom, part).

The authorities will try to pull the mass hallucinations, crap initially, but over the course of weeks, and months, it will become obvious they are the real thing!

We will finally get some real guidance, instead of the fear based guidance we mainly get!

And apparently some pretty cool high tech, gadgets that will clean up our planet. And finally get rid of oil dependance, etc.

No, doubt the Mars announcement, and further announcements, are well timed to coincide with all the other big events, that will appear in the near future!

Exciting times to say the least!

At least for some!

Shane

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lastreporter

14 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

We will finally get some real guidance, instead of the fear based guidance we mainly get!

And apparently some pretty cool high tech, gadgets that will clean up our planet. And finally get rid of oil dependance, etc.

Shane

I am not convinced the visitors or aliens are looking out for us. In fact, there is much evidence to the contrary.

Also, one of the fears of governments is the disorder sudden free energy would reek on mankind. If you think it through, you can begin to see it could collapse our current economic system.

This, I think, is the real reason world governments do not disclose what they know.

Also, I believe world governments also have reason to believe the "others" are not our friends but possibly conquerors.

Just my feel for the subject, not meant as disrespect to your take.

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tagiscom

14 years ago

I am not convinced the visitors or aliens are looking out for us. In fact, there is much evidence to the contrary.

Also, one of the fears of governments is the disorder sudden free energy would reek on mankind. If you think it through, you can begin to see it could collapse our current economic system.

This, I think, is the real reason world governments do not disclose what they know.

Also, I believe world governments also have reason to believe the "others" are not our friends but possibly conquerors.

Just my feel for the subject, not meant as disrespect to your take.

Hmmm, fair enough, but you have to remember that calling people insane for believing they saw a UFO, etc, was becoming less effective; So they started using fear instead!

When you do some digging online for UFO videos, etc it is inevitable you will find something seriously scary, and the inevitable this is the most credible evidence to date!

Crap!!!!

It is the scariest thing they could conjure up, to scare the population into not researching this subject!

I have also seen half a dozen UFO specials on tv, that are just propaganda to debunk UFO believers, as well as scare as many as possible!

But l do agree with you some aliens, are probably less evolved than most, and may do things we may find unsettling, but they don't have a problem with!

Bottom line is we would have been taken over a long time ago, if most life forms where like us, (or the military side of us).

Most would have destroyed themselves a long time ago, with our line of thinking.

You, know, we invade Syria, the Syrian leader backed into a corner, releases a long range nuclear weapon at New York. That causes great destruction, etc,The American president is also backed into a corner, and has to launch an all out nuclear attack, most likely using stealth aircraft.

Then some nuclear weapons miss their target or the wind suddenly changes direction and the highly radio active dust cloud falls on a capital city in a neighboring, neutral country, etc, etc, etc.

Only a matter of time and the whole shooting match starts up!

I think that it is inevitable that they will step in, but in a nice way, not in a military way!

This, I think, is the real reason world governments do not disclose what they know.

Also, I believe world governments also have reason to believe the "others" are not our friends but possibly conquerors.

True there are a couple of free energy systems that actually work, on the planet at present. And all are dismissed by energy corporations, or suppressed if pursued, etc. Probably for the reasons you gave!

Clearly if they step in, they will have to dismantle our entire global economic, etc structure!

Yeah, l know about the we think, they are our enemies talk! Reagan may have started the Star Wars" program, to act as a first line of defense against alien attacks! And probably atomic weapons?

But seriously, unless we manage to get our hands on some high tech, weapons, ourselves, (yeah, l know about the crystal weapon, etc, found in Egypt) then it is a bit like Avatar bow and arrow against missile, etc!

So, l know negative influences exist, but tend to go with the concept of a very advanced culture also has a very advanced understanding of everything!

Shane :p

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lastreporter 14 years ago

Originally Posted by thunderbird

How did you obtain access to these documents? What is your involvement in all of this? Thanks.

I am a former DC news reporter. The subject has always been an interest of mine.

I got the info using the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests. Some were already declassified. I spent hours going through archives and 50 years of major newspaper clippings.

I have written several small books on this and other UFO subjects.

Here's an excerpt from one of my books:

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"A declassified General Accounting Office (GAO) report requested by the late New Mexico Rep. Steven H. Schiff discovered that some of the records documenting the crash of a "flying disc" near Roswell New Mexico on or about July 7 were destroyed by the Army without properly listing who authorized their destruction.

Remember, the GAO is an independent accounting and investigative U.S. government agency that works for Congress to ferret out the truth on any given subject.

In the copy of the July 28, 1995 GAO report, the Roswell mystery is compounded by what could at the very least be considered a breach of Army protocol to at very worst --evidence of a blatant cover up."

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All of the info is public record. I believe you can get a copy by visiting the University of New Mexico. The university even holds some Schiff's original papers. Do a search on this deceased Congressman and you will find out more.

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Dazen

14 years ago

Embed the video is easy, click the share > embed
A code in iframe will show, copy it to your blog

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lastreporter 14 years ago

No, I meant sharing it here. I don't think I am able.
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thunderbird

14 years ago

Originally Posted by lastreporter

Here's a minute and half video I produced based on some research I have been doing on the Roswell UFO Crash of 1947.

If you're interested in the subject you might find it interesting.

I tried to embed the video, but couldn't.

Here's the link:

Roswell UFO Hieroglyphs Decoded

Roswell UFO Hieroglyphs Decoded - YouTube

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14 years ago

How did you embed the video? My Warrior Forum dashboard hows html being turned off. How do you turn it on?

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Riptor 14 years ago

The Roswell UFO incident happened after an intense period of UFO sightings in that area lasting for around 6 weeks. The official story has been changed at least 3 times. Bodies found at the site according to the Air Force was crash test dummies... errm well crash test dummies were not invented or used until the early 50's.

I have read and seen videos about numerous death bed confessions relating to the incident where the people concerned and their families were threatened with a one way trip into the desert if they spoke out.

According to Jesse Marcel and Jesse Marcel jnr the debris that was pictured in the official story was not the actual debris that was found at the crash site. So do i believe the official story? Nope!

Eli Benjamin (Roswell first-hand witness) -...
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by lastreporter

How did you embed the video? My Warrior Forum dashboard hows html being turned off. How do you turn it on?

You pasted in this [minus spaces that I added], which is somewhat encrypted:
http: // youtu.be/ 2VnmEiEQysU

What you need to paste in is something like this (if there is https with an s after http, take off the s):

http: // www youtube.com / watch?v= 2VnmEiEQysU

You can get such a link by searching youtube for the title of the same video:
"Roswell UFO Hieroglyphs Decoded"

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Riptor

14 years ago

I just found this too from July this year, Chase Brandon a 35 year CIA veteran says it really happened...

Roswell UFO Was Not Of This Earth And There Were ET Cadavers: Ex-CIA Agent Says

and then we have astronaut Edgar Mitchell the 6th man to walk on the moon with his Roswell statement.

Apollo 14 - Edgar Mitchell on Roswell and COMETA...

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Riptor

I just found this too from July this year, Chase Brandon a 35 year CIA veteran says it really happened...

Roswell UFO Was Not Of This Earth And There Were ET Cadavers: Ex-CIA Agent Says

Great link. I have run across numerous "credible" sources such as Brandon, who have essentially confirmed this.

One is a hand-written note by J. Edgar Hoover confirming a crashed flying disc. In it Hoover complains about the Army whisking it away before the FBI could take a look.

I'll post this note in the near future here.

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Riptor

14 years ago

Thanks lastreporter, as a side note you are probably aware why NASA do not or will not speak out on this subject. The reason being is because they don't have to. They have got it covered with the 'Brookings Institute Report'.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Riptor

Thanks lastreporter, as a side note you are probably aware why NASA do not or will not speak out on this subject. The reason being is because they don't have to. They have got it covered with the 'Brookings Institute Report'.

Moon Rising: "The Brookings Report" - YouTube

I totally agree with the report. The U.S. government and others have codified the coverup in the name of national defense or defence in the UK.

One of the recently declassified files from the UK Ministry of Defence had the son of a Winston Churchill bodyguard swear that his father witnessed Eisenhower and Churchill debate whether the existence of extraterrestrials should be shared with their people. Churchill was adamantly opposed saying it would destroy all the world's institutions. Eisenhower, supposedly wanted to share the the info, but finally saw it Churchill's way.

This was the beginning of a collusion to coverup the reality of alien visitors to our world and all of its implications.

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myob

14 years ago

According to highly authoritative sources, Eisenhower did meet with aliens in 1954 at secret locations including Holloman AFB, New Mexico. There were 'many witnesses'. The meetings were arranged by sending out telepathic messages. Picture of a real ET is included: Eisenhower had three secret meetings with aliens

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by myob

According to highly authoritative sources, Eisenhower did meet with aliens in 1954 at secret locations including Holloman Air Force base, and there were 'many witnesses'. The meetings were arranged by sending out telepathic messages. Picture of a real ET is included: Eisenhower had three secret meetings with aliens

I'd need a little more documentation to buy into that one.

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Riptor 14 years ago

Originally Posted by lastreporter

I'd need a little more documentation to buy into that one.

Well how about more information from Eisenhower's grand-daughter.

Interview w/ Laura M. Eisenhower - Mind Control,...
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Riptor

14 years ago

Originally Posted by myob

According to highly authoritative sources, Eisenhower did meet with aliens in 1954 at secret locations including Holloman AFB, New Mexico. There were 'many witnesses'. The meetings were arranged by sending out telepathic messages. Picture of a real ET is included: Eisenhower had three secret meetings with aliens

Yes I heard that one of the meetings was at Edwards Air Force base.

Research Study 8: Eisenhower's meeting with extraterrestrials

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Riptor

Yes I heard that one of the meetings was at Edwards Air Force base.

Research Study 8: Eisenhower's meeting with extraterrestrials

Problem I have here is it's only hearsay. No documentation and no corroboration. Certainly no affidavits .

While I can't proof it didn't happen and I have no problem with others believing it, I would need much more.

My own conclusions on alleged UFO and alien sighting cases are based on multiple documents, including government documents as well as credible eyewitnesses.

This why I personally put little stock in alien abduction cases, because the vast majority are single source cases. Just me. .

Like I said, others are free to believe as they wish.

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Riptor

14 years ago

I've not really done a lot of research regarding abduction cases, what i find the most fascinating is UFO cases involving pilot sightings where aircraft and men have been lost due to strange cases involving UFO's. Or pilots spotting UFO's during flights with backup evidence from ground radar pings, there are many cases.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Riptor

I've not really done a lot of research regarding abduction cases, what i find the most fascinating is UFO cases involving pilot sightings where aircraft and men have been lost due to strange cases involving UFO's. Or pilots spotting UFO's during flights with backup evidence from ground radar pings, there are many cases.

Those are always the best cases. They have credible eyewitnesses, the eyewitnesses are willing to go on record, most are corroborated and the best ones even have radar confirmation.

There are some like that for those seeking the truth. I have found dozens of such viable cases and have built an archive.

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myob

14 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

OK, my BS meter is getting pegged!

LOL!

Hey Steve, how about this:

In "The Reagan Diaries", by Ronald Reagan, the late US President discusses what was to him a very real threat; the possibility of an alien invasion from UFOs. He mentioned the possibility on several occasions, one of which was with then Russian leader Mikhail Gorbachev.

According to the book written by Reagan himself, this was part of the agenda with their first summit meeting on December 4, 1985, "...how easy his task and mine might be in these meetings that we held if suddenly there was a threat to this world from some other species from another planet."

Reagan quoted Gorbachev from a speech to the Kremlin on February 17, 1987, "... if the earth faced an invasion by extraterrestrials, the United States and the Soviet Union would join forces to repel such an invasion."

In his speech to the Forty-Second Session of the United Nations on September 21, 1987, the President said, "I ask is not an alien force already among us?"

Source: "The Reagan Diaries Unabridged: Volume 1: January 1981-October 1985 Volume 2: November 1985-January 1989" by Ronald Reagan edited by Douglas Brinkley

Also in "The Shocking Truth: Ronald Reagan's Obsession With An Alien Invasion" by A. Hovni, President Ronald Reagan reported two known personal UFO sightings. One of which caused he and his wife Nancy to arrive half an hour late to a dinner party. They were late because they spotted a UFO flying off the California coast and stopped to check it out.

Another incident occurred when the then Governor Reagan was flying with Bill Paynter, his pilot, who backed up Reagan's account of the story. They saw a white light flying in a zig-zag path from the airplane window and the Governor wanted to follow it.

The White House staff had quite a job on their hands protecting the President from embarrassing questions from the press about his favorite topics: Armageddon, UFOs, astrology and the ghost in the Lincoln bedroom.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by myob

LOL!

Hey Steve, how about this:

In "The Reagan Diaries", by Ronald Reagan, the late US President discusses what was to him a very real threat; the possibility of an alien invasion from UFOs. He mentioned the possibility on several occasions, one of which was with then Russian leader Mikhail Gorbachev.

According to the book written by Reagan himself, this was part of the agenda with their first summit meeting on December 4, 1985, "...how easy his task and mine might be in these meetings that we held if suddenly there was a threat to this world from some other species from another planet."

Reagan quoted Gorbachev from a speech to the Kremlin on February 17, 1987, "... if the earth faced an invasion by extraterrestrials, the United States and the Soviet Union would join forces to repel such an invasion."

In his speech to the Forty-Second Session of the United Nations on September 21, 1987, the President said, "I ask is not an alien force already among us?"

Source: "The Reagan Diaries Unabridged: Volume 1: January 1981-October 1985 Volume 2: November 1985-January 1989" by Ronald Reagan edited by Douglas Brinkley

Also in "The Shocking Truth: Ronald Reagan's Obsession With An Alien Invasion" by A. Hovni, President Ronald Reagan reported two known personal UFO sightings. One of which caused he and his wife Nancy to arrive half an hour late to a dinner party. They were late because they spotted a UFO flying off the California coast and stopped to check it out.

Another incident occurred when the then Governor Reagan was flying with Bill Paynter, his pilot, who backed up Reagan's account of the story. They saw a white light flying in a zig-zag path from the airplane window and the Governor wanted to follow it.

The White House staff had quite a job on their hands protecting the President from embarrassing questions from the press about his favorite topics: Armageddon, UFOs, astrology and the ghost in the Lincoln bedroom.

Well, I said my BS meter went off THERE! They tried to misuse buzz words, and that clearly says *********LIE**********! It is VERY rare that that isn't the case. That does NOT mean that aliens don't exist, or that the base story is fake. All it means is that someone tried to elaborate or take over the story and was an idiot hoping to get dumber people to believe THEIR version.

As for what you said reagan said, that does NOT indicate that reagan felt there was a real threat oir even a potential enemy. It shows that he at least wanted brainwashed people to have the hope that a common extraterrestrial foe would unite the two super powers. I tell you now that THAT is a DREAM!!!!!!!!!

The two countries have led their citizens to believe the other country is wholly evil. The US, at least, has led a campaign to discredit any belief in ETs.

The US has cultures that factions have led their members to believe that OTHERS are wholly evil.

So NOTHING will properly unite them. In fact, if ET attacked the US, many in some groups would loot stores. Much of that looting would HURT civilian attempts to try to defend against ETs. I think you can take that TO THE BANK!

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myob

14 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

The US, at least, has led a campaign to discredit any belief in ETs.

I don't know how you arrived at that conclusion. Despite the fact that close to 90% of UFO sightings are explained, the US has always had a vested interest in systematically blurring the "evidence" for UFOs as real.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by myob

I don't know how you arrived at that conclusion. Despite the fact that close to 90% of UFO sightings are explained, the US has always had a vested interest in systematically blurring the "evidence" for UFOs as real.

They have long treated people that claimed to see UFOs as IDIOTs. Thyey term UFO no longer implies U.F.O.s, but extraterrestrials. They had project Blue book that was to try to discredit things. If they could find something they thought was a viable explanation, they ran with it. If they REALLY tried to get to the truth, they would look for a REASON to believe that was the case, or consider it unexplained with a POSSIBLE cause.

And SURE, they BLUR things. But that is easy to do even while discrediting people. They, for example, claim that many past sighting have been of vehicles, like those seen in Area 51. Area 51 USED to be a DENIED mythical U.F.O. consipiracy/test/replication area. NOW, they say it DOES exist, but was to test terrestrially developed devices. AGAIN though, they earlier used this to DISCREDIT people.

And I guess that is a reason to discredit. If people believed them, they might do what they later did, and try to watch area 51. If you are caught doing so NOW, you can be SHOT!

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by myob

I don't know how you arrived at that conclusion. Despite the fact that close to 90% of UFO sightings are explained, the US has always had a vested interest in systematically blurring the "evidence" for UFOs as real.

Uh huh....cheap entertainment for the "spinners"...

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tagiscom

14 years ago

So NOTHING will properly unite them. In fact, if ET attacked the US, many in some groups would loot stores. Much of that looting would HURT civilian attempts to try to defend against ETs. I think you can take that TO THE BANK!

Steve

In all honesty there wouldn't even be a war with aliens!

In Sci-Fi movies there is always something we can do to win!

But in all honesty a race that is 10,000 years ahead of us, would be so advanced they could literally make all armies unconscious!

Then take away the weapons, and lock them up, etc!

If it was an all out invasion, the best we could do is either give up or destroy the planet as much as possible so they wouldn't want to invade, but fighting with impressive sticks and stones against mind weapons, etc, is a waste of time!

Developing defenses against that, and automating atomic weapons, is probably all we could do!

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Kay King

14 years ago

We always assume any species that could travel here would automatically be so far ahead of us in development...but what if that weren't true?

What if in another place the focus was on space travel rather than social issues, war and all the other points of interest (and spending) we've always had? What if their planet was so bad the entire species was focused on finding a better place to live?

What if the technology was seriously advanced - but aliens had no experience in all the other traumas and dramas and social issues we focus on?

I've always thought any race smart enough to get here would have a method to converse with us. It's human to assume "invasion" (mainly thanks to Hollywood) but why? Why not a friendly contact? I hope if and when it happens people on earth will have enough sense to wait and see before they start playing star wars. That last may be asking too much, though.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

We always assume any species that could travel here would automatically be so far ahead of us in development...but what if that weren't true?

What if in another place the focus was on space travel rather than social issues, war and all the other points of interest (and spending) we've always had? What if their planet was so bad the entire species was focused on finding a better place to live?

What if the technology was seriously advanced - but aliens had no experience in all the other traumas and dramas and social issues we focus on?

I've always thought any race smart enough to get here would have a method to converse with us. It's human to assume "invasion" (mainly thanks to Hollywood) but why? Why not a friendly contact? I hope if and when it happens people on earth will have enough sense to wait and see before they start playing star wars. That last may be asking too much, though.

Definitely an interesting premise. I like it.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

We always assume any species that could travel here would automatically be so far ahead of us in development...but what if that weren't true?

What if in another place the focus was on space travel rather than social issues, war and all the other points of interest (and spending) we've always had? What if their planet was so bad the entire species was focused on finding a better place to live?

What if the technology was seriously advanced - but aliens had no experience in all the other traumas and dramas and social issues we focus on?

I've always thought any race smart enough to get here would have a method to converse with us. It's human to assume "invasion" (mainly thanks to Hollywood) but why? Why not a friendly contact? I hope if and when it happens people on earth will have enough sense to wait and see before they start playing star wars. That last may be asking too much, though.

SO many claim that humans would fire the first bullet. That may be true. WHO KNOWS? as for communicating with us? HUMANS never found a way, so how would aliens have a way? Humans have to struggle. You know how many BILLIONS must be spent just to communicate? INCREDIBLE! Maybe half the people on this system struggled to learn english to communicate. For every 1 that succeeded, I bet 4 FAILED!

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Daniel Evans

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

I've always thought any race smart enough to get here would have a method to converse with us. It's human to assume "invasion" (mainly thanks to Hollywood) but why? Why not a friendly contact?

Maybe unless we demonstrate that we are at least advanced enough to employ a certain method (or methods) of communication technology we perhaps aren't a worthy enough to even consider amalgamating with.

For the time being, we're stuck with playing with radio waves, doing what we've always done, getting what we've always got....

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Ian Jackson

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

We always assume any species that could travel here would automatically be so far ahead of us in development...but what if that weren't true?

What if in another place the focus was on space travel rather than social issues, war and all the other points of interest (and spending) we've always had? What if their planet was so bad the entire species was focused on finding a better place to live?

What if the technology was seriously advanced - but aliens had no experience in all the other traumas and dramas and social issues we focus on?

I've always thought any race smart enough to get here would have a method to converse with us. It's human to assume "invasion" (mainly thanks to Hollywood) but why? Why not a friendly contact? I hope if and when it happens people on earth will have enough sense to wait and see before they start playing star wars. That last may be asking too much, though.

Some good points Kay. You make an interesting point about communication... "I've always thought any race smart enough to get here would have a method to converse with us"; I asked the same question to my late Father some years ago, to which he responded - "have you every tried to communicate with an earthworm or an ant?"

Excellent discussion. For me, it's quite a simple slant; to believe that there's no other life form (more/less intelligent than us), in an INFINITE Universe, is just being naive.

Nick's book title says it all...

Open Skies, Closed Minds: Official Reactions to...

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tagiscom

14 years ago

Think about it this way: an intersteller propulsion breakthrough happens tomorrow... a practical demonstration happens in 2 or 3 years from now... the international community pours hundreds of billions into a manned intersteller spacecraft project (which, if nothing else, would certainly reinvigorate the global economy

)... that spacecraft arrives at a nearby star system 10 or 15 years from now, and makes contact with an intelligent alien species there. Those "human aliens" might be awe inspiring to the inhabitants of the planet they arrive at... yet, they are only a decade or two ahead of where we are right now.

10 or 15 years? Most likely a couple of weeks!!! :rolleyes:

How NASA might build its very first warp drive

If we get this working we could visit most of the nearest Earth type planets in a couple of months!

Or send probes to the nearest Earth type planets, see whats there and come back!

But using Star Trek as an example, some intelligent races would be way ahead, some maybe 50 years ahead, and some behind!

People have reported a space, time warp near the Bermuda Triangle, when lighting storms were present. Or a light plane went through a tunnel and arrived, at there destination much sooner than they should. This has been well documented.

But since NASA, and most scientists thought that a space, time warp would require insane amounts of energy, it was dismissed.

But as the above link shows, there are ways around it!

So, a relatively military, backward society, (like ours) gets this to work it will open up most of the Galaxy for us to use in a good or bad way!

Also opens up a large amount of issues, what happens if a manned mission to a nearby, habitable planet, comes back with samples?

And a new vigilant microbe, gets out!!!!

Or we find a planet with dinosaurs on it, should we bring back some eggs, and put them on an island, (spare no expense)?

Or the military find a species of animals that are as tough as nails, bring it back and fool around with it's DNA, etc!

We may be playing with fire!

So, some races who visit us, may only be 10 years ahead of us, but of course some will be considerably more!

And the ones that are considerably more, will l believe have to step in if we get this working!

Can't have an intergalactic loose cannon, with an unwritten rule book!

Shane

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

10 or 15 years? Most likely a couple of weeks!!! :rolleyes:

How NASA might build its very first warp drive

If we get this working we could visit most of the nearest Earth type planets in a couple of months!

If by warp, you mean high speed, like STAR trek until SOME ships on DS9. we are likely hundreds of years away from developing a viable system. We have to come up with a power source. Current power would then be WORSE than a lemon and two coins NOW! And computers? Current computers would be worse than a retarded person doing calculus. Just THINK! By the time the computer was ready for a key stroke, or accessed the Disk I/O circuitry, the spacecraft would ALREADY have gone about 5996KM at warp ONE!!!!!!!! Of course, it probably would take an eternity, because the spacecraft would probably DISINTEGRATE! GRANTED, we could maybe get it to go say 5 times as fast. That means NO real mass storage or manual interface. Of course, manual would mean preplanning which opens SO much more up.

Just look at cars now. THINK about it! The faster you go, the further you have to look down the street, etc... And the average car can't even handle a collision of more than 5mph! Go faster than that, and you are likely to have to repair the car.

Steve

Or send probes to the nearest Earth type planets, see whats there and come back!

That's ANOTHER thing! No real radio. Would radio work AT ALL at warp speed? I doubt it.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

10 or 15 years? Most likely a couple of weeks!!!

I know; I meant the time frame between discovery of whatever new technology is required and when a ship is ready to fly, assuming gazillions of dollars/euros/pounds/yen and whatever else you like are poured into it.

Originally Posted by tagiscom

So, a relatively military, backward society, (like ours) gets this to work it will open up most of the Galaxy for us to use in a good or bad way!

Also opens up a large amount of issues, what happens if a manned mission to a nearby, habitable planet, comes back with samples?

And a new vigilant microbe, gets out!!!!

Or we find a planet with dinosaurs on it, should we bring back some eggs, and put them on an island, (spare no expense)?

Or the military find a species of animals that are as tough as nails, bring it back and fool around with it's DNA, etc!

We may be playing with fire!

Technology aside, stuff like that is the real reason we probably aren't ready (as a species) for intersteller travel. For any one nation, or even group of nations, to take unilateral actions that could endanger all of humanity could hardly be deemed acceptable. Protecting the planet from any possible threats that may result would need a global solution, and by that, I mean everybody - all nations, regardless of political differences.

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digitaldesign6

14 years ago

Cool video

this one is quite good as well,

Ancient Aliens : The Roswell UFO Crash 1947 - YouTube

Eventhough there are disc shaped military planes that could have been mistaken for ufo's, I definitely think they are covering up a lot of things they don't want the main puplic to know..

Even the pope has recently admited that we might not be the only advanced race out there.. haha

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tagiscom

14 years ago

I've always thought any race smart enough to get here would have a method to converse with us. It's human to assume "invasion" (mainly thanks to Hollywood) but why? Why not a friendly contact? I hope if and when it happens people on earth will have enough sense to wait and see before they start playing star wars. That last may be asking too much, though.

I suspect that, all the most advanced races, (10,000+ years ahead) would pool their resources together and form a sort of galactic UN.

So, races that harmed other less developed races, because they didn't realize it was harmful, etc, would be given a set of guidelines!

After all if one race is a 100,000 years or a million years ahead of most, they are pretty much at or past Q level, (Star Trek).

Bottom line if races that were 1000 years ahead of us, but were outcasts from the galactic UN, tried to pick a fight, when races that are way ahead of them would step in!

Otherwise we would have been taken over 1000,s of years ago!

They probably would have thousands of years to plan it out or give it a try!

So, yes, first contact will be peaceful, although the powers that be, will probably be scared to death!

Shane

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

I suspect that, all the most advanced races, (10,000+ years ahead) would pool their resources together and form a sort of galactic UN.

So, races that harmed other less developed races, because they didn't realize it was harmful, etc, would be given a set of guidelines!

After all if one race is a 100,000 years or a million years ahead of most, they are pretty much at or past Q level, (Star Trek).

Bottom line if races that were 1000 years ahead of us, but were outcasts from the galactic UN, tried to pick a fight, when races that are way ahead of them would step in!

Otherwise we would have been taken over 1000,s of years ago!

They probably would have thousands of years to plan it out or give it a try!

So, yes, first contact will be peaceful, although the powers that be, will probably be scared to death!

Shane

Once you pass a certain point, technology wouldn't mean that much. The Q, in star trek, and ancients/ory(sp?) in Star gate, illustrate the problem. For them to be so INCREDIBLY powerful, etc.... THEY THEMSELVES changed.

In both cases, they surpassed any needs. Still, Q(the one annoying picard) harrassed and played pranks. On the CLASSIC star trek, one civilization created a planet that played pranks on them, in a way, for entertainment. On star gate, the ORY harassed and oppressed.

As for a gallactic UN, I would never trust such a beast. The UN here is crooked to the core. Even on star trek, there are about a dozen or so conspiracies the "federation" had!

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myob

14 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

As for a gallactic UN, I would never trust such a beast. The UN here is crooked to the core. Even on star trek, there are about a dozen or so conspiracies the "federation" had!

Conspiracies seem to be more common within our own galaxy.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by myob

I don't know how you arrived at that conclusion. Despite the fact that close to 90% of UFO sightings are explained, the US has always had a vested interest in systematically blurring the "evidence" for UFOs as real.

Originally Posted by Dave Patterson

Uh huh....cheap entertainment for the "spinners"...

My point is that this self-perpetuating hoax, begun during the Cold War, is perhaps the most successful coverup of advanced aeronautical and military research. Despite the fact that there is no real or convincing evidence that ET has landed, wild imaginations persistently interdict more plausible explanations. The hoax continues extremely well, because the popular knee-jerk default answer for the unknown is "out there". :rolleyes:

But books, telescopes, "authentic" documents, etc have always been very popular within this very lucrative niche. And if you tie it in with the end of the world, Mayan calendar (oops - expired

), UFO kidnapping, Area 51 snooping, other government coverups, and selected conspiracies, you've got a winning combination!

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Yes I heard that one of the meetings was at Edwards Air Force base.

Research Study 8: Eisenhower's meeting with extraterrestrials

OK, my BS meter is getting pegged! I don't even know if I should bother reading more. This says, in part, that they arranged things using "the computer binary language".

There has ******NEVER****** been, and will never be, a "the computer binary language"! Binary refers to using effectively a row of switches. Each is on(>2.5v) or off(<2.5v). So on, off, on, off seems kind of senseless. In binary it would be 1010 which in decimal is 8+2 or 10. But there is NO way to convey the alpabet or special characters. IBM came up with the holerith and EBCDIC code. 40= a SPACE! Most others used ASCII 32=a SPACE! 40=@, BTW. It conveys a language no more than the first calculator did.

And so how do you convey commands in a computer? Well, IBM has several ways. Dec had several ways. INTEL has several ways, Motorola has others, ARM has others, etc..... EVEN our idea of longtitude and latitude is used in varous ways and is based on someone finding a pattern and numbering it in a given way.

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Banned 14 years ago

Get on Google maps satellite view & you can check it out.

Also check out the craters to the southwest of Area51, looks like a huge bombing range.

This crater is huge. Some history on the crater.

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tagiscom

14 years ago

Understand.

There is a lot of evidence that has been destroyed and gone missing. I have government documents from a Congressman from New Mexico who demanded answers. The General Accounting Office investigated and confirmed documents about the incident had been destroyed without going though proper channels.

I have all the documents. I post links to them sometime in the future.

NASA has had proof of organic life on Mars for several decades. I will share those documents soon. A top scientist with the current Mars program almost let the cat out of the bag a few weeks back, when talking off the record with a reporter. A few days later he retracted his off-the-cuff remarks.

Yep, l know since Viking when all the cover up crap started around, Mars real colour, etc, and the true colour showing green algae on the rocks, etc!

As l have shown, (Curiosity stealth thread) some scientists are tired of this coverup, and tend to drop the truth now and then!

But from what l have heard they will be announcing the truth about microbes in the soil soon!

Probably because they don't have a choice, if the giant UFO,s hovering over some capital city's story is true?

But they are releasing it as tentatively as possible, most likely to see how the population reacts. Probably a good idea.

I am sure if they showed some very advanced martian ruins, it would shock the population! It could even create wide spread panic, riots, etc! Especially among the percentage that want to stay comfortable or are know it all,s (don't believe in UFO,s).

They will be the ones that will be shocked the most!

So, small, easy to handle disclosure is probably the best way to get to the really serious stuff, but l hope that they don't take too long!

Shane

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

Yep, l know since Viking when all the cover up crap started around, Mars real colour, etc, and the true colour showing green algae on the rocks, etc!

As l have shown, (Curiosity stealth thread) some scientists are tired of this coverup, and tend to drop the truth now and then!

But from what l have heard they will be announcing the truth about microbes in the soil soon!

Probably because they don't have a choice, if the giant UFO,s hovering over some capital city's story isn't true?

But they are releasing it as tentatively as possible, most likely to see how the population reacts. Probably a good idea.

I am sure if they showed some very advanced martian ruins, it would shock the population! It could even create wide spread panic, riots, etc! Especially among the percentage that want to stay comfortable or are know it all,s (don't believe in UFO,s).

They will be the ones that will be shocked the most!

So, small, easy to handle disclosure is probably the best way to get to the really serious stuff, but l hope that they don't take too long!

Shane

All good points. I believe there are many reasons they keep this concealed. You are correct, once revealed it's a new ballgame. When people realize they are not so unique, it has a tendency to shake up the status quo. Establishments, Churches and Governments are no longer the sole authorities. In fact, people will begin to doubt their validity.

It's a dangerous situation for the ruling class and the monetary system.

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14 years ago

Well, from what people here on earth have said, any beings are likely to be animal. Insects have a few problems, and can you imagine some photosensitive creature trying to move about? And if it is so good about flying about, etc... it is probably capable opf bipedal movement. It would have thumbs and fingers. Granted, that provides for a lot of variation, but it does make you think that they may seem kind of human. Who knows, MAYBE, like many shows have theorized, they ARE human.

Of course, according to reports, those flying the roswell craft likely weren't human, though they WERE "humanoid". As for the incident, it happened! Someone, in the military, actually went public and said so. They just later changed their story.

A few decades later, they said that someone confused an event that happened around 1954(They were trying to see how small purple migit manikens would fair with a certain type of parachute, IIRC) with one that happened in 1947(The roswell incident) and reported it in the late 40s. YEP, read that again and try to determine all the reasons I believe that story is just some made up fairy tale!

I can't see HOW their story could be true. WHY would they attempt that? But they faked it for a very good reason. They had an explanation for roswell that they thought was feasible, but couldn't explain the bodies people saw. The later incident explained the bodies. But HOW many people do YOU know in the military that are midgits, an odd color, and manikens? WHY would the color matter? And midgets usually have a problem that would AUTOMATICALLY exclude them from the military. And manikens won't move like humans, so it is not a good test.

In trying to look this up, a slightly different story came up, but it is STILL odd!

Air Force: Dummies, not aliens in Roswell 50 years ago 062597 - The Augusta Chronicle

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14 years ago

Wasn't the hieroglyphs symbols on a kid's tape that the military used on the weather balloon to make it stronger? And then it bursted and crashed on the ground?

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by taskemann

Wasn't the hieroglyphs symbols on a kid's tape that the military used on the weather balloon to make it stronger? And then it bursted and crashed on the ground?

That's one of the three or four cover stories proffered by the U.S. government. Not too many buy them, however. But some do.

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14 years ago

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Wasn't the hieroglyphs symbols on a kid's tape that the military used on the weather balloon to make it stronger? And then it bursted and crashed on the ground?

That would have been like the 5th version of the story. LONG after the original one. The hieroglyphs were said to be on a beam type piece that was of a special memory material not seen before. TODAY, one might say it is the flex material that they make some eyeglass frames out of. Light, strong, easily bent, but pops back into its original shape. NO tape I have ever seem is like that, and what use would it have? ALSO, tape is generally sticky or adhered to something and neither characteristic has ever been mentioned.

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Daniel Evans

14 years ago

Originally Posted by lastreporter

Here's a minute and half video I produced based on some research I have been doing on the Roswell UFO Crash of 1947.

If you're interested in the subject you might find it interesting.

I tried to embed the video, but couldn't.

Here's the link:

Roswell UFO Hieroglyphs Decoded

In fairness, you haven't decoded, only potentially exposed a system which requires decoding.

Very interesting nonetheless!

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Daniel Evans

In fairness, you haven't decoded, only potentially exposed a system which requires decoding.

Very interesting nonetheless!

Point will taken. Thanks.

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tagiscom

14 years ago

Once you pass a certain point, technology wouldn't mean that much. The Q, in star trek, and ancients/ory(sp?) in Star gate, illustrate the problem. For them to be so INCREDIBLY powerful, etc.... THEY THEMSELVES changed.

In both cases, they surpassed any needs. Still, Q(the one annoying picard) harrassed and played pranks. On the CLASSIC star trek, one civilization created a planet that played pranks on them, in a way, for entertainment. On star gate, the ORY harassed and oppressed.

As for a gallactic UN, I would never trust such a beast. The UN here is crooked to the core. Even on star trek, there are about a dozen or so conspiracies the "federation" had!

Steve

Yep, good point, the "power corrupts", quote is appropriate here, but an intergalactic UN, wouldn't be a joke like ours!

Remember a very advanced race would, without getting into religion, would understand everything! So, for that reason, a bored entity harassing other species, could happen, but probably wouldn't!

Or the G-UN, would probably work, it all comes down to mindset, etc.

But l don't really buy the live forever, bored S*** concept, a painter that could live forever, would never be able to paint everything he wanted to paint. And would because of the number of colours and combinations, would be painting til the end of time!

So, the Q idea is entertaining, but l don't know how realistic it is!

From what l have heard society goes from developing weapons, etc that use subspace energy or unlimited energy, to Q level.

Once a civilization gets to the unlimited energy level, then it gets really scary! Or that civilization gets to Terraforming in a short period of time or destroying a planet, or even creating one, from asteroids, etc!

The more advanced a civilization the more enlightened their thinking needs to become, or there civilization won't last long!

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Thomas 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

We always assume any species that could travel here would automatically be so far ahead of us in development...but what if that weren't true?

It probably/possibly wouldn't be true: with the sole exception of a viable means of propulasion, human technology is already capable of building an interstellar spacecraft, time and money notwithstanding. It just wouldn't go anywhere...yet.

But finding a way to send spacecraft from one star to another in a reasonable amount of time is being worked on by dozens (maybe more) of research institutions and organisations across the world (and has been for quite a while). And a solution probably isn't as far into the future as you might think, so it's conceivable that any ETs visiting Earth may actually be no more than a century ahead of us technologically... perhaps even much less than that.

Think about it this way: an intersteller propulsion breakthrough happens tomorrow... a practical demonstration happens in 2 or 3 years from now... the international community pours hundreds of billions into a manned intersteller spacecraft project (which, if nothing else, would certainly reinvigorate the global economy )... that spacecraft arrives at a nearby star system 10 or 15 years from now, and makes contact with an intelligent alien species there. Those "human aliens" might be awe inspiring to the inhabitants of the planet they arrive at... yet, they are only a decade or two ahead of where we are right now.

All the stuff you hear about any species capable of travelling the vast distances between the stars being, by definition, centuries, if not millenia, ahead of humans is nonsense.

Originally Posted by Kay King

Why not a friendly contact?

Because it's not what we would do, and it isn't what more technologically advanced human cultures have done to less advanced human cultures from the dawn of civilisation, right up to the present day.

So far, we have only our own nature and history to go on, and that says invasion... war... enslavement... annihilation... all that good stuff.

Now that I think of it, God help any aliens for whom we are the visiting ETs!
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14 years ago

Besides, if they have ships that can go at warp, why don't they use some of the technology, and why do they seem so secretive about some basic supersonic speeds? Just think of all the little things they have to think about.

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tagiscom

14 years ago

If by warp, you mean high speed, like STAR trek until SOME ships on DS9. we are likely hundreds of years away from developing a viable system. We have to come up with a power source. Current power would then be WORSE than a lemon and two coins NOW! And computers? Current computers would be worse than a retarded person doing calculus. Just THINK! By the time the computer was ready for a key stroke, or accessed the Disk I/O circuitry, the spacecraft would ALREADY have gone about 5996KM at warp ONE!!!!!!!! Of course, it probably would take an eternity, because the spacecraft would probably DISINTEGRATE! GRANTED, we could maybe get it to go say 5 times as fast. That means NO real mass storage or manual interface. Of course, manual would mean preplanning which opens SO much more up.

Just look at cars now. THINK about it! The faster you go, the further you have to look down the street, etc... And the average car can't even handle a collision of more than 5mph! Go faster than that, and you are likely to have to repair the car.

Steve

Hmmm, true, the ship would be toast if it found something in front of it! But as the scientist has shown they may be ways around this as well?

Maybe map out a couple of million k, and warp that, etc!

Not sure if inertia would be an issue, from what l have read the ship doesn't move, only the surrounding space?

That's ANOTHER thing! No real radio. Would radio work AT ALL at warp speed? I doubt it.

Steve

No, l didn't mention radio. We would launch a probe at a star system. It would arrive a few weeks later, spend a couple of months mapping out the system, taking pic, etc, then come back!

Obviously if it comes back and malfunctions and slams into the Earth at a Billion km,s a second, it wouldn't be pretty!

The scientist also said it would use less power than what Voyager used, which is 16 Terawatts a second!

Or 1,600 hundred pounds, (whatever that is?)

Ok, maybe we won't go to Alpha Centauri initially, but Mars in a couple of hours, wouldn't be a bad start!

Besides, if they have ships that can go at warp, why don't they use some of the technology, and why do they seem so secretive about some basic supersonic speeds? Just think of all the little things they have to think about.

Well, up til recently they thought that it wasn't viable because of the power required. But now they are more keen on it!

Hopefully they won't bury any advances made, but we will have to wait and see?

Shane

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14 years ago

It's odd that in court of law a person could be convicted of a crime on much less evidence than what is shown concerning UFOs.
If 5 people say 'Joe Blow' robbed the bank, then, Joe Blow is going to prison.
1,000s of UFO sightings are reported every year along with photographs, and videos,
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Dennis Gaskill

14 years ago

Originally Posted by lcombs

It's odd that in court of law a person could be convicted of a crime on much less evidence than what is shown concerning UFOs.
If 5 people say 'Joe Blow' robbed the bank, then, Joe Blow is going to prison.
1,000s of UFO sightings are reported every year along with photographs, and videos,
but people still doubt.

The difference is, Joe Blow is identifiable and can be located. UFO's are, by definition, unidentified. When you can take me to a location and say, there, that's a UFO, I'll believe it.

Note that I'm not closed-minded about the subject, I just haven't seen any evidence convincing enough to sway me from the "undecided" column.

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tagiscom

14 years ago

The difference is, Joe Blow is identifiable and can be located. UFO's are, by definition, unidentified. When you can take me to a location and say, there, that's a UFO, I'll believe it.

Note that I'm not closed-minded about the subject, I just haven't seen any evidence convincing enough to sway me from the "undecided" column.

Hmmm, if you go to Antarctica, and a massive cave system you should find some there!

The Nazis did during WW2!

Or just go near the Arctic, and throw charges around the ocean until something interesting emerges. Americans had one or two UFO,s emerge from the ocean around that area, and some scraped some of their warships, during war manevures in 1952, if l remember correctly!

And they are still there!

Two of the best places to find the real thing, not taking into account the moon, mars, etc!

Shane

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