Who is more selfish Rich people or Poor people?

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It is becoming more and more evident that the poor and middle class are just as if not more selfish than rich people. If you are marketing to a middle class or poor person it takes uncanny/extraordinary value to get even a few cents of them. Then if they do budge and pay only like 5 bucks they act like they own YOU!!! That complain and make you have to move mountains, reorder stars, and kiss their feet in order to make them happy. Consumers suck all the way across the board, everybody on internet wants stuff for free and they are completely lazy. Even worse they think everything is a scam!

Ranting I know but I haven't made a penny in months, I don't have a job, and I'm trying to make something happen but even when stuff should work these consumers aren't trying to pay anything.
#people #poor #rich #selfish
  • Profile picture of the author Adaptive
    I don't understand how this topic relates to Internet Marketing. Can someone please move it to the Off Topic Forum?

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  • Profile picture of the author Hililuud
    And...And...You have to write a BOOK in order to get any kind of traffic. 300 articles is a decent sized book! That is alot of value you have to bring in order to see any green at all!
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    • Profile picture of the author candoit2
      You have the wrong attitude for this, you should give up.

      You have so little respect for your prospects and people in general both rich and poor, it cannot help but show through in all aspects of your business from your marketing, offer and follow up.

      You will never see any improvement no matter what you do because of your own mindset IMO.
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      • Profile picture of the author Hililuud
        Originally Posted by AaronJones View Post

        You have the wrong attitude for this, you should give up.

        You have so little respect for your prospects and people in general both rich and poor, it cannot help but show through in all aspects of your business from your marketing, offer and follow up.

        You will never see any improvement no matter what you do because of your own mindset IMO.
        LOL it is open season...

        Well I kind of knew some people would act like this, its typical for people to not like or attack a person who is talking about people like how I just did...I think when someone reads something like this they feel like you are talking about them.

        But nobody can deny the truth in what I'm saying, so don't try to attack me for it, its just another opinion.
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        • Profile picture of the author candoit2
          Originally Posted by Hililuud View Post

          LOL it is open season...

          Well I kind of knew some people would act like this, its typical for people to not like or attack a person who is talking about people like how I just did...I think when someone reads something like this they feel like you are talking about them.

          But nobody can deny the truth in what I'm saying, so don't try to attack me for it, its just another opinion.
          You say you expected people to act a certain way to your post, and you feel attacked instead of given good advice. That just confirms I said the right thing to you. You are not ready to succeed yet.

          You feel I don't like you, yet the truth is I have no hard feelings towards you. You could look at it as I like you enough to try to help.(I see my old self in your post and recognize your complaints)

          There is always going to be things to complain about in anything you do or in any of your relationships with others.

          Just find the one thing about another person, or situation you can appreciate and cling to it like your life depends on it and ignore the rest.

          Focus on that positive and don't dwell on all the other things you don't like. Your attitude and the responses to you and what you are doing will improve.

          Sometimes the best thing to do is give up and step back to put things in perspective and then start over fresh IMO.

          Good luck to you, overcoming ourselves is the biggest obstacle in succeeding for many.

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      • Profile picture of the author Chris Lockwood
        Originally Posted by AaronJones View Post

        You have the wrong attitude for this, you should give up.
        Agreed. My niche stuff is still selling, and though I don't ask customers about their income, I'm pretty sure most of them are middle class.

        Plus, trying to save money is not selfish. The first post almost makes it sound like it's their duty to buy your products so you can make money.

        As far as selfishness goes, it's an individual trait, like any other, not a group one that you can just slap on a whole category of people like "rich" or "poor".
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  • Profile picture of the author Adaptive
    From some Social Human Behavior site or other:

    This person starts to suck the fun/love/value out of everything, trying to fill the whole that they believe they have in their heart. That person needs to heal before he or she can succeed.
    Anyway, can this thread please get moved or deleted?

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  • Profile picture of the author n00b
    I have sold products that range in price from $37 up to $2,000. To this day I have not gotten a single complaint, headache, or runaround from any of my customers that have bought closer to the $2,000 end. Sell something to someone for $37 though and it is more headache than it's worth. I have noticed that higher ticket items are just as easy to sell and involve a lot less headaches. I have even noticed that some of the gurus preach the same thing, higher ticket customers are less of a pain. Ever since I've been in sales, whether direct sales or internet marketing, this has always held true.
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  • Profile picture of the author valerieSONORA
    So market to the rich. Or the Army is hiring.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hililuud
    People are selfish in general, I need internalize that. I need to bring alot more value than what I have been bringing, becoming as selfless as possible, I won't expect anyone to be reasonable anymore (a little self pep talk).
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  • Profile picture of the author nicholasb
    it is my experience in life that rich people are greedy and selfish, and poor people would give you their last loaf of bread..

    I think it is because poor people understand what it is like not to have anything
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim Whiston
    Originally Posted by Hililuud View Post

    It is becoming more and more evident that the poor and middle class are just as if not more selfish than rich people.
    I don't buy the idea that rich people are generally selfish. If you're talking about the elitist 1% who own most of the planet then yeah ok they're pretty selfish, but many wealthy people are generous and giving individuals.

    I believe the poor in a developed society are clearly more selfish as a group because they're constantly worried about scarcity and lack. I'm not saying everyone fits this mold but most people I know who are poor are also pretty negative and scarcity minded folks who seldom give.
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    • Profile picture of the author Hililuud
      Originally Posted by Tim Whiston View Post

      I don't buy the idea that rich people are generally selfish. If you're talking about the elitist 1% who own most of the planet then yeah ok they're pretty selfish, but many wealthy people are generous and giving individuals.

      I believe the poor in a developed society are clearly more selfish as a group because they're constantly worried about scarcity and lack. I'm not saying everyone fits this mold but most people I know who are poor are also pretty negative and scarcity minded folks who seldom give.
      Yeah I think we need to watch our words here, the words rich and poor are more derogatory now that I'm reading from someone else.

      But besides that I think the top 1% are more generous than the other wealthy people. Bill gates has given a way billions and started foundations to help people. SO you can't take that away from him.

      This just proves that either way wealthy or less fortunate (and lets not forget about the middle class) people have the same traits. Typically more so for the les fortunate because to make alot of money you have to help alot of people.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tim Whiston
        Originally Posted by Hililuud View Post

        Yeah I think we need to watch our words here, the words rich and poor are more derogatory now that I'm reading from someone else.

        But besides that I think the top 1% are more generous than the other rich people. Bill gates has given a way billions and started foundations to help people. SO you can't take that away from him.

        This just proves that either way rich or poor people have the same traits.
        Bill Gates seems like a pretty sincere guy. But also among the 1% are the real movers and shakers of this world; the families who have held massive wealth for generations and who don't appear to care what happens to the rest of the world.

        Interestingly I believe this ages old trend is on it's last leg. I think we'll see greater distribution of resources and power in coming generations.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Lockwood
      Originally Posted by Tim Whiston View Post

      I don't buy the idea that rich people are generally selfish. If you're talking about the elitist 1% who own most of the planet then yeah ok they're pretty selfish
      You mean the people who make all those charitable donations and pay most of the taxes?
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      • Profile picture of the author Tim Whiston
        Originally Posted by Chris Lockwood View Post

        You mean the people who make all those charitable donations and pay most of the taxes?
        Chris if you spend some time researching families like the Morgans, Rockefellers and others you'll see these donations pale in comparison to how they've effectively manipulated every institution in our society.

        Believe what you want but I'm not relying on the evening news and Fortune Magazine to form my opinion. Dig into the last 200 years or so and it's pretty tough to defend these families as warm and cozy lovers of charity.

        Having said that I'm not interested in arguing. Believe what you want I just dropped in to answer the OP.
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  • Profile picture of the author milan
    Hililuuud, I know how you feel and it's frustrating. Fortunately, I've gotten around these kinds of problems. Here are some tips:

    -The quality of your leads is probably bad.
    If you are selling to a community which supports the kind of behaviour you've described - that's what you'll get, and that's what this kind of community attracts. For example, Digital Point forums are a magnet for people who want to abuse your time over a $5 product (or free).
    -Your offer may look too appealing to people with this kind of expectations
    One way (a very easy way) is to filter people is by price. You need to know what you're doing with pricing, but just don't let the people abuse you, and track the percentage of abusers you get.
    Look at your offer. Does it promise the moon, or is it realistic.

    In other words, YOU are the one who decides who are your customers, by your offer. Realize that, change your offers accordingly and you'll have much less problems. Also, accept that getting a few crazy customers down the road is inevitable, it's just a part of business. Deal with that without much emotions, that is a small percentage, you just fire them and move on.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim Whiston
    Originally Posted by Hililuud View Post

    Selfishness is not a good or bad trait, it is a natural trait.
    Yeah it's all about the connotation. Most people teach their kids that being selfish is bad but there are definitely some good and necessary elements to the concept.

    Loving and honoring the self is what makes life a colorful experience in my opinion. I also think it's worthwhile to find a balance and contribute to the greater good.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Riley
    I have met people from all walks of life and have found that all qualities whether good or bad are equally in all.

    I think I heard this from Jim Rohn who quoted from his mentor as "there are really only six or seven nasty people in this world they just move around a lot"

    Meanness or goodness to me has nothing to do with status such as rich poor
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  • Profile picture of the author artwebster
    This has been an interesting discussion about about a generalisation with no fixed or floating parameters. The OP is simply a bunch of words tied together with the string of mischief aimed at the terminally knee-jerked who should really know better.

    Every person on this Earth is selfish to a degree and they are also generous to a degree. Many people, like me, are very wealthy but have no money while others are very poor and are loaded with money. Throughout their lives people tend to move within the accepted bounds of being wealthy or poor but their intrinsic generosity does not vary accordingly because it is a part of who they are - not a part of what they own.
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    • Profile picture of the author artwebster
      Originally Posted by Hililuud View Post

      How do you figure
      That was a predictable response.

      The way I 'figure' is to read what has been written and try to work out the meanings inherent in the way the words are organised and presented. When I feel that I have a grip on what was being said in a post like this one I make a 50% allowance for stupidity, a 25% allowance for grammatical inaccuracy and a further allowance of 25% for deliberate, inflamatory comment.

      So, now you know.

      What a pity you ignored the real message in my reply - Throughout their lives people tend to move within the accepted bounds of being wealthy or poor but their intrinsic generosity does not vary accordingly because it is a part of who they are - not a part of what they own. - but that did not fit in with your intent, did it?
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  • Profile picture of the author nichebreakers
    What have you been doing to make money? Maybe you could try a different approach?

    Or maybe instead of focusing on selling you could focus on giving! You said yourself that everyone wants stuff for free right?

    There are tons of ways to make money from giving away free stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gilbert714
    Rich or Poor doesn't have anything to do with selfishness. Its a character trait not a financial one.
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  • Profile picture of the author danielgb123
    It all depends on who you market your products too. If you are going to be promoting to people hoping to get rich from a $5 eBook, you are more than likely going to face problems. However, if you promote to people that can afford say a $67 product with no worries, you will be a lot happier with the way it all goes down.

    I do stick to my point that is to whom and how you actually promote your product.
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  • Profile picture of the author ScoTech
    Selfish people are selfish, and unselfish people are unselfish, there are bad poor people and bad rich people, there are good poor people and good rich people. Money is just a tool, a way to store work to exchange later, the heart of the person is what counts.
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  • Profile picture of the author william.jack38
    In my opinion, I select Rich People. They are very selfish, they do not care about the persons whose hard work get them success.
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    Hililuud, I've seen you posting a number of off-topic items on WF Marketing Forum.

    You seem to be suffering from lack of focus. Stop blaming other people, take control of your own future. Focus, plan, execute.

    Spend your time focusing, planning, and executing, instead of ranting aboutrich people, etc...

    I mean this with every measure of sincerity.
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  • Profile picture of the author debra
    Originally Posted by Hililuud View Post

    It is becoming more and more evident that the poor and middle class are just as if not more selfish than rich people. If you are marketing to a middle class or poor person it takes uncanny/extraordinary value to get even a few cents of them. Then if they do budge and pay only like 5 bucks they act like they own YOU!!! That complain and make you have to move mountains, reorder stars, and kiss their feet in order to make them happy. Consumers suck all the way across the board, everybody on internet wants stuff for free and they are completely lazy. Even worse they think everything is a scam!

    Ranting I know but I haven't made a penny in months, I don't have a job, and I'm trying to make something happen but even when stuff should work these consumers aren't trying to pay anything.
    I think you may confusing Greed with Need and mixing it with desparation.

    Mark of the current times...I guess.

    Which brings me to a thought...

    Fear Marketing
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  • Profile picture of the author BizBoost
    Money is a measure of work but not a measure of character. If one understands work, then one understands value and the complaint comes only when one feels they've not gotten value for their effort.

    So, it's up to the marketer -- to qualify his, or her, audience AND to communicate their product effectively. Otherwise, you are not marketing... you are "selling"... which anyone can do at a yard sale, or on Craigslist, or eBay.

    Best wishes,
    Eric
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  • Profile picture of the author malfumos
    I think the more selfish is the richer ones because sometimes they don't share their wealthiness to those in need of their help. Just like an example in a Adaption Center or home for the aged. Some rich people use their money for their own sake and they don't even think if I buy this one will this thing last longer?
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  • Profile picture of the author Dellco
    The simplest way to find out is to put a Donate button on your site....then you'll soon know the answer....

    For added measure, create something of value and offer it for free, and see how many donate....it's eye opening
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  • Profile picture of the author BizBoost
    Originally Posted by ProductCreator View Post

    But we wouldn't be in the position we are in today if it wasn't for the greed of the new middle classes who have never had it so good.
    It's a great mistake to mischaracterize the middle class as greedy. That sounds like snobby, self-righteous elitism.

    Not that you are, but it does give that impression.

    The middle class, at least in the US, drives the economy. They are not greedy for taking advantage of opportunities as they become available to them. It is natural for people to want to advance.

    The problems to which you suggestively refer begin when those who get their votes from the poor, strongarm the financial institutions into making housing loans available to those who are least likely to be able to pay them back.

    Then, when the party of caution steps in to regulate, the party of handouts shames them for it. Then later blames them for not regulating.

    You can see a perfect example of it right here:

    http://www.youtube.com/v/VgctSIL8Lhs

    http://www.youtube.com/v/_MGT_cSi7Rs

    So, when it comes to anything, especially an internet marketing conversation about whether the rich or poor complain more, please let's not blame it on the middle classes.

    These videos show what really happened... and why all people, rich and poor are REALLY complaining.
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