Planet Nibiru Iron Debris? Underground Cities?

Im convinced that they do exist... but also have considered what you are saying here too... and if they are as smart as they should be, thats exactly what they would do.

Was just in another thread about "strategists" and long term positioning... Its all very fascinating. They would be the ultimate strategists.

Quite welcome John, yeah, initially l wanted to believe in the Nibiru thing, but as stated before it didn't add up!

The Mars thing on the other hand is very obvious, and has substantial proof, that is why l believe it!


As for Mars being inhabited by Humans and having advanced junk everywhere, etc. is still up in the air, although there is more evidence pointing in that direction than not!

No concrete proof, but it is plausible, based on all available evidence!

And for a change NASA is actually backing up this idea, with recent announcements!

Should get exciting in the coming year. I suspect we will get the big announcement when this "Fiscal Cliff" issue gets resolved!

Shane

This recent article in "Scientific American" may help explain why people believe such theories despite contrary empirical evidence:

Why People Believe Conspiracy Theories: Scientific American

Without even watching the video,(which I will,btw,thanks,John), When this happened , it bothered me.

Mohammar had behaved himself for decades, and was playing nice. The whole thing looked like a setup/power grab orchestrated by his sons and who knows who else.
Nothing new, North Africa is an important piece of the pie.

I am a simple man. I believe that William of Occam (Occam's Razor) would be happy with my general thought processes.

I am a believer in the gospel of Timothy... Ferriss (The 4-Hour-Workweek.)

I have found that the teachings of Michael Shermer (Skeptic Society) to helpful in the understanding of most things.

With that background, might I ask a straightforward question; could you share any evidence that the planet Nibiru even exist? Or is it more than coincidence that it rhymes with woo-woo (Law of Attraction, The Secret, Deepak Chopra, 1,000 etc's.)?

Joe Mobley

A couple more things for research lines for those with open minds willing to at least study and consider alternative perspectives. The goal of the Illuminati, as stated in 1776, is, among other things, One World Government. The cabal of the Illuminati running and control the whole damn world and every human on it.

Kinda like what the UN wants, eh? Who is behind the UN and the first one, The League of Nations? Who pushed that idea? Questions to ask ...

Like I said, some of this stuff can get uncomfortable for the sheeple.

Take the Lucis Trust. What is that? Well it started as the Lucifer Publishing Company. Yes, that Lucifer. It was formed to publish esoteric books in the 1920s by power players in the US. It changed its name to Lucis (latin for the light) and has been working with the UN for decades. The Lucis Trust has consultative status (roster level) with the United Nations Economic and Social Council.

So what's up with Lucifer? Well, there was a big push in the 20s and 30s on estoric subjects, mostly based around the works of Madam Helen Blavatsky. Esotericism was all over FDRs administartion.

The highest levels of Freemasonry are Luciferian Doctrines. Lucifer is 'The Light' and Luciferians believe the Bible does not portray him accurately. Albert Pike, a Southern General in the Civil War, founder of the KKK, was also the senior Freemason of his time in the US You can read his 700+ page tome Morals and Dogma on Google Books for free if you doubt my assertions about Luciferianism and Freemasonry. It is a manual designed for other Freemason and he clearly outlines the Luciferian nature of things and Pike was the head of Freemasonry at the time - there is no more believable and accurate source on this than Pike himself.

There is also a big ass bronze statue of Pike in DC - the only Southern General to have this done.

Lucifer is also associated with the all seeing eye. Take out a dollar bill and look at the back. WTF is that?!? Oh, it is the all seeing eye on top of a pyramid. Any of you ever wonder how weird that is? That that is our national seal? Our double sided national seal, with the eagle on one side (count the feather on the eagle - 32 on one side and 33 on the other symbolizing the highest degrees in Scottish Rite and York Rite Freemasonry - neither an accident nor a coincedence) and the pyramid and all seeing eye on the other. What the hell does that have to do with the US? A pyramid and an all seeing eye?

Look into the history of the creation of our seal. Facinating indeed. Ben franklin was a part of this. Look into his forays in secret societies in England and France - I still don't know what to make of 'ol Benjamin.

For those that don't know, since you have a dollar bill out, see that part that says Federal Reserve Note? That means it was issued by the Federal Reserve Bank of the United States. You all do know that the Federal REserve is NOT a part of our government, right? As the saying goes, it is as federal as Federal Express. It is a privately controlled bank with shareholders who make money off of issuing our currency. They create paper money out of thin air, issue it as debt and charge the taxpayers for the interest. We don't even know who all owns the damn thing - it is kept a secret. How jacked up is that? That we do not know who makes a profit off of controlling our economy, which the Fed does through monetary supply and how much money is in circulation. Make no mistake that among the shareholders, the people who make money off our debt are the Rothschild and Rockefeller families.

Look into the history of Central Banking in this country. The battles that President Andrew Jackson fought against them. There are ties to Lincoln, the Civil War and his assassination to the International bankers. And the Vatican through Surratt. Look into 1913 when the Federal Reserve was formed and how that all came about on Jeckyll Island and the players involved, like the Wahrburg banking family from Germany.

Let's talk about oblesiks. Staight outta Egypt. An obelisk in DC, one at the Vatican (real deal one from Egypt) and one in the City of London. These are phallic symbols and they are tied into Solomon's Temple and freemasonry. Freemasons are also big on Hiram Abiff who did work on King Solomon's Temple. Raising any eyebrows out there?

Don't let this spiritual stuff scare you off. YOU don't have to believe in it, but you must understand that these people do. Crazy sh&t like the Bohemian Grove that most Presidents, Democrat and Republican, have attended. Carzy stuff goes on there, like ceremonies worshiping an owl and the burning of the effigy of a human baby called 'The Cremation of Care', which symbolizes not caring about the destruction caused by achieving the goals of control.

Wacky stuff, for sure, but it goes on every damn year. Just like the Bilderberger group, formed after WWII by Ex-Nazi Prince Bernard of the Netherlands. His daughter, Queen Beatrix, heads it up today. Of course more inbred royalty from the same family as Queen Elizabeth. Among other things, one of the reasons for the group seems to be ways to manage and disperse Nazi money after the War.

Lots 'o Nazis passed around after WWII. The Vatican helped smuggle some out. Operation Paperclip is no longer denianble after FOIA. We know it occurred.

Real deal Nazis and SS members, like Werner von Braun, were forgiven their sins and their Naziism downplayed as he headed up NASA. Prescott Bush, yes that Bush family, got in trouble with FDR for helping to fund Hitler.

Look into General Smedley Butler.

The House of Sax-Coburgh & Gota claims direct lineage from King Solomon. Yes, that King Solomon, and head up Freemasonry over in England. So, not only is the Queen of England not English, she is also not German as she claims her family to come from the Middle East and Biblical times. Look at the things said during her coronation ceremony.

This stuff can get wacky and deep. Like I said, you don't have to believe in the spiritual mumbo-jumbo attached to some of this, but these people do believe in it, so, know thy enemy.

I can't get into religion too much here, but at least watch Zeitgeist. Not that I agree with everything in it but, it can open your eyes. Zeitgeist is mostly based off of the work of Jordan Maxwell who delves in to the spiritual side of things at times, but if that doesn't suit your fancy, he also deals extensively with the symbology of the Illuminati, like the all-seeing eye and the etymology of words. He points some pretty serious fingers at the Vatican too.

Look into Joseph P. Farrell if you want to go out to the edge a little further. He has done some interesting research. He is also a PhD that used to teach at Oxford, so not too easy to casually dismiss as a nut job without considering his work in a serious fashion before coming to a conclusion on it.

There is soooo much more and this post is obviously disjointed. I am merely throwing out different lines of research to look into when trying to figure out if there exists this thing called the Illuminati and what's its goals, methods and lineage is.

When anyone researches these issues further, I hope they understand that they don't have to agree with any of it. But the also don't have to discount all of it either. I don't know anyone on this planet with whom I agree 100% all of the time. Point of that is, if you come across things from an individual and you maybe cannot swallow or accept all of it, that doesn't mean you cannot accept any of it - make sure you do not throw the baby out with the bathwater when researching these issues.

"From the days of Sparticus - Weishophf [Adam Weishaupt], Karl Marx, Trotski, Belacoon, Rosa Luxenburg, and Ema Goldman, this world conspiracy has been steadily growing. This conspiracy played a definite recognizable role in the tragedy of the French revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th Century. And now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their head and have become the undisputed masters of that enormous empire."

Yes, Winston Churchill did write this earlier in his life. He was referring to "international jews" and specifically in the article was referring to Jews in Russia. He wasn't referring to the defunct Illuminati. haha. I don't believe Churchill was anti-semitic by the way, although that quote and that article sure sounds that way. He was for a Jewish state, had many Jewish friends and admired the Jewish "race". Later in his career he said exactly the opposite of the quote above.

The quote from George Washington was in response to someone in regards to a book written by John Robison, who was one of the main reasons the Illuminati first achieved their fearsome status. The book painted the Illuminati as something they really weren't and I think that is what Washington is referring to. Yes, nobody denies there was a Illuminati and that is was founded by Adam Weishaupt. That doesn't make Washington a believer in conspiracy theories. It becomes conspiracy theory when the group is falsely misrepresented and also in saying it still exists and has amazing powers in our world.

Lets look at the Illuminati as it was during it's brief life.

First of all, why was it a "secret society"? Well, here's the reason folks, I'll let another founding father explain it:

"As Weishaupt lived under the tyranny of a despot and priests, he knew that caution was necessary even in spreading information, and the principles of pure morality. This has given an air of mystery to his views, was the foundation of his banishment.... If Weishaupt had written here, where no secrecy is necessary in our endeavors to render men wise and virtuous, he would not have thought of any secret machinery for that purpose." ~ Thomas Jefferson.

So what was the Illuminati about and who could join? Lets let the founder explain that:

Weishaupt's goal was "illumination, enlightening the understanding by the sun of reason, which will dispel the clouds of superstition and of prejudice"

"Whoever does not close his ear to the lamentations of the miserable, nor his heart to gentle pity; whoever is the friend and brother of the unfortunate; whoever has a heart capable of love and friendship; whoever is steadfast in adversity, unwearied in the carrying out of whatever has been once engaged in, undaunted in the overcoming of difficulties; whoever does not mock and despise the weak; whose soul is susceptible of conceiving great designs, desirous of rising superior to all base motives, and of distinguishing himself by deeds of benevolence; whoever shuns idleness; whoever considers no knowledge as unessential which he may have the opportunity of acquiring, regarding the knowledge of mankind as his chief study; whoever, when truth and virtue are in question, despising the approbation of the multitude, is sufficiently courageous to follow the dictates of his own heart, - such a one is a proper candidate.

The tenor of my life has been the opposite of everything that is vile; and no man can lay any such thing to my charge." ~ Adam Weishaupt.

It wasn't even required to be a Freemason to be a member. You didn't have to be a certain religion either. You just needed to believe in a supreme being.

Pretty scary stuff isn't it?

In 1785 the Illuminati was discovered by the government and banned, Weishaupt lost his job and was banished. He died in another country in 1830. The Illuminati ceased to exist by 1800. Well, except for in the imaginations of some. Two authors, Robison and Augustin Barruel wrote books in the late 1790s that theorized the Illuminati survived and aquired great powers with evil intent. Both writers apparently did bad jobs at translating the Bavarian documents from the Illuminati and Robison got all his information from other writers. Neither provided references for their sources.

So that's how this conspiracy theory started over two hundred years ago and now won't go away.

By the way, regarding this quote from Woodrow Wilson:

"Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States —in the fields of commerce and manufacturing—are afraid of somebody. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it."

Who is he referring to here? not the Illuminati. He's referring to big business, corporations and special interests. Here, you can check out more of his statements from The New Freedom:

excerpts from The New Freedom a book by Woodrow Wilson, 1961

To touch a bit more on the Lucifer thing. When I talk about Luciferian Doctrine, it is not in the sense that Freemasons worship the Devil, Satan, etc. From Morals and Dogma:

Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! It is he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable, blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish souls? Doubt it not!

In this context, Lucifer is associated with the planet Venus. Venus is the Morning Star. There is another celestial body that was worshiped, going back to the time of Hiram Abiff and King Solomon and it was the star Shekinah, which is purported to have appeared during the dedication of Solomon's Temple. Also referred to as the Morning Star. This is also in reference to the same star that was purported to appear at the time of the birth of 'ol JC.

Masonic ritual dictates that King Solomon instituted a Super Priesthood, a cult within a cult. These Priests are referred to as the Star Families and their symbol they used to identify themselves was two triangles - one inverted and placed on top of the other - the Star of David.

Back to a bit on Hiram Abiff, he was a Phonecian and the builder of Solomon's Temple. Although it is often claimed that Freemasons developed out of the trade guilds of the Middle Ages, like a labor union, ther masonry that Freemasons deal with is tied to about 3000 years ago and the masonry of Hiram Abiff. As the story goes, after completion of the Temple some of Hiram's workers demanded that he share with them his secrets (look in to the legends around Solomon's Temple concerning its construction) of masonry. He denied to offer up the goods, so the struck him in the head three times, with the thrid blow being the one that killed him. This event, the death of Hiram, is all reenacted in Masonic rituals.

So, with all of this, I am merely trying to add some historical context to Freemasonry and the Illuminati. There is much more to go into on this, like Ophir, where Solomon's men journeyed to on a 3 year round trip to bring back a boatload, literally, of gold. So where is Ophir?

So, back to the Illuminati. The Illuminati are the 'Illuminated Ones'. This ties back into the whole Lucifer/light thing.

The vast majority of Freemasons today are not tied into this stuff. Your average Freemason uses the lodge as a social and networking club ... but not all do. It is important to understand that neither Freemasons nor the Illuminati are Atheists. That is the reason for the my delving into some spiritual matters.

I don't know what to tell folks like myob at this point. I can only show you the path - the decision as to whether or not you want to take a stroll with me down that path is your own decision. The Illuminati is a real thing. We know it existed. I have tried to post some quotes from world leaders that state flat out that there is a subversive, behind the scenes, cabal that is pulling the strings. Don't want to listen to Churchill, Disraeli, FDR Wilson, et al, that is your choice to DENY REALITY, not mine ...

I'm having a lazy day watching football, so I'll flesh out a couple more posts on this today ...[/

I get that John, But go read Tim's post. He is calling me a nut job. Calling me names, saying I am mentally ill. Talking about banning, etc. Nothing in my tone had an effect on how closed his mind is to all of this. His intentions and thoughts about me were clear in his first post, so, if I came across as arrogant to him., it was in response to his insultive nature, with his dismissive haha.

And if I came across as arrogant to anyone else, well, my old man always told that it was better to be a smartass than a dumbasss. I guess I took that advice to heart. :p

What's worse. John? Coming across as arrogant while being correct, or running around insulting people, calling them nutjobs, while being wrong after a post was dismantled due to faulty research and reasoning.

Tim thought I was a nutjob before he even hit the 'post reply' button. myob thinks I am a nutjob, Yukon thinks I am a nutjob. I am sure they are wondering why I don't have a tin foil hat on my dog in my avatar.

That's okay, it doesn't bother or offend me, but it is clear to me, neither of these three are open to considering this stuff - their minds are made up. I used to approach these issues that way as well. And then I did a pretty open and thorough study of it.

And I certainly don't mean to be arrogant in stating the amount of research I have done regarding this issue - it is a requirement before you can form a truly informed opinion, either way.

Your mindest is different though. You are open to at least considering these issues, to investigate them furhter, even if you don't have a fully formed opinion on this stuff yet and aren't sure if you believe it, and even if you don't buy into this stuff in the end, you are at least willing to take the time to consider it with an open mind.

I commend that.

Hey, while we're here, go look at the State Seal of Colorado. Take a real good look at that eye.

That ain't a human eye - we don't have yellow iris', Furhter, our eyes do not have that shape.

But owls do...

The power brokers who attend the Bohemian Grove every year, the Presidents, the politicians and bureaucrats, the corporate leaders, the movers and shakers, well, it just so happens that they worship this great big ass owl, named Molech, and have been since 1872. People think I'm a nutjob, well, I ain't the one paying homage to Molech and burning effigies of human infants and all the other crazy sh&t that goes on at the Bohemian Grove every year.

Please expound on this. I am curious as to the coincidence you are referring to.

Thank you for your enlightenment, but your "stroll" is more like a potpourri of blustering tangential tirades. You have yet to show us the path and expand on the Illuminati conspiracy role in the OP's concern regarding 2012, the impending destruction from the planet Nibiru, secret underground cities, etc.


This is priceless:

Even more important, is there a conspiracy afoot to discredit academics and the scientific method?

It isn't bull and please don't tell me what I think Steve. I think you have enough problems trying to understand what you think.

I was describing one particular conspiracy theory not the definition of the phrase itself. In the case of the Illuminati just acknowledging that it existed doesn't make it a conspiracy theory. I'll stand by what I said about it.

I think his point is that there is a secret society that influences our government, and I , for one, dont doubt that.

Years ago, when I proudly defined myself as a skeptic, this was one of my immediate go to responses as well. Nothing can be kept in complete secrecy and more importantly, much of this stuff takes the approach of 'hiding out in the open'. No need to hide all of this stuff when folks like you refuse to see it in the open.

Much of this stuff is out in the open, staring you in the face. But again, a bias of an assumption without proper research that you seem to carry makes you discount the possibility, even though it is staring you right in the face.

NOT exactly true! HECK, Area 51 was released publicly, and IT was under threat of DEATH from the US government! EVERY conspiracy, no matter how small or how big relies on SOME freedom, and that may be its downfall. MOST try to ridicule or kill those that start to blab.

So you see, your claim is a self defeating one since the fact that you claim disbelief that they could exist proves that it is a fallacious argument.

Steve

Actually, I can think of a ton of dead whistles blowers right now. It's not worth debating , but there are a TON of them... even, "allegedly", people who reveal their mere WORKS openly, without even speaking the actual name, such as former Georgia State Governor Nancy Schaefer, and even the guy who tried to finish her work after she passed... "some" power did not want that information coming forth. For both of them to have suddenly died in the way it happened seems like an AWEFUL strong coincidence worth questioning.

There are a TON more, however to mention these would bring on more accusations of conspiracy thinking...It's not worth the debate, but you are correct. Thanks for pointing that out.

@ Daniel, whether I agree or disagree with any of your points, Im not inclined to debate a PRS man

The pyramid with the eye and the interpretation of the words...yeah -weird.

For sure. They are selected, not elected.

For those that scoff at the idea of the media being controlled, you need to look no further than the Bilderberg group. Every year 100 of the most powerful people in the world meet to plan things, like who will be elected. European royalty, ministers of finance, Presidential Candidates, CEOs of major corps, IMF fund and World Bank people.

Yet, not a peep about this in the mainstream media. This IS news. Think about all the stupid human interest stories and other trivial issues you see on the tv, yet when the most powerful people in the world meet annually, it is hushed up. Not reported, not questioned, etc.

That is by design. No one can argue that a meeting like this, no matter what they are discussing, is anything but absolutely news worthy, in fact, it is headline news. But the mainstream won't report on it. One single dignitary from a foreign country visits the US and you can find at least a blurb on it. But when dozens upon dozens of these people arrive for the Bilderberg group, not a peep is spoken.

This alone is absolute evidence that the information we receive is controlled, when such obvious news stories like this are kept under wraps, and have been for decades. Of course, like the Bohemian Grove, major media moguls are in attendance, on the scene, and they will not allow their news corps to report on the activities.

Because they know that if the majority of people were truly aware of it, there would be an absolute outcry.

I'm inclined to believe they have ALL been puppets ever since the coup d'état that took place on November 22 1963.

I agree completely.

I think you misunderstood.

No-one referred to a non-believer as a "nut-job".

Christopher said someone is "no nut-job" referring to a believer beggining the question as to what is to be considered "normal" if both sets of people from each side of the fence are using the term.

Naturally, it's the non-conventionist who will be labelled with it the most...

Icke handled himself awesomely on the Wogan show I thought.

I haven't saw anyone in here call anyone else out of their name for believing in conspiracies. However, how many failed predictions do the conspiracy crowd have to make before they quit acting as if they hold some kind of super secret knowledge? I've seen these guys make prediction after prediction and yet not a single one has ever come true, but yet, it's considered rude or whatever to completely write off anything they say. I don't understand it. I'm sure if a weatherman has failed at 100% of his forecasts, you'd stop listening to him. So, why should we keep pretending like we care what the conspiracy crowd says?

And now for a refreshing pause...


And something to take with you so you can be better prepared going forward.


I feel better already. :rolleyes:

Joe Mobley

It's a losing argument for both sides. The 'ancient astronaut theorist' group will always toss out the "it's so obvious, it doesn't have to be hidden" or present their case in such a condescending way that no one is interested in speaking to them , let alone attempting to have an intelligent discussion about the matter. They'll keep bringing fourth 'evidence' that cannot be substantiated, or they'll insist that modern science has some sort of agenda to hide the truth.

Granted, I buy into some pretty outlandish stuff: I believe that this planet has been visited by extra terrestrials, and that there are fairly obvious instances of human culture being radically shifted or advanced in a remarkably brief period of time, that cannot be explained by conventional means, with out the injection of some type of interference from an outside culture or intelligence. There are also a lot of unanswered questions regarding the events surrounding September 11th as well, but to suggest that it was all a giant conspiracy, or all a single orchestrated event is a bit much for me.

But a group of people who control every last thing that goes on, are so smug, and convinced that we are all so completely retarded that they can do what they wish in plain view because the sheeple are too stupid to see it?

I don't think Alex Jones ( big name on info wars, uber left wing conspiracy believers ) truly swallows the kool-aid of all the crap he talks about--

Just another example of sensationalist media trying to sell you something; and man, they sold some prime Arizona Ocean front property to our buddy Christopher here.

SMH

When you do that you get stamped...on the other hand , the argument that "You are just a conspiracy theorist" and generalizing kind of stamps a person in my book too. Appreciate educational comebacks that come without all the insulting undertones. One can protest "too much", and lose the strength of their argument on both sides, revealing their own biases.

Ps. After checking out the Alex Jones thread, I can also say "Sometimes you just gotta go for it". Its all appropriate I guess. Passion is good. Things are relative. If I had fifteen minutes to relay a passionate message to the world that was crucial, I wouldnt be too keen on giving the other guy alot of floorspace.

I know you were trying to be fairly vague, but I think I missed the point entirely...what?

I always have the same question about these 100,000 year old "more advanced" civilizations... "Why did everything they build just look like a pile of rocks?". lol

Let me reign this in a bit in this post, for those who aren't quite ready to go as far back in time, tracing the roots of the Illuminati prior to Weishaupt, and the esoteric nature that is involved in that.

A great place for an entry point into all of this if anyone is new to the subject matter or curious about, yet have not made a determination for themselves on what to believe, is with the Federal Reserve. Start here:

The Federal Reserve Bank of the United States created The Great Depression.

That is a matter of historical fact. All the things we are taught about in school concerning The Great Depression, yet the truth is notoriously absent. How did the Federal Reserve create The Great Depression? Through monetary supply.

You don't have to listen to me though, others will tell you this. Like Nobel Laureate Milton Friedman. Along with Anna Schwartz, Friedman published his work on money supply in the book A Monetary History of The United States. It was from that study that the conclusion was reached.

Aside from the many academic economists that share this view as well is Ben Bernake, current Chairman of the Fed. He also states publicly that this was the case. Controlling the monetary supply gives you control of the entire economy. So much so that decisions made with the money supply can plunge nations into depressions.

To get a better understanding of how this can occur, I'll quote Friedman:

Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon

Put more simply, inflation is too many dollars chasing too few goods. And the converse is true where deflation is too few dollars chasing too many goods. It is pretty intuitive once you understand that inflation is tied to the money supply. People see rising prices, and they call it inflation. Rising prices is not inflation. It is a symptom, a result of inflation. Just as your nose runs when you have a cold. The runny nose is not the cause of the cold, it is merely a symptom, a result of the cold. What causes the cold, what causes the nose to run, is a viral infection. Same thing here with prices. Price escalation is not inflation, rather too many dollar bills in circulation, in people's pockets and bank reserves, is infaltion.

All of the above is researchable by anyone, as well as undeniable. So where does that leave us? Well the question then must be asked, was it an accident? A mistake made by those at the Fed controlling the money supply? Without giving it any consideration, the skeptic would say yes. They would say that it was a mistake, an accident, and oversight, a miscalculation, etc.

These people are experts on money supply. Their families have been involved in ti for centuries. They know how to create inflation, they know how to create stock bubbles to crash, like in 1929 and the housing bubble of 2008. They are far, far to knowledgeable on this issues to make such foolish mistakes. It is not logical to assume that they do not understand the intimate realationship between the money supply and overall health of the economy.

But, before anyone comes to that conclusion, I encourage you to give it serious thought. To think about who exactly who you are accusing of making an unintentional mistake.

Who is the who? Well, on the surface we know who the who is, the public figures that are presiding over the various Fed banks throughout the country as well as the Head Honcho, based out of DC.

Again, the Federal Reserve is as federal as Federal Express. It is privately owned. It has shareholders, owners who make a profit off of our debt. I am sure there are people in this thread who understand how this all works, but the simple fact is that the vast, vast majority of Americans don't have the foggiest idea of how it all works. Not only that, but the vast, vast majority of Americans think that the Federal Reserve is an actual part of our government. That it is our government that is printing our money and controlling our economy through interest rates.

Think that name is an accident? Putting Federal in the name so that everyone just assumes it is a part of our government, instead of the absolute criminal racket that it is.

People aren't aware of this because neither our schools, nor our mainstream mnedia will educate and inform the public about this. Think that is by accident?

So, how much oversight, how much control does our government have over the Fed? Let's let Alan Greenspan, former Fed Chairman, tell us in his own words:

To get to the nitty gritty, skip to 7:35


Did you hear that?

Well, first of all, the Federal Reserve is an independent agency and that means basically that there is no other agency of government which can overrule actions that we take.

Unf'ingbeleivable, eh? Congress, nor the President, nor any other body or government can control what actions the Fed takes. So, I ask you, what is the most powerful entity in this country? Not only does the Fed have complete control over our economy, but they do what they want, and nobody can stop them. The Fed answers to nobody, nor can they be made to. This is by design and written into law, the law that the International Bankersters drew up on Jekyll Island and then handed to Senator Aldrich (who later married into the banking families) to move through Congress.

Not only can they do whatever they want, but we don't even know exactly what they do and have been doing since 1913. Not once has the Fed ever been audited. Many attempts have been made, different members of Congress, both republican and Democrat, have put forth Bills calling for an audit, but the Bills are always shut down, regardless of which party is controlling Congress.

Just an audit, a 'show us your books so we can see what you are doing'. But, we the people cannot even get that. Why? Pretty obvious why. The International Banksters control our Congress. They control the positions of power in our Congress.

For any of you that this is new too, is your eyebrow raised yet? It should be, along with your outrage. To quote Henry Ford:

It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.

That ain't no sh&t there Hank.

To touch on the mechanics of our banking system a bit, it based off of fractional reserve banking. I am sure most people have heard the term fractional reserve, but many do understand what that means. It refers to the reserves a bank must keep on hand.

In the us the fraction is 1/10, or 10%. This means that when you deposit $100 in your checking or savings account, the bank is only required to keep $10 on hand. What do they do with you other $90? They loan it out and charge interest. What a racket, eh? You give the bank your money for safe keeping and they take 90% of your money and loan it out and charge interest. They use, nit their money, but your money to make money.

Incidentally, fractional reserve banking is what creates the bank runs that you have heard about. Depositers at a bank lose faith in the bank, perhaps they have heard the bank is making bad loans, and everyone shows up at once and demands:

"Give me my damn money back you f'ing crook"

And the Bankster says, "Uh, sorry, I don't have it. I loaned it all out."

And then the bank is out of business and the despositers lose any money they had in the bank. Easy, money, huh? Take somebody else's money and loan 90% of it out and make buttloads when the loan comes back in with interest.

Back to our money supply, the Fed controls how much money, how many actual dollar bills are out in the economy circulating by a couple different ways. Mainly through the interest rates - what it costs somebody to borrow money. Money to invest in a business, by a house, etc. If they want to contract the money supply, they raise interest rates, so that it becomes more expensive to borrow, reducing the amount of people that are willing to borrow money and then put into circulation through spending.

There are also more complicated mechanisms, like the Discount Window, which fixes the rate that it costs other banks (your normal neighborhood bank) can borrow from the Fed.

And then of course, there are the printing presses. The truly dispicable, immoral and criminal aspect of these crooks. We have Fiat money. Fiat from Latin meaning let it be. Put more plainly, it is 'here, let me pull this piece of worhtless paper out of my ass, print some things on it and call it money'.

It is money created out of thin air, by flipping a switch on the printing press. The real crime with this? When the Fed prints new money, merely turns on a printer, they are issuing that money as debt. They loan it to the government and then the taxpayers are forced to pay intrest on this money, on this paper that came out of printing press.

How jacked up is that? The government needs money (because they spend more than they take in, so the borrow it from the Fed, to be paid back with interest. So these shareholders, these people who we don't know the names of (well, we know who they are, they are the Rothchilds, Rockefellers, Warburgs and a few others) make money off of our governments debt.

In the 1980's a commission was formed to find out exactly where the personal income tax that was collected by the IRS went. The findings of the Grace Commission in regards to the personal income tax collected by the IRS were:

100 percent of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the federal debt and by federal government contributions to transfer payments. In other words, all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services [that] taxpayers expect from their government.

Again, unf'ingbeleivable. All of teh money taken form your paycheck in the form of income tax goes directly into the pockets of teh INternational Banksters to pay off the interest on money that we 'borrowed' from them. Except we didn't borrow any of their money. They just turned on the printing press, created money as debt out of thin air and demand that the taxpayers of America hand over an average of 25% of their income to them.

As far as what pays for the services, the military, the social programs, that money comes from other tariffs and taxes. And, since our government runs a deficeit, the money they need to cover the rest of those services is borrowed from the Fed.

Every one of you is a debt slave. 25%, on average, of every penny you make in your life through your labor, goes directly into the pockets of International Banksters, to the Illuminati.

This post is long enough, so I'll not go further, like the fact that there exists no law, anywhere, that states we must pay personal income taxes. But, since the income tax is part of the creation of the Federal Reserve in 1913, I will go furhter into it in another post.

So, for those who I lost when I started tracing the roots of Illuminati back through the annals of history and are turned off by researching the esoteric aspect of all of this, start here, with this. And ask yourself how jacked up this is, how criminal it is ...

I'll give that a watch in a day or so. Thanks for posting it.