Alex Jones, Piers Morgan Part 1+2. 1776 Will Commence Again' If Guns Taken Away (YouTube)

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What a f&*in' loony bin.

Edit: Alex has sort of grown on me.
  • Profile picture of the author bluecoyotemedia

    yes.. sadly.. Alex Jones fell for the bait.

    let me state for the record that alex jones is 100% correct in his statements. and facts. but his delivery was piss poor

    and he let a wimp brit like piers morgan bait him especially with the out of the blue twin towers conspiracy

    so morgan accmplished his mission by shifting the focus from the facts and truth to the man who is very impassioned about his beliefs

    let me get into the ring with that american idol make believe journalist LOL
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    • Profile picture of the author goindeep
      Originally Posted by bluecoyotemedia View Post

      yes.. sadly.. Alex Jones fell for the bait.

      let me state for the record that alex jones is 100% correct in his statements. and facts. but his delivery was piss poor

      and he let a wimp brit like piers morgan bait him especially with the out of the blue twin towers conspiracy

      so morgan accmplished his mission by shifting the focus from the facts and truth to the man who is very impassioned about his beliefs

      let me get into the ring with that american idol make believe journalist LOL
      Wow you clearly are high! Alex tore shreds off him!

      If you watch Alex Jones you will know this is always his style, he goes in like a raging bull, always has, always will.
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  • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
    Alex Jones amuses the hell out of me. And I'd be happy if Piers Morgan was deported from earth.
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  • Profile picture of the author bravo75
    This is the funniest, bizarrest debate I've seen in ages. 10 out of 10 for entertainment. Especially the end, where he puts on the British accent. Priceless!
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    • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
      Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

      Especially the end, where he puts on the British accent. Priceless!
      OMG, I didn't get to that part yet. Still watching, and listening...
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  • Profile picture of the author Young Financier
    I bet even Alex Jones himself is surprised that people believe the things he says.
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  • Profile picture of the author Barry Davis
    I was just glad he shut Piers Morgan up -- what a hack.
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  • Profile picture of the author alistair
    Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

    What a f&*in' loony bin.
    Which one?
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    I think Alex KNEW he was making a fool of himself, but he was taking advantage of the 15 minutes, at all costs.

    He took a hit for the rest of us, I believe deliberately. He wasnt losing control, he isnt that dumb. He was taking advantage of the media at all costs for the cause, even at the cost of looking like a fool.


    Lol. I love him... DOWN WITH THE MURDER PILLS!

    Hey, fighting for justice aint always pretty!
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  • Profile picture of the author Riptor
    I can't stand Morgan he is so obviously a bought and paid for shill!
    He sold his soul long ago.... please keep him America, he's not wanted here!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author Riptor
      Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

      Hell no. He's your problem. Maybe you could use him to announce new episodes of Dr. Who on the BBC. Find something harmless for him to do.
      Yes he would fit in very well with the BBC Ken, because they are corrupt too!
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Anyone who says Alex Jones is a sell out, doesnt recognize true passion.
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  • Profile picture of the author LarryC
    I have mixed feelings about Alex Jones. I agree with most of what he says, but he's clearly got an act. In that way, he's comparable to Stephen Colbert, though it's obviously a very different type of act. I think he must have learned his delivery from watching pro wrestling villains.

    As for Piers Morgan, I've only seen him once before this video. In that episode, he had on an animal trainer who brought in numerous wild animals. Morgan was visibly cringing and stayed as far from all the animals as possible. Granted, some of them were dangerous but the trainer had them on leashes. I distrust people who don't like animals on principle.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by LarryC View Post

      I have mixed feelings about Alex Jones. I agree with most of what he says, but he's clearly got an act. In that way, he's comparable to Stephen Colbert, though it's obviously a very different type of act. I think he must have learned his delivery from watching pro wrestling villains.

      As for Piers Morgan, I've only seen him once before this video. In that episode, he had on an animal trainer who brought in numerous wild animals. Morgan was visibly cringing and stayed as far from all the animals as possible. Granted, some of them were dangerous but the trainer had them on leashes. I distrust people who don't like animals on principle.
      People love to dis AJ - but if you look at what he's said over the years, he's spot on a majority of the time. I think it's really an injustice that he sensationalizes the way he does. If he could just stick to facts without the fear mongering yellow journalism, he'd get a lot further with people who think he's a tinfoil freak.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    No doubt Jones probably capitalizes, but I dont hold that against him, a man has to make a living. I think the way he makes his though benefits us all, and so thats a good way to make one.

    We wouldnt even HAVE a country if people didnt get mad about governments and vow to keep an eye on them. Somebody has to be "that guy".

    If he perfects his act or makes money...Good for him. Just my own opinion obviously. That and fifty cents wont buy you a coke.
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      • Profile picture of the author Riptor
        Haha Jezza telling it like it is... love it!

        Ok America let's strike a deal... send him back but please launch him in a barge, and make sure it sinks half way across the Atlantic Ocean...

        we will be forever in your debt.
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        • Profile picture of the author John Durham
          Originally Posted by Riptor View Post

          Haha Jezza telling it like it is... love it!

          Ok America let's strike a deal... send him back but please launch him in a barge, and make sure it sinks half way across the Atlantic Ocean...

          we will be forever in your debt.
          What did he do in Britain that was so bad?
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          • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
            I can't believe this thread is running in tandem with another which addresses the topic of conspiracy which involves a secret society who are fear mongering behind a smokescreen by supposedly putting guns on the street whilst there are comments in this thread with people defending the 2nd Amendement!

            Classic stuff!

            Alex Jones proving that he's a collected individual who isn't likely to blow his lid and perhaps misuse one of his 50 guns in the same way he's misusing his testosterone. Perfectly executed! What a complete and utter toolbar.
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            • Profile picture of the author seasoned
              Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

              I can't believe this thread is running in tandem with another which addresses the topic of conspiracy which involves a secret society who are fear mongering behind a smokescreen by supposedly putting guns on the street whilst there are comments in this thread with people defending the 2nd Amendement!

              Classic stuff!

              Alex Jones proving that he's a collected individual who isn't likely to blow his lid and perhaps misuse one of his 50 guns in the same way he's misusing his testosterone. Perfectly executed! What a complete and utter toolbar.
              There WAS a conspiracy to put guns on the streets. It was done via giving guns to mexican drug runners. ATF gunwalking scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

              I think alex is just passionate.

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            • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
              Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

              I can't believe this thread is running in tandem with another which addresses the topic of conspiracy which involves a secret society who are fear mongering behind a smokescreen by supposedly putting guns on the street whilst there are comments in this thread with people defending the 2nd Amendement!

              Classic stuff!

              Alex Jones proving that he's a collected individual who isn't likely to blow his lid and perhaps misuse one of his 50 guns in the same way he's misusing his testosterone. Perfectly executed! What a complete and utter toolbar.
              As always, well said. Well said indeed.

              I believe your exact words were "pour another drink" when we last talked.

              You spoke of Alex. But how about Piers? Perhaps you can speak to the accusation that Morgan fled his country. You must be so very proud. So very proud indeed. What a display of courage

              Well what do you know, it's tea time again

              Speaking of courage, Alex has challenged Morgan to another debate. You think your courageous mate is up to the challenge? Or will he flee?

              Cheerio.
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              • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
                Originally Posted by David Maschke View Post


                You spoke of Alex. But how about Piers? Perhaps you can speak to the accusation that Morgan fled his country. You must be so very proud. So very proud indeed. What a display of courage
                You think your couragous mate is up to the challenge?
                I think you perhaps overlooked the fact that a lot of British (including myself) regard Piers Morgan, who as a man with potential for endless insult through vast imperfection somehow, by the power of the almighty, happened to be interviewing someone who rendered every negative trait of his redundant in contrast as he sat next to an overly egotistical, ostentatious and massively boisterous individual (one that even surpassed the intensity of those very qualities in Piers himself) who took it upon himself to act the fool as he tried so desperately to convey a message through the steam of his unproductive rage in interview on television.

                What I think is interesting is how people will jump to a "patriotic before principle" defense rather than simply accepting that the other side may simply be calling out a wrong for a wrong according to their own opinion, regardless of their nationality and ironically that represents the entire route of the problem and exactly why the big man is sitting flapping his gums in a blind fury acting as though it's a terrorist attack on America....

                Toodlepip. I'm off for crumpets...
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                • Profile picture of the author garyv
                  Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

                  What I think is interesting is how people will jump to a "patriotic before principle" defense rather than simply accepting that the other side may simply be calling out a wrong for a wrong according to their own opinion
                  Many of us are taking a patriotic AND principled defense. The statistics back us up - but those statistics are ignored or are misrepresented by those that have made up their own mind and have chosen to go with "their own opinion" rather than actual stats.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
                    Originally Posted by garyv View Post

                    Many of us are taking a patriotic AND principled defense. The statistics back us up - but those statistics are ignored or are misrepresented by those that have made up their own mind and have chosen to go with "their own opinion" rather than actual stats.
                    The only stats that are relevant to the US are; America with legalized firearms VS America without legalized firearms (however possible / impossible it may be to put that into effect to correlate those figures) - not distinction against another country.

                    The law is currently being justified by external contrast principle.
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                    • Profile picture of the author garyv
                      Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

                      The only stats that are relevant to the US are; America with legalized firearms VS America without legalized firearms (however possible / impossible it may be to put that into effect to correlate those figures) - not distinction against another country.

                      The law is currently being justified by external contrast principle.
                      That's exactly right - and negates Piers' entire argument. If you watch the video above with Ted Nugent, he provides the America with and without legalized firearms stats to back up his argument.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
                        Originally Posted by garyv View Post

                        That's exactly right - and negates Piers' entire argument. If you watch the video above with Ted Nugent, he provides the America with and without legalized firearms stats to back up his argument.
                        I only speak generally and independently as to why stat comparison with other countries are irrelevant. Piers doesn't really concern me. It's the overall topic I'm interested in.

                        What point in the video though is someone able to compare stats for the US with and without legal firearms?

                        As mentioned, the justification of gun law in the US is based upon contrast principle.

                        The video demonstrated this by listing a series of countries that have a worst gun related homicide rate than the US.

                        Such comparisons are void to debate and contrast principle is void in itself also for the fact that it establishes Country A as being "acceptable", whilst Country B is doing badly and "badly" will only ever be defined by Country B.

                        This means that although Country A might meet the previous "bad" figure of Country B in the subsequent year, the bar has potential to always be continuously raised with an even greater figure by Country B perpetuating and redefining "bad" and lessening the severity of the other countries lower figure ensuing endless chaos...

                        People need to quit looking at the shit heap as a reference point for their supposed "success" and strive to see what they can do based upon their own resource and opportunity.
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                        • Profile picture of the author garyv
                          Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post


                          What point in the video though is someone able to compare stats for the US with and without legal firearms?
                          In the video with Ted Nugent - Ted makes a statement (and claims to have stats) that the gun free zones in the United States have a much higher violent crime rate than the zones where conceal and carry is permitted.

                          And stats do back up his claim. I mean even right here close to where I live - Chicago has the highest murder and violent crime rate of any city - and they also have one of the strictest gun ordinances. - And then in Kennesaw Georgia they've passed a law to make it mandatory for every household to own a gun, and the crime rate there as gone down to almost zero.
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                          • Profile picture of the author bravo75
                            Originally Posted by garyv View Post

                            In the video with Ted Nugent - Ted makes a statement (and claims to have stats) that the gun free zones in the United States have a much higher violent crime rate than the zones where conceal and carry is permitted.

                            And stats do back up his claim. I mean even right here close to where I live - Chicago has the highest murder and violent crime rate of any city - and they also have one of the strictest gun ordinances. - And then in Kennesaw Georgia they've passed a law to make it mandatory for every household to own a gun, and the crime rate there as gone down to almost zero.
                            Pairs and apples. Kennesaw Georgia has a population less than 30,000. Chicago has almost 10,000,000.
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                            • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
                              Originally Posted by David Maschke View Post

                              Just checkn' the statistics. It seems violent crime is up in your country. You too must be so very proud, so very proud indeed.
                              Violent crime figures in the UK includes having your car stolen at 03:00 when you are in bed and none the wiser until the morning. Not really that violent.

                              Originally Posted by David Maschke View Post

                              But how about Piers? Perhaps you can speak to the accusation that Morgan fled his country. You must be so very proud. So very proud indeed. What a display of courage
                              He didn't flee at all. He was offered a job by Simon Cowell to present a Talent Show in The UK and when Cowell took it to the US Cowell asked him to present it there.

                              Dan
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                            • Profile picture of the author garyv
                              Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

                              Pairs and apples. Kennesaw Georgia has a population less than 30,000. Chicago has almost 10,000,000.
                              Kind of like comparing the UK to the US right?

                              Here's another... Scottsdale Arizona - Home to a large Gun Club the Daily Kos calls the Scottsdale Gun Club crackpots. Known for it's loose gun restrictions. What else is it known for? The lowest crime rate of any big city in the United States.... go figure.

                              Which city has the 2nd lowest violent crime rate? Plano Texas - another city with a high population of legal gun owners and very relaxed gun laws.

                              Now look up the 2 cities with the highest violent crime rates and research their gun laws. You'll find that they're much more strict with their gun ownership laws.
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                              • Profile picture of the author bravo75
                                Originally Posted by garyv View Post

                                Kind of like comparing the UK to the US right?
                                Who's comparing the UK to the US? I certainly am not.
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                                • Profile picture of the author garyv
                                  Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

                                  Who's comparing the UK to the US? I certainly am not.

                                  You posted the Piers Morgan video. That's been part of his argument every time he debates the subject.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author bravo75
                                    Originally Posted by garyv View Post

                                    You posted the Piers Morgan video. That's been part of his argument every time he debates the subject.
                                    I can't stand that pompous hack Piers Morgan. I posted the videos because I find them highly amusing. It's like watching a very good Saturday Night Live sketch. Especially towards the end where bullhorn puts on the hilarious British accent.
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                            • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                              Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

                              Pairs and apples. Kennesaw Georgia has a population less than 30,000. Chicago has almost 10,000,000.
                              It works with COUNTRIES also. And some small towns in the US have been effectively forbidden to have arms for DECADES and the murder rate is SO high.... Now you say HOW HIGH IS IT?(HEY, it sounds like it is a joke, so I might as well lead in...)

                              It is SO high that a friend of a friend of mine asked us to leave because we would likely get shot, and showed the bullet holes in her door jamb to prove it! SERIOUSLY! And NONE of those people are allowed to own guns and most of the city isn't. In the state, at the time, it was forbidden, for almost ANYONE(save SOME military, law enforcement officers, and VERY few others) to drive around with a gun that could be easily used.

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                          • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
                            And you are OK with the Government mandating in this instance? So, if they don't buy and keep a gun they go to jail?
                            Originally Posted by garyv View Post

                            And then in Kennesaw Georgia they've passed a law to make it mandatory for every household to own a gun, and the crime rate there as gone down to almost zero.
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                            • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
                              Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                              And you are OK with the Government mandating in this instance? So, if they don't buy and keep a gun they go to jail?
                              If I'm not mistaken (which I could be, I haven't heard much about this topic) they don't face jail time. It's just a fine.

                              Someone please correct this if I'm wrong tho.

                              In the mean time, everybody please enjoy this amateur illustration. I hope it clears some things up for some people

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                              • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
                                Originally Posted by Whos That Guru View Post


                                In the mean time, everybody please enjoy this amateur illustration. I hope it clears some things up for some people

                                Let's have 1 bad guy with a gun in the second instance to represent lack of availability...
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                                • Profile picture of the author John Durham
                                  Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

                                  Let's have 1 bad guy with a gun in the second instance to represent lack of availability...
                                  Drugs are illegal, but anyone who wants can get them. I dont think a lack of legal status means a lack of availability. Any person from any country can come to America and get them on any city street corner.

                                  Unlike guns, drugs are consumable so people get them over and over again, many times over, even though they are illegal. You only need to get a gun once.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
                                    Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

                                    Drugs are illegal, but anyone who wants can get them. I dont think a lack of legal status means a lack of availability. Any person from any country can come to America and get them on any city street corner.
                                    Finding someone on a street corner VS walking into a store?

                                    I know which is easier...

                                    Unlike guns, drugs are consumable so people get them over and over again, many times over, even though they are illegal. You only need to get a gun once.
                                    ...and it only takes one bullet to go through someones cranium.
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                                    • Profile picture of the author garyv
                                      Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

                                      Finding someone on a street corner VS walking into a store?

                                      I know which is easier...

                                      ...and it only takes one bullet to go through someones cranium.

                                      From someone that has bought a gun from the store, let me just say that buying it from someone on the street corner would be much easier for sure. Unless of course the person on the corner made you file for a registration card and made you wait for it to come in the mail.

                                      I'm all for the regulation of fire-arms - for instance only allowing purchase to people that are mentally capable. But regulation can only be enforced if the gun is sold through a store - not the guy on the corner.
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                                      • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
                                        Well robo, if that 916 in your username happens to stand for your area code, that is a damn good question.

                                        People in that area probably DO need to be signing their 7 year old children up for a concealed weapons permit, LOL! (rly not funny, I just couldn't resist)
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                                        • Profile picture of the author robo916
                                          Originally Posted by Whos That Guru View Post

                                          Well robo, if that 916 in your username happens to stand for your area code, that is a damn good question.

                                          People in that area probably DO need to be signing their 7 year old children up for a concealed weapons permit, LOL! (rly not funny, I just couldn't resist)
                                          That's 209 area code you're thinking of :rolleyes:
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                                • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
                                  Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

                                  Let's have 1 bad guy with a gun in the second instance to represent lack of availability...
                                  That's just silly

                                  Everybody knows that if the criminals can't find or make them on their own, our govt will just appoint some to them!

                                  Think of it like a Miranda Right, but for guns! **cough** Fast & Furious **cough**

                                  LOL!! By their twisted logic, its perfectly fine for the criminals and mexican cartels to have the TRUE automatic weapons, but not the people who actually DO obey the law.. NOPE! We can't have that!

                                  OH!! Here's another thing that pisses me off - Isn't Feinstein (the woman leading the AWB bill) the very same woman who pointed her LOADED pistol at a news reporter's chest to show him her, quote, "cute new laser sight" ??

                                  And this is the woman who is trying to tell us what we can or can't have? HA! I don't think so!
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                                • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                                  Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

                                  Let's have 1 bad guy with a gun in the second instance to represent lack of availability...
                                  It wouldn't change things anyway, but ever hear of a saturday night special? BTW did you know that it has been against the law for decades for a felon to own a gun? If they shoot for non allowed reasons, they generally become a felon. So regular gangs can't have guns. That is under current law.

                                  Steve
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                            • Profile picture of the author garyv
                              Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                              And you are OK with the Government mandating in this instance? So, if they don't buy and keep a gun they go to jail?
                              It hasn't really been enforceable- but it has been a good deterrent for those that would otherwise have an upper-hand with an illegal weapon.
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          • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
            Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

            What did he do in Britain that was so bad?
            Nothing really. Do you use the word smarmy in the US? Ken has used supercilious which is more or less them same.

            Anyway he was the youngest ever Editor of a major Newspaper, he is an intelligent guy. He turned it around from being a cheap rag to one of more intelligent news which would question things.

            While the US and UK got excited about invading Iraq and Afghanistan The Daily Mirror as edited by him actually questioned the whole thing from day one and he was seen as unpatriotic.

            The thing that finished his career was his paper was given pictures of British Troops urinating on and beating Iraqi soldiers (a bit like those images of US soldiers if you remember)

            Thing is the US ones were real, the British ones were faked and the paper was set up.

            When it was proven they were faked he resigned.

            God knows why but Simon Cowell gave him a job presenting Britains Got Talent (we're still waiting ) and then the US version and his career took off again.

            Now Cowell is another smarmy git that we would be quite happy for you guys to keep.

            The British 'You can keep him we don't want him' is just a classic British thing to say about anyone who has gone elsewhere. A jest type of thing.

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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Apparently a LOT of americans want to deport morgan, and the WH has to respond according to THEIR rules. Apparently the Brits figure GOOD RIDDANCE, don't let him back!

    WOW! MORGAN is bringing this up?

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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Thanks Dan, that explains alot.
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  • Profile picture of the author alistair
    I think Jeremy Clarkson has ulterior motives.

    With everything that Alex Jones said which was a lot but might as well have been nothing at all, all I took from that "debate" was 11,000 gun murders over there, in a year. That's scary.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by alistair View Post

      I think Jeremy Clarkson has ulterior motives.

      With everything that Alex Jones said which was a lot but might as well have been nothing at all, all I took from that "debate" was 11,000 gun murders over there, in a year. That's scary.
      But he indicated how it was FEWER murders than there, and the only difference was that here most are supposedly with guns, and there knives.

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      • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        But he indicated how it was FEWER murders than there, and the only difference was that here most are supposedly with guns, and there knives.
        Not fewer, but a lesser murder VS population percentage perhaps.

        If assault rifles weren't amongst those offending weapons which take down people in droves in one fell swoop the US could probably be boasting of even better statistics...
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        • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
          Morgan's ratings will likely go up from all the attention this "interview" has gotten. He should thank Jones for perhaps saving his job. Jones is an opportunist. How anyone can take this guy seriously is beyond me.
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          • Profile picture of the author John Durham
            Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

            Jones is an opportunist. How anyone can take this guy seriously is beyond me.
            Tim, I will just go ahead and say what Im holding back. I pray to God with all my heart that your life never answers that question for you. Because its hideous. Here is why I believe in Alex Jones and that what he does is good. This was the first vid I ever found of him, and I swear to God with all my heart and soul that this is EXACTLY what my grandchildren are going through right now.

            I will say this as well, some people like my family NEED to believe someone out there is taking stands. Please dont blow that belief for us.

            You cannot extrapolate on your own what is happening, nor rationalize it. Take Nancy's word. Its exactly like this. I swear, and it is a night mare every single day. So please dont shoot down our hero's. Its good to know at least SOMEONE isnt sitting back crossing their arms snickering calling us conspiracy theorists. Its a comfort to me that at least someone believes what we are going through because I can tell you from life experience this is absolutely the way it works.

            My oldest grandsons health records, prior to being in foster care, reported him to be physically and mentally , iq, the whole deal well above average in every way... he was bright, charming, alive, handsome, well groomed, confident....They have now allocated him as having emotional issues , a year after being in foster care, and have him on so many drugs that he cant function to even hear his own name and his motor skills are those of a mentally disabled kid. Literally.

            They dont take care of him, cut his hair, dress him right...he is so thin from drugs , he cant eat or think... He looks like an etheopean on TV now, and he WAS a husky beautiful very masculine and confident child before hand. Its the saddest thing you have ever seen. He is afraid of his own shadow now.

            He Was PERFECT in everyway. They are killing him, so they can make more money. As I said, its a nightmare.

            He has been taken from a loving home, where he was never touched, always loved, always admired... Into a world of indifference, and has been kicked around to 8 different foster care facilities including shelters, and has even been removed from two for abuse... Seperated from his brothers... And we can do NOTHING, because o0f the way the system works to keep children. They have RUINED him. Courts are so biased, they squash you from saying anything on record, dont accept your evidence... Its sick. They will make around 4 million dollars off of my grandkids over the next 18 years if I cant somehow get a higher court to listen, and they keep things out of the records to ruin our chances of appeals, falsify documents...the whole nine.

            Now they cant send him back home at any cost, because the stories he would tell would land officials in prison.

            A guy like you would probably say its all an excuse and our family probably deserves this, and its all conspiracy thinking. To us Alex Jones is at least raising awareness to what we are experiencing and that makes him a hero.

            I put this vid here for you, but I personally cant even watch it again because it will upset me for days, just like every visit when I go see my grandson, who was once healtheir than most, and now appears as a retarded, malnourished, abused child. Yes it kills me to say that.

            It has broken me so badly that I myself have trouble functioning.

            I dont hold your skepticism against you, but I pray that you never find out on your own how powerful government conspiracies are.

            You think these courts are bound by the constitution? Think again.

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            • Profile picture of the author Kay King
              Cowell has the good sense to stay in a clearly entertainment venue where he fits in well. I like him - in that venue.

              Morgan thought he was worth more than pure entertainment - he was wrong.
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            • Profile picture of the author Kay King
              Cowell has the good sense to stay in a clearly entertainment venue where he fits in well. I like him - in that venue.

              Morgan thought he was worth more than pure entertainment - he was wrong.

              Jones has a talent for highlighting some real trouble spots and issues - but then he takes the ball and runs so far "out there" he loses believability.

              As with any big disagreement, the gun issue has gray areas that, if addressed, could clean up the mess a bit without trampling on rights or amendments. Neither side wants to talk about that - they only keep screaming the same old arguments and making the same old predictions that start with "what if" or veer into conspiracies. Goes nowhere.
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            • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
              I don't mean to say everything he says is BS John. I actually agree with him on some issues, and even with gun control, he is fairly mainstream by today's standards. Like Kay said though, some of the more extreme opinions make him lose a lot of credibility among the public as a whole.

              Regarding your grand kids, I truly do feel for you and believe everything you say. I have read what you wrote about them before and admire what you are doing and have done for them. I have some experience with the foster care system myself although from a different perspective. I adopted three kids who were in the system for a while. My son was abused by a foster parent. I had the system tell me to put him on drugs but said no. I wish you the best in dealing with them John. I hope in the end they have happy and productive lives.

              Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

              Tim, I will just go ahead and say what Im holding back. I pray to God with all my heart that your life never answers that question for you. Because its hideous. Here is why I believe in Alex Jones and that what he does is good.
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              • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
                Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                I don't mean to say everything he says is BS John. I actually agree with him on some issues, and even with gun control, he is fairly mainstream by today's standards
                If you can make the effort to see the other point of view, I guess I can too.

                I don't like to admit it, but I can see where Pierce Morgan is coming from. After all, his country banned slavery 3 decades earlier than the U.S., if my memory is correct.

                A civilized discussion is possible. Maybe civilized behavior too
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            • Profile picture of the author seasoned
              Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

              My oldest grandsons health records, prior to being in foster care, reported him to be physically and mentally , iq, the whole deal well above average in every way... he was bright, charming, alive, handsome, well groomed, confident....They have now allocated him as having emotional issues , a year after being in foster care, and have him on so many drugs that he cant function to even hear his own name and his motor skills are those of a mentally disabled kid. Literally.
              YEAH, I've heard that same thing from MANY! I even saw some. One was a friend of a friend. OH, I saw him! I can ATTEST to how he ended up! I saw his FATHER! I can attest to how he was! The FOAF was slow and not bright at all. He did poorly, though he seemed like a nice guy. His father was a lazy bum living on beer and the income from the government for keeping his kid loaded up on drugs.

              The KICKER? My friend said that he used to be FAR better but that changed when he was put on drugs because of some teacher.

              They dont take care of him, cut his hair, dress him right...he is so thin from drugs , he cant eat or think... He looks like an etheopean on TV now, and he WAS a husky beautiful very masculine and confident child before hand. Its the saddest thing you have ever seen. He is afraid of his own shadow now.
              Well hospitals never even seemed to give me respect. By that, I mean that THEY should AT LEAST just give basic care realizing that as creatures on this planet THEY could cause problems they were there to stop. They didn't treat my mother, with alzheimers, any better. In the end, she required just about everything. I may never know what the REAL cause of her death was.

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        • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
          Alex Jones isn't a "lunatic" like people are making him out to be, and he was absolutely correct with EVERYTHING he stated.

          His delivery could have been better, but that's what happens when you are passionate about something - especially something as serious as this - because yes, it IS a very serious issue.

          Now, on the other hand, Joshua Boston did an amazing job representing us responsible gun owners.

          He kept his cool and did a great job of supporting us IMO.

          You can see his segment below:

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSt789ADZtg

          Not sure why it won't embed.. I'm not using https

          Either way, click the link and watch. Its roughly 8 minutes long, but a very good video.
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          • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
            Originally Posted by Whos That Guru View Post

            Alex Jones isn't a "lunatic" like people are making him out to be, and he was absolutely correct with EVERYTHING he stated.

            His delivery could have been better, but that's what happens when you are passionate about something.
            His delivery was an absolute and utter disgrace and it was exactly that which made him look like a lunatic - in relation to gun law no less which, given the sensitivity of the issue, should have been delivered in an ultra calm manner, by someone who was capable of doing exactly that.

            There should have been absolutely no form of anger in that debate regardless of "passion" and the finishing Brit posh accent piss take, although funny, was just a perfect example of his own ignorance for the practice of other countries.

            I'd be embarrassed to have that guy on TV represent my country.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            I was thinking about this as I listened to yet another few minutes of yap-yap about guns on a news show.

            We live in a society of "immediacy" today. We want immediate reactions to actions that occur.

            What we must also consider is not "conspiracy" but "potential". I don't believe for a moment that those in govt today have a wish/plan to take over the citizenry and thus want to take away guns.

            History shows that things could be vastly different 50 or 100 years from now and perhaps that is one good reason to resist further controls on what we own or what we can do with our possessions. We are not likely to be powerless any time soon - but failing to guard the rights we have could render us powerless in the distant future.

            Truly a sticky wicket.
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            • Profile picture of the author seasoned
              Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

              I don't believe for a moment that those in govt today have a wish/plan to take over the citizenry and thus want to take away guns.
              Look at what nancy pelosi said on the subject recently. You'll change your tune REAL QUICK! Everything else you said is dead on right!

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              • Profile picture of the author garyv
                I loved what Alex Jones had to say about gun control - and his statistics are right on. The UK has one of the highest violent crime rates in the world. He speaks like a main-stream 2nd Amendment believer when it comes to Gun control.

                However his theories on 9-11 are way outside of main-stream thinking - and Piers Morgan knows that. Piers was happy to let Alex rant on about Gun control - and even let Alex get an upper hand on the subject. Piers' motive was to discredit Alex's entire argument by making him look like a loon. Which is why he brought up 9-11 - which has absolutely nothing to do with what they were talking about.

                When Piers Morgan can't win properly - he brings on guests that he knows or assumes will make the opposing argument look "crazy". He doesn't actually "discuss" anything.

                He assumed a crazy argument would be provided by this "crazy" guest as well...

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              • Profile picture of the author Young Financier
                I'm just gonna put this here....


                I'm not mad at Alex Jones for doing what he does, although I don't believe a word he says. I just see him as a genius businessman who's filling a demand, IMO. If he doesn't feed the conspiracy crowd and capitalize on it, the next person will.
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                • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                  Originally Posted by Sean T Alexandre View Post

                  I'm just gonna put this here....

                  45 Failed Alex Jones Predictions - YouTube

                  I'm not mad at Alex Jones for doing what he does, although I don't believe a word he says. I just see him as a genius businessman who's filling a demand, IMO. If he doesn't feed the conspiracy crowd and capitalize on it, the next person will.
                  GIVE ME A BREAK! I have only heard maybe 12 predictions so far, but a LOT are happening ****NOW**** Others are setup. Some even happened, even if just skewed a little. Who knows? MAYBE he was RIGHT, and those planning changed their plans to help discredit him. What I am hearing right now, pertains to this thread, and has happened a LOT lately.

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                  • Profile picture of the author Young Financier
                    Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

                    GIVE ME A BREAK! I have only heard maybe 12 predictions so far, but a LOT are happening ****NOW**** Others are setup. Some even happened, even if just skewed a little. Who knows? MAYBE he was RIGHT, and those planning changed their plans to help discredit him. What I am hearing right now, pertains to this thread, and has happened a LOT lately.

                    Steve
                    Really, dude? Changing their plans because of Alex Jones? LOL
                    As for the things that are "coming true" any student of the Austrian school of Economics (such as myself) could've saw the economic changes he spoke about taking place. But that's Alex Jones' style though. Take a little bit of truth (5%) and mix it w/ majority lies. That way, when he's discredited, his fans can say "at least he's right sometimes."
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                    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                      Originally Posted by Sean T Alexandre View Post

                      Really, dude? Changing their plans because of Alex Jones? LOL
                      If someone predicted a MAJOR thing, and possibly even a time, that would be done by conspiricists, do you REALLY think they would enjoy doing it and leaving their opponents with a major thing they could point to? There has ALREADY been a setup as to WHO, MOTIVE, SUSPECT, and HOW! HEY, why don't you go after THOSE people? They have said SO much that has been disproven, etc.... And Alex doesn't have the time to even TRY to make so many predictions.

                      As for the biggest prediction I heard him make on that recording? We have over 4 more years for it to happen. It SOUNDED like TWO windows would be shut by february. One has been left OPEN! Who knows though, that one probably doesn't matter. The other one was been reset until maybe 2016. Anyway, the SUBSTANCE of what he said was proven right. It is like a person wished for $1000 payment from toshiba in december, and you belittle him on december because the $1000 payment came from IBM in november. COME ON! He STILL got the $1000.

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                      • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
                        Steve

                        The petition is a joke. UK humour. You keep him type of thing. No one cares where he lives. 95% probably had no idea he lived in the US. Why would we? He's just a chat show host.

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                        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                          Originally Posted by jimbo13 View Post

                          Steve

                          The petition is a joke. UK humour. You keep him type of thing. No one cares where he lives. 95% probably had no idea he lived in the US. Why would we? He's just a chat show host.

                          Dan
                          I just heard that from several sources and never checked. That is why I kept saying Apparently.

                          Regarding alex' predictions, the Y2K things wouldn't happen because of the computer problems. Some idiot in the 1990s was claiming that nearly EVERYTHING had calendars and that all would crash. They even claimed PLANES would literally fall from the sky. All that was STUPID! Most things DON'T have calendars, and most necessary operations that have to be timed don't even have CLOCKS!(They merely tick off relative time, and reset. They don't care when seconds, minutes, or hours occur) But MANY, surprisingly, believed that stuff. He has said some stuff, like the ET stuff, that is out there. I could have said in the 80s that they wouldn't do that. They haven't done it before.

                          Currency IS devalued! Gold HAS gone up. A major bank is predicting it will at least double AGAIN! They HAVE said the dollar isn't devalued. You can tell it is devalued because of how opec is acting, the fact that other currencies went up, though THEY have fallen ALSO, and the fact that gold went up. OH, and places like walmart said they would have to raise prices. China has been lowering their currency value to hide some things, but elsewhere.... HECK, the stock market is probably going up a lot because there are some companies with real value, and the dollar is going DOWN!

                          I didn't listen to all of them, or count, but if it includes 45 predictions, they should indicate fewer than 45 because a fair number DID materially come true and even more still have a chance to.

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                      • Profile picture of the author Young Financier
                        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

                        If someone predicted a MAJOR thing, and possibly even a time, that would be done by conspiricists, do you REALLY think they would enjoy doing it and leaving their opponents with a major thing they could point to? There has ALREADY been a setup as to WHO, MOTIVE, SUSPECT, and HOW! HEY, why don't you go after THOSE people? They have said SO much that has been disproven, etc.... And Alex doesn't have the time to even TRY to make so many predictions.

                        As for the biggest prediction I heard him make on that recording? We have over 4 more years for it to happen. It SOUNDED like TWO windows would be shut by february. One has been left OPEN! Who knows though, that one probably doesn't matter. The other one was been reset until maybe 2016. Anyway, the SUBSTANCE of what he said was proven right. It is like a person wished for $1000 payment from toshiba in december, and you belittle him on december because the $1000 payment came from IBM in november. COME ON! He STILL got the $1000.

                        Steve
                        Paint it any way you want. Alex Jones' prediction rate is dismal. Come on, man...you sound like a kid looking for every excuse you can to prove that there's a Santa Claus. Alex Jones' predicts nothing. If he were really revealing the truth about the government and their "secret" plans, they would've killed him a long time ago. The guy is a businessman and bit of a comedian...nothing more.
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                        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                          Originally Posted by Sean T Alexandre View Post

                          Paint it any way you want. Alex Jones' prediction rate is dismal. Come on, man...you sound like a kid looking for every excuse you can to prove that there's a Santa Claus. Alex Jones' predicts nothing. If he were really revealing the truth about the government and their "secret" plans, they would've killed him a long time ago. The guy is a businessman and bit of a comedian...nothing more.
                          I'm not saying he has special powers, or even that he is perfect. Only that it is predictable, they are too literal, and not fair.

                          Steve
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                • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
                  Originally Posted by Sean T Alexandre View Post

                  I'm just gonna put this here....

                  45 Failed Alex Jones Predictions - YouTube

                  I'm not mad at Alex Jones for doing what he does, although I don't believe a word he says. I just see him as a genius businessman who's filling a demand, IMO. If he doesn't feed the conspiracy crowd and capitalize on it, the next person will.
                  Actually I put Jones on the opposite side of the same coin as Michael Moore.

                  Both of them consist of 10% cold hard truth, 10% batshit crazy and 80% self promotion.

                  Same coin, just on different sides.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Young Financier
                    Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

                    Actually I put Jones on the opposite side of the same coin as Michael Moore.

                    Both of them consist of 10% cold hard truth, 10% batshit crazy and 80% self promotion.

                    Same coin, just on different sides.
                    Exactly. Again, I don't knock either person because I consider them brilliant businessmen and marketers. But when people try to use these guys as credible sources, I've got to say something.
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                    • Profile picture of the author garyv
                      Originally Posted by Sean T Alexandre View Post

                      Exactly. Again, I don't knock either person because I consider them brilliant businessmen and marketers. But when people try to use these guys as credible sources, I've got to say something.
                      And I would have to assume that Piers Morgan is just as observant as you are. So his agenda was obviously not to use him as a credible source for meaningful discussion. It was part of his campaign to find all of those that he thinks might be the most extreme and bring them on. Making it appear as though his side of the argument could possibly be mainstream. When in reality it's not even close.

                      This is precisely why no meaningful course of action ever happens after these tragedies - because there can not be meaningful debate so long as one side is just pointing and yelling out "CRAZY"!

                      Which is ironic - considering the root of this problem really does have to do with the mental health system in this country, and how we diagnose and treat people. A majority of these mass shootings have in common a shooter that was on a prescribed psychiatric medication.

                      Let's look at that - not guns - guns are just a tool. A means to an end. It's one tool out of many that could be used for the same purpose. Lest we forget that Timothy McVeigh killed over 70 people using nothing more than fertilizer.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Brian John
                        Originally Posted by garyv View Post

                        ...guns are just a tool. A means to an end. It's one tool out of many that could be used for the same purpose. Lest we forget that Timothy McVeigh killed over 70 people using nothing more than fertilizer.
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      • Profile picture of the author alistair
        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        But he indicated how it was FEWER murders than there, and the only difference was that here most are supposedly with guns, and there knives.

        Steve
        I think you only heard what you wanted to hear. The UK averages about 2-3 murders a day. Over there it's about 40, give or take.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by alistair View Post

          I think you only heard what you wanted to hear. The UK averages about 2-3 murders a day. Over there it's about 40, give or take.
          NOPE, YOU did! Go back and listen again.

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        • Profile picture of the author Fashion Boy
          Originally Posted by alistair View Post

          I think you only heard what you wanted to hear. The UK averages about 2-3 murders a day. Over there it's about 40, give or take.
          2010 - 12996 murders in USA | 638 in UK
          Guns - 8775 in USA | 58 in UK

          UK population is one fifth of USA
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      Originally Posted by alistair View Post

      I think Jeremy Clarkson has ulterior motives.
      Undoubtedly. He has a very longstanding and very public feud with Piers Morgan. They've come to blows, in the past (discussed - not shown - in this interview).

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      • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Undoubtedly. He has a very longstanding and very public feud with Piers Morgan. They've come to blows, in the past (discussed - not shown - in this interview).
        The War Of The Prats.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
    That was really entertaining.

    BUT...

    Alex crossed the line with the revolutionary war stuff (it's time to let that one go). Great Britain has been one of our greatest allies for a very long time, and I hope always will be.

    I trained with their army, those guys are extremely fierce. I'd want them on my side in any fight.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by David Maschke View Post

      That was really entertaining.

      BUT...

      Alex crossed the line with the revolutionary war stuff (it's time to let that one go). Great Britain has been one of our greatest allies for a very long time, and I hope always will be.

      I trained with their army, those guys are extremely fierce. I'd want them on my side in any fight.
      YOU MISUNDERSTOOD!!!!!!!!! 1776 was NEVER a fight against the british! Many on both sides WERE british! People on both sides had british families! The US existed for some time WITH the british. Afterwards they effectively became friends.

      NOPE! It was NOT against the british! It was FOR INDEPENDENCE!!!!!! GRANTED, it was independence FROM the british, but british could, and DID live peacefully, etc.... When he spoke of 1776, he was NOT saying we would go against the british. That would make no sense and achieve nothing. He was talking about going against the oppressors.

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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Will go on to say that the local dhs offices, make even MORE money if they can keep the kids in the system than they can if they adopt them out. If they adopt them out they get 6 grand, but if they can keep them from being adopted and keep them in the system, they get almost twice that much per MONTH.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Thanks Tim, and thank God those children ended up in a caring family, much admiration to you for saving them from the system.
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      It was without a doubt the hardest thing I have ever done. They were abused and neglected. I took them to therapy every week for years and ending up suing the school system over one of them and won. My ex and I were actually foster parents for a year first and then adopted them. It was too much for my ex I guess, as the added stress put her over the edge and 6 weeks after adoption was finalized, my ex left me with all three kids. Tough times. A little different from your situation, but I can appreciate what you are going through.
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Thanks Tim, and thank God those children ended up in a caring family, much admiration to you for saving them from the system.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        It was without a doubt the hardest thing I have ever done. They were abused and neglected. I took them to therapy every week for years and ending up suing the school system over one of them and won. My ex and I were actually foster parents for a year first and then adopted them. It was too much for my ex I guess, as the added stress put her over the edge and 6 weeks after adoption was finalized, my ex left me with all three kids. Tough times. A little different from your situation, but I can appreciate what you are going through.
        Wow. I have even more respect for you now Tim. No wife could ever replace what you will share with these kids, and what it will mean to you and them through the years, and I pray that you get a knockout woman who supports you in everyway and loves your boys with you.

        I am speechless at your dedication. As you know I lost a wife over a similar issue. She just didnt want to take on this battle with me, she went for a little ways but didnt want to go all the way...admittedly, its alot to handle, and admittedly I didnt have the wherewithall to be the greatest husband with all these worries on my mind.

        This keeps me up at night, it makes it hard for me to focus on business, it makes it hard for me to be there for anyone, because its so consuming. I think my work on the warrior forum and my friends may have saved my sanity more than once, and Im so appreciative of my friends here....just so broken, as you may have read I have tried everything.

        If I fail, I hope someone like yourself, who actually cares will step up. Dude, I dont know what to say. Many many props to you. One of these days these boys are going to get out and probably sue DHS themselves, and I thank God for the internet too, because in the worse case scenario because of the internet they will never not be able to find me.

        In the worse case scenario, I will dedicate myself to becoming a millionaire so that when they get out, they can be rewarded for all of their hard times, and I can really be in a position to help them, and show them that I dedicated my years in the interim to building things for them.

        I will write them letters on the internet, because eventually everyone looks up their own name. My friend, not to go weak on you but I could cry as writing this... It HAS weakened me alot. I know I will get up though, because I have to, or else they will never know how loved they were. DHS wants to drug them so badly that they forget.

        From now on Tim, everytime I see you I will honor you. You are a good man.

        To bring it back around, I dont think Alex is right about everything, but in this scenario, the goverment is so corrupt that it pains me to admit, I feel almost as hurt about our country as I do about the boys. This was not the America I learned about in school.

        Bless you man, and your children.

        -John
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  • Profile picture of the author alistair
    I was actually thinking more along the lines of his dislike for Americans.

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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by alistair View Post

      I was actually thinking more along the lines of his dislike for Americans.

      Clarkson on Americans - YouTube
      NOT TRUE AT ALL!!!!!! We can, and HAVE, said a LOT bad about America, but to say limited, and the people are all FAT, STUPID, RUDE, is just DUMB!

      Heck, I am not THAT fat, and many are THINNER than I am. GRANTED we have some people that are INCREDIBLY fat, but the same could be said for britain. Stupid? Well, that could be said of either country also. But it certainly isn't true overall. RUDE? You might not believe this, but I hold doors open, say please/thankyou, am considerate, etc.... I don't go into a place figuring that I deserve special treatment, yell, etc... I don't haggle, except when buying a car. and some here seem INCREDIBLY polite.

      As for the limited selection? It should be obvious that THAT is false.

      And he spent so much time just to put THAT dreck up? Talk about RUDE!

      BTW some stuff is driven by area. I went to one area once. It was, ironically, also low class. I went there because it was the only place I could get a decent price, for a hotel, at the time, and I had to cut back. Since I didn't notice, I guess people weren't very fat. They seemed to do things well, and they were polite. I have been in some very HIGH class areas that were ALSO that way. But there is one area I went to in the US. People probably weren't generally fat, though some certainly were, but they WERE stupid and "rude". I put rude in quotes because they might SHOOT you if they didn't like the way you stood, etc.... I didn't stay very long since a FOAF asked us to leave because we might get shot. Apparently, britain has the same sort of problem.

      Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by alistair View Post

      I was actually thinking more along the lines of his dislike for Americans.
      He's changed his mind completely about that, now, according to his recent Sunday Times articles. And is suitably embarrassed that he ever thought that way. Americans are very much in favor with him, now. It's just Piers Morgan he can't stand.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
    Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

    What a f&*in' loony bin.
    Hey buddy, where have you been? Haven't seen ya in a while. Gotta drop in more often.

    Just checkn' the statistics. It seems violent crime is up in your country. You too must be so very proud, so very proud indeed.

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    • Profile picture of the author bravo75
      Originally Posted by David Maschke View Post

      Hey buddy, where have you been? Haven't seen ya in a while. Gotta drop in more often.

      Just checkn' the statistics. It seems violent crime is up in your country. You too must be so very proud, so very proud indeed.

      Say hi to the princess for me.
      Plenty of nutters in Britain, no doubt. Alex Jones is a nutter extraordinaire.
      Hard to believe that this loony owns 50+ firearms.
      This individual not only needs to be disarmed, he probably needs to be locked up as well.


      P.s David, are these kind of comments really necessary? These kind of comments are ultimately what gets Paul to delete potentially interesting threads. Come on, man. You're better than that!
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      • Profile picture of the author garyv
        Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

        Plenty of nutters in Britain, no doubt. Alex Jones is a nutter extraordinaire.
        Hard to believe that this loony owns 50+ firearms.
        This individual not only needs to be disarmed, he probably needs to be locked up as well.
        Thank God for our 1st amendment here. If people were locked up every time they expressed an idea that someone else deemed crazy - half of our electorate would be locked up after every election.
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        • Profile picture of the author bravo75
          Originally Posted by garyv View Post

          Thank God for our 1st amendment here. If people were locked up every time they expressed an idea that someone else deemed crazy - half of our electorate would be locked up after every election.
          Anyone that actually thinks Bullhorn Jones is playing with a full deck, needs to have their head examined.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

        Plenty of nutters in Britain, no doubt. Alex Jones is a nutter extraordinaire.
        Hard to believe that this loony owns 50+ firearms.
        This individual not only needs to be disarmed, he probably needs to be locked up as well.


        P.s David, are these kind of comments really necessary? These kind of comments are ultimately what gets Paul to delete potentially interesting threads. Come on, man. You're better than that!
        Locked up on WHAT grounds?

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        • Profile picture of the author John Durham
          Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

          On the grounds that someone thinks he's potentially dangerous.

          Maybe they should start running surveys on potentially dangerous people and lock them up accordingly.
          Or just test them for bad "genes".

          Interestingly some of the most prolific serial killers have been known to have the most gentle personas.
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        • Profile picture of the author bravo75
          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

          Locked up on WHAT grounds?

          Steve
          It's just a saying. Like if my wife has had one to many, I say to her: "You should be locked up, you should."

          Just my way of saying that he came across as a bit of a nutter.
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      • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
        Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

        Come on, man. You're better than that!
        Ahhhg! You are correct. I publicly apologize to you and Mr Evans.
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    • Profile picture of the author bravo75
      Originally Posted by David Maschke View Post


      Just checkn' the statistics. It seems violent crime is up in your country. You too must be so very proud, so very proud indeed.

      Say hi to the princess for me.

      Where on earth is this hostility coming from? Have I done something to offend you?
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      • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
        Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

        Where on earth is this hostility coming from? Have I done something to offend you?
        Simple question. Tough answer.

        Since I was rude to you, and your intelligent enough to understand the answer, and will read the answer, I am compelled to write it out.

        Sometimes I joke around that we can't talk about politics, but we can get around it by talking about economics and sociology. Had I thought along those terms, I probably would not have been hostile.

        We have two guys in the debate. One guy (Morgan) accused of wrong doing and fleeing the country to avoid justice, and the other (Jones) not accused of any wrong doing.

        My question to myself, why would anyone say it is Jones who is in the wrong, he should have his guns confiscated and locked up? Conclusion: It has to be someone with a skewed moral compass.

        What I failed to take into consideration differences between our two countries in what is legally and socially unacceptable. A gap so to speak.

        If I were to live in Great Britain, I would probably super-impose Great Britain's standards (Legal, ethical, moral, socially acceptable) onto the U.S. and ask, "Just what in the hell is wrong with you guys over there?"

        As to Alex Jones with 50 guns. I wrote about the "collection mentality" in this post I wrote a few weeks ago...

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        50 guns? Pretty extreme in my opinion, but he may be the envy of all his friends. In Texas they might not see it as extreme.

        In my area, they sell safes that can hold 24 guns, also a lot in my opinion. But they've always sold like hotcakes. So a lot of people must have big collections.

        One question for you though. Your sig file, it can be interpreted a couple of different ways. What was the real meaning of it when it was penned?

        (5 or 6 guns? Still a lot in my opinion. But I could never afford that many. I took over payments on my father's-in-law daughter)
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        • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
          Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

          Yeah. You'd better get on that right away. Let me know how it works out.
          But that be my sport but I guess he's the one with the gun and agression!

          Perhaps I can at least boast of being more uglier....

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          Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

          Daniel, I must say that I have admired your posts for some time, and think of you as a gentleman, but I must be reading the wrong ones because I have never known you to be quite so opinionated.

          I myself have rendered some low blows in my time here, and engaged in battles where people hit below the belt.

          Then, every now and then, along comes one of my followers, who really looked up to me (celente) and stops me in my tracks with "I would have never expected this from you".



          I guess you are having one of those moments now, because I would have never guessed you would lack objectivity in the way this thread demonstrates. I can get over it, we all go through those times, but maybe this is a wake up call. I am a bit shocked by some of your posts here.

          -John
          I appreciate your words. The last post was jovial John. It's a saying in wrestling / strength circles. The guy is a tactical trainer. I appreciate I didn't make the transition well from being serious. As for other posts; I guess what is true of life is some people are very opinionated about certain topics. Rest assured, I'm not having a "moment" or a midlife crisis. I've still got that to look forward to...

          With that said, it's Friday regardless and I've got much relaxing to do with my new Ephiphone Sonador.

          Originally Posted by David Maschke View Post


          As to Alex Jones with 50 guns. I wrote about the "collection mentality" in this post I wrote a few weeks ago...

          50 guns? Pretty extreme in my opinion, but he may be the envy of all his friends. In Texas they might not see it as extreme.
          In fairness, (and perish the thought of me defending the guy), to me it was evident by his mannerisms that he just reached for an exagerated, random figure plucking it from the air to suggest that if he wanted to have 50, he'd have 50.
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        • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
          Originally Posted by David Maschke View Post

          One guy (Morgan) accused of wrong doing and fleeing the country to avoid justice, and the other (Jones) not accused of any wrong doing.
          I wrote this before, but he didn't flee the country in the slightest. Not sure where Americans or maybe just you picked this up from.

          Simon Cowell offered him a job in England presenting Britains Got Talent. After a couple of years of that Simon Cowell asked him to present his US talent show.

          That is how he found himself in the US. Nothing strange about it. He often comes back to the UK. No one harasses him or tries to arrest him for anything.

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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by jimbo13 View Post

            I wrote this before, but he didn't flee the country in the slightest. Not sure where Americans or maybe just you picked this up from.

            Simon Cowell offered him a job in England presenting Britains Got Talent. After a couple of years of that Simon Cowell asked him to present his US talent show.

            That is how he found himself in the US. Nothing strange about it. He often comes back to the UK. No one harasses him or tries to arrest him for anything.

            Dan
            Apparently, he has some outstanding problems in the UK. Some UK people apparently are petitioning that he NOT be allowed to come back. As for Simon Cowell? He probably figured that another Brit that could be harsh might be a good thing. Simon Cowell is probably pretty nice, etc... but he is often known here as being HARSH and some hate him. Here is a line from wikipedia on him: "As a judge, Cowell is known for his blunt and often controversial criticisms, insults and wisecracks about contestants and their abilities." A foreign civil lawsuit, or controversy would NOT dissuade him from hiring someone!

            BTW frankly, I kind of like Cowell, he is a lot like I used to be.

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  • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
    Hey, let's all get some popcorn and watch a movie together. Shall we?

    But what shall we watch?

    How about some Rambo

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  • Profile picture of the author alistair
    Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

    NOPE, YOU did! Go back and listen again.

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    Ok I went back and listened again and he indicated that Britains violent crime rate has tripled since guns were taken away, not that we have a higher murder rate.

    And I like it how he made out that Britain has a high crime rate because guns were banned back in the 90's. Guns have nothing to do with it because the only people that ever really owned them were either farmers, hunters or sportsmen, not any old Tom, Dick or Harry.

    But he spun it like that because he's no different to anybody else that want's you to believe them even if something isn't true. Talk about gullible.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by alistair View Post

      Ok I went back and listened again and he indicated that Britains violent crime rate has tripled since guns were taken away, not that we have a higher murder rate.

      And I like it how he made out that Britain has a high crime rate because guns were banned back in the 90's. Guns have nothing to do with it because the only people that ever really owned them were either farmers, hunters or sportsmen, not any old Tom, Dick or Harry.

      But he spun it like that because he's no different to anybody else that want's you to believe them even if something isn't true. Talk about gullible.
      Who HAD them doesn't matter! I, like many, didn't have a gun when boxer started talking about taking them. Gun sales SKY ROCKET when they talk like this. By skyrocket, I mean like over 400%. And many are to people that didn't have a gun. BTW nearly all are to non farmers for TWO reasons. 1. There aren't that many farmers. 2. Because of the need to maybe feed off packs, scare, and shoot long range, as well as them being cheaper and easier to get, they are more likely to get rifles. That is US thinking, but logical and it is true HERE. I bet it is true THERE also.

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  • Alex Jones went 'Guano Crazy'...(you can do with Piers Morgan what you like)

    Jon Stewart's take on it: 1/8/13 Daily Show
    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tu...apegoat-hunter
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  • Profile picture of the author simonjwarner
    Piers Morgan, bit of a dick
    Alex Jones, Nutjob
    Legally selling assault weapons, very silly


    Now you behave or we send you David Icke as well
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
    Legally selling assault weapons, very silly
    The AR-15 IS NOT an "assault weapon"

    Stop buying in to all this bullshit the media spouts off and educate yourselves.. jeez man.

    The media, politicians, etc - all of them like to just blurt things out, when in reality, they have no clue what they are talking about.

    Obviously you know how to use a computer - here you are.

    So go to google real quick, and research what the TRUE definition of an assault weapon is.

    You will find that they are ALREADY illegal. They were banned in 1986.

    You can still own one, BUT you have to jump thru so many hoops & pay ridiculous tax stamps that honestly it makes no sense to..

    Plus, full-autos are FAR less accurate. I don't know why anybody would want one, other than to say that they have one!! LOL
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    • Profile picture of the author simonjwarner
      Originally Posted by Whos That Guru View Post

      The AR-15 IS NOT an "assault weapon"

      Stop buying in to all this bullshit the media spouts off and educate yourselves.. jeez man.

      The media, politicians, etc - all of them like to just blurt things out, when in reality, they have no clue what they are talking about.

      Obviously you know how to use a computer - here you are.

      So go to google real quick, and research what the TRUE definition of an assault weapon is.

      You will find that they are ALREADY illegal. They were banned in 1986.

      You can still own one, BUT you have to jump thru so many hoops & pay ridiculous tax stamps that honestly it makes no sense to..

      Plus, full-autos are FAR less accurate. I don't know why anybody would want one, other than to say that they have one!! LOL

      Ok - Semi Auto - Still silly - Really bad idea to allow anyone to buy one in a shop, seems kinda dangerous to me
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      • Profile picture of the author garyv
        Originally Posted by simonjwarner View Post

        Ok - Semi Auto - Still silly - Really bad idea to allow anyone to buy one in a shop, seems kinda dangerous to me
        Just about every gun out there is semi-automatic. Semi-automatic just means that you can shoot your gun multiple times without having to manually re-load it after every shot. Just about every hand-gun and rifle made is a semi-automatic. There are very few bolt action guns being sold in comparison.

        And if your purpose for owning a gun is self protection - then it's more dangerous not to have a semi-automatic. Here's a good example of why - This lady was cornered in her attic by a would be attacker. She shot him in the face and neck 5 times and he still managed to drive his car away. No telling what would have happened if she had to pause to reload the chamber...

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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
    Oh yeah, and another issue I have is they keep saying that any mag that holds more than 10 rounds is a "high capacity magazine"

    That isn't "high capacity" at all!!

    The STANDARD magazines for my G19 hold 15 rounds.

    My 33 round magazines, on the other hand, ARE high capacity.

    There is a very big difference between STANDARD and HI-CAP.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brian John
    the last line of the second vid is great, "go back to where they took the guns if you don't like it!" lol
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
    Ok - Semi Auto - Still silly - Really bad idea to allow anyone to buy one in a shop, seems kinda dangerous to me
    Then I guess it's a good thing you don't live in the US, isn't it? LOL

    Semi-autos are not dangerous. NO firearm is dangerous. PEOPLE are dangerous.

    When the person holding the gun has the proper knowledge and experience to SAFELY operate, transport, carry, and store them, there is absolutely nothing to fear.

    Too many people these days have been taught to be afraid of these machines, instead of being taught firearm safety. It's really sad.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    A semi auto in the hands of an expert or novice is still often not as fast as some experts have done with revolvers. But a novice won't do as well with a revolver. HEY, some experts do decent with single shots as well.

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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    There will never be a lack of availability. Already there is work being done to come up with a material that would allow for the 3D printing of a weapon. Modern technology has already brought us past the point where availability would be a problem for anyone with the right resources.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    I dont own a gun, so I dont have an opinion personally, or at least havent developed one yet. This thread is helping that opinion develop though, and I think it would be good to have one.

    Ironically though, my grandfather died by being shot by an ex con who broke into his house while he was asleep, got into his gun cabinet and shot him with his own gun. He then took the gun down the road and killed several others...Interestingly that man is now up for parole and might get out.

    Edit: I was wrong on some of these details. Here are the facts with a link.
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    • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
      I dont own a gun, so I dont have an opinion personally, or at least havent developed one yet. This thread is helping that opinion develop though, and I think it would be good to have one.
      Its better to have one and not need it, than need one and not have it. ESPECIALLY if that lunatic is up for parole soon.

      Keep in mind that when seconds matter, cops are just minutes away.

      Ironically though, my grandfather died by being shot by an ex con who broke into his house while he was asleep, got into his gun cabinet and shot him with his own gun. He then took the gun down the road and killed several others...Interestingly that man is now up for parole and might get out.
      Sorry to hear.. that is why I also have a dog. I admit, I can be a heavy sleeper at times - but she has no problem at all waking me up.

      Plus she can hold someone off for a few moments until I'm awake. She can be VERY loud when she needs (or unfortunately, just wants) to be. lol

      Anyway.. gun shots are going off somewhere in the neighborhood right now. Luckily for me and my family, I refuse to be a victim. So I'm not worried about it. I'll just continue with business (or at this time of night, pleasure) as usual

      My pistol is holstered and ready to go as I type this, and my extra mags are too.

      So, the bottom line is this - crime, and criminals in general, are unpredictable at best.

      We should always be prepared. I didn't pay too much attention in boy scouts as a kid, but that rule did stick with me.
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      • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
        Originally Posted by Whos That Guru View Post

        Anyway.. gun shots are going off somewhere in the neighborhood right now. Luckily for me and my family, I refuse to be a victim. So I'm not worried about it. I'll just continue with business (or at this time of night, pleasure) as usual
        I can understand having a gun when you live in a dangerous neighbourhood where there are constant gun battles. The part I don't understand is why you continue to live there.

        Surely your family would be a lot safer if you moved to a "quieter" neighbourhood than they would than by owing a gun(s) in a dangerous neighbourhood.

        Also what makes you think that you can get off a shot at the bad guy before he gets one off at you. All the weaponry and training in the world isn't going to help you if the bad guy gets the first shot in.
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        • Profile picture of the author RobinInTexas
          Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

          I can understand having a gun when you live in a dangerous neighbourhood where there are constant gun battles. The part I don't understand is why you continue to live there.

          Surely your family would be a lot safer if you moved to a "quieter" neighbourhood than they would than by owing a gun(s) in a dangerous neighbourhood.

          Also what makes you think that you can get off a shot at the bad guy before he gets one off at you. All the weaponry and training in the world isn't going to help you if the bad guy gets the first shot in.
          Carrying will not completely protect you in all instances. That doesn't negate the benefit you might gain if you save your ass by stopping an attacker.

          Some people might find this article of interest Are You Crazy If You Open Carry?
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      I dont own a gun, so I dont have an opinion personally, or at least havent developed one yet. This thread is helping that opinion develop though, and I think it would be good to have one.

      Ironically though, my grandfather died by being shot by an ex con who broke into his house while he was asleep, got into his gun cabinet and shot him with his own gun. He then took the gun down the road and killed several others...Interestingly that man is now up for parole and might get out.

      I would give more detail, but I dont want to feed any trolls, and have them investigating my personal life with it...
      I respect your honestly and I hope you don't mind me asking you this question, but how did you not take that and conclude (and I'd ask the same of Who's That Guru) that it's also a bad idea to own a weapon for the fact that it can be used on yourself by an otherwise unarmed person?

      That's the message that's pushed with regards to knife crime in the UK.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

        I respect your honestly and I hope you don't mind me asking you this question, but how did you not take that and conclude (and I'd ask the same of Who's That Guru) that it's also a bad idea to own a weapon for the fact that it can be used on yourself by an otherwise unarmed person?

        That's the message that's pushed with regards to knife crime in the UK.
        Honestly, for years I drew the conclusion that guns couldnt protect because my grandfather got shot by his own gun... Participating in this thread is expanding my view a bit, and I know my grandfathers case was rare. As I said my opinion is re forming a bit, still not completely, but yes, for years I thought that guns couldnt really protect you all the time because of that.

        I do think the probability of them protecting you is higher than the probability of being shot by your own gun though.
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      • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
        You can only shoot one gun at a time so I think what many of us find strange is this need for some of your countrymen to be armed to the teeth. Almost like mini armies.

        That isn't about any Constitutional Rights or Protecting the family.

        An old service revolver would do that.

        So what gives?

        Who Is Guru if I could ask you because you say you have a gun right now.

        Your gun must be in serviceable condition and will remain that way longer than your lifetime if looked after properly. And you must have some ammunition. So apart from ammunition used say once every 6 months to ensure everything is in working order to check your skills don't go rusty would there be any requirement for you to have more?

        And if so why?

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        • Profile picture of the author garyv
          Originally Posted by jimbo13 View Post

          You can only shoot one gun at a time so I think what many of us find strange is this need for some of your countrymen to be armed to the teeth. Almost like mini armies.
          You mean like militias? That's actually written into our 2nd Amendment: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

          The purpose of bearing arms as regulated by the 2nd amendment is for the security of a free state. So would you assume that if the security of our state was in jeopardy - that those opposing us would be brave enough to do it with a single weapon capable of a single shot at a time? That amendment was written for the sole purpose of protecting the individual freedoms we have in this state. And the only way to protect yourself from someone coming at you with arms - is to be the bearer of greater arms. THAT is why some of us have many arms.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by jimbo13 View Post

          You can only shoot one gun at a time so I think what many of us find strange is this need for some of your countrymen to be armed to the teeth. Almost like mini armies.
          WELL, if you lock them up, and don't carry everywhere, what happens if the gun is in your bedroom, and you are trapped in your office? What if one fails?

          That isn't about any Constitutional Rights or Protecting the family.

          An old service revolver would do that.
          So you would want 6 shots ax, etc? You would be against someone that likely could shoot faster than you. If you iss, you may be DEAD!

          Your gun must be in serviceable condition and will remain that way longer than your lifetime if looked after properly. And you must have some ammunition. So apart from ammunition used say once every 6 months to ensure everything is in working order to check your skills don't go rusty would there be any requirement for you to have more?
          Guns aren't perfect They can fail. In fact semiautomatics are MORE likely to fail than almost any other. And NOW, you don't even know if you can get spare parts!

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        • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
          Just wondering Ken. Is there any limit to what kind of arms you have the right to bear? Is it ok to bear a nuke on your person while shopping at your favorite mall for example? After all, you can never tell when someone else might show up with a nuke and of course the only way to confront a bad guy with a nuke is with a good guy with a nuke.
          Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

          We have the right to bear arms, not the duty to bear the arms you deem fit. I knew a guy who owned a cannon.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            And that's why this argument gets old and tired - both sides get snarky and the arguments get ridiculous.

            The problem is we want to think we can prevent mass killings...and, honestly, we can't prevent them all.

            Gun owners are so defensive they even fight for weapons that have no purpose except killing as many people as possible. Anti-gun people can't accept a ban on some weapons without arguing for no guns at all.

            If those groups would meet in the middle and use some common sense, we might get something done. Fat chance.
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          • Profile picture of the author garyv
            Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

            Just wondering Ken. Is there any limit to what kind of arms you have the right to bear? Is it ok to bear a nuke on your person while shopping at your favorite mall for example? After all, you can never tell when someone else might show up with a nuke and of course the only way to confront a bad guy with a nuke is with a good guy with a nuke.
            I enjoy the wacky scenarios you come up with. But assuming this was a real scenario, I'd bet that even you would be wishing for a fully automatic weapon.
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            • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
              Hey, an automatic weapon against a nuke? No contest. I'm on the side of the nuke.

              Actually, it's a very legit question. Where do you draw the line? Apparently assault weapons and perhaps canons are ok for some. Where do you really draw the line? I mean, Jones and others say the main reason for the second amendment is to be able to defend ourselves from our own government. Well, our government's military is pretty sophisticated. Anyone who thinks assault weapons can protect us from our military is delusional.

              Originally Posted by garyv View Post

              I enjoy the wacky scenarios you come up with. But assuming this was a real scenario, I'd bet that even you would be wishing for a fully automatic weapon.
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              • Profile picture of the author garyv
                Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                Hey, an automatic weapon against a nuke? No contest. I'm on the side of the nuke.

                Actually, it's a very legit question. Where do you draw the line? Apparently assault weapons and perhaps canons are ok for some. Where do you really draw the line? I mean, Jones and others say the main reason for the second amendment is to be able to defend ourselves from our own government. Well, our government's military is pretty sophisticated. Anyone who thinks assault weapons can protect us from our military is delusional.
                Tell that to the Afghans. They've held off Russia and now the United States with not much more than that.
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              • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
                Hey, there's something we agree on besides hoping the Bulls beat the Heat!
                Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post


                Besides, I seriously doubt that the US military would attack American citizens.
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              • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

                Besides, I seriously doubt that the US military would attack American citizens.
                Listen to some of the stuff said lately, and you may doubt that, not that it matters.

                Consider this.... They used weapons ILLEGAL to own(You can tell by the sound that they are using FULL automatics, which are illegal in the USA, and have been for decades), and the police had to buy new guns to come close to succeed.


                IMAGINE if this happened in your home.

                Steve
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          • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
            OK. Hmm. Whom shall be responsible for keeping them from having them? I'm glad you have some sort of limit to the right to bear arms.
            Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post


            Do I think private citizens should have nuclear weapons?

            No, I don't.

            I don't think governments should have them either.
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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

            Just wondering Ken. Is there any limit to what kind of arms you have the right to bear? Is it ok to bear a nuke on your person while shopping at your favorite mall for example? After all, you can never tell when someone else might show up with a nuke and of course the only way to confront a bad guy with a nuke is with a good guy with a nuke.
            You know that a nuke would kill all involved, and endanger many others. A COUNTRY could claim self defense, but a person certainly couldn't. If you met a terrorist with a nuke, and brought another nuke, you have likely made HIS nuke that much more of a threat. He could even get out of the area and set it off elsewhere. Your only hope would be to trick him, or try to trap him and HOPE that he isn't willing to die.

            Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
    how did you not take that and conclude (and I'd ask the same of Who's That Guru) that it's also a bad idea to own a weapon for the fact that it can be used on yourself by an otherwise unarmed person?
    The EXACT words of the instructor who did my concealed weapons class was:

    "The ONLY way someone should be able to kill you with your own weapon, is if they beat you to death with it, because you've already fired every round that you have at them."

    When I carry in public, I always make sure that #1, my weapon is concealed. The only way anybody will know I have one, is if I should ever have to use it.

    #2, I always keep my hand on OR near my holster - especially when standing in line in front of someone.

    #3, make sure your carry position is only accessible by you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      Originally Posted by Whos That Guru View Post

      The EXACT words of the instructor who did my concealed weapons class was:

      "The ONLY way someone should be able to kill you with your own weapon, is if they beat you to death with it, because you've already fired every round that you have at them."
      That's already been proven untrue...
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      • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
        Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

        That's already been proven untrue...
        If someone doesn't know how to responsibly carry, they don't need to.

        Take extra training classes if needed before you start to. Your safety and the safety of everybody around you should always be your top priority if you do decide to arm yourself, especially in public.

        Now, in the case of John's grandfather, I really hate to say this but it should have been secured in a better safe.

        A gun cabinet just isn't going to cut it..

        @Ali, ok cool.. care to PayPal me the cash to move to a better area? No?

        Didn't think so.. lol I'll stick to my dog and my weapons, thanks

        And that doesn't make me a "victim" - it makes me prepared.
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  • Profile picture of the author alistair
    No offence but if you need a gun at the ready and a dog to feel safe of an evening I'd say you already are a victim.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    If a criminal is brave enough to break into your house while you are in it- chances are good that he'll try and kill you with whatever he finds available. The mindset to follow through with murder is not increased with the presence of a gun. Not when there are so many other things that could also be used as a lethal weapon.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      If a criminal is brave enough to break into your house while you are in it- chances are good that he'll try and kill you with whatever he finds available. The mindset to follow through with murder is not increased with the presence of a gun. Not when there are so many other things that could also be used as a lethal weapon.
      Thats even MORE interesting.

      The guy originally bashed him in the head with a can of hominy from the food pantry, and rendered him a vegetable... then when my grandfather couldnt talk, and the guy was interrogating him about where the money was... he got pissed went searching the house for it, found his gun cabinet and finished him off with one of his own guns.

      This is all publicly documented.
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      there are so many other things that could also be used as a lethal weapon.
      Isn't that a useful hint for those who carry a firearm?
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    • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
      Originally Posted by jimbo13 View Post

      Who Is Guru if I could ask you because you say you have a gun right now.

      Your gun must be in serviceable condition and will remain that way longer than your lifetime if looked after properly. And you must have some ammunition. So apart from ammunition used say once every 6 months to ensure everything is in working order to check your skills don't go rusty would there be any requirement for you to have more?

      And if so why?

      Dan
      Mine is a Gen 3 GLOCK 19 (the one I carry)

      It will last a lifetime, trust me. Plus I regularly take it apart, clean it, and keep all of the moving parts well oiled.

      As for my skills staying up to par, I frequent the range - it's actually really fun.

      Now, the requirement to have more question confuses me a bit - Do you mean more guns? Or more ammo?

      In my opinion, you can never have too many of either.. lol

      Different guns are for different things. For example, a pistol is more for close-quarters, where a rifle is for a longer distance.

      With pistols, there are many reasons why someone would want more than one.

      Depending on the weather, what you wear, etc, one pistol can be harder to conceal during one season than it is in another season.

      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      If a criminal is brave enough to break into your house while you are in it- chances are good that he'll try and kill you with whatever he finds available. The mindset to follow through with murder is not increased with the presence of a gun. Not when there are so many other things that could also be used as a lethal weapon.
      Exactly. If someone breaks in to your house, they aren't breaking in to bake cookies.

      They intend to cause harm, and by any means necessary. Gun or no gun.
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      • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
        Thanks

        Yes I meant more guns. I know your gun will last forever if maintained and I know you can keep your skills up quite simply.

        I was wondering about this.

        A pistol is all I would require. Close quarters as you say. That is enough for my home should someone get in with me here which is pretty rare in England anyway. Most burglars are opportunist.

        But a rifle as you say is long range.

        So why would you need one of those? Okay just saw your 5 acre post

        By the way I am not for or against you having guns in The States. It is not really relevant to me.

        Ken,

        Yes I know you have the right to bear arms, wasn't suggesting you lost that right.

        Dan
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    BTW,

    This was a guy my grandfather knew, he had ministered to the guy and gotten close to him, and had told him how he kept money in the house for safe keeping in a discussion. Also my grandparents had helped this mans family get on their feet. The guy claimed to have really wanted my grandmother, who is still alive, because one night he had gotten drunk and stabbed his wife... and the hospital called my grandmother at her request... when she got out my grandmother had given her some money to go far away from him... it was really a hate crime, but I guess he wanted money too.

    My grandmother happened to be at church that night. When he finished off my grandfather (which gets more gruesome but I wont go into detail, it seems he has some sick fun with a knife after my grandfather was dead) he hid across the street in the top of someones barn and waited for my grandmother to come home...but the police arrived shortly after.... so he went down the road and killed one of his neices and someone else. The cops found him hitchhiking in another state with a list of people in his pocket who he planned to kill.

    And unbelievably this guy might get off on parole.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
    Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

    I can understand having a gun when you live in a dangerous neighbourhood where there are constant gun battles. The part I don't understand is why you continue to live there.

    Surely your family would be a lot safer if you moved to a "quieter" neighbourhood than they would than by owing a gun(s) in a dangerous neighbourhood.

    Also what makes you think that you can get off a shot at the bad guy before he gets one off at you. All the weaponry and training in the world isn't going to help you if the bad guy gets the first shot in.
    lol, the bad guy isn't going to get the first shot when it comes to me. I guarantee that.

    My holster is completely one hand operational. Its a Fobus GL2-RSH.

    I can literally draw and be lined up for my shot in a split second, and with amazing accuracy. I passed my concealed weapons class with a perfect score, on both the written exam and the shooting test.

    Plus, I always have one in the chamber. There is no need to rack it first. It's ready to go at all times.

    And if by chance someone gets past me, or I'm not here, or whatever, my wife also knows how to use them, and she is a damn good shot.

    This is the south dude. lol trust me - it's not unheard of to hear a woman saying "does this pistol come in pink ya'll?" haha

    As for why we continue to live here, just saving up to move to the beach my friend. We don't plan on living here forever.

    But at the moment, we have 5 acres of land and a house all to ourselves. The price is extremely reasonable too, which also plays a part in why we are currently staying here.
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      Originally Posted by Whos That Guru View Post

      lol, the bad guy isn't going to get the first shot when it comes to me. I guarantee that.

      My holster is completely one hand operational. Its a Fobus GL2-RSH.

      I can literally draw and be lined up for my shot in a split second, and with amazing accuracy. I passed my concealed weapons class with a perfect score, on both the written exam and the shooting test.

      As for why we continue to live here, just saving up to move to the beach my friend. We don't plan on living here forever.
      How do you know of the skills another person might have?

      I'm a first class marksman.
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      • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
        Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

        How do you know of the skills another person might have?

        I'm a first class marksman.
        I don't -- but I do know the skills that I have, and I'm confident in my ability.

        Gun control to me, means hitting your target every single time.

        Plus, a criminal probably doesn't have too great of skills when it comes to actually firing the gun - or at least not accurately.

        I doubt criminals take their illegal weapons to the range to practice.

        And criminals typically won't have the equipment that I do.

        Most of them probably use some cheap ass Hi-Point because they are cheaper to get.

        But what they don't realize, is you get what you pay for. Those Hi-Points will jam in a heartbeat. Mine will NEVER jam.

        So if it's a Hi-Point versus a GLOCK, I'd say my G19 is going to win every single time.

        My firing pin is released after just 5 MILLIMETERS of pulling the trigger - faster than ANY other pistol.

        To make it even funnier, they will probably be holding it sideways like a "gangster"

        I'm not worried about it.

        @ Robin - That is exactly why I wouldn't open carry, even if it was legal in this state (well, not in public anyway. I do open carry at home, like I am now)

        Mine will ALWAYS be concealed when I'm out & about. And it will be concealed well.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Whos That Guru View Post

      This is the south dude. lol trust me - it's not unheard of to hear a woman saying "does this pistol come in pink ya'll?" haha
      Don't keep us in suspense! What's the usual answer? I haven't seen any pink guns, but I know they make some fashoinable ones for the ladies!

      Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
      Originally Posted by Whos That Guru View Post

      lol, the bad guy isn't going to get the first shot when it comes to me. I guarantee that.
      You can't guarantee anything of the sort.

      If a loonie bursts into the room spraying bullets, the chances are you'll be taken out, either incapacitated or worse, before you can even grab your gun.

      We're not talking about Hollywood, we're talking real life where good guys don't always win.

      However if where you live requires a gun for safety (real or perceived), then I hope you get the chance to move somewhere safe for the benefit of you and your family.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    I dont know why this article doesnt mention multiple gun shots but he shot him several times. Also there was some cutting that isnt mentioned here that was pretty sick, as if this wasnt enough.

    Edit: It does actually talk about the shots further down the page, but doesnt include the fact that it was my grandfathers gun.


    Here is a link



    Jack Greene was convicted in 1992 of killing Sidney Burnett, 69, of Knoxville in Johnson County.
    In 1991, Burnett, a retired minister, was bound and gagged, beaten with a can of hominy and stabbed twice. His throat also was slit. In November 1998, Greene's 2nd death sentence was overturned. He was sentenced to death a 3rd time in July.
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    • Profile picture of the author garyv
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      I dont know why this article doesnt mention multiple gun shots but he shot him several times. Also there was some cutting that isnt mentioned here that was pretty sick, as if this wasnt enough.


      Here is a link



      Jack Greene was convicted in 1992 of killing Sidney Burnett, 69, of Knoxville in Johnson County.
      In 1991, Burnett, a retired minister, was bound and gagged, beaten with a can of hominy and stabbed twice. His throat also was slit. In November 1998, Greene's 2nd death sentence was overturned. He was sentenced to death a 3rd time in July.
      Wow... that is gruesome. I'm sorry you had to live through that. I can understand why you would be very cautious and reluctant when it comes to owning a gun.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by garyv View Post

        Wow... that is gruesome. I'm sorry you had to live through that. I can understand why you would be very cautious and reluctant when it comes to owning a gun.
        Bravely, and altruistically I believe, my family still runs this ministry and it hasnt stopped them from continuing to help people.


        Edit:

        Just called my mother and confirmed the facts, I guess I had my story wrong. The guy did have a gun, the myth has perpetuated throughout my family that it was my grandfathers gun, because relatives have stated over and over that my grandfather had a gun right beside his bed the whole time, so "his gun didnt protect him".

        Somehow the story grew into that he got shot with his own gun... Somewhere I picked up that it was his...The article is accurate. Sorry about that.

        She told me that she went into the house with officers who noted , as she also witnessed, that my grandfathers own gun was loaded right beside his bed.

        Sorry for the misinformation. I think it makes the same point though that having a gun doesnt always protect you.

        So anyway, she confirmed the facts.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
    LOL Steve! 99% of the time the answer is, "yes ma'am, we do" or "yes ma'am, it does"

    For the other 1% of the time, the answer is "not right now, but we can sure order one for you!"

    Here's a few "girly" guns from one of the pages I follow on FB, just to prove that they do in fact exist





    And millions more out there. lol just do a quick search for "pink handgun" and you'll find plenty.
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      Originally Posted by Whos That Guru View Post

      LOL Steve! 99% of the time the answer is, "yes ma'am, we do" or "yes ma'am, it does"

      For the other 1% of the time, the answer is "not right now, but we can sure order one for you!"

      Here's a few "girly" guns from one of the pages I follow on FB, just to prove that they do in fact exist





      And millions more out there. lol just do a quick search for "pink handgun" and you'll find plenty.
      Those are 3D renderings.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Whos That Guru View Post

      LOL Steve! 99% of the time the answer is, "yes ma'am, we do" or "yes ma'am, it does"

      For the other 1% of the time, the answer is "not right now, but we can sure order one for you!"

      Here's a few "girly" guns from one of the pages I follow on FB, just to prove that they do in fact exist





      And millions more out there. lol just do a quick search for "pink handgun" and you'll find plenty.
      I was NOT disputing it! They made them even centuries ago for like "ladies of the evening", etc... Towns would pop up in the middle of nowhere, and there would be NO law, so SOMEONE had to keep them at bay. THAT is why the wild west programs show so many with guns. The police station where I live now only started 149 years ago! The ENTIRE department was people, so it was one officer for over 4000 people. TODAY, it is one officer for about 135 people. BTW, when the police station started there were already 12,000 people here, so you can see how futile it would be to protect everyone. Even 135 is way too many.

      Steve
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        Even 135 is way too many.

        Steve
        Maybe not Steve...

        From Wiki:

        In 2009 America's crime rate was roughly the same as in 1968, with the homicide rate being at its lowest level since 1964. Overall, the national crime rate was 3466 crimes per 100,000 residents, down from 3680 crimes per 100,000 residents forty years earlier in 1969 (-9.4%)

        So they are really only managing about 8-10 potential criminals per law enforcement officer, or less. Im sure it also includes alot of petty crimes...

        Assuming that they dont all commit crimes on the same day, the officers might not be very busy- DONUT TIME!
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

          Maybe not Steve...

          From Wiki:

          In 2009 America's crime rate was roughly the same as in 1968, with the homicide rate being at its lowest level since 1964. Overall, the national crime rate was 3466 crimes per 100,000 residents, down from 3680 crimes per 100,000 residents forty years earlier in 1969 (-9.4%)

          So they are really only managing about 8-10 potential criminals per law enforcement officer, or less. Im sure it also includes alot of petty crimes...

          Assuming that they dont all commit crimes on the same day, the officers might not be very busy- DONUT TIME!
          Well, they are taking care of criminals, NOT protecting people. The only 3 things limiting total chaos are.... Morality, fear, and LEOS, in THAT order! Obviously, morality is going down hill. Leos add fear but otherwise must be 1 to 1 if they hope to protect. So that leaves the FEAR the criminal may have. ICSM, but....

          Let me put it THIS way. I don't know WHY I call tech support. They RARELY solve the problem, and it is even rarer that it is quick. I usually have to do it MYSELF.

          Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Sorry for derailing the thread with a second tangent guys.
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  • Just what do you get for the Drug Dealer who has everything?
    Gold-plated AK-47 Machine Gun Seized By Authorities In Honduras

    Officials in Honduras recently seized a gold-plated AK-47 assault rifle that is estimated to be worth $50,000.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
    No, the first one isn't but the 2nd might be.

    If I hadn't been drinking (and if the local gun shop was still open) I'd go take a photo.

    They have like 7 or 8 pink pistols in the display case. Along with a few green and 1 or 2 purple ones.

    Obviously these ones aren't 3d rendered:



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  • Profile picture of the author robo916
    Paranoia run rampant....

    I carry a gun 24/7
    my wife carries a gun 24/7
    my two 5 year olds carry guns 24/7
    my dog "buster" carries a gun 24/7
    my kids pet goldfish carries a gun 24/7
    my kids teachers all carry guns 24/7
    my kids principal carries a gun 24/7
    I sleep on my gun
    I eat with my gun
    I go out on dates with my gun (no not with a woman, just me and the gun)
    I take showers naked except for wearing a holdster and a gun
    I give guns as christmas gifts every year
    Instead of candy, I hand out desert eagles to the kids at halloween
    When I go to the gym instead of weights I do curls by lifting up AR-15 assualt rifles
    instead of fireworks, I shoot into the air on the 4th of July

    America the beautiful...


    I've never owned a gun in my life and somehow I've managed to live 31 years so far. How the heck am I still alive? IT'S A MIRACLE!!!!!!!!!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author garyv
      Originally Posted by robo916 View Post

      Paranoia run rampant....

      I carry a gun 24/7
      my wife carries a gun 24/7
      my two 5 year olds carry guns 24/7
      my dog "buster" carries a gun 24/7
      my kids pet goldfish carries a gun 24/7
      my kids teachers all carry guns 24/7
      my kids principal carries a gun 24/7
      I sleep on my gun
      I eat with my gun
      I go out on dates with my gun (no not with a woman, just me and the gun)
      I take showers naked except for wearing a holdster and a gun
      I give guns as christmas gifts every year
      Instead of candy, I hand out desert eagles to the kids at halloween
      When I go to the gym instead of weights I do curls by lifting up AR-15 assualt rifles
      instead of fireworks, I shoot into the air on the 4th of July

      America the beautiful...


      I've never owned a gun in my life and somehow I've managed to live 31 years so far. How the heck am I still alive? IT'S A MIRACLE!!!!!!!!!!!
      And that despite the fact that there are more guns here than people. If you listen to the media - they would have you believe that it is a miracle that you are alive.
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  • HELL-O Kitty!

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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Every day of life is a miracle.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
    That's 209 area code you're thinking of
    No, I'm definitely thinking of Sacramento.. haha its not much better than 209.. either way, stay safe over there dude.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    That hello kitty ar15 one looks like a toy! I wonder if a robber might slip up because of the sight.

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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      Firearms are devices designed to kill. That's the fundamental difference.

      I can only hope the person on the floor is the cartoonist or whoever concocted that concept!
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      • Profile picture of the author garyv
        Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

        Firearms are devices designed to kill. That's the fundamental difference.

        I can only hope the person on the floor is the cartoonist or whoever concocted that concept!
        That concept? The point of the cartoon is to show that the guy on the floor is just as dead in each frame - and the guy doing the killing has the exact same motive. The point is - when you murder someone there is something wrong with YOU - not the weapon you choose.

        The root of the problem has to do with people and culture and has nothing to do with gun ownership.
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        • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
          Originally Posted by garyv View Post

          That concept? The point of the cartoon is to show that the guy on the floor is just as dead in each frame - and the guy doing the killing has the exact same motive. The point is - when you murder someone there is something wrong with YOU - not the weapon you choose.

          The root of the problem has to do with people and culture and has nothing to do with gun ownership.
          Yep, I understand that and the fact the gun is designed to kill is a solid reason why it distinguishes it from the rest of the objects and given that fact, it's so much more easier for a death to to occur regardless of intention.

          If someone wants to kill with a peice of rope, they might do exactly that and so be it, but they will have a hell of a bigger struggle than they would if they were to use the cowards option of lodging a projectile into someones head.

          The gun is the tool of a coward.
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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

            Yep, I understand that and the fact the gun is designed to kill is a solid reason why it distinguishes it from the rest of the objects and given that fact, it's so much more easier for a death to to occur regardless of intention.

            If someone wants to kill with a peice of rope, they might do exactly that and so be it, but they will have a hell of a bigger struggle than they would if they were to use the cowards option of lodging a projectile into someones head.

            The gun is the tool of a coward.
            Well, one of the most prevalent examples of knife technology in ancient artifacts is the SPEAR used to KILL! Bats were probably used first for that ALSO. Bats aren't made to be precise, and I doubt they had baseball back then! As for cowards? People are asking for equity. The REAL coward is the crook. But if they can wait till you leave, and possibly shoot you if you come back, it would be nice to make the odds more equal.

            Steve
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            • Profile picture of the author goindeep
              Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

              Well, one of the most prevalent examples of knife technology in ancient artifacts is the SPEAR used to KILL! Bats were probably used first for that ALSO. Bats aren't made to be precise, and I doubt they had baseball back then! As for cowards? People are asking for equity. The REAL coward is the crook. But if they can wait till you leave, and possibly shoot you if you come back, it would be nice to make the odds more equal.

              Steve
              Have to agree here Daniel really has no idea.

              You ever seen knife, its made to cut meat.. lol.

              I can also go to my local camping and hunting shop and by knives designed for killing, skining, filleting, fishing or I could just buy a battle knife or sword online.

              On second hand I could just use a rock seeing as they use those in some countries to kill people by way of stoning or lapidation.
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          • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
            Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

            It wasn't God who made men equal. It was Samuel Colt.

            Old west proverb.
            Then perish us gunless, mere mortals.
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  • Profile picture of the author bravo75
    Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

    I don't think he caught anything. Piers was being very respectful to this Marine and I think both men engaged in a meaningful discussion.
    Not that I like Piers much, but in this circumstance he acted like a gentleman.
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    • Profile picture of the author KimW
      Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

      I don't think he caught anything. Piers was being very respectful to this Marine and I think both men engaged in a meaningful discussion.
      Not that I like Piers much, but in this circumstance he acted like a gentleman.
      See the highlighted part?
      Ever since he came to America I've never seen him act like a gentleman.A court jester,yes,gentleman,no.
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  • Profile picture of the author goindeep
    Haha that is so weird I was just about to come and post this.

    I love Alex, I love his rants ans I love it when he rants on CNN live even more!
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    • Profile picture of the author bravo75
      Originally Posted by Andrei Rotariu View Post

      Haha that is so weird I was just about to come and post this.

      I love Alex, I love his rants ans I love it when he rants on CNN live even more!
      Although I don't agree with some of his views, I have to admit that Alex is quite the character. His piss take of the British accent at the end is one of the funniest things I've seen in a while.
      I also loved it when he called Piers a "hatchet man for the NWO". Hilarious.
      He actually represents everything I dislike about the gun nuts in the States, but I can't help but like the guy.
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      • Profile picture of the author goindeep
        Part of why Alex has millions of viewers is because A) he knows his s**t B) he is passionate and C) He is entertaining.

        @ Daniel Evans, you do realize Alex is making fun of you and the whole world just laughed.... er hem, that was a joke...

        I mean c'mon, you actually fall for it do you? Your supposed to be a marketing man and you fall for what the Government and what the Media tell you...?

        I'd say I feel sorry for you but I dont. I just think its funny.

        I dont know about you but I can tell you real life stories from my parents in Romania about how governments starve kill their people, I can tell you real stories about my mother in laws side with the Germans about how they let the Russians rape and kill their people because Hitler was a delusional maniac.

        Im not saying guns are the answer to non-violence, anyone that knows me knows that I dont believe in "one only" solutions. Like the old saying say's "Theres more than one way to skin a cat".

        But what I am saying is that disarming people, when the government in the US has proven itself to be one of the most corrupt on the planet, well that's saying something.

        For someone like you to get involved and start bantering about like you have an idea is actually a joke.

        Your a brit. I have been to Britain and it is a joke of a country! No offence but I almost got stabbed in London and almost had my head kicked in up North for walking home at one night!

        How can you sit there and comment on another countries laws, especially the USA's. They are a very unique place when it comes to guns. It is a much more complex situation and for you to fall into the media hype of "Guns V No Guns" is actually bizarre.

        America was built and revolutionized with guns. Not only that but some would say it has been the #1 deterrent against foreign countries invading.

        Clearly you do not watch Alex Jones or any of his programs because if you did you would know he acts this same way on just about every single one of his shows and all his major appearances on live TV News.

        This man lives and breathes what he says!

        If you think he is so stupid then why is he sitting there on CNN and with his own shows with millions of viewers that was built from the ground up?
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by Andrei Rotariu View Post

          Your a brit. I have been to Britain and it is a joke of a country! No offence but I almost got stabbed in London and almost had my head kicked in up North for walking home at one night!
          WOW, maybe you should visit denmark. When I went there about 20 years ago, I made a wrong turn, and ended up in a HORRIBLE area! People doing drugs, etc... But NONE seemed to care about the fact I was there, so I didn't feel that I was in danger. I told 3-4 danes about my experience, in different areas. ****ALL**** knew PRECISELY what street I was on. Yeah STREET! It was WEIRD! It was like one street over from where I was staying, which was a nice area.

          Steve
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        • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
          Originally Posted by Andrei Rotariu View Post

          Your a brit. I have been to Britain and it is a joke of a country! No offence but I almost got stabbed in London and almost had my head kicked in up North for walking home at one night!

          Hence over 1 million East Europeans coming here for a better life with their families. Terrible place. Millions of Romanians are going to have the right to come here soon. They are queuing up. They can't wait.

          America was built and revolutionized with guns. Not only that but some would say it has been the #1 deterrent against foreign countries invading.

          Who would say that? How exactly would a country like Australia where you live now invade the US? There is a huge army with the most sophisticated weapons available. That might have something to do with it don't you think? Mr Smith with a gun at home is not a factor.
          Not sure of your logic.

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          • Profile picture of the author goindeep
            Originally Posted by jimbo13 View Post

            Not sure of your logic.

            Dan
            Romania is a crud hole, we all know that.

            England is a much more sophisticated country yet their violent crime rate is the highest in Europe and about 4 times higher than Romanias... "bud" lol.

            This is why countries like China, Russia or for instance Germany or Japan would have never invaded:

            Most estimates range between 39% and 50% of US households having at least one gun (that's about 43-55 million households). The estimates for the number of privately owned guns range from 190 million to 300 million.

            The USA's armed forces:
            Active personnel 1,456,862
            Reserve personnel 1,458,500

            Lol... that's my logic right there.
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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by jimbo13 View Post

            Who would say that? How exactly would a country like Australia where you live now invade the US? There is a huge army with the most sophisticated weapons available. That might have something to do with it don't you think? Mr Smith with a gun at home is not a factor.
            Even at the start of WWII that wasn't actually true. It is hard to believe, but the US rationed everything, and actually encouraged WOMEN to work. Up to that point their main job was to take care of the home, etc... What if they couldn't have? If the US had only the military(which was FAR smaller and less capable), and no armed citizens, do you think it would have survived?

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        • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
          Originally Posted by Andrei Rotariu View Post

          Your a brit. I have been to Britain and it is a joke of a country! No offence but I almost got stabbed in London and almost had my head kicked in up North for walking home at one night!
          I'd say I feel sorry for you but I dont. I just think its funny.
          Clearly you need to re-read my post about stating my opinion isn't about patriotism and realise, if you'd stop for a single moment, that I certainly don't praise London in any way shape or form yet alone the collective pittance that is the UK. True to fashion however, you've resorted to Country VS Country riding on the deluded assumption that I'm going to spring from my seat in defense.

          Again, a prominent point has been so brilliantly missed. I'd say I feel sorry for you but I don't. I just think it's funny.

          If you assume that "nearly having you head kicked in" and "almost getting stabbed" in London stands even as a far distant, remote point to the debate then you need to seriously reaccess your stance and your ability to debate and judge debate in general. I guess this explains perfectly why you so readily praise someone like Alex Jones who is, in this instance, debating in a style which otherwise defies belief to anyone else who is half respectable to their fellow man.

          For someone like you to get involved and start bantering about like you have an idea is actually a joke.
          I'm glad to have provided such an expanse of jokes but rest assured I'll be "bantering" in general for a long time yet, as will likeminded people, regardless of who they are, what they are and *where they might live. Pay extra close attention to the latter.

          Clearly you do not watch Alex Jones
          Your common sense is alluring.

          Obviously being the fan in which I've clearly depicted myself, I tune in every day.
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          • Profile picture of the author goindeep
            Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

            Clearly you need to re-read my post about stating my opinion isn't about patriotism and realise, if you'd stop for a single moment, that I certainly don't praise London in any way shape or form yet alone the collective pittance that is the UK. True to fashion however, you've resorted to Country VS Country riding on the deluded assumption that I'm going to spring from my seat in defense.

            Again, a prominent point has been so brilliantly missed. I'd say I feel sorry for you but I don't. I just think it's funny.

            If you assume that "nearly having you head kicked in" and "almost getting stabbed" in London stands even as a far distant, remote point to the debate then you need to seriously reaccess your stance and your ability to debate and judge debate in general. I guess this explains perfectly why you so readily praise someone like Alex Jones who is, in this instance, debating in a style which otherwise defies belief to anyone else who is half respectable to their fellow man.

            I'm glad to have provided such as expanse of jokes but rest assured I'll be "bantering" until the grave, as will likeminded people, regardless of who they are, what they are and *where they might live. Pay extra close attention to the latter.

            Your common sense is alluring.

            Obviously being the fan in which I've clearly depicted myself, I tune in every day.
            Blah blah blah put the thesaurus.com and your copy of "The Student Success Manifesto" away because its boring an tacky.

            Debate?

            Are you high?

            You think I come to the warrior forum to debate regarding Alex Jones, guns and CNN?

            Wow!
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            • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
              Originally Posted by Andrei Rotariu View Post

              You think I come to the warrior forum to debate regarding Alex Jones, guns and CNN?
              Hell no, yet this be where you are...

              Originally Posted by Andrei Rotariu View Post

              Blah blah blah put the thesaurus.com and your copy of "The Student Success Manifesto" away because its boring an tacky.

              Debate?

              Are you high?

              Wow!
              I rest my case.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

        Although I don't agree with some of his views, I have to admit that Alex is quite the character. His piss take of the British accent at the end is one of the funniest things I've seen in a while.
        I also loved it when he called Piers a "hatchet man for the NWO". Hilarious.
        He actually represents everything I dislike about the gun nuts in the States, but I can't help but like the guy.
        Well, I haven't heard too much of alex. MAYBE 10 hours or so, MAYBE! Yesterday, hannity was talking about how HE never heard of alex until the day before, and how everyone was saying ALEX was the gun rights spokes person. He ISN'T, but they are claiming he is.

        Anyway, to explain why, he played two tapes. One was INCREDIBLY fierce, and maybe 5 times what this one is. One had alex crying apparently, though I have NEVER heard crying that way, and don't think the average man would even TRY to be capable of it. In short I suspect the crying might be an act. Although I myself have sometimes FELT like crying seeing what is happening and where everything is going.

        As for the NWO deal? OK, maybe morgan knows NOTHING of it! MAYBE it doesn't fit with their plan. ****NOPE**** That can't be, because only about a month ago the UN started pretty much DEMANDING it! OK, maybe they didn't plan THIS! Still, it IS a puzzle piece they needed! So SAME effect.

        HEY, if you are in a basin, and a person notices a big leak, points it out to you, and claims that some group is trying to drown you, do you just sit there arguing it can't be the case? Do you call him a nut job EVEN after finding that the group a month earlier said they wanted to drown you, and even met to discuss ways to do so?

        The OLD method used to be:

        1. Try to get out of the basin, and hopefully get help. Maybe someone can stop the water.
        2. Check out the facts on the group.
        3. If you have enough facts, convict the group or sue them, depending on the type of crime.

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  • Profile picture of the author CBusiness
    ia lways find tv / media debacles like this hilarious

    it's all still entertainment............. Until people do something positive with their time on earth..................... Pointless but entertaining debate......
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  • Is this really needed? Really?
    Amid controversy, Gun Appreciation Day set for Jan. 19

    Amid controversy, Gun Appreciation Day set for Jan. 19- The Daily Dose - MSN Living
    Americans love their guns and their Second Amendment right to bear arms. On Jan. 19, 2013, gun owners and tea party activists across the country will demonstrate their passions…Chick-fil-A​ style!”
    So reads the flyer from a conservative coalition calling for the first national Gun Appreciation Day. Activists are urged to demonstrate their support for gun ownership next Saturday by “turning out en masse at gun stores, ranges, and shows from coast to coast.”
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    • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
      Originally Posted by Andrei Rotariu View Post

      And your point is?
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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    Here's a good advertisement for gun control. If anyone tries to take away his penile compensators he's going to start killing people. Way to promote your opponents cause.

    Unhinged Tactical Response CEO Threatens to 'Start Killing People' Over Obama's Gun Control | Video Cafe

    Now just about every law enforcement agency will be watching him very closely.

    The problem with attracting attention is that it attracts attention.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

        He needs to be crushed.
        Daniel, I must say that I have admired your posts for some time, and think of you as a gentleman, but I must be reading the wrong ones because I have never known you to be quite so opinionated.

        I myself have rendered some low blows in my time here, and engaged in battles where people hit below the belt.

        Then, every now and then, along comes one of my followers, who really looked up to me (celente) and stops me in my tracks with "I would have never expected this from you".



        I guess you are having one of those moments now, because I would have never guessed you would lack objectivity in the way this thread demonstrates. I can get over it, we all go through those times, but maybe this is a wake up call. I am a bit shocked by some of your posts here.

        -John
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
    Aside from his "start killing people" comment, everything else he said is right and I agree with.

    I will not stand for some bullshit laws that are UNCONSTITUTIONAL either.

    If I wanted to live under a dictator, I'd move to a country that is ruled by one.

    PS, I'm sick of hearing all these morons saying "Australia this, UK that" - its all irrelevant.

    Those countries did not and DO NOT have a 2nd amendment, or even a Constitution. We do.

    Simple as that.
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  • Profile picture of the author SteveJohnson
    Two things.

    First: I live in what might be termed a 'medium crime neighborhood'. When we moved here, it wasn't. The influx of Mexican gang activity has turned it into one. The documented average police response time in my neighborhood is 13 minutes. A neighbor 3 houses down was the victim of a home invasion two years ago. I suppose we could move - but we've been here for 20 years. This is my home. I'll be damned if I'm going to get forced out of it because of a bunch of gangbangers.

    I have a sawed-off shotgun close by my bed (for those of you who just wet your pants, yes, it's legal), with 12 rounds, 6 per side, attached with webbing to the sides of the stock. It shoots a 15-inch pattern of #6 steel shot at 15 feet. At 80 feet, it won't penetrate paper. I also keep several locked and loaded 10mm handguns in strategic places around the house. My shotgun and my pistols are not for hunting. Their sole purpose is to kill a person if necessary.

    I saw an earlier post allude to an old saying, "God created men, but Sam Colt made them equal." I'm under no illusion as to my chances with a banger. In a close-in fight, I would get ripped to shreds. But Mr. Remington and Messrs. Smith, Wesson, and Colt have leveled the playing field to a degree, at least in my case.

    Yes, I might lose a gunfight with an armed intruder. But at least I'd have a shot at staying alive (pardon the pun) and keeping my family safe.

    Second: the elephant in the room. The Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution is not there for hunters and sportsmen. Along with the other 9 original Amendments, it was added to specifically reinforce the constructs of the Constitution, embodied in the Tenth Amendment:

    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
    The Second Amendment addresses the fact that the federal government was not granted the ability to disarm the citizens of the states.

    The Founders recognized that when a government begins to operate outside its constraints, as it does now, the people have little recourse but to take up arms against it. People argue that in this day and age, such action is futile, and it probably is. On the other hand, I wonder how many U.S. service men and women would actually obey an order to open fire on their fellow citizens when such an order would be unlawful.

    So to those who want to take my weapons of defense, I echo the statement of Mark Alexander of The Patriot Post: I will NOT comply with any executive decree, law or judicial diktat that violates my innate right to self defense, or the defense of Liberty enshrined in the U.S. Constitution, specifically authorized by its Second Amendment.

    This means I will neither register with, nor surrender to the government, any weapon in my possession. I am not in possession of any weapon, weapon component or ammunition that has not been lawfully acquired for lawful purposes, including defense of self and family, home and property, and most importantly, defense of Liberty in accordance with the U.S. Constitution.

    Some of you will pooh-pooh the above, and that's fine. Some of you will let your rights be trampled on and eroded until you have none left. That's fine too. But if you lose this one, how will you defend the rights you have left?
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    My own personal truth is that if anyone studies the book of Daniel to figure out whats really going on in this world, and how it correlates with current events...you would know that this stuff is all supposed to happen. Its not that strange, if you saw it coming... Every one of these world events has been predicted in detail. The beast is absolutely going to turn on the people. Thats just my opinion. If this post gets deleted at least I tried to get it in there, its not a "topic", just an opinion within one.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      My own personal truth is that if anyone studies the book of Daniel to figure out whats really going on in this world, and how it correlates with current events...you would know that this stuff is all supposed to happen. Its not that strange, if you saw it coming... Every one of these world events has been predicted in detail. The beast is absolutely going to turn on the people. Thats just my opinion. If this post gets deleted at least I tried to get it in there, its not a "topic", just an opinion within one.
      I won't state an opinion as to the reason or cause, but you are RIGHT about the outcome. THAT should be enough. We can reliably predict what will happen by looking at the 1900s. We don't even have to go any farther. IWIWATSM!

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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      Wow... Piers gets mopped up again...
      I didn't see any form of "mop up" nor a "cutting down" as that video is labelled.

      I seen a fair exchange with some very good answers from the interviewee. Reciprocation was fair.

      I think what's dissapointing is a lot of peoples eagerness to see this man dominated in debate than they are in the debate itself than any results or points they might arise from it.

      On the topic of the debate, I think the proposition to ban automatics only doesn't make any sense at all. It's a shame that such a firm stance which runs partially inline with my own views is so nonesensical.
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      • Profile picture of the author garyv
        Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post


        I think what's dissapointing is a lot of peoples eagerness to see this man dominated in debate than they are in the debate itself than any results or points they might arise from it.
        We are eager to see him dominated in debate because it's quite obvious that he's not really there to debate. This last guest had him pegged - he's more a bully not a debater. He interrupts the process of a normal debate by talking over people. And if that doesn't work he tries to corner them into the "crazy" corner by labeling them as uncaring or whatever.

        We enjoy seeing it, because it's like watching the play-yard bully finally get a punch in the nose.
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        • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
          Originally Posted by garyv View Post

          We are eager to see him dominated in debate because it's quite obvious that he's not really there to debate. This last guest had him pegged - he's more a bully not a debater. He interrupts the process of a normal debate by talking over people. And if that doesn't work he tries to corner them into the "crazy" corner by labeling them as uncaring or whatever.

          We enjoy seeing it, because it's like watching the play-yard bully finally get a punch in the nose.
          I speak only in the sense of trying to fish some jewels out of the rough rather than turn it into some sort of comedy show, since at the root of it, there's some pretty hefty issues.

          If we are in it for the laughs then we are as just as bad as the guy who's in it for the cash...
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          • Profile picture of the author garyv
            Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

            I speak only in the sense of trying to fish some jewels out of the rough rather than turn it into some sort of comedy show, since at the root of it, there's some pretty hefty issues.

            If we are in it for the laughs then we are as just as bad as the guy who's in it for the cash...

            Oh I'm not in it for the laughs. I much prefer the attempt at linguistic acrobatics and the failure thereof. I'm more of a train-wreck watcher. I'm just a rubber-necker and Piers provides some great accidents.
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        • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
          Originally Posted by garyv View Post

          He interrupts the process of a normal debate by talking over people. And if that doesn't work he tries to corner them into the "crazy" corner by labeling them as uncaring or whatever.
          Ah. So he's studied the modus operandi of FoxNews.

          Morgan was the editor of one of Murdoch's papers in the U.K. and still has questions to answer in the Hackgate scandal over there. Obviously during his stint at the paper he caught the Murdoch Virus.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    The more I witness Piers Morgan's interviewing tactics - the more I dislike him.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    I like Alex Jones for his marketing ability - and because he's entertaining. Conspiracies equal big money for those brave enough to push them. Some of them turn out to be true - many do not - but it's still entertaining to listen to the thought process. And to be honest - you could make the same exact prediction failing video for just about any major politician out there - including the current president.
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  • Profile picture of the author JustVisiting
    Piers Morgan "is laughing all of the way to the bank". He must fall asleep at night with dollar signs in his eyes. He will be thriving on the publicity. Controversy equates to more viewers which keeps his program sponsors more than just happy!! This guy is gonna keep annoying you guys for years if you allow him to keep baiting you.
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    • Profile picture of the author garyv
      Originally Posted by JustVisiting View Post

      Piers Morgan "is laughing all of the way to the bank". He must fall asleep at night with dollar signs in his eyes. He will be thriving on the publicity. Controversy equates to more viewers which keeps his program sponsors more than just happy!! This guy is gonna keep annoying you guys for years if you allow him to keep baiting you.
      I'll be the first to admit that it's good TV. I do like watching his show. But it's closer to a Vaudeville act than it is news. So I guess he's much more like Alex Jones than he'd like to admit.
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  • Looks like I'm going to need my guns to protect me from people like Alex Jones and James Yeager...
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  • Profile picture of the author bravo75
    All this debate is irrelevant anyway. Eventually, US citizens will be disarmed anyway. A population, armed to the teeth is a tad tricky to govern.

    In order to impose a one world government, Americans need to understand that they have to get inline and do what they're told by their German/British/Jewish overlords.
    Why do you think Obummer is in power? He's there to make sure that you become the same liberal pussies that Brits and Europeans are becoming. It's a plot.

    And that is what this is all about. Brits don't like it one bit that Amercians can own guns and they can't. All the fruitcake Alex Jones's in the world can't do a thing about it, no matter how passionate they are.

    My prediction for the next 5 years: Say goodbye to your right to bear arms.

    Bullhorn wasn't far off when he called Piers a "hatchet man for the NWO"
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    • Profile picture of the author garyv
      Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

      All this debate is irrelevant anyway. Eventually, US citizens will be disarmed anyway. A population, armed to the teeth is a tad tricky to govern.

      In order to impose a one world government, Americans need to understand that they have to get inline and do what they're told by their German/British/Jewish overlords.
      Why do you think Obummer is in power? He's there to make sure that you become the same liberal pussies that Brits and Europeans are becoming. It's a plot.

      And that is what this is all about. Brits don't like it one bit that Amercians can own guns and they can't. All the fruitcake Alex Jones's in the world can't do a thing about it, no matter how passionate they are.

      My prediction for the next 5 years: Say goodbye to your right to bear arms.

      Bullhorn wasn't far off when he called Piers a "hatchet man for the NWO"
      You should be making money doing it too. You can stir up a crowd as good as the best of them.
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    • Profile picture of the author LarryC
      Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

      All this debate is irrelevant anyway. Eventually, US citizens will be disarmed anyway. A population, armed to the teeth is a tad tricky to govern.

      In order to impose a one world government, Americans need to understand that they have to get inline and do what they're told by their German/British/Jewish overlords.
      Why do you think Obummer is in power? He's there to make sure that you become the same liberal pussies that Brits and Europeans are becoming. It's a plot.

      And that is what this is all about. Brits don't like it one bit that Amercians can own guns and they can't. All the fruitcake Alex Jones's in the world can't do a thing about it, no matter how passionate they are.

      My prediction for the next 5 years: Say goodbye to your right to bear arms.

      Bullhorn wasn't far off when he called Piers a "hatchet man for the NWO"
      There's some truth here, but I don't believe the U.S. population will ever be disarmed. It's too deeply rooted in the culture. They have many ways to control people without resorting to this.

      There will probably be more gun control, such as on assault weapons but that's a far cry from completely disarming the population. There are so many millions of guns in the U.S., and people buy more every time there's a threat of stricter laws. How could they possibly force everyone to turn them all in?

      Btw, weren't you arguing in favor of gun control on another thread just recently?
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

      All this debate is irrelevant anyway. Eventually, US citizens will be disarmed anyway. A population, armed to the teeth is a tad tricky to govern.

      In order to impose a one world government, Americans need to understand that they have to get inline and do what they're told by their German/British/Jewish overlords.
      Why do you think Obummer is in power? He's there to make sure that you become the same liberal pussies that Brits and Europeans are becoming. It's a plot.

      And that is what this is all about. Brits don't like it one bit that Amercians can own guns and they can't. All the fruitcake Alex Jones's in the world can't do a thing about it, no matter how passionate they are.

      My prediction for the next 5 years: Say goodbye to your right to bear arms.

      Bullhorn wasn't far off when he called Piers a "hatchet man for the NWO"
      I dislike much of what you said, but it is right. Even if not the group, or intent,(OR TIME), the method and end result are the same.

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    BTW there are a LOT of legal weapons out there that AREN'T registered. Many are owned by people that haven't registered. Many are hidden. They even reload the ammunition. They may even make the powder, etc...

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      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      BTW there are a LOT of legal weapons out there that AREN'T registered. Many are owned by people that haven't registered. Many are hidden. They even reload the ammunition. They may even make the powder, etc...

      Steve
      Yep. In SC, you don't need a permit to buy a gun, nor do you have to register it. And I know plenty of owners who reload their brass instead of buying ammo. They are sitting on literally THOUSANDS of rounds for all sorts of calibers.
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      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      BTW there are a LOT of legal weapons out there that AREN'T registered. Many are owned by people that haven't registered. Many are hidden. They even reload the ammunition. They may even make the powder, etc...

      Steve
      That's very true. They could ban all registered weapons and there'd still be millions of guns in the United States. There are a lot of hand-me-down guns that have been passed from grandfather to father to son that have never seen paper work.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by garyv View Post

        That's very true. They could ban all registered weapons and there'd still be millions of guns in the United States. There are a lot of hand-me-down guns that have been passed from grandfather to father to son that have never seen paper work.
        I was actually given a few, but I kept them at the house of the person that gave them to me, and his estranged relatives came by and took EVERYTHING, when he died, before we knew it. 8-( I hadn't even thought about THAT! Some people have guns and THEY don't even know it.

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    Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

    He's there to make sure that you become the same liberal pussies that Brits and Europeans are becoming. It's a plot.

    And that is what this is all about. Brits don't like it one bit that Amercians can own guns and they can't.
    I'm English first, British second but I'll never consider myself European, and I'm definitely not a liberal.

    I've also never wanted to own a gun and to say Brits don't like it one bit that Americans can own guns and we can't is completely stupid. I've never heard anybody say they wished they could own a gun, ever.

    And I will say that even though I think guns are a bad idea and I also thought they should be banned in America, after reading this thread I have somewhat changed my mind. For one it is none of my business, another is that guns are a part of everyday life over there and another is that it's more importantly about keeping their rights.

    I still think that Alex Jones looked like a fool though and displayed all the charactersitics of a stereotypical American.
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    • Profile picture of the author garyv
      Originally Posted by alistair View Post


      I still think that Alex Jones looked like a fool though and displayed all the charactersitics of a stereotypical American.

      I pretty much agree - and it's precisely why Piers had him on. Most stereotypes are created by people wishing to push an agenda. Stereotypes are laced in truths, but those truths are usually over exaggerated. The typical American stereotype is a fat, dumb, lazy slob that hangs out at McDonalds with an m-16 and a Bible. It's an agenda pushed by liberal media. I say liberal because this stereotype is identical to the stereotype they push for Republicans. But anyway you're right - Alex fits into that mold pretty well. He's no where near the typical American - but he's just like the stereotype.
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      • Profile picture of the author LarryC
        Originally Posted by garyv View Post

        I pretty much agree - and it's precisely why Piers had him on. Most stereotypes are created by people wishing to push an agenda. Stereotypes are laced in truths, but those truths are usually over exaggerated. The typical American stereotype is a fat, dumb, lazy slob that hangs out at McDonalds with an m-16 and a Bible. It's an agenda pushed by liberal media. I say liberal because this stereotype is identical to the stereotype they push for Republicans. But anyway you're right - Alex fits into that mold pretty well. He's no where near the typical American - but he's just like the stereotype.
        That's why I don't spend a lot of time worrying about the whole gun issue. The very fact that it's constantly pushed in our faces (from both sides) makes me suspect it's mostly a diversion.

        I'm neither pro nor anti-gun. I believe in the 2nd Amendment, but to be honest I don't think it's nearly as big of an issue as it's made out to be. I don't think our liberty is ultimately going to depend on armed militias stopping tyranny. Nor do I believe that the government is going to disarm everybody (whether they want to or not).

        The government and media are both very good at getting people excited, angry and fearful on certain emotional issues. Meanwhile the real agenda is being played out elsewhere.
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        • Profile picture of the author garyv
          Originally Posted by LarryC View Post

          That's why I don't spend a lot of time worrying about the whole gun issue. The very fact that it's constantly pushed in our faces (from both sides) makes me suspect it's mostly a diversion.

          I'm neither pro nor anti-gun. I believe in the 2nd Amendment, but to be honest I don't think it's nearly as big of an issue as it's made out to be. I don't think our liberty is ultimately going to depend on armed militias stopping tyranny. Nor do I believe that the government is going to disarm everybody (whether they want to or not).

          The government and media are both very good at getting people excited, angry and fearful on certain emotional issues. Meanwhile the real agenda is being played out elsewhere.
          You know I haven't really thought about that (which is kind of the point I guess) But you're right. Our debt crisis is a much bigger problem than this by far. You wouldn't know that though listening to the news. Obama/Biden taking away our guns is the news of the day. Who cares that our dollar will soon be worthless and we're all going to be fighting for food soon. Just so long as no one can shoot me when the riots break out... wait.... I'm starting to sound like Alex now.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Guys,

    check out what happened in 1933AD. I could point to so much more, but.... Tell me then how you feel

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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      The crazy guy who said he would start killing people had his gun carry permit taken away from him by the state. lol

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        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        The crazy guy who said he would start killing people had his gun carry permit taken away from him by the state. lol

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        And rightfully so.

        Everything else he said is absolutely right - NOT the part where he said he would start killing people.

        But you can't go around threatening stuff like that, regardless of if its an empty threat or if he's just blowing off steam. That wasn't cool.

        I'm surprised it took them as long as it did to revoke his permit to be honest.
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      • Profile picture of the author garyv
        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        The crazy guy who said he would start killing people had his gun carry permit taken away from him by the state. lol

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        You see- case in point. Any time someone is passionate about his rights or the constitution, he's labeled "crazy" by liberals. Let the stereotyping begin.


        Here is his response...

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        • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
          Originally Posted by garyv View Post

          Any time someone is passionate about his rights or the constitution, he's labeled "crazy" by liberals
          His unstable demeanour, referencing being angry, then actually being angry may suggest to someone that knows no different, that he's actually passionate about Trenbolone...
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          • Profile picture of the author garyv
            Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

            His unstable demeanour, referencing being angry, then actually being angry may suggest to someone that knows no different, that he's actually passionate about Trenbolone...

            That may be true - it wouldn't be the first time the pharmaceutical companies helped push an impassioned person into a crazy rage. But his love of the 2nd amendment is not itself crazy.
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        • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
          Funny how anytime a crazy wing nut job starts talking about shooting people, he's defended by $#@#$#@ives. By the way, do you think his response makes him look any better? :/
          Originally Posted by garyv View Post

          You see- case in point. Any time someone is passionate about his rights or the constitution, he's labeled "crazy" by liberals.
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
            Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

            Funny how anytime a crazy wing nut job starts talking about shooting people, he's defended by conservatives. By the way, do you think his response makes him look any better? :/
            Why label anyone at all? There are crazies enough on all sides.

            But blowing off steam in and of itself is not necessarily crazy. I mean, let's be honest - how many things have we all said that in retrospect we probably shouldn't have?
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            • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
              Labels are useful. How else do we describe crazy people? I think I better take the conservative label out though because ...
              Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

              Why label anyone at all? There are crazies enough on all sides.

              But blowing off steam in and of itself is not necessarily crazy. I mean, let's be honest - how many things have we all said that in retrospect we probably shouldn't have?
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              • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
                Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                Labels are useful. How else do we describe crazy people? I think I better take the conservative label out though because ...
                Labels CAN be useful - until they're mis-used. Then they can simply be mean.

                Or something...

                Labels simply make people FEEL better: "Well, they don't think like me, so... they must be nutty. Which means I must NOT be. I feel better now."

                See?

                (btw - just being cheeky here)
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    I wish I could say what hypocrite now has lifetime personal security.

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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Well I COULD talk about a person that used terminology that has been around for CENTURIES, and is in common usage with a certain meaning, graphics and all, and a group said she was endorsing murder. Later, that VERY SAME GROUP used the SAME TERMS, and EVEN similar graphics for the SAME purpose! HECK, the term is used HERE all the time! It is used in the computer industry all the time. And in NONE of the above cases did it or does it have ANYTHING to do with guns, violence, or anything of the sort.

    GRANTED it can mean aiming at a place a bullet should go, but it also has to do with aiming at a place on a map or a given group, NOT to hurt, but to advertise, talk to, go to, sell to, etc...

    It IS often a two dimensional surface so OBVIOUSLY, to be precise, you have to have X and Y coordinates. A large spot hides detail. A small spot would be potentially impossible to see. WHAT do you think the best way and, SURPRISE, the most common way, to indicate it would look like?

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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Well, I think I will try to bow out of this thread now. But fashionboy. I don't think those are legit, but try adding brazil as well. It might get interesting. and weigh it by population.

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  • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
    I have a question for anyone who might agree with Piers Morgan. I'm writing an article/review of that video. I'd like to hear from someone from Great Britain if possible.

    I know you believe in gun control. But does Great Britain also perform abortions? And do you agree with abortions?

    If so, how do you remedy the contradiction in your mind? I mean, your against people getting killed, you're against children getting killed, except if it's a very young baby.

    I know, someone is gonna say it's a political or religious question, but it really isn't. Just because that topic comes up in political and religious venues, it obviously doesn't mean it's exclusively political and/or religious.

    This is very scientific in nature. It will attempt to answer the question if this contradiction can lead to mental instability and the inability to sexually climax, and lead to the De-valuing of human life within a society (which of course is very dangerous, we wouldn't want that)

    Thanks so much for your help in advance. I have to get to writing the article now.

    (anyone who agrees with Piers, feel free to chime in)

    Oh... there is one other portion of this study. One question.

    If you don't like Alex Jones, you definetly won't like Ann Barnhardt. She's even more loud and opinionated.

    The question is... can you please state for the record, what is her long tie pointing to?



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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      Originally Posted by David Maschke View Post

      I have a question for anyone who might agree with Piers Morgan. I'm writing an article/review of that video. I'd like to hear from someone from Great Britain if possible.

      I know you believe in gun control. But does Great Britain also perform abortions? And do you agree with abortions?

      If so, how do you remedy the contradiction in your mind? I mean, your against people getting killed, you're against children getting killed, except if it's a very young baby.
      Surely we aren't at a Country VS Country or Piers VS The American level again?

      ...and how do you make a blanket assumption that everyone in Britian condones abortion?

      http://www.abort67.co.uk/

      What a jarred hypothesis to begin a study with!
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  • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
    Hmmm... an un-identified individual, presumably male, has neither put himself within the control group, nor has he identified himself as part of the "radical anti-constitution fanatic" segment of society.

    this will definitely throw off my statistical analysis of my study.

    I should have asked how the subject felt about their mother after answering the question about the tie. Darn-it.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
    Please re-read the questions Mr. Evans. The questions are...
    1. Is there abortions in GB?
    2. And do you agree with that practice?

    You're an intelligent man, Mr. Evans. You can clearly see there is no blanket statement about everyone in Britian condoning abortion. That just isn't good logic for science.

    As to your first question. Are you trying to hinder the progress of science with a question? It's just a study for a small article.

    Thanks so much, and I'm really looking forward to your future cooperation.
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    This is where others will jump in against this study, because there will be a feeling of safety within large numbers of people. Sociology is a great predictor of individual and group actions.
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    Hmmm... subject showing very subtle signs of aggression, may become more overt. Resorting to name-calling of a science experiment. I cannot say this subject is part of the "radical anti-constitution fanatic" segment of society, as he is not bound by our laws. I should have made a separate study for that segment. That's what science is for, to learn.
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      David, I overlooked your post and you weren't establishing a hypothesis as you state so you have my sincere appologies for that with a glistening cherry on the top. There's a richly buttered scone for you too if you'd accept as an apt atonement.

      I can only trust you venturing into the patriotic realms is justified for your up and coming article which I look forward to reading.

      All the best!
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      • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
        Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

        David, I overlooked your post and you weren't establishing a hypothesis as you state so you have my sincere appologies for that with a glistening cherry on the top. There's a richly buttered scone for you too if you'd accept as an apt atonement.

        I can only trust you venturing into the patriotic realms is justified for your up and coming article which I look forward to reading.

        All the best!
        Thanks Mr. Evans!

        Note to self: Mr. Evans is both charming and intelligent. He could easily beat the pants off of me in a real debate if he wanted. Tread carefully around him.
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    A male who showing no signs he has an irrational fear of the boogy-man with an assault rifle hiding under his bed, and thus not making any irrational demands that millions of individuals give up their personal possessions in an attempt to alleviate himself of this fear.

    If this kind of rational behavior continues I may have to extend the study and ask for federal funding.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Her tie seems to be incredibly long, or maybe it is just wide, and improperly tied. They SHOULD be tied around the center. Too short, and it will be ugly. Too long, and you have what SHE has.

    Fells Wargo? CUTE!

    Bonds are loans in reverse! As they make more each day with loans, they LOSE each day with bonds. Some countries in EUROPE were hurt by such American bonds in 2008!

    If there is such a problem with a bank, they should be FORBIDDEN to issue bonds. In fact, custom and tradition dictates that, as they approach that point, they pay MORE interest, which means they lose money faster. THAT is why such bonds are often called JUNK bonds!

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  • Profile picture of the author SteveJohnson
    The guy in the video is exactly the type who the gun-grabbing, big government folks are afraid of, and want to disarm - someone who will fight when government tries to overstep its lawful bounds. He's pissed off, and willing to defend his rights. People like him scare the crap out of those who want to control the population, and the sheep who are willing to subjugate themselves to that control so they can feel 'safe'.

    Defense against out-of-control government is exactly why the Second Amendment is there, futile though it may be. I have a feeling we're going to witness more events like Ruby Ridge and Waco in the near future.
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    • Profile picture of the author bravo75
      Originally Posted by David Maschke View Post

      Hey buddy, where have you been? Haven't seen ya in a while. Gotta drop in more often.

      Just checkn' the statistics. It seems violent crime is up in your country. You too must be so very proud, so very proud indeed.

      Say hi to the princess for me.
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      The guy in the video is exactly the type who the gun-grabbing, big government folks are afraid of, and want to disarm - someone who will fight when government tries to overstep its lawful bounds. He's pissed off, and willing to defend his rights. People like him scare the crap out of those who want to control the population, and the sheep who are willing to subjugate themselves to that control so they can feel 'safe'.

      Defense against out-of-control government is exactly why the Second Amendment is there, futile though it may be. I have a feeling we're going to witness more events like Ruby Ridge and Waco in the near future.
      Oh, it's coming. However, this time it won't be the ATF, it will be NWO drones doing the whacking.
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        Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

        Oh, it's coming. However, this time it won't be the ATF, it will be NWO drones doing the whacking.
        Controlled, no doubt, by some four-eyed geek deep underground in a Bilderberg-funded bunker.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

        Oh, it's coming. However, this time it won't be the ATF, it will be NWO drones doing the whacking.
        I hope they fixed the problem the iranians found. If not, someone may send it back with a gift. Funny, Did you know GIFT is also a GERMAN word? It means something like 100% different, but STILL...

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          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

          I hope they fixed the problem the iranians found. If not, someone may send it back with a gift. Funny, Did you know GIFT is also a GERMAN word? It means something like 100% different, but STILL...

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          A "gift", packed to the rafters with Anthrax, perhaps?
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      • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
        Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

        Oh, it's coming. However, this time it won't be the ATF, it will be NWO drones doing the whacking.
        We have enough people within this thread deathly afraid of firearms, and now you're adding even more neurosis to their condition. I like it
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    • Profile picture of the author RobinInTexas
      Originally Posted by SteveJohnson View Post

      The guy in the video is exactly the type who the gun-grabbing, big government folks are afraid of, and want to disarm - someone who will fight when government tries to overstep its lawful bounds. He's pissed off, and willing to defend his rights. People like him scare the crap out of those who want to control the population, and the sheep who are willing to subjugate themselves to that control so they can feel 'safe'.

      Defense against out-of-control government is exactly why the Second Amendment is there, futile though it may be. I have a feeling we're going to witness more events like Ruby Ridge and Waco in the near future.
      The reality was that the Framers wrote the Constitution and added the Second Amendment with the goal of creating a strong central government with a citizens-based military force capable of putting down insurrections, not to enable or encourage uprisings.

      The Constitution was influenced by the experience of Shays' Rebellion in western Massachusetts in 1786, a populist uprising that the weak federal government, under the Articles of Confederation, lacked an army to defeat.

      Daniel Shays, the leader of the revolt, was a former Continental Army captain who joined with other veterans and farmers to take up arms against the government for failing to address their economic grievances.

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      • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
        Excellent article Robin. It's funny how so many misinterpret one of the basic ideas of the second amendment. Unfortunately, I'm sure they will continue to do so and ignore the clear evidence that article points out.

        I think many would find it interesting also that Thomas Jefferson thought a new constitution should be written every generation so that it would stay more relevant to the times we live in.
        Originally Posted by RobinInTexas View Post

        The reality was that the Framers wrote the Constitution and added the Second Amendment with the goal of creating a strong central government with a citizens-based military force capable of putting down insurrections, not to enable or encourage uprisings.

        The Constitution was influenced by the experience of Shays' Rebellion in western Massachusetts in 1786, a populist uprising that the weak federal government, under the Articles of Confederation, lacked an army to defeat.

        Daniel Shays, the leader of the revolt, was a former Continental Army captain who joined with other veterans and farmers to take up arms against the government for failing to address their economic grievances.

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      • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
        As is saying it's sole reason for the militia is "defense against out-of-control government".
        Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

        While putting down insurrections would certainly be within its scope, to argue that it is the sole reason for the militia is ludicrous.
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        • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
          Well, Robin didn't say what you said she said either. There's no doubt having a "strong central government with a citizens-based military force capable of putting down insurrections" was one of the reasons also. Probably a bigger one actually.
          Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

          Ah, but no one said that. There is no doubt that it is one of the reasons.
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        Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

        The 2nd Amendment is plain in its language. While putting down insurrections would certainly be within its scope, to argue that it is the sole reason for the militia is ludicrous.
        I agree. The Second Ammedment clearly states "well regulated". To not regulate arms is unconstitutional. To suggest that the Founding Fathers wrote a law that basically said, "If you don't agree with us, you have a right to shoot us", is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

        And Article 3 Section 3 of the Constitution is also very clear, which says conducting war against the US gov is treason. And treason is a capital offense and it was debated whether treason should be a "blood crime" or not, meaning even the relatives of the traitor would also be punished. The US Constitution CLEARLY tells us it's not OK to conduct war against the US gov. To this day, murder and treason are the only two crimes a person can be executed for commiting.

        To back up how our Founding Fathers felt about regulating arms is the fact that they had laws in place at the time the Second Ammendment was written restricting the use of "frightening weapons", which included carrying an axe in many places, for example. They obviously believed weapons should be controlled and regulated.
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        • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
          All of your opinions in here are a joke, and mean absolutely nothing. Only the supreme courts opinion matters.

          So let's see what they have to say, shall we?
          District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), was a landmark case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution protects an individual's right to possess a firearm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home and within federal enclaves. The decision did not address the question of whether the Second Amendment extends beyond federal enclaves to the states,[1] which was addressed later by McDonald v. Chicago (2010). It was the first Supreme Court case in United States history to decide whether the Second Amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear arms for self-defense.[2]
          On June 26, 2008, the Supreme Court affirmed the Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit in Heller v. District of Columbia.[3][4] The Court of Appeals had struck down provisions of the Firearms Control Regulations Act of 1975 as unconstitutional, determined that handguns are "arms" for the purposes of the Second Amendment, found that the District of Columbia's regulations act was an unconstitutional banning, and struck down the portion of the regulations act that requires all firearms including rifles and shotguns be kept "unloaded and disassembled or bound by a trigger lock." "Prior to this decision the Firearms Control Regulation Act of 1975 also restricted residents from owning handguns except for those registered prior to 1975."[5]


          If you'd like to link to an article with an opinion that supersedes that of the Supreme Court, I'd really like to read it.

          Paul, do me a favor and ban me from the off -topc forum, before I say something that gets me banned from the entire forum.
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          • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
            David, I don't think I have seen anyone in this thread dispute that Supreme Court decision. Some have pointed out that that right to bear arms can be regulated. There is a limit. Even Judge Scalia, the most conservative of the SCs judges, agrees there are limits to the right.
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            Only the supreme courts opinion matters.
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            • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
              Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

              David, I don't think I have seen anyone in this thread dispute that Supreme Court decision. Some have pointed out that that right to bear arms can be