Brilliant or Criminal? Or Both?

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I just ran into this story and just had to share it:

Verizon Business Security Blog » Blog Archive » Case Study: Pro-active Log Review Might Be A Good Idea

Basically:
A developer with a 6 figure salary in the USA outsourced his job to a Chinese company for less then a fifth of his paycheck clearing his daily schedule almost completely.

On top of that his evaluations were constantly marked as very good as his code was of very good quality and he was always on time.

The employer went as far as sending his RSA security token to the Chinese company so they could login to the VPN system of his company and directly do all the work for him.

Furthermore it turned out this guy wasn't just working for one company in the area but for others as well.

A very smart outsourcer or a criminal? What do you think?

Btw if anybody finds out the Chinese company he outsourced too please let me know

How's that for a 4 hour work week Ferris!
#off topic forum #brilliant #criminal
  • I'm surprised he didn't set up a VPN from his apartment and then give the Chinese guy access that way. If he had the company would have thought he was logging in from home and they wouldn't have become suspicious.
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  • I guess the question is, if it were you, would you do it? Honestly I don't know. I'd like to say no, but honestly, i outsource some things in my business and it's profitable.

    Now i'm not sure i would do so in a corporate job, but hey, who knows? sounds like the guy had some things figured out and made money, and not only that, he TECHNICALLY did his job and did it well. Even if it was only a management role.

    This is a tricky one lol
  • Well depends on his contract.

    IF the company hired him to do the job, but didn't really specific if he could or could not outsource it, then that's on them.

    I smell new terms in contracts though in the future!

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    • Well, it is NOT the employers job to specify such things. Traditions, law, and EVERY contract I have seen(Over 30 companies I have PERSONALLY worked at, added to DOZENS that obviously must, etc...) had a contract saying NOT to divulge proprietary or confidential info or credentials. Many workers are REQUIRED to take tests and many cover such things. Punishments include lawsuits and TERMINATION. ALSO, prior to about 2000, shipment of such a fob to another country from the US was a felony. It was ACTUALLY considered a MUNITION!!!!!!

      Export of cryptography in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

      I am VERY sure it was AFTER 1992, but wikipedia says:

      "Since World War II, many governments, including the U.S. and its NATO allies, have regulated the export of cryptography for national security considerations, and, as late as 1992, cryptography was on the U.S. Munitions List as an Auxiliary Military Technology.[1]"!

      GOT THAT!?!?!? A MUNITION! Granted, you USUALLY here the word AM-MUNITION, but Munition is so much more. Most MUNITIONS make what is often seen as ammunition like peas for a peashooter!

      Steve
  • Indeed PPC LOL how many of those job titles could you grab if it cost you 1/4 or your salary to do the job lol
  • This topic has been discussed at length the past couple of days at http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...s-himself.html

    Bonnie
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    • Ah crap your right never saw that topic.. my fault.. if mods can merge them or something would be best.

      I would also say both as the biggest mistake he made is share confidential data.. other then that I don't think the 'idea' is wrong.. I do think he could be in some serious trouble..
  • HEY, GREAT IDEA, since you guys think that guy was so smart. I submit that he wasn't smart AT ALL!!!!!! Verizon IS, I believe, an ILEC! There is a FEDERAL LAW that requires ILECS to SUPPORT CLECS! SO, if VERIZON IS an ILEC, they are supporting CLECS! BTW The law was passed LONG ago as part of the AT&T breakup. One job I had was with Frontier, ANOTHER ILEC, And one of my projects was a database showing the costs and income from CLECS. It is similar to verisigns relationship with companies like godaddy. Verisign is effectively an ILEC, and godaddy is effectively a CLEC that verisign is REQUIRED BY LAW to support.

    SO, as an employee, and "programmer", the jerk that outsourced could maybe get verizon to believe HE was a CLEC, and support HIM! MAYBE, he could get verizon to do it AT COST! The law requires ONLY that ILECS provide support to CLECS at a price below the market.

    The person in question could THEN basically run a phone company supported by verizon, and UNDERCUT THEM!

    HEY, SAME THING! And he would make MORE money! IMAGINE, being able to provide the SAME service at a LOWER cost, and with FEWER expenses! and HEY, since he allowed that chinese guy to see all that illegal info, why not take verizons customer list, and market to THEM!!!!!?????

    Steve
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    • In a layman's terms.. it does appear smart.

      In real life terms . it level or higher. its more like wtf were you thinking.
      Go to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200.

      I have dealt with people who have tried to pull off similar scams.
      I say scam .... because it cost me money, and it provided an opening
      to the REAL bad people.

      BUT to be honest. I DO NOT thin k i would have fired him.

      I would have moved him ... Possibly even had him teach others a few things about management,

      And yeah... overseas VPN.. ... just f'n stupid.
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  • Just offhand - I'd say both...
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  • Yeah, everytime I have ever held onto someone my gut instinct told me to fire it was the wrong decision. Maybe that businessman I referred to wasnt so smart after all.

    I had the same thing happen when I hired a guy and his girlfriend together, well actually he already worked for me, and later talked me into hiring her. Disaster.

    He was great, top caller, before his GF showed up then he went downhill, ultimately later I put her in a different department, and she got mad at me one day and called my own biggest client and talked crud about our company and lost them. I should have followed my gut instinct and not hired her, or at least fired her at the first sign of Jims performance suffering.
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    • yeah same here.

      I am a human lie detector. BUT for some reason i fail at that most basic task when it comes to employees.

      and what is REALLY weird is i do it in personal life too.

      For instance. I have learned if i meet you... and i really like you... you are going to really hurt me at some point... financially, emotionally.. something.

      BUT...

      if I DO NOT LIKE you when i first meet you ...

      they are awesome, they don't hurt me... in fact THEY are the ones to help me when i need it.... and no one else is around... and eventually become long term friends i can implicitly trust.

      weird eh ?


      i don't know if that is just me or not.
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  • Strange how that works, indeed. No you arent alone there.

    Although I did recently try and befriend someone ( you may know who I mean but maybe not), who I didnt like at first, and then I gave them the benefit of the doubt and started giving them props, and I saw them commit mutiny to the whole offline crew, now I dont like them again.

    Its a "HER" (I think. Who knows these days by an avatar?).
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    • sorry bro, i have no clue who you are talking about..

      and that is fine.. i don't need to know.

      I know for a fact curiosity really did kill the cat.
      I was sad for months.
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  • wait a min... I do know.

    or at least think I do...

    she is abrasive and rude... like most ego ridden ... successful.... sales people...
    just her lack of ...uhhhhmmm... tack fullness, made her appear real.

    yeah... i totally know what your talking about..

    and TBO due to the way of she responses, I THOUGHT SHE was for real too.

    actually i still think she is. BUT like many decent /good /awesome sales peeps...
    she sucks at bizz acumen.

    was that enough info for you to know if i am on the same track as you ???
  • @ Ken,

    Whatever I make or dont, the people I sell to make money, and the ones that dont have every opportunity to, if they are willing to be as committed the ones who do, whether that's a web page or an informational report.

    What I personally make at any given time is irrelevant, as long as my product is effective.
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    • awesome brotha... awesome.

      I need to go now.
      I will ttyasap
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  • hahaha @ John and Ken..

    this turned out in the weirdest thread ever , I'm sure you're both talking about some inside thing but just reading it I got completely lost...
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    • Sorry about that, whenever Ken and I end up on the same thread we tend to forget its not skype. Didnt mean to derail, just forgot what we were talking about for a minute.
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