Eric Schmidt's daughter lifts lid on 'very strange' North Korea

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Eric Schmidt's daughter lifts lid on 'very strange' North Korea

Sophie Schmidt, the teenage daughter of Google chairman Eric Schmidt has shed some light on her father's secretive trip to North Korea, in a first-hand account of the visit to a "very, very strange" country.

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  • Profile picture of the author Brian John
    a very strange (for lack of a better word) country indeed...

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    • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
      Originally Posted by Brian John View Post

      a very strange (for lack of a better word) country indeed...

      Inside North Korea - VICE Travel - Part 1 of 3 - YouTube
      I knew North Korean students in China. They were very bright and enthusiastic, probably connected to leadership or selected because of their abilities. They reminded me of smart cult members I've come across from time to time. Smart up to a point but, for whatever reasons, intelligence and logic turned off whenever it came to questions about their leadership, replaced with dumb awe.
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  • Profile picture of the author hardraysnight
    i have been to north korea twice - strange sure, fascinating absolutely

    go again sure
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    I hear Pyongyang is lovely in the Spring, sterile architecture, rationed beets, automobiles reminiscent of that long forgotten Art Deco Era.

    Ahh... Pyongyang, I long for thee.
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    • Profile picture of the author hardraysnight
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      I hear Pyongyang is lovely in the Spring, sterile architecture, rationed beets, automobiles reminiscent of that long forgotten Art Deco Era.

      Ahh... Pyongyang, I long for thee.
      not the way i saw it
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      • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
        Originally Posted by hardraysnight View Post

        not the way i saw it
        How do you see it? Did you come across any of those news stories on Kim Jong-Il's grandson? That kid sure is radical and controversial...

        ...NOT.
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        • Profile picture of the author hardraysnight
          Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

          How do you see it? Did you come across any of those news stories on Kim Jong-Il's grandson? That kid sure is radical and controversial...

          ...NOT.
          i seldom venture beyond the sports pages

          i saw it with my eyes and mind open

          sure there were places i could not go, just as there are places in my own country i cannot do
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          • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
            Originally Posted by hardraysnight View Post

            i seldom venture beyond the sports pages

            i saw it with my eyes and mind open

            sure there were places i could not go, just as there are places in my own country i cannot do
            You're an adventurous open-minded person and that's good. However, the system in North Korea is an abysmal failure by just about any standard of measurement, and even North Koreans in China personally relayed as much to me with more intensity than I've ever before or since witnessed in people (but not those bright, wide-eyed students with the beatific Dear-Leader-Fearing smiles mentioned above). Let's say we used Deng Xiaoping's criteria, "It doesn't matter if a cat is black or white, as long as it catches mice." North Korea: FAIL. Even the family members of North Korea's leader say as much. Widespread starvation and malnutrition are not positive indicators of a nation's well-being:
            North Korea’s Hidden Famine | The Irrawaddy Magazine
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          Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

          How do you see it? Did you come across any of those news stories on Kim Jong-Il's grandson? That kid sure is radical and controversial...

          ...NOT.
          He seems TOO normal and reasonable. Either it is an act, or he will likely NOT be a ruler. If he DOES become a ruler, it would be interesting to see how it goes.

          I once told my father that gorbachov sounded communist. He basically laughed and said "of course". What shocked ME was the lack of pretense!

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  • What scares me about the "Hermit Kingdom", is that the people have been led to believe all their lives, that they are so lucky to live in unheated starvation and strict oppression - and that a world without North Korea is not a world worth living in. If anyone were to try attacking them at this point, they would do what they can to destroy as much of this planet as they could...

    Yet - apparently North Korea has no "natural resources" (see oil) to exploit - or the "free world" would be all over them like ugly on a gorilla...

    I gotta tell you though - they have major cojones calling it "The Democratic People's Republic of Korea"
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    How would you release millions of people into a world they don't even know? Or maybe they don't want to know. Being brain washed & locked down from birth isn't something you can just turn off.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      How would you release millions of people into a world they don't even know? Or maybe they don't want to know. Being brain washed & locked down from birth isn't something you can just turn off.
      You're right. That IS a problem. Look at East Germany. That i the most insidious thing. You can't even let those that would survive go because THEY are the ones that provide for the others. You can't let those that are detractors or troublemakers go because then those best equipped would do LIKEWISE! But that should be in the minds of all those in the FREE world! THEY don't want to end up in the SAME condition!

      One thing that NK COULD do, though it may take YEARS, is wean people off of the government. They can provide more freedoms, remove restrictions, and institute work programs. THEN, when they almost have parity with SOUTH korea, open the gates! Most will end up STAYING in north korea and those that go out can't speak of how incredibly different it is, and north korea would be self sustaining.

      A friend of mine sent me a NICE video, from the mises institute, that has a RUSSIAN as a speaker. NICE VIDEO! He talks about russia, moore, cuba, etc... I WOULD show it here BUT, alas.....He says too much Oh well, his name is Yuri N. Maltsev. He has done a lot of stuff and that, that I have seen, seems good.

      Steve
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  • I think they have accepted the indoctrination for the most part, is because they have been forced to accept it - they have had no freedom of choice.

    I think though they will need to assimilate with S. Korea in perhaps small initial steps, they yearn to learn - they want to be prosperous and contribute to their own well being - they probably yearn for the day they actually will be free from the indoctrination and the rhetoric...they just need the chance to do so.
    As in the USSR before the wall came down, the only way to accomplish a sustainable actual income without being a 'party member' was by dealing illegally underground. (and that was no party...look at all the Russian mobsters around the world now some just stayed there, and became even richer...)
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  • The secret lives of North Korea
    What is life like for the non-elite in this closed land? Do citizens really believe that mountains dance when a leader is born? Britain's former ambassador describes the people he knew there
    The secret lives of North Korea - Asia - World - The Independent
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