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Marijuana Class I Appeal Rejected By Federal Court, Still Dangerous With No Accepted Medical Use

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Marijuana Class I Appeal Rejected By Federal Court, Still Dangerous With No Accepted Medical Use
  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    The majority of people know this is just plain bovine defecation. You'd think the judges would be embarrassed to appear this stupid - or corrupt by now. Need some impeachments in this country, I'm afraid. Once you impeach a few of these fascists for stupidity, maybe the rest would straighten out for the simple want of not appearing to be a clown without makeup.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
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      • Profile picture of the author Riptor
        Marijuana has been used in medicine for eons... maybe it's because Big Pharma can't get a patent for Marijuana might be nearer the truth!

        Historical Timeline - Medical Marijuana - ProCon.org
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        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
          True Riptor,

          We gave it to many many patients in pill form in oncology while they were undergoing chemo treatments.

          Big pharma can just...never mind, I've decided to be a lady.

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          • Profile picture of the author Kurt
            Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

            True Riptor,

            We gave it to many many patients in pill form in oncology while they were undergoing chemo treatments.

            Big pharma can just...never mind, I've decided to be a lady.

            Terra
            It's probably as much Big Booze as it is Big Pharma. But with Coolorado and Washingstone approving the sale of MJ, it won't be long until Big Tobacco and Big Farma starts a fight with Big Booze and Big Pharma.
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            • Profile picture of the author HKSEO Jonbones
              Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

              I don't see how the legalization -- decriminalization is out of the question given the slavish, statist, government-worshiping habits of benighted Americans -- of marijuana will do anything to affect alcohol sales.

              I don't see how it will affect prescription drug consumption, either.
              Because a lot of people would realize that they don't need medication for many issues that they are prescribed drugs for, that MJ can do a better job for anxiety, depression, lack of hunger caused by cancer treatments, & stress related issues; Prozac and Zanax would dissapear, along with many other large money making drugs for the big pharmacological corporations.
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              • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

                So people trust marijuana dealers more than doctors?

                Is that it?
                No. We trust our own experiences more than doctors. Where do we keep losing you?
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                • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                  Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

                  Somewhere between the illogic of your arguments and the heady claims made for that wonderful panacea that is marijuana.

                  About in the middle, I think.
                  Speaking of logic, you just posted a classic example of a straw man fallacy...No one claimed that MJ is "a wonderful panacea". Do you really need to make up stuff from "Ken World" to try to make a point, and again, does that actually work on other people?

                  The most illogical person on this forum actually trying to talk about logic. You're a funny guy! Making a classic logical fallacy trying to prove you're logical. BWAHAAAAAAA!
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                • Profile picture of the author HeySal
                  Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

                  Somewhere between the illogic of your arguments and the heady claims made for that wonderful panacea that is marijuana.

                  About in the middle, I think.
                  So check out the independent studies = then look at the fact that nobody has ever died from pot, and we lose up to a quarter million a year from pharmaceuticals. Isn't that enough?

                  Incidentally - the memory thing is also twisted. If you are stoned, you can't remember all that well - that's the nature of a buzz whether you are on booze, pot, or pharmaceuticals. Once you are no longer stoned, your memory is just as good as it ever was - unless you are buzzing on booze which ruins your brain permanently. Want a beer?
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              • Profile picture of the author HKSEO Jonbones
                Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

                So people trust marijuana dealers more than doctors?

                Is that it?
                Not sure what you are getting at...Some doctors are just licensed drug dealers, all they do is push top dollar prescriptions on people who:
                -can't afford them
                -would be just as well served by a generic drug
                -don't need it ( diet and exercise changes would solve most issues )
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            • Profile picture of the author Kurt
              Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

              I don't see how the legalization -- decriminalization is out of the question given the slavish, statist, government-worshiping habits of benighted Americans -- of marijuana will do anything to affect alcohol sales.

              I don't see how it will affect prescription drug consumption, either.
              Because you don't see something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I suggest you read up on the subject of how MJ use affects the use of booze. There was a good article on the subject recently in the Denver Post.
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              • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

                Sorry, dude, I don't trust the opinion of a Denver Post reporter any more than I would trust a Daily Kos blogger.

                I can see where a pothead might forget to go to the liquor store, though -- or even forget where it is on the way.

                That's something.

                Marijuana will be legalized, taxed to high heaven and made socially acceptable because it will help to pacify the people.
                Of course you don't trust any source that disagrees with your preconceived opinion. Sorry dood, but I "can't see" where someone thinks it's better to be ignorant than wrong. Does that actually work with other people?

                BTW, the Post was only reporting a study, they didn't conduct it.

                By "pothead", were you including people like Carl Sagan?
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      The majority of people know this is just plain bovine defecation.
      It appears that all they were empowered to decide in that hearing was whether the DEA's decision was "arbitrary and capricious", which they felt it wasn't - they didn't say they thought it was right.

      It seems to me that they're being criticized here for saying things they didn't actually say, and for not saying things they were unable to say on this occasion? :confused:

      Over here, they downgraded marijuana from "class B" to "class C" in 2004 (removing the threat of arrest for possession), which had been promised for many years.

      Unfortunately, though, in 2009 the weight of new medical evidence was such that they upgraded it again to "class B", though arrests and prosecutions over possession of small amounts for personal use remain more or less unheard of (neither the police nor the courts are interested).
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      • Profile picture of the author MoneyMagnetMagnate
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        It appears that all they were empowered to decide in that hearing was whether the DEA's decision was "arbitrary and capricious", which they felt it wasn't - they didn't say they thought it was right.

        It seems to me that they're being criticized here for saying things they didn't actually say, and for not saying things they were unable to say on this occasion? :confused:

        Over here, they downgraded marijuana from "class B" to "class C" in 2004 (removing the threat of arrest for possession), which had been promised for many years.

        Unfortunately, though, in 2009 the weight of new medical evidence was such that they upgraded it again to "class B", though arrests and prosecutions over possession of small amounts for personal use remain more or less unheard of (neither the police nor the courts are interested).
        Even a downgrade to 'class B', and decriminalization would be a step in the right direction. Pharma and Alcohol do pull a lot of lobby power, but over here, Prisons are also big business, and they have a lot of lobby power as well. The number of people incarcerated, and the fines paid, for possession of small amounts of MJ is ridiculous, and the Feds going after legal state approved distribution of this for medical, and now recreational use in some states, is ludicrous - when Nixon ignored his Commissions advice not to make this a schedule 1 drug - he did it anyway - that in itself should have been the flashpoint (and was the start of NORML) but I also agree with Alexa, they did not say they thought the DEA decision was right - but their skirting of the issue for "more evidence" when it is there for the reading, was also "arbitrary and capricious" (imo) They have however, left an open door for that opportunity to hear an appeal - this time with hopefully more testimony, and less behind doors lobbying.
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    bovine deification
    Too funny, Sal.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by laurencewins View Post

      Too funny, Sal.
      OOPS - doing two things at once - fixed that - meant defecation. poop. just poop.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        OOPS - doing two things at once - fixed that - meant defecation. poop. just poop.
        ACTUALLY, you WERE right the FIRST time! I should have thought about that. I'll remember it! Well, I guess the PROPER term is "Bovine defecation deification". So they DEIFY YKW!!!!

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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

    Seems to me that if abortion falls under the 4th Amendment, it's no stretch to extend the use of marijuana under the aegis of privacy.
    I guess you can only make the 4th amendment case if the woman doesn't want it. Then again, could a MAN claim that if he is the father, wants and could take care of the child? INTERESTING TWIST!

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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Williams
    Hard not to follow the money on this one. The DEA receives greater budgetary concern, pharmaceutical companies eliminate competition, and the billion-dollar prison industry flourishes.

    More dollars for everyone if we keep MJ as "dangerous" as possible.

    I'm just thankful the powers that be haven't investigated the curative powers of things like air, sunlight, magnetism, and H2O. I shudder to think how federally brain-washed lawmakers would classify, penalize, and monetize those ...
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    Well this is one 'pothead' that is going to my clean and beautiful pot dispensary in broad daylight, see some really happy, loving people behind the counter, and stock up on some Indica. I am almost out.

    I guess after all the years of persecution and danger that the persecution leads to I keep thinking one of these tush brained suits are going to remove my right as a citizen of this state to buy pot legally. (so I stock up for my freezer).

    Someday I hope that people who make blanket statements about something they know absolutely nothing about FIRST-HAND - or never EXPERIENCED themselves, will simply dry up and blow away.

    ... That is if you don't die from taking one of those legal drugs that doctors and pharmacies are so eager for you to risk your life with.

    Read the labels. Get a major clue.

    Start with aspirin - good luck with your bleeding gutts. (I am not in the UK and I mean literally internal bleeding).

    Or go ahead and pickle your liver with some booze. You will look like hell in a few years if you live.

    Sit on your self-righteous and ignorant ass and pass judgement -

    In the meantime I will be HIGH, healthy, blessed!

    and LEGAL.

    kma.

    ... and by the way - sorry to pop your bubble - I still work 12-15 hours per day, 6 days per week - (and never in 9 years had one 'sick day') -- so the little 'image' you have of lazy, disoriented slobs with Cheetos (never ever ever touch the stuff) - is just plain wrong like the rest of your thinking on this matter.

    Tell you what - why not open your mind - you can never tell what you might let in - possibly the truth.
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  • Profile picture of the author SandraLarkin
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    Another example of insane government. At this point I have trouble finding people who do not think that government is insane, but yet still remain silent. That is a huge problem for the US, but I think that will change soon.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    1st, I wish MJ were legal, because it helps mellow me out in a very healthy way.

    Secondly, I think its good for people in general for about 10 different reasons.

    Thirdly, I cant smoke it because of my spiritual beliefs, but the only thing that prohibits me according to them is its legal status, not anything else.

    4thly, As to not doing it for fear of being caught, its too easy to get without being caught, so this is another example of why making laws does not prohibit people from obtaining things they want. Still, I have to be obedient to the laws of the land out of respect for Gods law (according to my belief), not out of respect for police. On another note, I dont think God himself respects that law.

    5thly, There isnt one harmful side effect, even long term, thats more harmful than what we breath in every time we walk down a city street.

    6thly, I dont drink, outside of a social glass of wine on rare occasion...because I think alcohol sucks and kills people, nor do I take prescription pills, so MJ is the only kind of buzz I will tolerate, because it doesnt kill millions of people per year, wake you up with a headache, or eat your liver.

    7th, I think God made it for human consumption because the only reason it affects you at all is because there is a dormant cell in your brain that only wakes up when touched by THC, there is no other reason for it to be there. I doesnt destroy brain cells as some ignorant people think, it actually affects you only because it wakes a cell UP.

    8th, Keeping it illegal is just about government profit. While millions of people die daily from the affects of alcohol, (more than by guns Im sure), the lobbyists, and government make alot of money on MJ's illegal status, so the lost lives are evidently worth it to the government on a selective basis. That should be clear.
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    • Profile picture of the author MoneyMagnetMagnate
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      1st, I wish MJ were legal, because it helps mellow me out in a very healthy way.

      Secondly, I think its good for people in general for about 10 different reasons.

      Thirdly, I cant smoke it because of my spiritual beliefs, but the only thing that prohibits me according to them is its legal status, not anything else.

      4thly, As to not doing it for fear of being caught, its too easy to get without being caught, so this is another example of why making laws does not prohibit people from obtaining things they want. Still, I have to be obedient to the laws of the land out of respect for Gods law (according to my belief), not out of respect for police. On another note, I dont think God himself respects that law.

      5thly, There isnt one harmful side effect, even long term, thats more harmful than what we breath in every time we walk down a city street.

      6thly, I dont drink, outside of a social glass of wine on rare occasion...because I think alcohol sucks and kills people, nor do I take prescription pills, so MJ is the only kind of buzz I will tolerate, and everyone deserves a buzz.

      7th, I think God made it for human consumption because the only reason it affects you at all is because there is a dormant cell in your brain that only wakes up when touched by THC, there is no other reason for it to be there. I doesn't destroy brain cells as some ignorant people think, it actually affects you only because it wakes a cell UP.

      8th, Keeping it illegal is just about government profit, while millions of people die daily from the affects of alcohol, (more than by guns Im sure). While the lobbyists, and government make alot of money on MJ's illegal status, the lost lives are evidently worth it to the government on a selective basis. That should be clear.
      On the 4th point in bold, I'm afraid I would have to disagree John. As Patricia pointed out, the safety and security she feels in a 'sanctioned, well-lit, and secure environment' is more than enough to dispel the first part of that statement. To deal with it illegally requires 'dealing' with an illegal source, which may not only be potentially dangerous, but may also get you arrested - which brings about the second part of the point, the ruination of a life or career because of the illegal act you committed to obtain something that should not be dealt with so severely.

      As for the seventh in bold, I offer this article from The Scientific American...
      Pot Smokers Might Not Turn into Dopes after All: Scientific American

      *as for the other points...I cannot address those. Those are personal choices...except for the 8th, to which I heartily agree...
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Honestly,

    I agree with Sal, the whole fact that this is even an argument while alcohol is legal is bovine defecation. I had this argument long ago on the WF and it didnt go anywhere, so its useless to talk any further about now.
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    • Profile picture of the author MoneyMagnetMagnate
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Honestly,

      I agree with Sal, the whole fact that this is even an argument while alcohol is legal is bovine defecation. I had this argument long ago on the WF and it didnt go anywhere, so its useless to talk any further about now.
      With that I also agree. This court decision was handed down yesterday, hence the reason to again voice a wish for a more equitable system regarding marijuana...that seems to be going in circles...
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

        With that I also agree. This court decision was handed down yesterday, hence the reason to again voice a wish for a more equitable system regarding marijuana...that seems to be going in circles...
        Well on second thought, raising public awareness is a good thing, however frustrating it can be. Kudos.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

    Seems to me that if abortion falls under the 4th Amendment, it's no stretch to extend the use of marijuana under the aegis of privacy.

    That's one of the most unrealistic, illogical juxtapositions I've ever seen in my life. Keep it real, dude.

    You have the right to eat any pharmaceutical drug you want, intoxicate yourself with any harmful alcohol you want - and use any chemo you want.

    ALl we are saying is that you allow everyone the same right. If we choose pot - it's not anyone else's damned business to take that right away from us.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    ... and speaking of the devil (no pun intended)

    Tobacco, the FDA and it's syndicates (pharma, booze, tobbacco)

    think that is just fine to be legal!

    "On the basis of current rates of smoking initiation and cessation, smoking, which killed about 100 million people in the 20th century, will kill about 1 billion in the 21st century," Jha and colleagues predicted.

    Smoking Deaths Now Equal in Women and Men

    You see how the elevator doesn't go to the top floor?

    ... don't you?
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by Patrician View Post

      ... and speaking of the devil (no pun intended)

      Tobacco, the FDA and it's syndicates (pharma, booze, tobbacco)

      think that is just fine to be legal!

      "On the basis of current rates of smoking initiation and cessation, smoking, which killed about 100 million people in the 20th century, will kill about 1 billion in the 21st century," Jha and colleagues predicted.

      Smoking Deaths Now Equal in Women and Men

      You see how the elevator doesn't go to the top floor?

      ... don't you?
      I guess deaths that are caused by some things arent as important. and eradicating them doesnt serve anyones agenda enough to require a national emergency.

      Maybe Im cynical, but you cant argue that what Im saying is true.

      I take that back, some people cant argue anything...true or not.

      As long as government officials drink beer, it will never matter how many people die from it, enough to warrant a bann, even if the numbers far outweigh gun deaths. Its just a fact..
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by Patrician View Post

      ... and speaking of the devil (no pun intended)

      Tobacco, the FDA and it's syndicates (pharma, booze, tobbacco)

      think that is just fine to be legal!

      "On the basis of current rates of smoking initiation and cessation, smoking, which killed about 100 million people in the 20th century, will kill about 1 billion in the 21st century," Jha and colleagues predicted.

      Smoking Deaths Now Equal in Women and Men

      You see how the elevator doesn't go to the top floor?

      ... don't you?
      First off - we've been through booze prohibition. Um.......it didn't work.

      Second - where are we getting our info on tobacco? Only 40% of lung cancer victims in the US ever smoked. Where's the other 60% getting it? Maybe we'd be pretty pissed off if we knew that one, huh? Those planes spraying chemicals on the fields by your house, too? In Japan 2/3 of men smoke - and there's no stats that show even a slight correlation between lung cancer and cigarettes. If it's tobacco - wouldn't that figure be universal? What the hell is in cigarettes in the US (and the UK and Canada) that's not being put in them in places that people DON'T get lung cancer when they smoke? Some important questions that people just never thought to ask.

      I'm betting if we could see behind the curtain (or into the judge's chamber) we find a lot of Dupont and Dow money floating around on the pot issue - the same companies that helped to illegalize the stuff so we wouldn't have natural fiber. Corporations have owned our Congress a lot longer than people realize.
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      • Profile picture of the author Riptor
        Just to extend this topic a little further, why are we not investing more into Hemp?

        Everything Petroleum Does, Hemp Does Better.

        Hemp does everything that petroleum does, AND BETTER!

        Extracting fossil fuels are harmful to the environment and to human health. Petroleum extracting and processing is a chemical-intensive, expensive process. Hemp oil for fuel is simply a matter of growing, harvesting, and processing.

        Petroleum-based plastics are not biodegradable. Hemp-based plastics are recyclable and biodegradable.

        Fuel for transportation can be replaced with hemp-based biofuels. Hemp fuel is clean, efficient, and...if it spills it does not harm the environment, it is more like a fertilizer.

        Everything, EVERYTHING, that petroleum does, hemp does. So, why are we feeling this pain from fossil fuels?

        Why are we not allowing our farmers to grow hemp? Well, we know the reasons - big oil, pharma, timber, and chemical companies do not want to lose their investment dollars; the military - using OUR dollars to fund wars, some of which have to do with...yes, you guessed it...OIL.

        ahhh I see now!

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        • Profile picture of the author MoneyMagnetMagnate
          Originally Posted by Riptor View Post

          Just to extend this topic a little further, why are we not investing more into Hemp?

          Everything Petroleum Does, Hemp Does Better.

          Hemp does everything that petroleum does, AND BETTER!

          Extracting fossil fuels are harmful to the environment and to human health. Petroleum extracting and processing is a chemical-intensive, expensive process. Hemp oil for fuel is simply a matter of growing, harvesting, and processing.

          Petroleum-based plastics are not biodegradable. Hemp-based plastics are recyclable and biodegradable.

          Fuel for transportation can be replaced with hemp-based biofuels. Hemp fuel is clean, efficient, and…if it spills it does not harm the environment, it is more like a fertilizer.

          Everything, EVERYTHING, that petroleum does, hemp does. So, why are we feeling this pain from fossil fuels?

          Why are we not allowing our farmers to grow hemp? Well, we know the reasons – big oil, pharma, timber, and chemical companies do not want to lose their investment dollars; the military – using OUR dollars to fund wars, some of which have to do with…yes, you guessed it…OIL.

          ahhh I see now!

          Everything Petroleum Does, Hemp Does Better ~ RiseEarth
          That is precisely WHY there is a fight against hemp - by the big logging companies, like Weyerhaeuser, (who could actually grow hemp cheaper, faster, and eco-friendly) and the big oil companies, and the big pharma - they really don't care about the 'little farm-a' anymore -

          William Randolph Hearst was one of the instrumentals in the prohibition of marijuana to begin with - why? because he was heavily invested in paper, and logging, to make paper for his newspaper empire...a nedia empire that rapidly spread the evils of hemp, all kinds of hemp.

          One of the main initial exports of this country was producing hemp, for ropes, and rigging. Washington and Jefferson both cultivated it - (some say Washington may have even smoked it, as his notes suggest cross pollination to produce 'better buds' )
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Unless we can get US Inc dissolved and go back to a constitutional government our planet is in serious trouble and so are every one of the people on it. When a government is willing to allow a corporation to destroy millions of acres of land, or to allow poisons that kill people via miserablely torturous diseases, we either get over them, get rid of them, or watch the decline into total annihilation of the planet. We are making the choice of life and death right now by who we allow to keep jobs in office.
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  • Profile picture of the author ikhwanudin
    Why are cigarettes legal then? If marijuana is illegal, cigarette should be illegal too.

    People can still buy marijuana though, even if it is illegal.
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    Hemp Gets The Green Light In New Colorado Pot Measure: Farmers are now looking to grow hemp, which doesn't have the same high-inducing effect as marijuana.
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    Wow, GREAT post and thanks for the link. I really had no idea about Colorado and Washington. That should give a huge push to the whole legalization but I guess not?

    This is long over due and the whole country knows it.. The only people that don't are the greedy politicians and the greedy (900 billion dollar/year) pharmaceutical industry.
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    I'm sorry...this is just too ridiculous not to post -

    A Group of Drug War Profiteers Are Asking Eric Holder to Stop Legal Pot in Colorado and Washington - Hit & Run : Reason.com

    ...on behalf of the National Narcotic Officers Association Coalition, the National Association of Drug Court Professionals??? :confused:

    We urge you to restate marijuana is (sic) illegal.The Washington and Colorado state laws, authorizing retail and commercial sales of marijuana, marijuana smoking, marijuana possession, manufacturing and distribution, and the farming of industrial hemp, violate both the intent of Congress in enacting the CSA and the letter of the law.
    The Department of Justice and Congress have determined through the CSA that marijuana is a Schedule I drug and as such growing, distributing, and possessing marijuana in any capacity, save a federal research program, is in “violation of federal law regardless of state laws permitting such activities.”

    ...Marijuana remains a leading reason kids are in treatment today, and is a leading cause of car crashes among impaired individuals – surpassing alcohol in many states. Its abuse is directly linked to mental illness and IQ deterioration. The negative impacts of legalization of marijuana are substantial.
    Am I an advocate for medicinal and recreational (and industrial) decriminalization of hemp? Yes. I think there is progress on the current system, it is getting better...But these kind of ridiculous accusations harkens back to the 30's when "Mary Jane" was the "Assassin of Youth" - we need a rational discussion on the matter - not this kind of nonsense -

    These groups are doing nothing but trying to protect their own skewed business interests, which again, are not in the best interest of the public. (imo)
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    As Pot Becomes Legal, We've Got to Fight Against Corporate Control of Cannabis
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    Dozens of Colorado Communities Ban Pot

    Dozens of Colorado Communities Ban Pot | KUNC
    Amendment 64, which was passed last fall legalized recreational use and possession, cultivation and distribution of limited quantities of marijuana - but some communities are using a portion of the law to get out of allowing its sale in their community.
    Under Colorado law, municipalities "may prohibit the operation of marijuana cultivation facilities, marijuana product manufacturing facilities, marijuana testing facilities, or retail marijuana stores through the enactment of an ordinance."
    And many municipalities are taking it to heart.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

      Dozens of Colorado Communities Ban Pot

      Dozens of Colorado Communities Ban Pot | KUNC
      Just as long as they don't ban the hemp fields that are being planted. We HAVE to start planting hemp or we're going to be part of the extinction we've started.
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        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        Just as long as they don't ban the hemp fields that are being planted. We HAVE to start planting hemp or we're going to be part of the extinction we've started.
        I was curious Sal, if you got a chance to read the post in 'screw Monsanto' about the "Indian Rice revolution", and if you were familiar with this process...interesting stuff regarding natural growing methods 'sans Monsanto'...
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        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        Just as long as they don't ban the hemp fields that are being planted. We HAVE to start planting hemp or we're going to be part of the extinction we've started.
        This is a complicated issue as it's illegal to transport hemp across state lines. What I don't understand is how a state like Kansas can import products made from hemp from Canada, but can't from Colorado.

        However, according to an article in the Denver Post, the hemp market is expected to be 10x the MJ market and will be 3x more profitable per acre than wheat for farmers. I think money and common sense will eventually win out.
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      Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

      Dozens of Colorado Communities Ban Pot

      Dozens of Colorado Communities Ban Pot | KUNC
      Some of those areas are passing temporary bans until they can figure out what's going on.

      Others have politicians committing political suicide, as Prop 64 was the most popular issue on the ballot.
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        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        Some of those areas are passing temporary bans until they can figure out what's going on.

        Others have politicians committing political suicide, as Prop 64 was the most popular issue on the ballot.
        It was curious that they put that little 'municipalities' clause in there...
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    Mitch McConnell, Rand Paul team up on hemp legalization
    Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul have teamed up in an unlikely duo to high-five plans to legalize it–hemp, that is.
    The Senate minority leader cosponsored a bill with two Oregon senators Thursday to federally legalize hemp, a variety of the plant species that also produces marijuana. If passed, the bill will downgrade the virtually-harmless hemp from its current federal standing as a Schedule I illegal drug, the FDA’s most severe classification (other Schedule I drugs include heroin and LSD).
    “During these tough economic times, this legislation has the potential to create jobs and provide a boost to Kentucky’s economy and to our farmers and their families,” McConnell said in a statement Thursday.
    I don't know exactly what to make of this...did I wake up in Bizarro World?
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    I don't smoke anymore, but I still think this is a bunch of bullshit.
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    Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post


    William Randolph Hearst was one of the instrumentals in the prohibition of marijuana to begin with - why? because he was heavily invested in paper...
    Maybe he should have just side stepped the whole issue and started investing in "paper's" :rolleyes:

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    • Profile picture of the author MoneyMagnetMagnate
      Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

      I just want to add that a drunk driver will blow a stop sign and possibly kill someone, a pot head will sit at a stop sign and wait for it to turn green.
      And if it's really good pot...this can happen :rolleyes:
      Woah, Dude...Close Encounters Of The Herb Kind....
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      Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

      I just want to add that a drunk driver will blow a stop sign and possibly kill someone, a pot head will sit at a stop sign and wait for it to turn green.
      hahahah - not just that but green is red and red is green

      (stop means go (red) and go means stop (green)

      dyslexic high

      i wish i was kidding sometimes...




      p.s. i can really remember one of my first 'highs' (don't think it was pot not sure) in my late teens, being in a car with a bunch of other high kids - sitting at a broken stop light probably 15-minutes before anybody realized it wasn't going to change - maybe ever!

      guess we better move the car now... ya think?

      ummm it was really like beavis and butthead @ cheech and chong might say.

      wow look at all the flashing blue red white lights on that car in back of us

      wowwwww - psychedelic! look the guys are wearing stars! wow! stellar!

      faaaaarrr ouT!


      p.sssss. i never drive high. bet you can't guess why they tell you not to drive high.
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    The task force in charge of setting up the regulations in Colorado voted to recommend MJ tourism by allowing people from out of state to buy MJ in small amount from a single pot shop. Not sure what "small" means.

    Colorado marijuana task force recommends allowing pot tourism - The Denver Post
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    Just think of all the trees we'd save if we could grow hemp for paper - and all the biodegradeable plastic we could make that wouldn't be over-burdening landfills and polluting everything else it touched. We've got to get smart about this planet and have to do it fast - and one way we can do that is to grow hemp again - whether Dow and Dupont have a hissy-fit about it or not.
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    CBS News

    Drug overdose deaths up for 11th year


    UPI.com - ‎1 hour ago‎

    ATLANTA, Feb. 20 (UPI) -- For the 11th consecutive year, U.S. drug overdose deaths increased, mostly by opioids -- illegal heroin or painkillers by prescription, health officials say.

    U.S. drug overdose deaths increased to more than 38,000 in 2010 - UPI.com
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    • Profile picture of the author MoneyMagnetMagnate
      Originally Posted by Patrician View Post


      CBS News

      Drug overdose deaths up for 11th year


      UPI.com - ‎1 hour ago‎

      ATLANTA, Feb. 20 (UPI) -- For the 11th consecutive year, U.S. drug overdose deaths increased, mostly by opioids -- illegal heroin or painkillers by prescription, health officials say.

      U.S. drug overdose deaths increased to more than 38,000 in 2010 - UPI.com
      I think the opening paragraph of those UPI stories are misleading in a way...
      ATLANTA, Feb. 20 (UPI) -- For the 11th consecutive year, U.S. drug overdose deaths increased, mostly by opioids -- illegal heroin or painkillers by prescription, health officials say.
      As it somewhat implies that the illegal heroin is the leading cause, when actually it is the latter - though it does allude to it further in the story...
      In 2010, the CDC reported, there were 38,329 drug overdose deaths nationwide. Medicines, mostly prescription drugs, were involved in nearly 60 percent of overdose deaths that year, overshadowing deaths from illicit narcotics.
      The report appears in Tuesday's Journal of the American Medical Association.
      It details which drugs were at play in most of the fatalities. As in previous recent years, opioid drugs — which include OxyContin and Vicodin — were the biggest problem, contributing to 3 out of 4 medication overdose deaths.
      Citing story: Drug overdose deaths up for 11th consecutive year
      I am not condoning the use of the illegal heroin by any stretch of the imagination, but the prescription drugs, whether obtained legally or not - seem to be the leading cause, and the UPI story differs from the AP story in that respect.
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    Here's an interesting article about "hempcrete":

    Collective-Evolution – Hempcrete Could Change The Way We Build Everything
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      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Another practical use! I was a grocery store yesterday, and passing through an aisle, and saw this :confused:
      Hemp milk - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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        Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

        Another practical use! I was a grocery store yesterday, and passing through an aisle, and saw this
        :confused: Hemp milk - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

        Does hemp have nipples? Like Lewis Black explains, it something doesn't have nipples it doesn't make milk, it makes juice.
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        Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

        Another practical use! I was a grocery store yesterday, and passing through an aisle, and saw this :confused:
        Hemp milk - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
        I used to be able to get that in CA in my sister's town -- It is INCREDIBLE. I love the heck out of that stuff and it's bizarro nutritious. It isn't sold out here that I can find yet and I'm kinda ticked off about it.

        Kurt - from what I've seen in stores - soy, rice, almond, etc -- if it's not clear, especially if it's white - it's milk. Just like coconut - you don't call coconut liquid "juice" - you call it "milk".
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          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

          I used to be able to get that in CA in my sister's town -- It is INCREDIBLE. I love the heck out of that stuff and it's bizarro nutritious. It isn't sold out here that I can find yet and I'm kinda ticked off about it.
          It was a Kroger Store, so they have Ralph's, Fred Meyer, QFC, on the west coast - it was in the healthfood section -
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          • Profile picture of the author HeySal
            Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

            It was a Kroger Store, so they have Ralph's, Fred Meyer, QFC, in the west - it was in the healthfood section -
            Thanks we have a Myer out here - I'll check for it there. That's where I get some of my organics anyhow, I just haven't seen it yet, maybe. But this is OR where they still run 1970 style killer pot campaigns so it might not be on the shelves at all.
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          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

          I used to be able to get that in CA in my sister's town -- It is INCREDIBLE. I love the heck out of that stuff and it's bizarro nutritious. It isn't sold out here that I can find yet and I'm kinda ticked off about it.

          Kurt - from what I've seen in stores - soy, rice, almond, etc -- if it's not clear, especially if it's white - it's milk. Just like coconut - you don't call coconut liquid "juice" - you call it "milk".
          If you notice the smiley face I used in my post, then google "lewis black" and discover he's a comedian, you should be able to see that it was a joke.
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            Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

            If you notice the smiley face I used in my post, then google "lewis black" and discover he's a comedian, you should be able to see that it was a joke.
            Uh........okay. If I were in the main forum I'd feel stupid - but this is the OT so I guess a little stupid is forgivable - if not actually expected. Never heard of him and in the mood for comedy, so I think maybe I'll just take the trip over. Will have to settle for juice to watch it, though - cause I can't find the hemp milk.
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