North Korea Vows Nuke Tests Will Target U.S.

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Looks like North Korea is delirious.

North Korea threatens new nuclear test 'aimed' at US
  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    They CAN do a lot of damage, and are crazy enough to try. They may have gotten a standing ovation for that.

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      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      They CAN do a lot of damage, and are crazy enough to try. They may have gotten a standing ovation for that.

      Steve

      They could do a lot of damage, but I'm thinking the US is watching North Korea very closely. The difference between North Korea & the US is, we have military all over the world, it's not confined to a single Geo location like the Korean peninsula. North Korea would also have to launch their rocket directly over Japan, I doubt that would go over very well.
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      • Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        They could do a lot of damage, but I'm thinking the US is watching North Korea very closely. The difference between North Korea & the US is, we have military all over the world, it's not confined to a single Geo location like the Korean peninsula. North Korea would also have to launch their rocket directly over Japan, I doubt that would go over very well.
        They could throw a curve ball over the pole, and put it right over home plate - D.C.! -
        (heck, the way things are going...we might not even mind that - we can just start from scratch! )
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        • Profile picture of the author yukon
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          Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

          They could throw a curve ball over the pole, and put right over home plate - D.C.! -
          (heck, the way things are going...we might not even mind that - we can just start from scratch! )

          One thing's for sure, If a North Korean rocket hits US soil, someone (Gov) on the US side would have to let it happen. There's absolutely no excuse for a rocket to even get 1/2 way over the Pacific heading towards the US.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    MMM I am VERY sorry I ran out of thanks. 8-(
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    BTW I just bought another gun. I had to wait maybe 15 minutes. 8-( Anyway, they had a sign showing the Gun salesman of the year. I WOULD tel you who it is, BUT....

    I said they should take out a full page in the wall street journal. It would probably go viral and they would be world famous!

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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      BTW I just bought another gun. I had to wait maybe 15 minutes. 8-( Anyway, they had a sign showing the Gun salesman of the year. I WOULD tel you who it is, BUT....

      I said they should take out a full page in the wall street journal. It would probably go viral and they would be world famous!

      Steve

      Your not going to shoot a rocket with a .22.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeff Williams
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        Your not going to shoot a rocket with a .22.
        I dunno. If I remember correctly, North Korea's last missile launch was taken out by ... a slight breeze. A .22 might be "overkill" ... :rolleyes:
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        • Profile picture of the author RichBeck
          Originally Posted by Jeff Williams View Post

          I dunno. If I remember correctly, North Korea's last missile launch was taken out by ... a slight breeze. A .22 might be "overkill" ... :rolleyes:
          Jeff,

          Perhaps, a "Super Soaker" should be the "weapon" of choice? :rolleyes:

          Take Care,

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    • Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      BTW I just bought another gun. I had to wait maybe 15 minutes. 8-( Anyway, they had a sign showing the Gun salesman of the year. I WOULD tel you who it is, BUT....

      I said they should take out a full page in the wall street journal. It would probably go viral and they would be world famous!

      Steve
      15 MINUTES? What? ...doesn't your state have drive-thru Gun Stores?

      Mine does - they're called "Drive Buys"
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

        15 MINUTES? What? ...doesn't your state have drive-thru Gun Stores?

        Mine does - they're called "Drive Buys"
        MAYBE it was 20 or 25. I didn't actually time it. And I bought the last one there. Another bought the one just before me, and we talked as our background checks cleared.

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  • Profile picture of the author RichBeck
    Originally Posted by yukon View Post

    Looks like North Korea is delirious.

    North Korea threatens new nuclear test 'aimed' at US
    yukon,

    I'm not worried.......

    The US of A has a bunch of "secret" weapons from SDI..... I doubt the missiles would make it 3/4 the way here before being shot down...

    Thanks, President Reagan!!

    God Bless,

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  • Profile picture of the author ozzie2012
    North Korea would be committing suicide if it did something really stupid. No one could be that stupid, could they?
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    • Originally Posted by ozzie2012 View Post

      North Korea would be committing suicide if it did something really stupid. No one could be that stupid, could they?
      Is that a rhetorical question? :p
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    Doing it just because they can.

    ... and if it is 'aimed' at us - isn't that an act of war?

    I hope we retaliate just because we can.

    Little Pudgy Prince needs to get that evil grin rearranged.

    It would look much better as a hemorrhoid.
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    • Profile picture of the author chrisj9ball
      Originally Posted by Patrician View Post

      Doing it just because they can.

      ... and if it is 'aimed' at us - isn't that an act of war?

      I hope we retaliate just because we can.

      Little Pudgy Prince needs to get that evil grin rearranged.

      It would look much better as a hemorrhoid.
      No it is not an act of war! look at the missles the U.S put on the border of russia,and germany. Is this not an act of war on part of the U.S, but still there is no war with russia.The U.S may not like them, but still they will never have a war.They might steal each other secrets though. North korea on the other hand is a diffrent story.Japan is more likely to get bombed than the U.S is. North Korea will never bomb the U.S,it will never get that far.Other countrys will stop the rockets befour they ever get there.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Looks like North Korea has a death wish. They make that move and they will be eradicated from the earth period. Wouldn't be very smart at all. They must be willing to sacrifice their whole country for this ideal, because that's exactly what they would be doing.

    Good thing to know that nobody has any interest in blowing up a place like Arkansas. There! I found something good about it! lol

    They were too dumb to legalize MJ, but at least they are too insignificant for anyone to want to blow us up!
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    Originally Posted by chrisj9ball View Post

    No it is not an act of war! look at the missles the U.S put on the border of russia,and germany. Is this not an act of war on part of the U.S, but still there is no war with russia.The U.S may not like them, but still they will never have a war.They might steal each other secrets though. North korea on the other hand is a diffrent story.Japan is more likely to get bombed than the U.S is. North Korea will never bomb the U.S,it will never get that far.Other countrys will stop the rockets befour they ever get there.
    Thank God for that.

    We will never sit down for them harming South Korea or Japan I would hope.

    What do you mean? We put missles on the border of Russia and Germany? You mean we PARKED them? I do not think you mean we fired them or announced that we were particularly aiming for them?

    I could be wrong because I am not "up" on all that data.

    I just think if Pudgy is going to act threateningly and create 'terror' then he needs to be 'deposed' - (and however that needs to happen, the sooner the better) -

    He is a threat to peace and possibly an INSANE MANIAC with a DANGEROUS WMD.
    Or just a Little Creep with a new toy....

    He could go the way of the Sadam School of How to Make a Graceful Exit and I know there are millions of oppressed North Koreans that might be liberated if "that family" was just a bad memory. Maybe we could just have Korea again and not North and South.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Patrician View Post

      Thank God for that.

      We will never sit down for them harming South Korea or Japan I would hope.

      What do you mean? We put missles on the border of Russia and Germany? You mean we PARKED them? I do not think you mean we fired them or announced that we were particularly aiming for them?

      I could be wrong because I am not "up" on all that data.

      I just think if Pudgy is going to act threateningly and create 'terror' then he needs to be 'deposed' - (and however that needs to happen, the sooner the better) -

      He is a threat to peace and possibly an INSANE MANIAC with a DANGEROUS WMD.
      Or just a Little Creep with a new toy....

      He could gothe way of the Sadam School of How to Make a Graceful Exit and I know there are millions of oppressed North Koreans that might be liberated if "that family" was just a bad memory. Maybe we could just have Korea again and not North and South.
      Germany had US military bases there since a bit after WWII. And several times, including one several years ago, we had missiles aimed at russia. They weren't actually USED though.

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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Well, after WWII nuclear bombs were declared OFF LIMITS! If NK does that, there could be international sanctions up to a world war. Hopefully NK is big enough tat the US can just send a little bomb there and blow up the government. But we wouldn't want to hurt SK. If it were m, I'd use the stealth bombers and blow up key parts of the military, weapons, and government with conventional weapons.

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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    i am really reactionary - i need to stop.

    it is my rendition of 'fight or flight' from the state of 'false euphoria' (including dungeons).

    all i should say about these things is i hope nothing bad happens.

    because one thing always leads to another and i sure don't want to get china mad at us - so hopefully someday they will DISCIPLINE him - and that might have an even bigger effect on them than 'boycotts' or 'sanctions' from us and our allies. I don't think they want to mess with China either...

    so yeah all that silly school yard bully stuff i just need to shine it on -

    and pray...

    "don't have any resentment when you are attacked by insult or tyranny"

    just shine it -
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  • Profile picture of the author KingArthur
    Originally Posted by yukon View Post

    Looks like North Korea is delirious.

    North Korea threatens new nuclear test 'aimed' at US

    When their enemy is perceived to be led by a weak leader it emboldens them to make such a threat, especially when their enemy's military is being dismantled against the wishes of the sane population that did not vote for that weak leader.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
    What do they have? A land based launching system? What a laugh. That's sooo 1950's

    Probably not a submarine based launching system. That's so 1960's, and they easily cost a billion, plus change.

    The new fad these days is the brand spankin' new Russian Club-K missile system.

    Of course, they are for defensive purposes only, that's why their capable of being put on small, harmless looking ships :rolleyes:


    Oh ya, I almost forgot this commercial. I like this one a lot better. Doesn't have the used car salesman feel to it, like the previous one did (keep this commercial secret, this commercial kind of goes against the defensive purposes only statement...)

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      Originally Posted by David Maschke View Post

      What do they have? A land based launching system? What a laugh. That's sooo 1950's

      Probably not a submarine based launching system. That's so 1960's, and they easily cost a billion, plus change.

      The new fad these days is the brand spankin' new Russian Club-K missile system.

      Of course, they are for defensive purposes only, that's why their capable of being put on small, harmless looking ships :rolleyes:

      Russian defense manufacturer is marketing the highly mobile Club-K missile container system - YouTube

      Oh ya, I almost forgot this commercial. I like this one a lot better. Doesn't have the used car salesman feel to it, like the previous one did (keep this commercial secret, this commercial kind of goes against the defensive purposes only statement...)

      So THAT's what's inside all the Russian shipping containers outside my house that hasn't been moved for about a year now! :rolleyes:

      They have a strange motorized sound inside them that turns on ever second hour or so and it lasts for about 2-3 minutes. Maybe they're arming and disarming themselves?
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      • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
        Originally Posted by taskemann View Post

        So THAT's what's inside all the Russian shipping containers outside my house that hasn't been moved for about a year now! :rolleyes:

        They have a strange motorized sound inside them that turns on ever second hour or so and it lasts for about 2-3 minutes. Maybe they're arming and disarming themselves?
        Possibly. Those commercials don't say it takes two years to fire after initiating the launch sequence, or they would never be sold.

        Outside my house, my neighbor has her little barking dog aimed right at my bedroom window. Let's air-drop that little mutt to Kim Jung's neighbor.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by David Maschke View Post

          Possibly. Those commercials don't say it takes two years to fire after initiating the launch sequence, or they would never be sold.

          Outside my house, my neighbor has her little barking dog aimed right at my bedroom window. Let's air-drop that little mutt to Kim Jung's neighbor.
          They DO say they MIGHT! They can be placed in strategic areas waiting patiently for a message. AND, with GPS, they DON'T need to know their orientation. Ironically, that IS what GPS was made for! Originally it was a US military device for targetting.

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      • Profile picture of the author Dustin Lyle
        Kim Jong-un, Who at around 30 years old and who's education comes from multiple generations of extreme censorship... Is one ignorant dude.

        Do they not see that the US is now reaching from the heavens with drones and have other UAVs that do amazingly crazy stuff? The fact is this- Korea has chosen to be left behind in a globalized world. Now they are grabbing at smoke just hoping to get ahold of something solid. Its never going to happen.

        At the present time, the US armed forces are over-strength and LOOKING for a reason to mobilize. Mark the words you read hear.. In the next 2 years, the USA will be INSIDE N Korea, *cough* Liberating the Oppressed from Tyranny.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by David Maschke View Post

      What do they have? A land based launching system? What a laugh. That's sooo 1950's

      Probably not a submarine based launching system. That's so 1960's, and they easily cost a billion, plus change.

      The new fad these days is the brand spankin' new Russian Club-K missile system.

      Of course, they are for defensive purposes only, that's why their capable of being put on small, harmless looking ships :rolleyes:

      Russian defense manufacturer is marketing the highly mobile Club-K missile container system - YouTube

      Oh ya, I almost forgot this commercial. I like this one a lot better. Doesn't have the used car salesman feel to it, like the previous one did (keep this commercial secret, this commercial kind of goes against the defensive purposes only statement...)

      I don't think I ever thought of that, which is embarrassing because it is sickeningly OBVIOUS. MAN! It wouldn't work on a plane, but almost anyplace else. And NOW, they even have these for HOMES.

      Of course they ARE supposed to Xray the containers, etc..., though there are ways to make that deadly, but they usually DON'T xray them!

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  • Profile picture of the author Oliver Williams
    These dictators are very frightened people, frightened of losing power, being attacked and frightened of their people realising the truth (god forbid) about the endless lies, corruption and propaganda that they have been feeding their own people for so long.

    It's like the homeless dog who bites first for fear of being attacked.
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    • Profile picture of the author Thomas
      Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

      They could throw a curve ball over the pole, and put it right over home plate - D.C.! -
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      There's absolutely no excuse for a rocket to even get 1/2 way over the Pacific heading towards the US.
      Originally Posted by RichBeck View Post

      The US of A has a bunch of "secret" weapons from SDI..... I doubt the missiles would make it 3/4 the way here before being shot down...
      I think people have misconceptions about the possibility of defence against attack by an ICBM.

      Simply put, there is none.

      They don't come 'at you' through the atmosphere like an aircraft does... they basically drop on your head from orbit at several thousand miles an hour.

      That's why even the most outlandish stuff in Reagan's SDI (most of which never worked) was intended to target them just after they were launched - that's the only time they are potentially vulnerable, and even that is only for a few minutes (at best). (Note the recent Russian threats to destroy the (now-cancelled) US "missile shield" based in Poland unless they could station officers at the site... it was simply too close to their fixed launch sites to not be considered a threat).

      That's why both sides in the Cold War adopted the MAD doctrine in the first place (i.e. "we can't stop you nuking us but, if you do, we can still nuke you back").

      That's also why existing nuclear powers go to such lengths to stop other countries "joining the club" but, once they do, the threats, sanctions, etc. evaporate. That even happens among allies (e.g. it happened between the US and the UK right after WW2).

      Originally Posted by Patrician View Post

      ... and if it is 'aimed' at us - isn't that an act of war?
      The Russians still have most of their nuclear arsenal pointed in your general direction even today, Pat... but they aren't at war with you.

      Originally Posted by Patrician View Post

      I could be wrong because I am not "up" on all that data.
      You should look up background to the Cuban Missile Crisis: The reason the US would have been willing to go to war over the presence of missiles in Cuba is (almost) the same reason the Russians were willing to attack the Polish "missile shield" mentioned above. It's also noteworthy that the Soviets didn't agree to back down until the US agreed to remove it's missiles from Turkey... again, the reasons are pretty much the same.

      Originally Posted by Dustin Lyle View Post

      Mark the words you read hear.. In the next 2 years, the USA will be INSIDE N Korea, *cough* Liberating the Oppressed from Tyranny.
      Doubt it, unless the Chinese agree (which they won't; expecting them to be ok with a US-occupied North Korea would be like expecting the US to be ok with a Chinese-occupied Canada or Mexico... it simply won't happen). Look at the last time the US was in North Korea; it, the South Koreans, and the UN forces all thought they were about to be victorious... and then a million Chinese troops poured over the border (and that was before China was a nuclear power).
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  • Profile picture of the author candoit2
    Doesn't the US have the capability to shoot it down quickly from within S.Korea?
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    • Profile picture of the author Thomas
      Originally Posted by AaronJones View Post

      Doesn't the US have the capability to shoot it down quickly from within S.Korea?
      No, 'fraid not.

      The South Koreans do though, as do the Japanese. However, the problem is that the missile defences of both countries are designed to intercept short-range stuff fired at them, not the US. Neither could intercept a missile fired from North Korea on a trajectory aimed at the United States.

      The US could try to intecept it as it falls back into the atmosphere, but imagine someone fired a bullet at your head... and the only way you could stop it was to try hitting it with another, smaller, bullet... and you could only fire when it was a few feet from your head... and you weren't certain exactly what direction to fire in... and, even if you do manage to hit it, that might only be a decoy bullet... the real one is actually over there, and still heading for you

      That's the level of difficulty involved. It could be done in theory... but I, personally, wouldn't want to bet money on it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Thomas
        Originally Posted by Thomas View Post

        Neither could intercept a missile fired from North Korea on a trajectory aimed at the United States.
        By the way, that assumes anyone can be sure it is actually an attack.

        You should google the so-called "Black Brant scare" in the 90s: Basically, a research rocket launched from Norway appeared on Russian radar with the exact speed and trajectory that suggested it was actually a missile launched by a submarine as the opening shot of appeared to be an imminent nuclear attack by the US.

        However, by the time they could make sure wasn't an attack, 8 of the 10 minutes alloted to deciding whether to launch their missiles against the US in response had already elapsed!

        In other words: You need to be really, really, really, really sure!
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Unfortunately, Thomas is mostly right. We REALLY have only a small time to stop an ICBM. If it DOES go high up, and come down, as he says, all we could do is send a similar missile with a primary goal to hit the missile, and a secondary one to attack the aggressor. It may not even hit the missile BUT, to hit it, the US missile would likely have to be faster. And who knows what the implications would be of an explosion that high up.

    We couldn't use a plane, and I don't think we have the ability to us sattelites for this. We COULD use a submarine or destroyer to gain a bit of an advantage though, with ICBMs. It could ALSO obliterate NK so the world has time to say good riddance and celebrate before the US is hit by the first missile.

    We can't REALLY hit it right at the launch, because we wouldn't know where it was going. We can't hit it within say a minute or so of it taking off because the radiation could spread all over.

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  • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
    You guys are right about ICBM's. I know Russia upgraded theirs to change trajectory, making it impossible to shoot them down.
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  • Profile picture of the author ikhwanudin
    If North Korea attacks United States, US can destroy North Korea. North Korea is a nobody in front of United States, when it comes to military power.
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