Empower Network Parody Video

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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    Pretty funny - especially to people making $90,000 a year from Empower Network (I know one personally). I bet they don't think it's a scam.

    Now if you are a freebie seeking tire kicker than yeah, anything over $5 is always a scam.

    It is very funny video though - and could be applied to so many programs.

    However I regret that this 'perception' that you equate EN with Scam may harm people's ability to sell EmpowerNet.

    (btw - I 'm not a member) - ... just sayin'
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Patrician View Post

      Pretty funny - especially to people making $90,000 a year from Empower Network (I know one personally). I bet they don't think it's a scam.
      I'm sure they hope it isn't, anyway.

      To be fair, though, exactly the same has been true of many people in many other business opportunities of broadly similar financial structure, who were earning six-figure incomes until, two or three years further down the line, a court did actually decide that they were scams after all. So the fact that some people have high incomes, in itself, has been shown many times to be far from a reliable indication of whether something's a scam. "Just saying".
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      • Profile picture of the author Patrician
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        I'm sure they hope it isn't, anyway.

        To be fair, though, exactly the same has been true of many people in many other business opportunities of broadly similar financial structure, who were earning six-figure incomes until, two or three years further down the line, a court did actually decide that they were scams after all. So the fact that some people have high incomes, in itself, has been shown many times to be far from a reliable indication of whether something's a scam. "Just saying".
        I will wait for the other shoe to drop then - however, we have been watching EN for a few years - and so far no indication of anything bad, except as I say, the perception so many have that it is a scam.

        Stranger things have happened than me being wrong -

        On the one hand I like the fact that people have to buy the products themselves in order to earn commissions on them.

        On the other, I don't like that you have to spend money to make money.

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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by Patrician View Post

          I like the fact that people have to buy the products themselves in order to earn commissions on them.
          Yes, I like that, too.

          I hope it's all legal and proper and correct; I really do.

          As with all similarly-founded concerns, one never knows with certainty until a court has arrived at a ruling, and of course that commonly happens even after several years. But given the circumstances of their business model, I can't help wondering whether, at some point, they're going to be standing in a court at the "request" of a regulator, trying to justify the proposition that $25 per month for hosting one Wordpress-ish blog on their network is "fair value" in the current market, and that that's therefore all the entry-level people are paying for, rather than being deemed (by the court) actually to be paying extra for "the right to promote a business opportunity" simply because the product-price seems not to be "fair value" in the current market.

          Similar things have happened to other companies who were short of genuine retail customers and whose entry-level product seemed not to be "fair value" (in that people wouldn't - and didn't - buy it without the business opportunity also being attached, which is clearly not legal and proper and correct).

          Even the most pro-network-marketing lawyers in the world acknowledge that the products have to be "fair value" for the whole thing to be legal, and that if you're actually "paying to play", on the quiet, then you have a big problem: Law Offices of Nehra and Waak - Are They Worth It?

          On the other hand, admittedly, a few other companies in which one would think the participants are fairly clearly "paying to play", because there are almost no "genuine retail customers" at all and only the business opportunity is ever promoted, do seem - albeit very surprisingly to many lawyers - to have survived for much longer than EN has, to date.
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        • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
          Originally Posted by Patrician View Post

          I will wait for the other shoe to drop then - however, we have been watching EN for a few years - and so far no indication of anything bad, except as I say, the perception so many have that it is a scam.

          Stranger things have happened than me being wrong -

          On the one hand I like the fact that people have to buy the products themselves in order to earn commissions on them.

          On the other, I don't like that you have to spend money to make money.

          You have not been watching Empower Network for a few years. It's only been
          around for 17 months.

          The scam part of EN is all the illegal income claims. They'll get whacked eventually.
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    • Profile picture of the author Gwirwin
      If I knew some one that was really making $90k from EN personally then I would be all over that program like white on rice.
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    • Profile picture of the author Gwirwin
      That really is a laugh. Where in the heck did you get the same green screen and back scene that those guys used...hehe!
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      • Profile picture of the author KnockYourBlogOff
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        Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

        I liked the way Harry Wood (AKA JL) kept dropping his sharpie.
        LOL I know that was pretty funny.

        Originally Posted by masterjani View Post

        video was really excellent and explains how EN is now going
        I never liked the look of EN. The way Dave n Dave talk about it, they make it seem like they built it themselves. IE. Dave likes to brag that he "build a website that has like a million views per day" as if he did it himself, when in fact, his lackeys do all the work for him. Why else would they pitch the whole 'blog every day' ra ra rah???

        Originally Posted by Gwirwin View Post

        That really is a laugh. Where in the heck did you get the same green screen and back scene that those guys used...hehe!
        Well I guess Jamie Lewis is loaded so he has access to all sorts of goodies.
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  • Profile picture of the author HTG
    It's junk. Unethical blatant scam. And the creators (both Davids) are total dix.

    I say that from first hand experience as one of the early members. Can't believe people are falling for the crap being promoted there. Idiots. (and yes I just called myself an idiot)

    Edit: Funny vid tho, LOL
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    • Profile picture of the author dchestnut
      Originally Posted by HTG View Post

      It's junk. Unethical blatant scam. And the creators (both Davids) are total dix.

      I say that from first hand experience as one of the early members. Can't believe people are falling for the crap being promoted there. Idiots. (and yes I just called myself an idiot)

      Edit: Funny vid tho, LOL
      Hi. Can you be more specific as to why you think it's a scam?
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    • Profile picture of the author scrunchie
      The long haired Dave's hair isn't greasy enough in this vid!
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    The video is funny.Someone else posted it here about a week or so ago but since he didn't name the program a lot of people missed viewing it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tyler Pratt
      Did someone say Parody?

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    • Profile picture of the author Devin X
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      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      The video is funny.Someone else posted it here about a week or so ago but since he didn't name the program a lot of people missed viewing it.
      LOL thanks. I know people missed it but I wanted to be discrete about it so we didn't come off as haters. I'm glad someone decided to re-post it.

      PS. Damn, this opened up a can of worms, didn't it?
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      • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
        Originally Posted by TheRealDudeman View Post

        PS. Damn, this opened up a can of worms, didn't it?
        This can would be opened sooner or later anyway.

        I stayed away from EN because of the presentation style and because you have to promote their products that get expensive. Overall, it just does not set right with me.

        With your own products, or the affiliate products you choose to market, you get to remain truer to your personal tastes, passions, style, and reputation... All of which should be important considerations before you endorse anything IMHO.

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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by TheRealDudeman View Post

        Damn, this opened up a can of worms, didn't it?
        Confucius, he say: "Worm-can openable only when worms already inside, hello".
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        • Profile picture of the author KimW
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          Confucius, he say: "Worm-can openable only when worms already inside, hello".
          Worm Can with no worm is only a can.
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        • Profile picture of the author Shelly9
          I am a little late to this thread, but I would like to comment. Maybe someone would benefit from it. In my opinion, the reason that this has opened a can of worms is because, MLM/network marketing, whatever you choose to call it, is by nature hyped to the max EVERYDAY. There are mastermind calls, secret groups, groups for newbies, facebook groups, the "inside", the "outside", the "inner circle", and on and on. There are Monday night pep talks lasting sometimes for hours. EVERY WEEK.

          Does anyone ever stop to think to themselves, "Gosh, I wonder why I have to keep getting pep talks and power talks and shouted (brain washing)?" EN is designed so that everyone will continue to pay their monthly fees and continue to upgrade to the $100, $1000, $15,000 product all while they "buy" the promise of profit for absolutely no work. And, I am sorry, but if you want to try to convince me that making money by selling a membership to a system that actually produces nothing is "work", don't waste your time. It all exists because there are desperate people out there that want to hope in something and the only people getting rich are the ones that got in FIRST. Not right. And by the way, the next big MLM (which i am sure they have in the works already) will be leaked to the top 30 people who have the biggest lists and they will make the most money again. And again. And again. It makes me sick. I guess if I got all dressed up, got my own youtube channel, made a lot of money and told everyone about my red Kool-Aid and how it was the only way to really retire, it would be legit?
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  • Profile picture of the author Young Financier
    Sounds like a spot-on description of MLM and the people who pitch them.
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    • Profile picture of the author KimW
      Originally Posted by Sean T Alexandre View Post

      Sounds like a spot-on description of MLM and the people who pitch them.
      It most definitely IS MLM.
      That in itself is not bad.
      I currently am in a health related MLM and love it.Why,because the product works.
      I tried the above company and was out after the 1st 30 days.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by KimW View Post

        It most definitely IS MLM.
        I may have this all wrong, but I thought not, actually, Kim. It's clearly "network marketing" (I don't think anyone could possibly dispute that?), but that isn't always the same thing as being "MLM", you know? All MLM companies are network marketing companies, but not all network marketing companies are MLM companies.

        An "MLM" (in the US, in Europe, and I think in most countries where there are legal definitions of these things) is a network marketing company in which the commissions paid by the company on sales of the company's products and/or services are divided between multiple levels of distributors.

        I don't believe that's actually the case in EN, is it? (I think all the sales "passed up" are passed up in their entirety, i.e. without being "divided" at all?)

        If it isn't, then regulators and courts are certainly not going to consider it an MLM company, even if that's how many of its own distributors/affiliates mistakenly think of it, and even if that's how they represent it.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    We just have to agree to disagree on this one Alexa.
    Have you joined the company? I did.
    And promptly quit.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I don't know that there's anything illegal about EN - in fact, I thought it was a reincarnation of the Empower program promoted in much the same way a few years ago - quite similar claims about it.

      I dislike it because it's a sheeple program - people are joining it expecting huge payouts but I've found very few people (like can count them on one hand) who tell me they have RECEIVED and BANKED money from this program.

      I don't like companies where the devotees try to insert their little ads into every forum or conversation online and that's the case with EN.
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      • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        people are joining it expecting huge payouts
        Not much chance of that when they've all been sent here to advertise it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Have you joined the company? I did.
      No, I haven't.

      I like network marketing, and I think it's a good business model, but only with genuine retail products not available elsewhere at lower prices, and very long-established companies.

      I did look at this, but my legal advice (and from a lawyer who specialises in this kind of thing) was that sooner or later it's going to end up in court, and not last for ever.

      I also didn't like what I saw of the "ethos and culture", and the language used, and the backgrounds of the owners and leading participants.

      So I gave it a very wide berth.

      I don't question that some people are making some decent money in it. While it lasts.

      I suspect (but don't know for sure) that a significant proportion of them are people who've previously done exactly the same thing in a number of other network marketing companies involved in "passing up sales", which haven't survived for the long term. Not for me, really.

      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      I don't like companies where the devotees try to insert their little ads into every forum or conversation online and that's the case with EN.
      This does also seem to be true, yes. They seem pretty spammy, overall. I don't know whether that's something they actively teach/encourage as part of their training/culture, though - it might just be an unpleasant and unfortunate coincidence.
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      • Profile picture of the author KimW
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        No, I haven't.

        I like network marketing, and I think it's a good business model, but only with genuine retail products not available elsewhere at lower prices, and very long-established companies.

        I did look at this, but my legal advice (and from a lawyer who specialises in this kind of thing) was that sooner or later it's going to end up in court, and not last for ever.

        I also didn't like what I saw of the "ethos and culture", and the language used, and the backgrounds of the owners and leading participants.

        So I gave it a very wide berth.

        I don't question that some people are making some decent money in it. While it lasts.

        I suspect (but don't know for sure) that a significant proportion of them are people who've previously done exactly the same thing in a number of other network marketing companies involved in "passing up sales", which haven't survived for the long term. Not for me, really.



        This does also seem to be true, yes. They seem pretty spammy, overall. I don't know whether that's something they actively teach/encourage as part of their training/culture, though - it might just be an unpleasant and unfortunate coincidence.
        The company I stayed with has all the attributes you like in a MLM except the longevity. But all companies have to have a starting point.
        It IS a physical product and for a lot of people it works!
        That is what counts in my book.
        Plus,it is healthy
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Kay,
    I don't know if it is illegal,but I am with you in that I feel it is a sheeple program. I know Facebook stopped taking ads from them,and considering how much FB loves money,that should tell you something.
    As far as people making huge amounts of money? The founders and a few under them do make massive amounts of money,but by the time you get further down, the actual money made by the average person is very measly.

    Me,I had a problem with their ethics,which is saying this is what you need to do,then when you join it is something completely different.

    As a friend and well know warrior and marketer says when this is brought up, "Why would you sell someone else's product and not your own"?
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    You know I never thought EN would fly with our program because we have many 'newbies' and people just scoping out IM and 'gettting their feet wet' - and (even to an 'oldie' like me) $25 seems like about the limit I would've paid were I still doing affiliate marketing myself. But you know what? what can you really buy for $25? dinner? one shoe? What would you expect to get for that?

    I can't believe how many people are joining AND upgrading - because I think, and not due to larceny or ethics or anything else but reality, companies are finding out when you have 'free' or 'cheap' your company is going to be full of 'dead wood' - you will pay a thousand times to support them and do everything you can to encourage them and they will just get deader and deader (and more 'entitled') - and your company will never go anywhere.

    It is a mindset - now what is selling with EN are the products that cost over $1000 - and many are going 'All In' - which is several thousand dollars. (what breaks my heart is the people that think that paying is all they need to do and they will never get anywhere).

    They will invest their last $1000 and then sit there and wonder why it doesn't come back to them - (it would never dawn on them they have to work HARD to promote their business - if it costs $5 or $5000 - don't sit and wait to see 'what happens' - because it will be exactly nothing unless they are consistent and aggressive in their advertising and marketing and don't believe in the tooth fairy.

    I can't really say anything about EN first-hand because I never joined - but as I said I see a great deal of response among our members and they are traveling to go to events, always involved in all the excitement and only a few sales will get them their investment back - because we are talking BIG numbers (big to me).

    Like Stone says - it is easier to get 4 sales than 200 sales - I guess it depends who you are trying to sell it to - and the 4 need to think big commissions not measly $5 or whatever... Somehow the people who are going 'All In' seem very sophisticated to me. (maybe because I would never in my wildest dreams be able to invest that kind of money in something that is not a 'sure thing').

    Kay - Empower Network has nothing to do with Empowerism - Empowerism went out of business and Janet is missing in action from what I understand. There is no association at all - but maybe they would have chosen a different name either because it was being used by Janet or because Empowerism started to suck and then tanked.

    It also had no similar claims or anything even remotely resembling EN as far as I know - They had "profit sharing" (which only worked the first year). They had a magazine and a few measly tools - that was it.

    EN is very different from Empowerism, especially in the products it promotes. ... and by the way they are real products - better be for that price, yo?

    Just the word 'empower' is a 'buzz word' - always has been in IM (in my 9 years) - I think I even just saw food or something with that name - I was just at the supermarket so it must be food - but I know I saw it somewhere and can't remember - I think some sports drink maybe.


    Alexa - I could never live like that (chicken) but I guess people are willing to take risks and will 'ride the wave' - get the money while they can - if the company tanks I would rather have it happen to people that have recovered their investment (made money with the program) - and that they can be glad 'it was great while it lasted' -

    ... let's face it nothing lasts forever.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Patrician View Post

      Ywhat can you really buy for $25? dinner? one shoe? What would you expect to get for that?
      I don't think this is the relevant question, is it? I think the relevant question is "how much do you normally pay for a hosted Wordpress-ish blog?" And if the answer's significantly less than $25 per month, there's the problem. And I think the answer is significantly less than $25 per month, and that will turn into a problem. Because those people are really "paying to play", and that's not really legal, is it?

      Originally Posted by Patrician View Post

      Like Stone says - it is easier to get 4 sales than 200 sales
      Yes - I see this, and I agree with it.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...marketing.html
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      • Profile picture of the author KimW
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        I don't think this is the relevant question, is it? I think the relevant question is "how much do you normally pay for a hosted Wordpress-ish blog?" And if the answer's significantly less than $25 per month, there's the problem. And I think the answer is significantly less than $25 per month, and that will turn into a problem. Because those people are really "paying to play", and that's not really legal, is it?



        Yes - I see this, and I agree with it.

        http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...marketing.html
        I have to agree. I am trying to refrain from going into details about what my problems were with the company, but it is hard not to.
        For instance,there $25 a month,for a WP site they could do themselves for about $10 a month, actually turns immediately into an almost $50 a month situation because you have to use their payment processor and both the payment processing and the $25 a month website are re-occurring fees.
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        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        I don't think this is the relevant question, is it? I think the relevant question is "how much do you normally pay for a hosted Wordpress-ish blog?" And if the answer's significantly less than $25 per month, there's the problem. And I think the answer is significantly less than $25 per month, and that will turn into a problem. Because those people are really "paying to play", and that's not really legal, is it?


        I don't see a problem here. You're not just paying for a blog, you're paying to have a blog on their site and that's where the value is. This is not an uncommon business model.

        "Paying to play" as you put it, or paying to become an affiliate, is optional.



        (No I'm not an EN member)

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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by rondo View Post

          "Paying to play" as you put it, or paying to become an affiliate, is optional.
          That's exactly the question that courts have to decide, in such cases, Andrew.

          That and what proportion of people exercise the option (which "ought" to be 30% or fewer, according to what they refer to as "the 70% rule").

          When American courts make such determinations, they typically base them on two things, according to their own precedents ...

          (i) Equivalent prices elsewhere, because if equivalent prices elsewhere are all significantly lower, that might suggest that a component of the payment is really "to play" and that the company is merely trying to disguise that fact (that price-comparison wouldn't help Empower Network, would it? ); and ...

          (ii) The proportion of buyers of the entry-level product/service who are genuine retail customers not involved at all in the business opportunity (which courts and regulators like to be 70% or over, because it's considered evidence that the product/service is "fair value" if retail customers are buying it - and that's not going to help them either, I think?)

          Even the most pro-network-marketing lawyers in the world acknowledge that the products have to be "fair value" for the whole thing to be legal, and that if you're actually "paying to play", on the quiet, then you have a big problem: Law Offices of Nehra and Waak - Are They Worth It?

          Those were the two main reasons the lawyer with whom I discussed it thought that it was illegal, anyway. But until a court rules, it's all opinion.

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        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        I don't think this is the relevant question, is it? I think the relevant question is "how much do you normally pay for a hosted Wordpress-ish blog?" And if the answer's significantly less than $25 per month, there's the problem. And I think the answer is significantly less than $25 per month, and that will turn into a problem. Because those people are really "paying to play", and that's not really legal, is it?



        Yes - I see this, and I agree with it.

        http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...marketing.html
        It's not just a wordpress-ish blog, it's a customizable wordpress-ish blog on an authority domain with a community of support, and the contact details of your sponsor to ask questions.
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        Also, that's a misleading headline on the fhtm article. It wasn't shut down, it was temporarily suspended because 96% of people made less than $1k. Then all the leaders left because they couldn't get paid anymore.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    Yes - the mindset is one of entitlement.

    I don't understand why people think that businesses are not supposed to make a profit. They give and give and people don't even think they deserve to recover THEIR investment in having a system, program, community etc. They are supposed to be charity organizations that just do it so everybody else can make money?

    Believe me I see this from both sides and while as I said I do not do affiliate marketing, mlm, or even network marketing - I have tried and tried - i just have no passion for any of it. and I love the internet marketing industry - but my thing is services - technical etc - that's what i do.

    So go to blogger and have a blog there (from what i hear that can be real good being it is Google - ugly or whatever - it is free - and may B good 4 SEO right now).

    Even WP you have to have a host and a domain - so wow we better call out the mounties somebody is making $10 someplace. It's not me so it is not fair.

    Seriously everything is optional - if you don't think it is fair, don't do it.

    Simple.

    anyway - i guess this is one place we will have to agree to disagree.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    I don't see anyone saying any business shouldn't make a profit,as long as it is honest and legal.

    And ,as I said earlier, a friend of mine made an excellent point when they said they didn't understand selling someone else's IM products when they have their own to sell.
    Which is what EN is selling,

    I think my friend makes a very good point.

    Now getting back to the OP, whether you like EN or don't,they video is very funny.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    yes but kim - that is a major selling point of WHY people are affiliates - because they do not have the knowledge/skills or maybe capital to create their own product - so the programs give them the right to make money from their intellectual property and other resources.

    .. and it costs money to run a site/program - they have hosting, technical and admin support, they paid to develop the program (programmers, etc) - they need to cover their expenses - and i do think it is fair for them to make a profit.

    Did you ever price a payment gateway? that is one of the first things i lost money on - monthly fees to every credit card - with or without sales - and then other fees if there are sales - i mean it is a list of things you have to pay to accept payments - (why people put up with paypal).

    So I would be the first one to protest that 'e-wallet' charge - however i can see why it costs money (and $25 is cheap compared to what I paid in the above scenario).
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    None of this matters to me in the long run.
    It is like what you said above Pat:
    "Seriously everything is optional - if you don't think it is fair, don't do it.

    Simple."

    and I usually don't even discuss this unless I am asked directly,then I give my honest opinion.
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  • Profile picture of the author rondo
    "if you're actually "paying to play", on the quiet, then you have a big problem"

    It's not on the quiet. The $25/mo blog does not enable you to become a reseller. You need to pay a separate fee of $19.95 if you choose to be a reseller.


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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by rondo View Post

      It's not on the quiet.
      It is if there's a pretence that the blog offered is worth $25 per month and the court thinks that's it's really worth $5 per month and the remaining $20 is actually a concealed additional charge for the right to promote the business opportunity.

      Originally Posted by rondo View Post

      The $25/mo blog does not enable you to become a reseller. You need to pay a separate fee of $19.95 if you choose to be a reseller.
      Yes, thanks, Andrew: I'm well aware of the separate $19 charge (though that doesn't actually work as you allege: it's an administrative fee), and so was the lawyer who gave me the opinion that it was illegal.

      Even the most pro-network-marketing lawyers in the world acknowledge that the products have to be "fair value" for the whole thing to be legal, and that if you're actually "paying to play", on the quiet, then you have a big problem: Law Offices of Nehra and Waak - Are They Worth It?

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  • Profile picture of the author CrossCreations
    Hysterical video!!!

    Curiosity killed this cat. I did join EN, then promptly quit. Call me a 'wussie' but I smelled a rat. Lots of rats. I'd be embarassed to promote such a gig. Found it sad.

    Network marketing already has a lousy reputation, even though there are some reputable companies who make some of the highest quality products available. So maybe the saddest is what they are doing to further diminish an already suffering MLM reputation.

    Here they are selling 'advanced training' and yet their reps spammed social media to the point of being banned from facebook??? Wow, nice training.

    No physical product. Expensive 'training' that's mostly upsells.

    No refunds. No integrity. No can do.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael_Le
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      Originally Posted by CrossCreations View Post

      Here they are selling 'advanced training' and yet their reps spammed social media to the point of being banned from facebook??? Wow, nice training.

      No physical product. Expensive 'training' that's mostly upsells.
      some of their vids are also starting to be banned from utube now as well
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      • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
        Originally Posted by Michael_Le View Post

        some of their vids are also starting to be banned from utube now as well
        I am so shocked and amazed. :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author masterjani
    video was really excellent and explains how EN is now going
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  • Profile picture of the author OmarNegron
    I needed to laugh today. This video hit the spot!

    To funny! Thanks for sharing!!

    LOVED IT! haha

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    Lolololol. That is hilarious!
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
    What is the Empower Network? Lol, I just posted the same question in another forum thread.

    All I see on the site is hype & what looks like a pyramid scheme (no product).

    Anyone? Bueller?
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    • Profile picture of the author KnockYourBlogOff
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      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      What is the Empower Network? Lol, I just posted the same question in another forum thread.

      All I see on the site is hype & what looks like a pyramid scheme (no product).

      Anyone? Bueller?
      LOL it IS a pyramid scheme...a very clever one too. You almost get jealous when you study its structure and how viral it's become. imagine getting 1000's of affiliates to PAY YOU between 25-125/month to promote YOUR products!? It's a dream isn't it? Well that's EN in a nutshell.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
        Originally Posted by KnockYourBlogOff View Post

        LOL it IS a pyramid scheme...a very clever one too. You almost get jealous when you study its structure and how viral it's become. imagine getting 1000's of affiliates to PAY YOU between 25-125/month to promote YOUR products!? It's a dream isn't it? Well that's EN in a nutshell.

        That was my first impression (pyramid scheme), after looking at the site.

        So IMers sell their own products (or affiliate products) to other IMers, & EN just provides traffic? Do they actually provide traffic for IMers to sell their own product, or is the whole thing just revolving around recruiting new people into the scheme? I'm trying to type this with a straight face.
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    • Profile picture of the author SunilTanna
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      What is the Empower Network? Lol, I just posted the same question in another forum thread.

      All I see on the site is hype & what looks like a pyramid scheme (no product).

      Anyone? Bueller?
      Here's one person's ( a non member I believe for reasons that will become obvious if you read the review) opinion that you might finding interesting Empower Network Review: Customers or affiliates? | BehindMLM

      Update: Try this one also - same author - http://behindmlm.com/companies/is-ca...power-network/
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      • Profile picture of the author KnockYourBlogOff
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        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        So IMers sell their own products (or affiliate products) to other IMers, & EN just provides traffic? Do they actually provide traffic for IMers to sell their own product, or is the whole thing just revolving around recruiting new people into the scheme? I'm trying to type this with a straight face.
        Close, but not exactly. Check out the link that SunilTanna posted, since it explains EN very well.

        Originally Posted by SunilTanna View Post

        Here's one person's ( a non member I believe for reasons that will become obvious if you read the review) opinion that you might finding interesting Empower Network Review: Customers or affiliates? | BehindMLM

        Update: Try this one also - same author - Is cash gifting the core of the Empower Network? | BehindMLM
        Awesome share! Thanks Tanna! There is something very wrong with the structure of EN.
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    • Profile picture of the author CrossCreations
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      What is the Empower Network? Lol, I just posted the same question in another forum thread.

      All I see on the site is hype & what looks like a pyramid scheme (no product).

      Anyone? Bueller?
      I am NOT with EN, but was a member for a short time, and published this post about my experiences with them after I quit.

      Sour on the Empower Network

      It is tough to find unbiased reviews since their affiliate links are like an avalanche in the search engines. Even if I did think there might be potential for income, I'd never promote it.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I joined something like that, or that, when I first got online. It ended up in me filing a complaint with my bank for a chargeback.

    To make these things, and yes they are pyramid schemes, legal - there has to be an exchange of goods and/or services for the member's investment. The one I joined gave email addresses in exchange for the monthly fee, but it was still an obligation of mine to recruit if I was going to make any ROI that mattered. Very borderline legal. Had it not been for the email addresses, the borderline would have disappeared.

    Anyway - long story short, when I quit they changed their mind about how much notice I had to give to get out, being unaware that I had screenshots. Hell - I was a newbie and basically stupid enough to drool a little now and then when determining what I was doing with anything technological. Who'd have thought that someone so close to being mentally flatlined enough to join their company would be sharp enough to take screenshots. Well the insuing brewhaha ended up with a pretty nice little investigation of the "service". It did not shut them down but it sure did get me a fast refund.
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  • Profile picture of the author Harry Art
    Haha this video is hilarious, loved it.

    For the non members who where wondering about EN

    Its def not a scam, I should know, I own all the products 1. en blog network 2. inner circle 3. costa rica intensive 4. 15k formula 5. mastermind course

    & I will say I have def made money with EN & have build a residual income

    You just have to invest alot in the beginning thats the only problem, but you will see results in the long run
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    • Profile picture of the author KnockYourBlogOff
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      Originally Posted by Harry Art View Post

      Its def not a scam, I should know, I own all the products
      It definitely IS a scam. I should create my own affiliate program where my affiliates have to pay me $125 per month before they can promote my products... I'll give them 100% on the front end and then milk the backend since they'll be building my list! haha it works really well with EN, so it should work well for me too. :p
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  • Profile picture of the author jessmonsilva
    The thing is en is really clever because they are actually making people pay for a product that true you could do for free or cheaper but the kicker is in the domain. What do I mean by this, basically, if you look at alexa rankings en is like 150 or something pretty high like that I can't remember. If you're trying to get your blog seen and viewed for exposure, sure you can apply seo strategies and what not, but if you don't know seo or other ways of getting your blog exposed easily enough being on that empower network domain makes things a whole lot easier. I was in empower network and while me personally I didn't mind the 25 dollars a month, it was once they start getting you to upgrade to all their products to earn so much money. Your initial investment if you want to go all in is like $5100 in investment, and I'm sorry, but most people don't really have that much to invest especially with no guarantees of getting it back. Then you have to keep paying 125 a month so you can continue to get all the commissions. It annoyed me that for the $25 you only got the blogging platform. I understand if you want to upsell and have people buy more training products but at least in my oppinion that $25 a month investment should have had some training on how to use your blog and get it exposed. Instead, you have to pay an extra $100 just to even get a tiny bit of there training, and that's what annoys me about en.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    It is up to an individual to decide if it is a scam.

    I personally feel it is and I joined just to see the inside. (No, I did not go "all in" as they try to convince you to do).

    Even the $25 a month blog is really $45,\because they charge/require you to use their payment processor,which is an additional $20 a month.

    I know quite a few people that have joined. I usually ask them 2 questions,have you made any money? They usually say yes.

    Then I ask if they are making more than they are spending monthly. That answer is usually either a not yet or a flat out no.

    I could go on and on but I won't.

    The video is quite funny.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    ewwww. I hate people that pretend to be so savvy and wise but their little version of their "truth" just doesn't quite ring true in fact.

    In your article - you mention Plug-In Profit Site and the 'cookie cutter' sites. Our sites are fully customizable, built on the Wordpress platform, (blog themes are 'cookie cutter' too or is that reserved for your melodramatics?)

    ... and you can customize it to include any other program you have that is not related to the ones we 'force' on you -- BTW (they are all optional other than the host which also includes an autoresponder for the website we will build for free. (+ 1 affiliate program - all for about $10 a month)

    It's a place to start - something to build on for newbies-- and oldies: we have many famous internet marketing success stories that started with PIPS - and some of the bigger ones are still partners with us. Including Ewen Chia, Russell Brunson, Joel Therien, even Allen Says, Willie Crawford and Mike Filsaime go way back. Lifetime membership is free and you can always get the latest version for free as many times as you come and go -

    In your article - you mention how Empower Network is so egregious with their commission structure - you say nobody can earn commissions unless they go 'all in' - that's not true. (a lie)

    The basic starter is $25 plus $20 for the e-wallet. You can earn $25 commissions.
    If you go to $100 you can earn $100 commissions
    If you go to $500 you can earn $500 commissions
    and on up to what is called "All In" $997 and $3500.

    Note: I am not a member of Empower Network and it doesn't affect me whether you like them or not. but if you are going to put yourself out there as some kind of an expert, then get your facts straight.

    By the way Empower Network is RE-LAUNCHING - You can sign up to see 2 silly videos and get the eBook on THE BLOG BEAST -It is quite educational about blogging - and of course advertises their new BLOG PLATFORM. The eBook is about the biggest blogging blunders.

    I thought I could share the link - (but) I have no idea how I got the email with the link to the videos - it doesn't work without the tail on it and i don't want to post an affiliate link. But all you haters will be hearing lots about the blog beast in the near future - the launch of Empower Network Version 2.0 is October 18.
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    • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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      Originally Posted by Patrician View Post

      But all you haters will be hearing lots about the blog beast in the near future - the launch of Empower Network Version 2.0 is October 18.
      That's something to look forward to then.
      Blanket forum spamming version 2.0
      Can't wait.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    I sure hope not Les.

    I am glad you reminded me of another point in the article that bends the truth just in such a way to make her points. (In talking about how Facebook banned EN and how that is a sure sign EN is going to hell).

    While I don't blame Facebook a bit, (at least for this) how can a company control what their members do as far as spamming their affiliate links all over the place? By the same token companies should take steps to warn their newbies that to do this will do nothing but bring disgrace and SURBL/URIBL blacklist for the domain and the business. It affects EVERYTHING including people's ability to sell the program.

    ... maybe they will be so busy blogging they won't have time to spam.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Patrician View Post

      how can a company control what their members do as far as spamming their affiliate links all over the place?
      I don't think they can.

      It's a problem for very few companies, though: it doesn't seem to cause problems, for distributors of most.

      It's interesting how that seemed to be a problem for Facebook with Empower, just like it was a problem for the Warrior Forum with Empower, isn't it? This Forum also had to ban Empower promotion to stop them from spamming (and even removed old WSO's and WFH ads which were promoting Empower). I don't think this forum "blamed the company" either. They just did what they had to do to control an increasingly unpleasant spamming problem, and one about which so many people have understandably commented and complained.

      That must all be just a coincidence.

      Just like the fact that in my own forum (which has absolutely nothing to do with MLM, making money online, blogging or internet marketing at all), Empower Network is the only MLM opportunity that any member has ever tried to spam. Just another coincidence. Not the company's fault at all that they happen to be the people who apparently attract so many spammers as members. We can see that from the highly professional behavior of the company's owners.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Not the company's fault at all that they happen to be the people who apparently attract so many spammers as members. We can see that from the highly professional behavior of the company's owners.
        If I recall correctly, they encourage members to spam forums. They don't actually word it precisely that way, but the result is the same. At the very least, they know the ongoing spam their members create is a problem for other websites like this one, and they don't discourage it any way. So based on that, they bear a great deal of responsibility for the behavior of their members.
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          Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

          If I recall correctly, they encourage members to spam forums.
          Yes ... I've seen several people who (briefly) joined it, without first taking legal advice, commenting that they were openly coached by the company's owners to spam forums and other places. Apologies for the ambiguity of my post, which I actually intended facetiously/sarcastically. I should have clarified my tone with smilies, or something. My reference to their "professional behavior" was intended to be a sly dig at the way one of the Daves doesn't even wear a shirt on videos promoting the company. Oh dear, it's not my day, today. If you leave me alone, I might go away. Thank you, Dennis - sorry. :rolleyes:
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          • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            Yes ... I've seen several people who (briefly) joined it, without first taking legal advice, commenting that they were openly coached by the company's owners to spam forums and other places. Apologies for the ambiguity of my post, which I actually intended facetiously/sarcastically. I should have clarified my tone with smilies, or something. My reference to their "professional behavior" was intended to be a sly dig at the way one of the Daves doesn't even wear a shirt on videos promoting the company. Oh dear, it's not my day, today. If you leave me alone, I might go away. Thank you, Dennis - sorry. :rolleyes:
            My bad ... picking up on sarcasm isn't one of my strong suits.
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    • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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      Originally Posted by Patrician View Post

      how can a company control what their members do as far as spamming their affiliate links all over the place?
      They can Pat and that was the problem.
      Many a company sent their affiliates to flood the forum with ads.
      What made it so obvious is that they all had identical sig files,
      even down to the font used.
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    The blog beast kills wordpress
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    • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
      Originally Posted by elijahdean View Post

      The blog beast kills wordpress
      LOL, Why would you believe that? Please explain.

      edit: And by the way, I was under the impression that this "blog beast" wasn't even released yet. If that's the case, how would you know if it's better than Wordpress?
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    Yes Les - I see your point. I guess in just telling the members what to do to promote their link it was not sufficiently qualified - 'do not spam - but for your legitimate promotions, use this link'. And if they are specifically pointing them to the forum, then that is really bad on them and they deserve the blacklist.

    Personally, I ban people on the first spam - no questions asked, no warnings. Just banned. Maybe I am a hard-nose - but I also don't think there is anybody who hates rampant emails more than I do - even something I sign up for and request information - if I start getting emails every day, I unsubscribe.

    Further there is nothing that makes me think of a company as an obnoxious nuisance more than the concept of 'flooding' (drowning) people with affiliate links. Eau de kool aid.

    I just wonder though what some companies have that makes them in the multi-million dollar category right off the bat, while so many other posers and losers sit around and try to harm the people that ARE making money. I don't mean the principals - I mean the affiliates that don't spam and who are seriously trying to earn a living.
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  • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
    I am shocked that the feds haven't stepped in yet. This business model is illegal. The only thing I can think of is they are doing a massive investigation that extends beyond the owners and into the downline.

    The poo poo has to hit the fan eventually and it isn't going to be pretty. The forum meltdowns will be spectacular.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot View Post

      I am shocked that the feds haven't stepped in yet. This business model is illegal.
      It's clearly illegal. (And any lawyer not being paid a retainer by EN will say so, too).

      But regulators are always very slow-moving, with these things. They can last 3 years, sometimes even a little longer. Just like all the others before them, with the same kind of business model and without their required proportion of retail customers to comply with US precedent law. But eventually, inevitably, inexorably, they're in the "Goodnight Charlie" position.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I got into that crap when I was first online - for a month or two while I was figuring out what being online was all about. I learned a lot from it. Lost the money, of course, but was worth the lesson.

    I was actually smart enough to take a screen shot of the user agreement. Also a few other things. After a few months of getting "leads" with email addies such as Uwannafuk@ -- (which was the most memorable of the real addies they sent me), I figured out that the whole kit and kaboodle was a scam and a waste of money, so I canceled my membership --- and they charged me another month. That's when the fun started.

    I went to the bank and claimed bank fraud - then had to show proofs of things like cancellation policy (which I was actually fortunate enough to have). When it all boiled down, though, what got my money back was the fact that they had closed my account and refused me the leads for a month that they charged me for. You cannot legallly charge someone for service, then deny the service to them.

    I had received an email from one of the beotches in response to my email about them charging me and then not providing service --- in which she said to me "you aren't real bright, are you". Of course, as a techno-idiot newbie, it was more than my pleasure to be able to send an email back with her quote and ask her: "If I'm not too bright, you must be drooling, huh?" LMAO.

    And that was the first and last time I've been scammed in a program online.
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