Welfare mother with 15 kids says "Somebody needs to pay for aaaall my children"

Robert Michael

11 years ago

Yeah, like herself.

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seasoned

11 years ago

Yeah, we need to give them ALL 3000calorie 8 course meals EVERY DAY, include 3 refrigerators, 10packs of beer every day, designer clothes, 3 100" tvs, several gym memberships, 3 cars, etc..... 10 computers(Top of the line i7laptops,*GB with advance graphics and 2TB SSD drives)

YEAH RIGHT!!!!!!!! I would like to tell you where she should go, but I don't usually use such terms.

She should b happy she has an APARTMENT!!!!!

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Linder 11 years ago

All I have to say is incredilble!
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bravo75

11 years ago

Perhaps if she wrote Barry a personal letter...

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Brian John 11 years ago

Originally Posted by bravo75

Perhaps if she wrote Barry a personal letter...

first you've got to know how to write
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- bravo75 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Brian John
  
  first you've got to know how to write
  
  OK. Perhaps she could ask a neighbor to send him a Facebook message.
  
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MoneyMagnetMagnate

11 years ago

There so many things I would like to say about this, but doing so would only get the thread banned...

I'll let the clip speak for itself.

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bravo75

11 years ago

Reminds me a bit of this f*$ing retard.

Obama Is Going To Pay For My Gas And Mortgage!!!...

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Young Financier 11 years ago

Originally Posted by bravo75

Reminds me a bit of this f* retard.

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That was your typical Obama voter.
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- seasoned 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Sean T Alexandre
  
  That was your typical Obama voter.
  
  And there are a few ways to read that. One is that she believes that whites had EVERYTHING paid for. That has NEVER been true. There IS a middleeast country that at least USED to give its citizens like $8000, but I don't think they cared about color, and $8000 wasn't that much. Otherwise, NOTHING like that. HECK, they may give me a deduction for my home, but it still ends up, even in THIS cheap climate, costing over twice as much.
  
  Anyway, one way to read it was the WHITES got this and now a BLACK president means BLACKS will. The only other way I can read it is that they figure a black president will siphon things off, and give them to the blacks. NEITHER interpretation is very good. I'm surprised anyone will mention it, but I have heard DOZENS mention it, and I wasn't even trying.
  
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HeySal

11 years ago

Someone needed to slap her on a table and spay her like a cat about 13 kids ago.

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bravo75 11 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Someone needed to slap her on a table and spay her like a cat about 13 kids ago.

I think they should give her a frontal lobotomy, lock her up and throw away the keys.
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- HeySal 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by bravo75
  
  I think they should give her a frontal lobotomy, lock her up and throw away the keys.
  
  Doesn't sound like she has much frontal to lobot to me.
  
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Devin X

Banned 11 years ago

This is digusting! People like her, are really the scum of the earth.

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thunderbird

11 years ago

"Somebody needs to be held accountable and they need to pay."

Somebody should donate a mirror to her ASAP.

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seasoned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by thunderbird

"Somebody needs to be held accountable and they need to pay."

Somebody should donate a mirror to her ASAP.

And it should say "THIS is the person that can solve ALL your problems!

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seasoned

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill

What can you do? We can't let those kids starve and I don't think we're going to turn mom into a rocket scientist.

She doesn't even know she said something absurd. I don't think we should police her vagina on principle.

OK, so I guess your place is infested with cockroaches, huh? SOMETHING has to be done! If things like this go as far as they can, and we pay for all of it as they want, the US could be destroyed even in a year! I actually respect china for their limit. HUNDREDS of thousands are STILL conceived illegally and brought all the way. Actually, if you make enough, you can get an exemption and have them LEGALLY! And STILL, look at how many there are. IMAGINE if there were no such law. They would EASILY have at least twice as many, and probably start ANOTHER world war to get space for them!

And THOSE people are among the first to insist that we find a cure for starvation. Here's a hint! ******DECREASE THE DEMAND******! In otherwords, DON'T have so many kids!

Increasing supply means more land is needed, more labor is needed, more healthcare is needed, better fertilizer is needed, more pesticides, etc.... In other words, it gets exponentially more difficult and expensive, lowers the GDP, decreases enjoyment, decreases space. More species can die. Pollution skyrockets! Increases anger and murder!

Decreasing the demand REDUCES the need for land, REDUCES the need for healthcare, and could maybe reduce the need for pesticides. In other words, it is easier, inexpensive, raises the GDP, increases enjoyment, increases space. Species can be saved and coexist. Pollution DROPS! Increases peace and reduces murder!

Which would YOU rather have?

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seasoned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill

I'd rather have champagne.

You CAN'T have champagne! My mother happened to work for the son of a large vineyard operator at one point. Last year their revenue was down. Wikipedia said they only made €867.3 million in their cognac division.

Anyway, I toured part of one of their vineyards. OBVIOUSLY, the vineyard was quite large, and then bottling, ageing, tasting, and they had a really nice restaurant. I actually had the best trout I ever had in my life there. Anyway, think of ALL that realestate for a small FRUIT! NOPE! They should plow it down, destroy the buildings, and plant vegetables. Maybe raise some cattle. What do starving people need cognac, or ANY alcoholic beverage, for?

BTW they DO have champagne also. I guess they wanted to specialize in both of those.

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MikeAmbrosio

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill

I'd rather have champagne.

Did you know you actually can't call sparkling wine champagne unless it meets a whole lotta requirements?

Champagne and the law

The Champagne winemaking community, under the auspices of the Comité Interprofessionnel du Vin de Champagne (CIVC), has developed a comprehensive set of rules and regulations for all wine produced in the region to protect its economic interests. They include codification of the most suitable growing places; the most suitable grape types (most Champagne is a blend of up to three grape varieties, though other varieties are allowed); and a lengthy set of requirements specifying most aspects of viticulture. This includes pruning, vineyard yield, the degree of pressing, and the time that wine must remain on its lees before bottling. It can also limit the release of Champagne to market to maintain prices. Only when a wine meets these requirements may it be labelled Champagne. The rules agreed upon by the CIVC are submitted for the INAO's final approval.

The government organization that controls wine appellations in France, the Institut National des Appellations d'Origine, is preparing to make the largest revision of the region's legal boundaries since 1927, in response to economic pressures. With soaring demand and limited production of grapes, Champagne houses say the rising price could produce a consumer backlash that would harm the industry for years into the future. That, along with political pressure from villages that want to be included in the expanded boundaries, led to the move. Changes are subject to significant scientific review and are said to not impact Champagne produced grapes until 2020.

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Joe Mobley

11 years ago

A few suggestions:

The maximum number of deductions for dependent children for tax purposes - 2.

The maximum number of dependent children allowed for welfare recipient - 2.

Amount of welfare given to a welfare recipient who gets pregnant while receiving any form of local, state or federal aid - $0.00.

Maximum time for welfare payments - 2 years. May not apply again for 5 years.

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Kay King

11 years ago

This sickens me. I keep hearing these women talk about "my fiance" - the man they have multiple kids with. What's that about? Has that term replace "common law" these days?

He gets arrested - so it's someone else's job to support the baby machine? Looks like our nanny state is out in the open.

I have a radical opinion on this and most won't agree. I think it's time to provide high quality group homes for children - complete with education, open space to play and well-screened, decently paid staff.
You can't save adults like this one - or like the ones in the violent taser video posted yesterday. What we could do is save many of the children.

It would be cheaper in the long run than continuing to pay for adults like this and the kids might have a chance if taken out of that environment.

She's raising 15 kids to believe they are OWED. We'll be paying for most of them 20 years from now - if we aren't totally broke by then.

According to another site about this: It's not just "the fiance" - there are 3 "baby daddys" and I wonder if any of them pay a cent or spend a minute with those children.

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Kay King 11 years ago

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FLASHBACK: Homeless Lady with 15 Kids:
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seasoned

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

This sickens me. I keep hearing these women talk about "my fiance" - the man they have multiple kids with. What's that about? Has that term replace "common law" these days?

He gets arrested - so it's someone else's job to support the baby machine? Looks like our nanny state is out in the open.

I have a radical opinion on this and most won't agree. I think it's time to provide high quality group homes for children - complete with education, open space to play and well-screened, decently paid staff.
You can't save adults like this one - or like the ones in the violent taser video posted yesterday. What we could do is save many of the children.

It would be cheaper in the long run than continuing to pay for adults like this and the kids might have a chance if taken out of that environment.

She's raising 15 kids to believe they are OWED. We'll be paying for most of them 20 years from now - if we aren't totally broke by then.

According to another site about this: It's not just "the fiance" - there are 3 "baby daddys" and I wonder if any of them pay a cent or spend a minute with those children.

Your opinion isn't radical at all. Apparently some foster homes are almost like that. And if you pay HER, you can bet most of the money will NOT go to the child. And she may say fiance because she thinks it sounds better than ******* father. They just decided to get together and have some fun. She can act like a mother and be paid for it. I say ACT like a mother because a mother really SHOULD care more about her kids. The FATHER should also of course, but the women are the ones HERE that are in everyone's face.

The kids are being brought up rude, insulting, and low class. They may have to work HARD to break the cycle of poverty. NOT because they are black. NOT because their parents were poor. NOT because of the economy. It will be because of behavior like THAT! And if THEY use the N word less, I bet everyone ELSE will ALSO!

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seasoned

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Joe Mobley

A few suggestions:

The maximum number of deductions for dependent children for tax purposes - 2.

The maximum number of dependent children allowed for welfare recipient - 2.

Amount of welfare given to a welfare recipient who gets pregnant while receiving any form of local, state or federal aid - $0.00.

Maximum time for welfare payments - 2 years. May not apply again for 5 years.

Joe Mobley

If only! They actually have a SPECIAL welfare JUST for mothers! It is called WIC! WIC Eligibility Requirements

Imagine though If they had a plan and said "OK, if you have more than 2 kids, we will take others at random without regard to how you feel for it. If you had an infant, on at 2, 4, 5, and 15, and someone wanted a 2 YO and the 4yo was well behaved, you might take that, and they have 2 they can claim, but they get less money, and are still held responsible.

I heard today that the farm bill, that they were hoping would pass like last year may not even be looked at again until like march! One reason may be that it DOES include some welfare provisions. Obviously, WIC is from the US Department of Agriculture(USDA for short).

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therealfactoid 11 years ago

i agree with your post 100% but this is why that won't happen

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- Kay King 11 years ago
  
  What's wrong with common law? That's how me & my wife are married..
  
  Nothing wrong with it all. It's a commitment, not a promise to commit.
  
  I haven't heard the term for a long time - but what I do hear constantly is women (and men) referring to "my fiance" and "our kids". I don't understand the status meant with that terminology.
  
  The video I posted above tells the entire story (most of it) of this same woman. Her children are in family services custody and have been kept together. She lost them before for almost a year but they were given back...revolving door.
  
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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Ya'll need to stop hating & start paying!

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John Durham 11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Ya'll need to stop hating & start paying!

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Originally Posted by bravo75

OK. Perhaps she could ask a neighbor to send him a Facebook message.

When I was a kid, we were so poor we didnt even have a phone... we just climbed up to the top of a telephone pole and yelled to people.

Heck, Bravo...we were soo poor, when we went to KFC, we had to lick OTHER peoples fingers!

(You might have to be American to get that one).

When we went to Mcdonalds, we had to put Milkshakes on lay away.

We were so poor that when someone saw me walking down the street with one shoe and they said "Hey friend, lost a shoe?" I said "Nope, just found one!"

We were so poor that our idea of a fortune cookie was a potato chip with a food stamp in it.

When someone rang the door bell, my mama would just pop her head out the window and say "DING!"...

That's how poor we were.

Jes sayin...
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- mwright 11 years ago
  
  But what about the ROI?
  
  Whatever the welfare mother of our dreams looks like, the US Govt to my understanding spends twice as much on corporate welfare as it does on social welfare.
  
  My guess is that in a civilized nation, corporate welfare is to help create jobs and stimulate economic growth, and social welfare is to feed, house, clothe and educate members of society so we won't have Zombie wars.
  
  If that's anywhere close to the truth, then which form of welfare spending offers the greatest return on investment to a civilized nation as a whole... corporate or social?
  
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HeySal

11 years ago

Yeah but Steve - look at the cancer prevention the owners have in their own yard. They can eat their own stuff, ya know. We just pay em to grow it when we buy booze from em. LONG LIVE CHAMPAGNE MAKERS!

Ken - you can have the champagne - but you need to pass it to me. Men have a hard time with one of the enzymes giving them severe headaches.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Yeah but Steve - look at the cancer prevention the owners have in their own yard. They can eat their own stuff, ya know. We just pay em to grow it when we buy booze from em. LONG LIVE CHAMPAGNE MAKERS!

Ken - you can have the champagne - but you need to pass it to me. Men have a hard time with one of the enzymes giving them severe headaches.

Women tend to be LESS tolerant to alcohol! Everyone is different of course, but they TEND to!

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

There was 15 in a bed & the little one said roll over, roll over, so they all rolled over & one fell out, there was 14 in the bed & the little one said, roll over, roll over...

Seriously, those poor kids don't stand a chance in life, living with something like that. I'm surprised DSS hasn't put those kids in foster care.

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Robert Michael

11 years ago

I keep hearing these women talk about "my fiance" - the man they have multiple kids with. What's that about? Has that term replace "common law" these days?

Hey now

What's wrong with common law? That's how me & my wife are married.. been together for like 8 years now.

Actually, we just made it "final" today by filing our tax returns as married filing jointly.

Increased our return by 500 dollars by doing so. Common law FTW!

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Lou Diamond

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Whos That Guru

Hey now

What's wrong with common law? That's how me & my wife are married.. been together for like 8 years now.

Actually, we just made it "final" today by filing our tax returns as married filing jointly.

Increased our return by 500 dollars by doing so. Common law FTW!

Common law marriage is not valid in all states, it is not valid in New York

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seasoned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Lou Diamond

Common law marriage is not valid in all states, it is not valid in New York

WOW! They break the idea of male and female, and now won't honor common law? Talk about HYPOCRITES!

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KimW

11 years ago

Notice the different way the clips were edited. Great way to slant the news,and a good example of what the media tries to do to us.

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11 years ago

Kay the problem isn't with you,it is them that don't understand the meaning of the words.

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Young Financier

11 years ago

Yep. That mentality runs rampant in a particular community. It's never the woman's fault, nor the multiple deadbeat dad's...it's always everyone else's fault. It's always everyone else who had nothing to do with it who should step in and take care of their responsibilities for them, in their eyes.

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whateverpedia

11 years ago

Another elephant in the room that everyone has overlooked, and that is why she doesn't practice birth control. I learnt at an early age, if you have sex, a baby may be the outcome.

Is the reason she didn't, or doesn't do this veering off into that other taboo subject? In other words does she live in one of those places where contraception, even sex education is considered to be a "sin"?

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

Another elephant in the room that everyone has overlooked, and that is why she doesn't practice birth control. I learnt at an early age, if you have sex, a baby may be the outcome.

Is the reason she didn't, or doesn't do this veering off into that other taboo subject? In other words does she live in one of those places where contraception, even sex education is considered to be a "sin"?

1. It doesn't FEEL the same!
2. They can't AFFORD it!(Provide FREE CONDOMS FOR ALL!!!!!)
3. They want the money! My mother told me of some people she heard talking, and they said they get $50 a kid! That was a couple decades ago!
4. It is against the word of god! Catholic, etc...
I have MORE REAL reasons, but they get too insulting and political. ):

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taskemann

11 years ago

Reminds me of 95% of the immigrants from Africa and the Middle East that lives here. They do all live on social welfare. They are some really lazy sh*t people that don't want to work but rather live on other peoples money and when they don't get enough money, they produce babies like a big-time factory so they get child benefits for 10 kids. Last year, 35% of the state budget went to social welfare and to child benefits to lazy khat-chewing immigrants that don't give ANYTHING back to the society.

And in Sweden they are a such big problem that police & firefighters can't show themseleves in the major cities because then these *******s comes out and start to throw rocks and firebombs on them without reason.

Finland has learned from this and they don't want the same problems so therefore, they almost don't allow immigrants from Africa and Middle East to migrate to their country.

And it's no "racism" in what I've written, it's the truth that most people won't realize because they're blinded by socialism-propaganda.

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Kay King

11 years ago

Another elephant in the room that everyone has overlooked, and that is why she doesn't practice birth control. I learnt at an early age, if you have sex, a baby may be the outcome.

That one I do understand a bit. They do because they CAN - they do it because it qualifies them for larger payments from social services and bigger refunds at tax time. No, they don't PAY taxes but thanks to our tax system becoming a social justice system- they get refunds based on "need".

They do it because children are a status symbol in some subcultures. Lastly, they do it because others tell them not to.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

That one I do understand a bit. They do because they CAN - they do it because it qualifies them for larger payments from social services and bigger refunds at tax time. No, they don't PAY taxes but thanks to our tax system becoming a social justice system- they get refunds based on "need".

They do it because children are a status symbol in some subcultures. Lastly, they do it because others tell them not to.

WOW! That was a couple of the things I might have said, and the others were said by others. I guess I never had to say them.

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bravo75

11 years ago

Originally Posted by taskemann

Reminds me of 95% of the immigrants from Africa and the Middle East that lives here. They do all live on social welfare. They are some really lazy sh*t people that don't want to work but rather live on other peoples money and when they don't get enough money, they produce babies like a big-time factory so they get child benefits for 10 kids. Last year, 35% of the state budget went to social welfare and to child benefits to lazy khat-chewing immigrants that don't give ANYTHING back to the society.

And in Sweden they are a such big problem that police & firefighters can't show themseleves in the major cities because then these *******s comes out and start to throw rocks and firebombs on them without reason.

Finland has learned from this and they don't want the same problems so therefore, they almost don't allow immigrants from Africa and Middle East to migrate to their country.

And it's no "racism" in what I've written, it's the truth that most people won't realize because they're blinded by socialism-propaganda.

Couldn't agree more. It is racism and there is nothing wrong with it. I am extremely racist towards people of Middle Eastern origin.

They don't belong here, they contribute nothing to our European societies, they call us dogs, they don't want to work and think they are entitled to everything.

There are parts of London now where hooded Muslim Pakistani men patrol the streets and bully anyone none Muslim.

Did you know that 100% of rapes on women in Norway for 2010 were committed by men from African or Middle Eastern countries?

I dream of the day when a right wing government in Britain will outlaw Islam.
Bulldoze all mosques and send these ******** packing.

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lifeisfun

11 years ago

Originally Posted by bravo75

Couldn't agree more. It is racism and there is nothing wrong with it. I am extremely racist towards people of Middle Eastern origin.

They don't belong here, they contribute nothing to our European societies, they call us dogs, they don't want to work and think they are entitled to everything.

There are parts of London now where hooded Muslim Pakistani men patrol the streets and bully anyone none Muslim.

Did you know that 100% of rapes on women in Norway for 2010 were committed by men from African or Middle Eastern countries?

I dream of the day when a right wing government in Britain will outlaw Islam.
Bulldoze all mosques and send these ******** packing.

I have seen this when I go to europe. I accompanied my friend who is studying there to the so called 'commune' in one of the french cities in Belgium, and the place was filled with Africans. And yes, some of them had 3 or 4 kids.

What I don't understand is, how do they even qualify for benefits? But truly, as much as we blame this people, I think is also the fault of that country. Why don't they have better rules to prevent fraud? Matter of fact, when I was visiting Belgium, in the news they had that one person had illegally gotten in 13 children from Africa, and they got their Belgian citizenship, which meant they could get benefits for those kids. Of course in Europe you can't just null those citizenships because the European court of justice will come out and say, inhumane treatment.

In the UK same crap. They don't want the white polish people to come in, but they get thousands of pakistanis, bangladeshis, and indians to move in there daily, and no complaints.

Last time I landed in Heathrow, I truly thought i was in India or Pakistan. Oh yea, and if you speak against this, you're a racist and you commit a hate crime. The islamics go and beat up the white people, and that's just called "brits not doing enough to allow integration of these migrants."

If people haven't visited Europe lately, is all full of mosques and people getting a handout from the government.

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11 years ago

Did you know that 100% of rapes on women in Norway for 2010 were committed by men from African or Middle Eastern countries?

I dream of the day when a right wing government in Britain will outlaw Islam.
Bulldoze all mosques and send these ******** packing.

Yep, happens in AU as well, the more migrants we get in the more dead-end jobs get filled, but the more kids go on a rampage through a shopping center, etc. So it needs to be balanced!

Maybe she should do this???? :rolleyes:

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whateverpedia

11 years ago

Originally Posted by lifeisfun

In the UK same crap. They don't want the white polish people to come in, but they get thousands of pakistanis, bangladeshis, and indians to move in there daily, and no complaints.

That is the price of Empire. When you invade a foreign country and annex it to your empire, the citizens of that country become citizens of your country.

I'm not defending that. My family emigrated to Australia to escape what was happening to the UK.

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hardraysnight

11 years ago

Originally Posted by lifeisfun

I have seen this when I go to europe. I accompanied my friend who is studying there to the so called 'commune' in one of the french cities in Belgium, and the place was filled with Africans. And yes, some of them had 3 or 4 kids.

What I don't understand is, how do they even qualify for benefits? But truly, as much as we blame this people, I think is also the fault of that country. Why don't they have better rules to prevent fraud? Matter of fact, when I was visiting Belgium, in the news they had that one person had illegally gotten in 13 children from Africa, and they got their Belgian citizenship, which meant they could get benefits for those kids. Of course in Europe you can't just null those citizenships because the European court of justice will come out and say, inhumane treatment.

In the UK same crap. They don't want the white polish people to come in, but they get thousands of pakistanis, bangladeshis, and indians to move in there daily, and no complaints.

Last time I landed in Heathrow, I truly thought i was in India or Pakistan. Oh yea, and if you speak against this, you're a racist and you commit a hate crime. The islamics go and beat up the white people, and that's just called "brits not doing enough to allow integration of these migrants."

If people haven't visited Europe lately, is all full of mosques and people getting a handout from the government.

all you need is an intelligent immigration policy, must be a contradiction

every government is more concerned about globalisation and internationalism instead of internal opinion

there has never been an election fought on immigration, because they know they will lose

in a country with 7% unemployment, many unskilled in a formal sense, the government continues an endless supply of unskilled immigrants. I agree there is a role for specialised immigration, but should this extend to bus drivers, factory workers and check out chicks or chucks nowadays, dont want to appear sexist?

a friend tried to advertise online for a farm worker. he stated citizens only. the advertisement was denied until it was amended to work permit necessary. he declined and hired a good worker in the local pub on friday night, with citizen rights, 1000 years ancestral residence.

i fully support the welfare system, as a 3 month hospital vacation demonstrated, but am reluctant for my taxes to go to supporting unlimited unskilled immigration, who, often, are instantly entitle to the full range of benefits

i must be missing something

call me Racist, but please use a capital R

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by bravo75

Couldn't agree more. It is racism and there is nothing wrong with it. I am extremely racist towards people of Middle Eastern origin.
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I dream of the day when a right wing government in Britain will outlaw Islam.
Bulldoze all mosques and send these ******** packing.

For the record, I totally disagree with this way of thinking, and want anyone reading my post here to know that the above statement doesn't represent how everyone who participates in this forum thinks.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by thunderbird

For the record, I totally disagree with this way of thinking, and want anyone reading my post here to know that the above statement doesn't represent how everyone who participates in this forum thinks.

The ironic thing is that the right wing in the US actually SUPPORTS the 1st amendment!

Those against the muslims are only against some aspects of the culture. Satanism, for example, is legal, but some sacrifices, etc..., for satanism are NOT.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

BTW the first clause(no establishment) was to prevent establishment of a state religion, like the anglican one in great britain. Church of England - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by thunderbird

For the record, I totally disagree with this way of thinking, and want anyone reading my post here to know that the above statement doesn't represent how everyone who participates in this forum thinks.

When's the last time you were in London, Paris or Brussels? I can tell you one thing for sure, If you ask any random French, English, Belgium person, they will tell you exactly the same thing I stated above.

Maybe not in those words, but the context will be the same. I lived in Canada for 3 years (not Vancouver), mind you, although I have been to BC and it is nothing like Europe. What I saw a lot in Edmonton and Calgary were mainly hard working people from all over the world. They didn't come to Canada for the sole purpose of leeching of the government like they do here.
In Canada it's: work or f.ck off and it's right.

The ones who say otherwise are braindead pansies and are to scared to say what they really think in case it's considered politically incorrect or racist, or they've got the Islamaphobia bug so bad, they're scared shitless. Or, of course they don't see reality for what it is. In other words, deluded.

This liberal way of thinking of yours will be the end of Europe.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by garyv

YEAH, what is taking people so long to realize that!?!?!? BTW did you know that science classes humans as a great ape?

Hominidae - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Hominidae (pron.: /hɒˈmɪnɨdiː/; also known as great apes[notes 1]) form a taxonomic family of primates, including four extant genera: chimpanzees and bonobos (Pan),[notes 2] gorillas (Gorilla), humans (Homo), and orangutans (Pongo).[1]

So that sign DOES say "Please do not feed the humans"!

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garyv 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill

Is today's lesson about reducing humans to animal status?

I don't know... ask the dept. of the interior. They seem to think that animals are smarter than we are - if we don't give them a handout.
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11 years ago

BTW People that have the mindset of those women should be the LAST to be paid, nd should be paid the LEAST! They should pay more to those down on their luck that try to WORK.

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11 years ago

aljdfalj;a;alsj - oops sorry. I just watched the video again and face-palmed with my iPhone.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by bravo75

Couldn't agree more. It is racism and there is nothing wrong with it. I am extremely racist towards people of Middle Eastern origin.
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I dream of the day when a right wing government in Britain will outlaw Islam.
Bulldoze all mosques and send these ******** packing.

Originally Posted by thunderbird

For the record, I totally disagree with this way of thinking, and want anyone reading my post here to know that the above statement doesn't represent how everyone who participates in this forum thinks.

Originally Posted by bravo75

When's the last time you were in London, Paris or Brussels? I can tell you one thing for sure, If you ask any random French, English, Belgium person, they will tell you exactly the same thing I stated above.

Do Bravo75's sentiments expressed here represent how you folks in France, England, and Belgium think?

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by thunderbird

Do Bravo75's sentiments expressed here represent how you folks in France, England, and Belgium think?

thunderbird. I am not trying to be controversial here, seriously. Spend a couple days in Brussels or Oslo and ask 100 natives what they think about the subject. I'll bet you anything 99% of the people will tell you the same thing I said (in their own words).

This is not some twisted, provocative rhetoric I am posting here, this is the reality on the streets of major European cities. This is how bad things have gotten. This attitude is not inherently racist, it's just people seeing what's happening to their respective countries. It's a ******* disgrace.

These liberal shithead politicians allowing this to happen should be hung by their balls for high treason.
Sometimes I actually think they are designing the destruction of Europe for reasons unknown to me.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by bravo75

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These liberal shithead politicians allowing this to happen should be hung by their balls for high treason.
Sometimes I actually think they are designing the destruction of Europe for reasons unknown to me.

There was a shooter in Norway who carried out what you're advocating and expressed sentiments like yours.

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Originally Posted by thunderbird

There was a shooter in Norway who carried out what you're advocating and expressed sentiments like yours.

Now you're just being silly.
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Originally Posted by thunderbird

sentiments like yours.

Correction: Sentiments of the vast majority of native Europeans.
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  Correction: Sentiments of the vast majority of native Europeans.
  
  YEAH, there is a DISTINCT difference between being justifiably angry, and so much as PUSHING someone. That guy in Norway was just NUTS! OICSAWLM! I'm glad to hear the above though.
  
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taskemann

11 years ago

Originally Posted by bravo75

Spend a couple days in Brussels or Oslo and ask 100 natives what they think about the subject. I'll bet you anything 99% of the people will tell you the same thing I said (in their own words).

Yup. Everyone I know don't like them because they or some of their family members has either been beaten up by immigrant gangs without any reason at all, they've been raped or know someone who has been raped by a immigrant or they've been robbed on the street by a dark, voilent creature. These incidents have become very common in recent years as the immigration from Africa & Middle East has increased. I have to mention that when I lived in Sweden I and my friends got chased by a pakistani knife maniac when I was 6 years old. They have even bigger problems than Norway with these creatures.

The left wing media NEVER mention anything about this when it happens, only if it's a native one that does it (which is very rare). Then it's wide national news to spread the propaganda that it's US who's the problem and not them...

But when I read the only right wing online newspaper that we have here, you don't see anything else than Pakistanis that has robbed a old woman, Somali men that has gang-raped a white woman, a Nigerian muslim that has planned terror attacks, etc.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by thunderbird

Do Bravo75's sentiments expressed here represent how you folks in France, England, and Belgium think?

NO! I'm English born & bred .In the main, my home city is doing just fine, we have people of all faiths & from different ethnic backgrounds. This thread is just plain nasty.

If I were to start ranting on about religion - I wonder how long it would be before it was nuked.

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TimPhelan

11 years ago

Not sure. This one seems to keep going along fine with others ranting about religion.

Originally Posted by Bewley

If I were to start ranting on about religion - I wonder how long it would be before it was nuked.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Not sure. This one seems to keep going along fine with others ranting about religion.

Nobody's ranting about religion. People are expressing their opinions about cultural differences in Europe. If we're not allowed to discuss this here,
then we might as well keep going round and round with "who is your favorite singer" threads.

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TimPhelan 11 years ago

Okie dokie. lol

Originally Posted by bravo75

Nobody's ranting about religion. People are expressing their opinions about cultural differences in Europe.
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11 years ago

Originally Posted by bravo75

Nobody's ranting about religion. People are expressing their opinions about cultural differences in Europe. If we're not allowed to discuss this here,
then we might as well keep going round and round with "who is your favorite singer" threads.

The major problem people have about muslims is really not something that is generally called religion. Christianity has some precepts so if our talking about sharia and jihad is religion, you might as well include honesty, witnesses, etc... Gee I guess we couldn't talk about anything then.

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11 years ago

is really not something that is generally called religion

Of course it is - people are wary of what they don't understand and don't accept beliefs different from their own. Nothing new there. It's the basis of intolerance.

As for "sub cultures" - that's a given. That's why there is Chinatown in major cities in the US and the "Cuban community" and "little Mexico". Nothing wrong with it - it's just people gathering with others who understand them and share their culture, society, religion, beliefs.

If people would worry more about what they do and less about what others do, the world would be a better place.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

If people would worry more about what they do and less about what others do, the world would be a better place.

Not a very clever way of looking at things. If we would have cared more about what other people do, the Nazis would never have invaded Poland and subsequently caused the death of 60,000,000 people.

Your way of thinking (while meaning well) could be dangerous. We face a new threat now and it's not national socialism, but it's no less fanatical in it's nature.

We should definitely care more about what other people do and do it fast before it's to late.

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TimPhelan

11 years ago

Funny you should bring up the Nazi's first since you are the one who expressed an opinion pretty similar to theirs. You know: hating a whole group of people, bulldozing all Mosques, outlaw Islam and send them all packing. ( Nice avatar photo by the way! )

Originally Posted by bravo75

Not a very clever way of looking at things. If we would have cared more about what other people do, the Nazis would never have invaded Poland and subsequently caused the death of 60,000,000 people.

Your way of thinking is not only ignorant, it's downright dangerous. We face a new threat now and it's not national socialism, but it's no less fanatical in it's nature.

We should definitely care more about what other people do and do it fast before it's to late.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Funny you should bring up the Zazi's first since you are the one who expressed an opinion pretty similar to theirs. You know: hating a whole group of people, bulldozing all Mosques, outlaw Islam and send them all packing.

So you're trying to paint a picture of me being an extremist or racist. For what it's worth, my wife is Ecuadorian, my best friend is Iranian, my sister is about to get married to a guy from India.

When I lived in Canada, by best buddies were filipinos.
I love multi culturalism. Nothing makes me happier than groups from different backgrounds and countries getting together and getting on like a house on fire.

Unfortunately, this is a very different matter. This is about fascism starting to take a stranglehold on Europe (and the world) once again. Don't shoot the messenger, this stuff is going on. This problem has to be addressed and dealt with force if necessary, before it's to late. Hence the term bulldozing. Islamofascism has to be stopped with real intent and heavy handedness.

P.s Tim. I find it odd that we don't meet eye to eye on this subject.

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TimPhelan

11 years ago

Just going by your own words. If your country has a problem, deal with it. Stop the immigration of people who cause problems, put people in jail who break the law, deport troublemakers, etc... If the government you have elected won't do it, vote in someone else then.

Here's the main problem I have with what you are saying though: I hear the same from many right wing misinformed people here in the US and I know they are full of it. I also know from what you have written here before you are misinformed ( while meaning well), when it comes to what is going on in the US. So, I put the two together and think you are full of it regarding this issue.

Originally Posted by bravo75

So you're trying to paint a picture of me being an extremist or racist. For what it's worth, my wife is Ecuadorian, my best friend is Iranian, my sister is about to get married to a guy from India.

When I lived in Canada, by best buddies were filipinos.
I love multi culturalism. Nothing makes me happier than groups from different backgrounds and countries getting together and getting on like a house on fire.

Unfortunately, this is a very different matter. This is about fascism starting to take a stranglehold on Europe (and the world) once again. Don't shoot the messenger, this stuff is going on. This problem has to be addressed and dealt with force if necessary, before it's to late. Hence the term bulldozing. Islamofascism has to be stopped with real intent and heavy handedness.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

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I also know from what you have written here before you are ignorant when it comes to what is going on in the US.

Just because you don't agree with me, doesn't make me ignorant. But this is getting a bit juvenile for my likings. If we can't have a debate without insults, what's the point? Later Timmy boy.

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TimPhelan

11 years ago

You seem to have no problem saying that about Kay's remark though, right?

Originally Posted by bravo75

Just because you don't agree with me, doesn't make me ignorant. But this is getting a bit juvenile for my likings. If we can't have a debate without insults, what's the point? Later Timmy boy.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

You seem to have no problem saying that about Kay's remark though, right?

I'll quote myself:

Your way of thinking is not only ignorant, it's downright dangerous. We face a new threat now and it's not national socialism, but it's no less fanatical in it's nature.

I have edited my reply to Kay's post because in retrospect my wording was a bit harsh:

Your way of thinking (while meaning well) could be dangerous. We face a new threat now and it's not national socialism, but it's no less fanatical in it's nature.

I didn't insult Kay. I consider the way of thinking on this subject matter ignorant. That is nothing personal at all against Kay.
You insulted me personally because you disagree with what I said or/and you don't like me.

I'll quote you:

I bet Frank would be rolling over in his grave if he knew you used his photo as your avatar.

That's a personal insult. There's a difference

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TimPhelan

11 years ago

Well, there's wasn't any difference in how I used that word and how you did. It says the same thing really. However, I also edited my response and also the "personal insult" regarding mr Zapa. That was probably uncalled for. I think Frank was creamated anyways so it would be hard for him to maneuver much. BTW, I still think you have been over the top with your remarks regarding this issue.

Originally Posted by bravo75

I'll quote myself:

Your way of thinking is not only ignorant, it's downright dangerous. We face a new threat now and it's not national socialism, but it's no less fanatical in it's nature.

I have edited my reply to Kay's post because in retrospect my wording was a bit harsh:

Your way of thinking (while meaning well) could be dangerous. We face a new threat now and it's not national socialism, but it's no less fanatical in it's nature.

I didn't insult Kay. I consider the way of thinking on this subject matter ignorant. That is nothing personal at all against Kay.
You insulted me personally because you disagree with what I said or/and you don't like me.

I'll quote you:

I bet Frank would be rolling over in his grave if he knew you used his photo as your avatar.

That's a personal insult. There's a difference

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Well, there's wasn't any difference in how I used that word and how you did. It says the same thing really. However, I also edited my response and also the "personal insult" regarding mr Zapa. That was probably uncalled for. I think Frank was creamated anyways so it would be hard for him to maneuver much. BTW, I still think you have been over the top with your remarks regarding this issue.

I often exaggerate my wording to get a point across. Not one of my better traits, I admit.

I do, however, maintain the opinion that people gravely underestimate the threat posed by Islam in Europe.

And frankly, I don't understand why anyone in their right mind would stick up for them. It puzzles (and annoys) me . :confused:

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tagiscom

11 years ago

Yo mama is so poor that she can't even put her two cents in this conversation.

Yo mama is so poor that I saw her wrestling a squirrel for a peanut.

Yo mama is so poor that she can't even afford to go to the free clinic.

Maybe she should go into rap music, only need a 12 year education or IQ for that!

Probably make millions!

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John Durham

11 years ago

Originally Posted by bravo75

I often exaggerate my wording to get a point across. Not one of my better traits, I admit.

You are blunt with your opinions, and sometimes they differ from others, and thats okay. We all have opinions... which dont agree with everyone elses all the time. The important thing is that you are good guy. OT wouldnt be the same without you.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by John Durham

You are blunt with your opinions, and sometimes they differ from others, and thats okay. We all have opinions... which dont agree with everyone elses all the time. The important thing is that you are good guy. OT wouldnt be the same without you.

Note to self: Must try to be more tactful during debate. Also, must be more careful with my choice of words in forums and in real life. My bluntness often backfires on me.

My mum always did say I rub people up the wrong way.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by bravo75

Note to self: Must try to be more tactful during debate. Also, must be more careful with my choice of words in forums and in real life. My bluntness often backfires on me.

My mum always did say I rub people up the wrong way.

Learn to speak only in percentages or nouns that contain soft consonants.

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seasoned

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Of course it is - people are wary of what they don't understand and don't accept beliefs different from their own. Nothing new there. It's the basis of intolerance.

As for "sub cultures" - that's a given. That's why there is Chinatown in major cities in the US and the "Cuban community" and "little Mexico". Nothing wrong with it - it's just people gathering with others who understand them and share their culture, society, religion, beliefs.

If people would worry more about what they do and less about what others do, the world would be a better place.

OK, so everyone hates one another for their religion. Go to ANY church, ask a few key questions, and they may all have DIFFERENT answers! I, and another, once asked a catholic what he believed of transubstantiation! He didn't even KNOW there was such a belief!

I once went to two mega churches, led by two different pastors. ONE said "everyone strive for X!"! He wrote about it ALL the time, etc.... He has 808 products on amazon. If I said I went to the other church, they would be FAR less open with me! The OTHER church had a pastor that said that churches, like that first one, were satanic! And HE wrote a LOT of books about it! He has 4075 products on amazon. If THEY knew I went to the other church, they would literally KICK ME OUT! I heard a rumor that they were both privately friends. The ideas, outside of this ONE, were nearly identical, and I was NOT the only one that went to both churches. But that ONE idea is enough to cause such contention.

Now I can't speak for this in muslim terms, but I know there ARE several major groups. I ALSO know that each group has sub beliefs. So I am sure it is the SAME!

In the Jewish faith, it is the SAME thing!

SO, according to you, EVERYONE hates one another because their religion is different. I doubt you could find two people that have such similar beliefs that you couldn't expose different beliefs within say 20 questions.

BTW I went to one church that got their property at a reduced rate from a conservative SYNAGOGUE!(conservative judism is a branch of the jewish faith, and one step up from reformed) The synagogue actually got BETTER offers, but they liked the christians better! AND, once a year, they meet TOGETHER with the clergy switching off! You could have a rabbi or a pastor preaching. And did you know that they ultraorthodoxed jewish people, EVEN in israel, are actually NICE to the christians, etc...? It is more true of them than the reformed ones.

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11 years ago

I have heard from several living there saying that mosques are going up everywhere, and some of them are not even used. They are just building them for future expansion.

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bravo75

11 years ago

Originally Posted by garyv

I have heard from several living there saying that mosques are going up everywhere, and some of them are not even used. They are just building them for future expansion.

Apparently, they are going to build one of the biggest one in Cologne, Germany.
Imagine going to see the historical cologne dome and seeing 2000 muzzies praying outside the biggest mosque in Europe.

Have these people lost their ******* minds? There are A LOT of extremely unhappy Germans, I can tell you that for sure.

Cologne Central Mosque - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by bravo75

Have these people lost their ******* minds? There are A LOT of extremely unhappy Germans, I can tell you that for sure.

Cologne Central Mosque - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I know for a FACT this is true! I have listened to Deutsche Welle, and they had a whole program on it. They showed islamic merchants, talked with them, and talked with many NON islamic germans.

There is intense hatred on both sides, and the islamic people are NOT upset about the german people as germans, or their treatment, if you get my meaning. One word, that starts with S and ends with A was mentioned FREQUENTLY!

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bravo75

11 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

I know for a FACT this is true! I have listened to Deutsche Welle, and they had a whole program on it. They showed islamic merchants, talked with them, and talked with many NON islamic germans.

There is intense hatred on both sides,

Same as England, Belgium, Norway, Sweden, Holland... Immigrants from Middle Eastern and African countries are not only disliked, they are downright hated.

There is something brewing in Europe, the whole place is a powder keg waiting to be ignited. When it does, it will be messy. We had a small taste of this in France a couple of years ago when some Algerian street thug was shot by the cops.

These ******* lunatics rioted for 4 days solid. I predict we will be seeing a lot more of this in the near future all over Europe, especially England.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by bravo75

Same as England, Belgium, Norway, Sweden, Holland... Immigrants from Middle Eastern and African countries are not only disliked, they are downright hated.

There is something brewing in Europe, the whole place is a powder keg waiting to be ignited. When it does, it will be messy. We had a small taste of this in France a couple of years ago when some Algerian street thug was shot by the cops.

These ******* lunatics rioted for 4 days solid. I predict we will be seeing a lot more of this in the near future all over Europe, especially England.

Well, in Germany, many islamic people support ONLY themselves, and want to change the legal system of germany. Such a legal system would NOT allow the germans to exist, so you can imagine what the talk is about, etc... NOTHING racist about it. And SURE, it is going to be about 100% middle eastern and african people but NOT simply because they are foreign, or a different race.

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Originally Posted by seasoned

Well, in Germany, many islamic people support ONLY themselves, and want to change the legal system of germany.

Steve

Correct. I lived in Germany for the best part of 10 years and have seen this first hand.
Another way of putting would be, the communities of the Islamic faith live in a sub-culture. They would love to have this sub-culture as the "main culture".

In a perfect "Islamic" world, native Germans would have to subdue to Islamic law.

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see why Europeans are so pissed at these people.
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bravo75

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill

What should replace the welfare system?

Well capitalism requires a world war every 50, 60 years or so. We are due one. The system we have in place now is unsustainable (or repairable). We need to shake things up a bit and start from scratch.
I really can't see any way out of this mess.

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seasoned

11 years ago

Originally Posted by bravo75

Well capitalism requires a world war every 50, 60 years or so. We are due one. The system we have in place now is unsustainable (or repairable). We need to shake things up a bit and start from scratch.
I really can't see any way out of this mess.

We ALREADY have a world war, even if it isn't called that. If we never developed the nuke, and had this, they might have called it WWIII.

WWI used a technology to the point of annihilation. Gas/bio.

WWII used a more extreme technology nuclear , and merely demoed it in Japan(all that from 2 bombs that today could be replaced with PART of the warhead from ONE missle). A demo was enough, and all the US could really afford.

WWIII has often been thought of just doing things as WWII showed they could be done(maybe a few hundred missles each many times the size of both demo bombs put together), ****BUT**** some thought ANOTHER technology(a variant of automated technology) might be used as well or instead. It WAS very close to scifi, but now it is HERE. So the stage is set. Maybe 6 ways envisioned, and 4 of them could be done TONIGHT!(it is 8PM in NY right now) One is unlikely(Extra terrestrial), and we could come close to the other(fully automated), but 4 is enough. It might be enough to wipe out the entire planet.

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KimW

11 years ago

The last two posts show why religion is such a hard topic. Because nobodies concept of it is the same.
Some have tried to create religions around smoking pot.
Some religions do include using certain drups,like peyote,to reach certain states of religious enlightenment.
VooDoo is a religion to many,others think it is just mumbo jumbo.

"If people would worry more about what they do and less about what others do, the world would be a better place."

Kay,that is wonderful in theory but when there are those out there that use their "religion" as en excuse to kill innocent people,then we not onl have the right,we have the need to deal with them.

I honestly wish I never had to worry about what another was doing. But I do.

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LeeLee

11 years ago

Returning to the original topic, a few thoughts . And I have forgotten how to use the multi quote function so I apologize.

Post 10: HeySal: Someone needed to slap her on a table and spay her like a cat about 13 kids ago.

I'd like to see the sperm donors neutered, too.

Post 24: Joe Mobley: A few suggestions:

The maximum number of deductions for dependent children for tax purposes - 2.
The maximum number of dependent children allowed for welfare recipient - 2.
Amount of welfare given to a welfare recipient who gets pregnant while receiving any form of local, state or federal aid - $0.00.
Maximum time for welfare payments - 2 years. May not apply again for 5 years.

Which will immediately bring about the hue and cry "What about the poor children? You can't make the children suffer, etc. Kay has one solution I agree with:

Post 26: Kay King: I have a radical opinion on this and most won't agree. I think it's time to provide high quality group homes for children - complete with education, open space to play and well-screened, decently paid staff.
You can't save adults like this one - or like the ones in the violent taser video posted yesterday. What we could do is save many of the children.

It would be cheaper in the long run than continuing to pay for adults like this and the kids might have a chance if taken out of that environment.

She's raising 15 kids to believe they are OWED. We'll be paying for most of them 20 years from now - if we aren't totally broke by then.

I do agree with you Kay.

Post 35: seasoned: Your opinion isn't radical at all. Apparently some foster homes are almost like that.

You did specify "some" homes Steve but there are far too many homes who foster children as a money making scheme with little to no benefit for the children versus the environment they are removed from.

Post 39: taskemann: Reminds me of 95% of the immigrants from Africa and the Middle East that lives here. They do all live on social welfare.
And it's no "racism" in what I've written, it's the truth that most people won't realize because they're blinded by socialism-propaganda.

I agree with you to a point and the US is having the same problems as any other prosperous country that attracts slackers. But I know of plenty non-immigrant, very-white people who are also generational welfare recipients. Two families I know very well.

Family One: Father raised in a family of family of 3 that paid its own way, including a divorced mom who worked some pretty crappy jobs to make ends meet. He married a generational welfare woman from West Virginia. They preceded to produce 5 children all supported by welfare and various assistance.

When their only daughter turned 16 she had her first kid and then number 2 around 19. All 4 of the boys are baby daddies. Only one has married. The oldest boy has 5 little welfare recipients of his own.

Family Two: Mom and Dad married and had 5 kids. They worked varying shifts in order to save on child care. There were times they accepted extra help like those local programs that collect gifts for the kids at Christmas.

Their eldest son married a woman who already had one kid at 16. Together they produced 4 more. Although they work on and off, the majority of the children's upbringing was provided by our tax dollars.

The three oldest children, all girls have all had their first babies in the last 18 months. One girl is 19, next 17 and last 15. All three are on welfare and section 8 and you name it. Their mama knows the system.

It is like the ultimate Ponzi scheme. They replicate at increasing numbers each generation. And all it takes is one to show them the ropes of the system and it seems like the family and all their descendants become permanent wards of the state.

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seasoned

11 years ago

Originally Posted by LeeLee

Post 35: seasoned: Your opinion isn't radical at all. Apparently some foster homes are almost like that.

You did specify "some" homes Steve but there are far too many homes who foster children as a money making scheme with little to no benefit for the children versus the environment they are removed from.

Yeah, unfortunately you are right. I was trying to look at the relatively few decent ones. many DO do it to make money, but some actually want to HELP.

Really, people look at people like me that don't want to pay for FREELOADERS that care NOTHING about society, and complain. Shouldn't they look at those freeloaders? IMAGINE if they didn't freeload! Taxes could be lower, food and shelter would be cheaper! Some of the current poor would be FAR better off with NO support, and there would be more support to be distributed among the rest. It is a shame that more people don't see that.

The freeloaders are increasing exponentially, and eventually may DESTROY this country. They have come close MANY times, and are in the midst of the biggest attempt EVER!

I watched a film a couple days ago. It was an episode of a series called "infested". YEAH, ANOTHER film, but about REAL situations! This woman, and her daughter smelled a smell. It was a bad and dangerous smell and being too close to it could have meant *****DEATH*****! Well, they tried to trap the creature, and ended up trapping ONE BIG rat! For whatever reason, they thought that was IT! Later, they saw nut shells all over.

One day, the mother was trying to clean it all up, noticed the smell was strongest around this tarp, and found a rats nest! They tried to clean it all up. FINALLY, they thought they were DONE!

Another day, they hear sounds, and realize the rats are in the WALLS! They are STUMPED!

Well, the mother notices a lot of squirrels on this fence. She researched it, and found that the nextdoor neighbor was feeding the squirrels.......Wait for it...... **********NUTS**********! The mother PLEADED with the woman to stop feeding the squirrels because she was NOT feeding the squirrels! She was leaving out nuts FOR the squirrels. A subtle but VERY important difference. The rats, breeding faster, got MOST of the nuts. The neighbor WOULD NOT STOP! The mother had to petition the local government to tell the neighbor to stop. She FINALLY did!

NOW, the problem is fixed. Imagine that the mother is the taxpayer! The daughter is the life and family of the taxpayers. The squirrels are those in NEED! The rats are the FREELOADERS! The neighbor was the government. The government was the finality of the nations credit. NOW you see why people like ME are SO angry!

IMAGINE if the rats didn't exist! The mother would be happy, the daughter would be safe, the squirrels would be happy, and nobody would have noticed the neighbor or cared!

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Joe Mobley

11 years ago

A couple of points are in order.

When it comes to my money, I don't give a damn about anybody else's hue'ing and crying.

As far as hurting the children, I'm not the one hurting the children. The mother who keeps shooting children out of her behind is hurting the children.

As far as the extortion idea that "we have to keeping giving money in order not to hurt anyone", uhm... how's that working out?

And as far as Kay King goes... one of the best thinkers on the forum. :rolleyes:

Joe Mobley

Originally Posted by LeeLee

Post 24: Joe Mobley: A few suggestions:

The maximum number of deductions for dependent children for tax purposes - 2.
The maximum number of dependent children allowed for welfare recipient - 2.
Amount of welfare given to a welfare recipient who gets pregnant while receiving any form of local, state or federal aid - $0.00.
Maximum time for welfare payments - 2 years. May not apply again for 5 years.

Which will immediately bring about the hue and cry "What about the poor children? You can't make the children suffer, etc. Kay has one solution I agree with:

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seriousmny 11 years ago

Wow!!

I see some people here are speaking from the heart. We have a lot of work to do with the way we treat our fellow man and our beliefs about people from other cultures and races.

I believe it is not fair to lump all people together and say "all blacks" or "all whites" do this or that. Welfare mothers of this mindset can be found in urban areas, the Appalachias, and every major city in this union. You have an example here of a black lady. There is also an example of a white one in Octomom. Just what is the point of this thread and what is your rationale for posting this?

I'm here to make money, make friends, network, learn from others, and build bridges to help others out of financial straits. I don't feel this thread adds anything positive to Warrior Forum.
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- Brian John 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by seriousmny
  
  I don't feel this thread adds anything positive to Warrior Forum.
  
  that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. personally i don't feel the individual in question adds anything positive to society. furthermore, because it's me, the taxpayer, they ask to pay her bills i feel i have a right to openly express my discontent with the situation. the shame of it is i don't really have to express it, just post a video of her talking and the reasons why one might feel this way are pretty obvious. some here have expressed that others are too judgmental of someone they don't know. well i don't have to know her, from her mentality regarding her sentiments i know enough.
  
  Originally Posted by seriousmny
  
  Just what is the point of this thread and what is your rationale for posting this?
  
  i posted it because it's a very real problem we face in america that seems to be growing (and other places too but atm i'm simply bringing light to what it looks like all too often in my country). it's a belief of self-entitlement by non-contributors, and i find it sickening (i'm in no way suggesting that all people who need assistance fall into this category). it's fine i guess if someone like that wants to feel that way, just don't ask me to foot the bill. never meant for this to have a racial charge, as these types come in all shapes and sizes. had the video i ran across contained a white person i would have posted it just the same and my thoughts would likewise be the same.
  
  regarding your statement that you don't feel this thread adds anything positive to the wf, it doesn't have to. this is the "off topic forum", for which this topic would qualify. as long as the discussion remains civil and within the tos, those of us that want to discuss such topics should be able to. i'm glad it hasn't been locked or deleted as i appreciate all the comments that have been posted, yours included.
  
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LeeLee

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Joe Mobley

A couple of points are in order.

When it comes to my money, I don't give a damn about anybody else's hue'ing and crying.

As far as hurting the children, I'm not the one hurting the children. The mother who keeps shooting children out of her behind is hurting the children.

As far as the extortion idea that "we have to keeping giving money in order not to hurt anyone", uhm... how's that working out?

And as far as Kay King goes... one of the best thinkers on the forum. :rolleyes:

Joe Mobley

I'm not sure what you are trying to say Joe. I was agreeing with you. I am not refuting your points. I am saying how we are guilted into backing down. What sane person can advocate hating children.

And there we are.

I am frankly mystified that people can't put the numbers together and see what is happening. Just my simple examples of how a couple individual families are replicating at warp speed. Scares the daylights out of me.

I do believe the US has gone beyond the tipping point. For good measure, all this liberalization of immigration is going to ensure that the same people who give the goodies get to hold offices of priviledge.

Those leaders that try to advocate sanity and get the lazy up off their butts are painted as conservative monsters who want to "hurt the children".

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rhondaklewis

11 years ago

Sounds like you all know this woman personally. Your opinions of this woman are highly judgmental. I don't know anyone of you but, which one of you are a pedophile, or an alcoholic, or even stupid. How can you talk about this woman in such a way just from watching a short video clip. For all you know this woman could have an addiction to getting pregnant. Maybe she is a victim of the poverty cycle and does not know how to get out of it. Not many of you warriors said anything about the fathers and those that did were not half as harsh as you were on the woman. It take two to make a baby. I guess the fathers get a pass here because they are men?

We have systems here in America for just about everything, but when it comes to the poor,elderly and minorities the system seems to fail for some reason.
This woman should have had a psych eval before she had 15 babies. How do you get 15
free labor and deliveries without some kind of alarm going off? Even the welfare system could have suggested this. Maybe someone could have suggested a tubaligation while she was in the delivery room.
I really would not like to see her children taken away and put in a group home. That sounds too much like exile to me. They should be able to go to school like other children and their mother should be able to learn a trade while still receiving her 57 dollars for ever child after she had the first two.
Yep, we pay 24 billion dollars annually for welfare. That's 1 percent of the federal budget. We also pay twice as much for benefits for the rich but no one is calling them names because they deserve the tax deductions that we the not so rich pay for.
It's so easy to jump on people like this woman for some reason I guess. You all did a good job of it. Must be nice to know how much better you are than she.
Not that it matters to any of you but I just lost a lot of respect for some of you.
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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Yo mama is so poor that your family ate cereal with a fork to save milk.

Yo mama is so poor that burglars break in and leave money.

Yo mama is so poor that her front and back doors are on the same hinge.

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John Durham

11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

When I was a kid we were so poor we ate cereal with a fork to save milk.

........Lol

Yo mama's teeth are so yellow, when she smiles she looks like she got a Twinkie in her mouth.

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bravo75

11 years ago

When I was a kid, we were so poor (and this is not a joke) my mum used to cut my hair with a pair of kitchen scissors.

I used to look like Liam Gallagher with a bad hair day. Thank god for school uniforms.

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taskemann 11 years ago

Originally Posted by bravo75

When I was a kid, we were so poor (and this is not a joke) my mum used to cut my hair with a pair of kitchen scissors.

I use to do the same on myself before I shave my head bald, even if I'm not poor.
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mwright

11 years ago

Originally Posted by bravo75

When I was a kid, we were so poor (and this is not a joke) my mum used to cut my hair with a pair of kitchen scissors.

I used to look like Liam Gallagher with a bad hair day. Thank god for school uniforms.

There must be a relevant "Zappaism" for that look!

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KimW

11 years ago

Originally Posted by bravo75

When I was a kid, we were so poor (and this is not a joke) my mum used to cut my hair with a pair of kitchen scissors.

I used to look like Liam Gallagher with a bad hair day. Thank god for school uniforms.

I grew up in a family of 9 so I am well aware of those haircuts.

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seasoned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by KimW

I grew up in a family of 9 so I am well aware of those haircuts.

Hey, I one time went to a barber. I thought he was taking WAY too long. He cut off ALL my hair! I was maybe 7, and BALD!

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- KimW 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by seasoned
  
  Hey, I one time went to a barber. I thought he was taking WAY too long. He cut off ALL my hair! I was maybe 7, and BALD!
  
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  LOL Steve, when I was 7 bald was the require look. Actually the required look was a "crew" cut with Butch Wax.
  
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  LOL Steve, when I was 7 bald was the require look. Actually the required look was a "crew" cut with Butch Wax.
  
  Lol...He said "Butch Wax".
  
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bravo75 11 years ago

Originally Posted by KimW

I grew up in a family of 9 so I am well aware of those haircuts.
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John Durham

11 years ago

@ Yukon

She's so stupid that she thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Yo mama is so poor that she can't even put her two cents in this conversation.

Yo mama is so poor that I saw her wrestling a squirrel for a peanut.

Yo mama is so poor that she can't even afford to go to the free clinic.

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John Durham

11 years ago

Yo mama so stupid that when the computer said press any key to continue she couldn't find the key named anykey

She thinks Manuel Labor is the president of Mexico.

(Ran out of "poor" ones. lol)

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yukon Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by John Durham

(Ran out of "poor" ones. lol)

Lol, same here.
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John Durham

11 years ago

Many people pay more than 50% of every hard earned cent they make to the government, who doesnt work in their business and help them make it..., so yeah, I would think they should be able to ventilate about stuff like this.

Maybe the government should fund some employees for struggling small businesses with some of that money. Definitely not easy to get a small business grant. I believe in welfare and I know some people who it helps...but it shouldn't be a career.

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Sue McDonald

11 years ago

All I can say is the children are the innocent victims in all of this.How can you give birth to so many children and expect others to pay your bills?

Why can't people be responsible for their own actions!

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Joe Mobley 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Sue McDonald

How can you give birth to so many children and expect others to pay your bills?

Probably an entitlement attitude taught to her by her mother.

Originally Posted by Sue McDonald

Why can't people be responsible for their own actions!

Responsibility is an acquired character trait.

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- Dennis Gaskill 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Joe Mobley
  
  Responsibility is an acquired character trait.
  
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11 years ago

All she has to do is create a few WSO's and.........BAM!

problem solved!

Originally Posted by Brian John

Somebody need to pay for my 15 kids - YouTube

"...somebody needs to be held accountable, and they need to pay!"

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bhnath

11 years ago

Its literally just as bad over here in the UK.
They all take are tax money and live of it, its so Fustraiting!
I don't understand how people want to live of benefits, no excitement. Must be so boring!

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- seasoned 11 years ago
  
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  Who says that all people who are on benefits WANT to live on benefits? Seems our tax money was wasted on your education - especially English literacy.
  
  He didn't say all of those on benefits, so you read into that. As for the literacy, for all you know bewley used DNS or something. It is so relatively hard to say "our" that the average person probably pronounces it like "are", "its" is proper in some contexts, and some words might have been dropped. Of course that doesn't explain the misspelling of "frustrating"(maybe it didn't catch the r and sounded the word out. "strait" is correct in some contexts.).
  
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