Bleak Outlook for 2013?

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On another forum that I frequent, a member recently started a thread about her husband's hours being cut and significant layoffs of other employees at his work. He is employed by the federal government on a military base. Several others replied with related stories. In light of that discussion, I recommend you invest 30 minutes of your time watching this video.

Although it doesn't get much news time, the drought in the U.S. bread basket is serious and getting worse. US Drought Monitor Think about the implications of that for a moment before hitting play.

  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    I agree with much of what he says - and that's why I've been stocking food now for almost a year.

    I buy canned and packaged food and household/personal items when on sale - and buy cases from back of the store so I get foods dated late 2014 and 2015. I emptied a guest room and lined it with shelving and it's my "pantry".

    I'm not a doomsday prepper or conspiracy person - but I can see the writing on the wall. That writing tells me to position myself to be self sufficient. I think the last half of 2013 could get very rough and the hard times could last a while.

    At the least I have plenty of food for a year or so - at best I'll have enough to share with those who need it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Thomas
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      I agree with much of what he says - and that's why I've been stocking food now for almost a year.

      I buy canned and packaged food and household/personal items when on sale - and buy cases from back of the store so I get foods dated late 2014 and 2015. I emptied a guest room and lined it with shelving and it's my "pantry".

      I'm not a doomsday prepper or conspiracy person - but I can see the writing on the wall. That writing tells me to position myself to be self sufficient. I think the last half of 2013 could get very rough and the hard times could last a while.

      At the least I have plenty of food for a year or so - at best I'll have enough to share with those who need it.
      Kay,

      If things actually turn out the way you fear, I wouldn't be broadcasting the availability of food stocks at your house.

      When people go hungry, the niceties of civilisation fly out the window.
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      • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
        Originally Posted by Thomas View Post

        Kay,

        If things actually turn out the way you fear, I wouldn't be broadcasting the availability of food stocks at your house.

        When people go hungry, the niceties of civilisation fly out the window.
        That is true as well as which metals will be precious.

        Example: There is one loaf of bread left in the store. Someone is already at the check out willing to pay $30 for it when suddenly someone drops 30 gold bars for it but then a little old granny steps up with her double barrel shotgun aimed right at the cashier. What do you wanna bet that a little bit of lead is worth more than 30 gold bars! :p

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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          I wouldn't be broadcasting the availability of food stocks at your house.
          No one here knows I have a large pantry - only you guys... and if you need to come over, I'll share. Just don't bring all your friends.:p
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          • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
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            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            No one here knows I have a large pantry - only you guys... and if you need to come over, I'll share. Just don't bring all your friends.:p
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          • Profile picture of the author Thomas
            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            No one here knows I have a large pantry - only you guys... and if you need to come over, I'll share. Just don't bring all your friends.:p
            Thanks for the invite... when the SHTF, expect a knock from me on the door, assuming I make it across the big pond between here and the US.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    While we can't prove the drought is caused by global warming. It does fit EXACTLY with what the models predicted. And if it is caused by global warming, it may not be a drought, rather a permanent change in the weather pattern. "Drought" implies it will end.

    The <sarcasm>good news</sarcasm> is, I don't have to shovel nearly as much snow as I used to.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Rogers
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      it may not be a drought, rather a permanent change in the weather pattern. "Drought" implies it will end.
      Excellent point!

      Damn the optimists! Full speed ahead!
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      I agree with much of what he says - and that's why I've been stocking food now for almost a year.

      I buy canned and packaged food and household/personal items when on sale - and buy cases from back of the store so I get foods dated late 2014 and 2015. I emptied a guest room and lined it with shelving and it's my "pantry".
      You do realize that according to our DHS that stocking up like that indicates you are a terrorist? Nice eh?


      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      While we can't prove the drought is caused by global warming. It does fit EXACTLY with what the models predicted. And if it is caused by global warming, it may not be a drought, rather a permanent change in the weather pattern. "Drought" implies it will end.

      The <sarcasm>good news</sarcasm> is, I don't have to shovel nearly as much snow as I used to.
      But they do KNOW that drought is the result of desertification from cutting down all the woodlands and over-clearing land.

      They also know how to seed clouds to produce rain.

      This drought is being allowed to go on - and has been since the dustbowl over 60 years ago.

      David - the earth will not support 13 billion people no matter what the hell we do. That's why a lot of what is going on today is going on. Monsanto GMO crops sterilize people, vaccines that they are running today sterilize people. Back in the 90's when they were drawing up the Milleneum Doctrine - the UN was trying to figure out ways to get people to willfully stop having so many kids. They discounted moving to the same program as China because it would have caused global rebellion. Unfortunately, it was also our only chance for most of us to survive another 50 years. That doesn't mean much to a lot of us on the forum in terms of our own lives -- but our kids and grandkids are already completely screwed. It's gone over the edge already. It's going to be a rough ride no matter which way we go now.
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      • Profile picture of the author bravo75
        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        You do realize that according to our DHS that stocking up like that indicates you are a terrorist? Nice eh?




        But they do KNOW that drought is the result of desertification from cutting down all the woodlands and over-clearing land.

        They also know how to seed clouds to produce rain.

        This drought is being allowed to go on - and has been since the dustbowl over 60 years ago.

        David - the earth will not support 13 billion people no matter what the hell we do. That's why a lot of what is going on today is going on. Monsanto GMO crops sterilize people, vaccines that they are running today sterilize people. Back in the 90's when they were drawing up the Milleneum Doctrine - the UN was trying to figure out ways to get people to willfully stop having so many kids. They discounted moving to the same program as China because it would have caused global rebellion. Unfortunately, it was also our only chance for most of us to survive another 50 years. That doesn't mean much to a lot of us on the forum in terms of our own lives -- but our kids and grandkids are already completely screwed. It's gone over the edge already. It's going to be a rough ride no matter which way we go now.
        You really have a knack of making me scared shitless.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post



        But they do KNOW that drought is the result of desertification from cutting down all the woodlands and over-clearing land.

        They also know how to seed clouds to produce rain.

        This drought is being allowed to go on - and has been since the dustbowl over 60 years ago.

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        Not true at all. Global warming is the likely cause. There hasn't been any desertification in areas that would cause the draught in the area we are speaking of. As a matter of fact, there are more trees in Colorado now than ever, due to people planting them in their yards.

        There is only one tree native to the plains of Colorado, and that is the cottonwood, a tree able to withstand drought. Every other type of tree has been imported.

        This is true of the entire SW USA. There are more trees in those areas than there have ever been. There are no trees that naturally grow in places like Las Vegas or Phoenix, unless you count a joshua tree as a tree.

        Cloud seeding can work, but it's far from a sure thing. And it's expensive.
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        • Profile picture of the author HeySal
          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          Not true at all. Global warming is the likely cause. There hasn't been any desertification in areas that would cause the draught in the area we are speaking of. As a matter of fact, there are more trees in Colorado now than ever, due to people planting them in their yards.

          There is only one tree native to the plains of Colorado, and that is the cottonwood, a tree able to withstand drought. Every other type of tree has been imported.

          This is true of the entire SW USA. There are more trees in those areas than there have ever been. There are no trees that naturally grow in places like Las Vegas or Phoenix, unless you count a joshua tree as a tree.

          Cloud seeding can work, but it's far from a sure thing. And it's expensive.
          Kurt - I thought we were talking about the mid-west where the dust bowl occurred in the 40's. THAT is desertification. No clue what's going on in CO. Haven't really been keeping my eye on that area. The Midwest is desertification. Period. Was all old growth forest when we moved in. It's clear land now. There are water reserves under it for around 50 more years if we conserve.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kurt
            Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

            Kurt - I thought we were talking about the mid-west where the dust bowl occurred in the 40's. THAT is desertification. No clue what's going on in CO. Haven't really been keeping my eye on that area. The Midwest is desertification. Period. Was all old growth forest when we moved in. It's clear land now. There are water reserves under it for around 50 more years if we conserve.
            Sorry, but where the draught is that's affecting the food belt is the plains states, not the "mid west", and was open grass lands covered by saw grass, not old forest. Period. And the dust bowl occured in the plains states, not the part of the US called the "mid west". Period. The stripping the land of saw grass intensified the Dust Bowl greatly. But that was corrected in the 1940s, etc.

            The Ogalala aquifer is what has given much of the southern plains states much of their water and is fed by snow run off from the Rocky Mountains. The plains aka "The Food Basket of America" extends to the Mississippi, which counting the West and upper plains states is 2/3rds of the USA.

            And the Ogalala Aquifer is in serious trouble and it has nothing to do with any desertification that may have happened east of the Mississippi. It's in trouble because it is being drained faster than the snow run off from the Rocky Mountains can refill it.

            PS. Eastern Colorado was part of the area severly affected by draught and was part of the Dust Bowl.
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            • Profile picture of the author HeySal
              Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

              Sorry, but where the draught is that's affecting the food belt is the plains states, not the "mid west", and was open grass lands covered by saw grass, not old forest. Period. And the dust bowl occured in the plains states, not the part of the US called the "mid west". Period. The stripping the land of saw grass intensified the Dust Bowl greatly. But that was corrected in the 1940s, etc.

              The Ogalala aquifer is what has given much of the southern plains states much of their water and is fed by snow run off from the Rocky Mountains. The plains aka "The Food Basket of America" extends to the Mississippi, which counting the West and upper plains states is 2/3rds of the USA.

              And the Ogalala Aquifer is in serious trouble and it has nothing to do with any desertification that may have happened east of the Mississippi. It's in trouble because it is being drained faster than the snow run off from the Rocky Mountains can refill it.

              PS. Eastern Colorado was part of the area severly affected by draught and was part of the Dust Bowl.
              Okay - had to check this out. You are right - the Midwest areas that were old growth stopped North of where I thought they did. I thought the old growth extended all the way south. As far as CO - I wouldn't consider that part of the dustbowl. It's a different grass ecosystem in CO than in the actual dustbowl down in OK. CO is just now starting to save theirs, but it was never like it is in OK - ever been through OK? It's still more dust than you'd believe, even though they've resurrected some of it. I haven't checked out if there was ever a forestry ecosystem in earlier times for sure - but it seems to me I remembered something about it having once been a forested ecosystem. Would have to look back at some of my old data - it might have been longer ago than I was thinking (at least several hundred years?) East OK is still forests - but it's also not plains.

              As far as the aquafer - you are right on that, too. It's being drained FAST. There's about 50% left is what I meant to say - not 50 years left. As far as desertification - the dustbowl (OK) is a prime example of it. And while you are experiencing warm in CO - CA is having another cold winter and there is crop devastation again in the south from cold, so temperatures are just strange to every region. It's almost like earth has shifted enough for weather to be changing regionally no matter what it used to be - it's becoming different. Colder, hotter, wetter, dryer. I haven't heard of any really regionally normal weather anywhere.

              Whatever.............humans destroyed that ecosystem....and the old growth forests and grasslands of the midwest -- and the grass systems in the E. part of CO. Humans are working on destroying everything we touch.

              I don't believe you and I have the same concept of what is happening to the climate, even though we both agree that it is changing, and it's not for the better -- and it's humans that are ruining the ecosystems.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
    It's all ok. I'm sure dumping brine into the ground for fracking will be nutritious for our underground drinking water supply. In thirty years we wont have the water to hydrate 13 billion people. Let alone feed them (us).

    I'm starting to wonder if the politics and economics of the 1700's can work with this kind of population expansion.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Well, knowingly or unknowingly, they HAVE planned this for several decades. Heck, where I live NOW used to be farmland as far as the eye can see. The main service road is now heavily trafficked, the townships annexed, and no farms for MILES. Interestingly enough, not THAT far from me, is a city that I heard at least USED to provide 90% of the popcorn used. I wonder how that market is NOW. This means MORE water is pulled from the ground, LESS CO2 is removed from the atmosphere AND, of course, LESS FOOD! And WHY? IRONY OF IRONIES........PEOPLE NEED SPACE!

    A LOT of things affect the weather. Admittedly, the winter was odd this year, but it has been for the past decade. Maybe earlier as well, but I have only been here about a decade. Anyway, my whole thing is against cap and trade. The very idea of trade should scare some. NOT only because it creates a market, which drives prices and crime up, but because the biggest offenders could still just continue. And monitoring is certainly not easy. And places like china said FORGET IT!

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Kay - if you know how to make that New Orleans French Onion soup - made with beer and cream........I might be on my way down even if TS never HTF.
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    • Profile picture of the author AprilCT
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Kay - if you know how to make that New Orleans French Onion soup - made with beer and cream........I might be on my way down even if TS never HTF.
      With beer and cream - I'd love to have that recipe myself.

      I'm going to attempt to grow a couple spices from seed this year and see if that works. The ground here is so poor, it will have to be container plants - so wish me some luck. Fresh from the um "make do garden" spices would be so nice to add to foods.
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