Button shirts, business suits, would you were one?

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I'm just curious, it seems it's common on IM for successful people to wear suits, button shirts, would you start wearing one, change your lifestyle if you start having success? To be honest I wouldn't i would still wear my goth, industrial clothing, even though if i find something I would be good at, I would still be myself.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
    To each it's own, I just like a simple shirt and tie. I make alot of trips to my kids schools, so I can't show up in goth :p
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
    Just because you are successful, does not mean you have to wear a suit.

    But dressing professionally for offline meetings is a PLUS. Dressing Goth is not very professional at all. It may be "you", what you like, but I can assure you it will NOT add credibility to you offline.

    I know your online, and that's what your business is, but you can still represent yourself in a way that is professional. The only people who would probably like your Goth look, would be others who are Goth, and if that is who your marketing to, then by all means keep the Goth look.

    I am not trying to be negative about Goth, just trying to say that it does not represent anything close to professionalism unless your are a performer like Marilyn Manson, or someone else similar.

    You can keep your look (socially), and still represent yourself as professional by making sure that you brand yourself in a professional looking way. By making sure that the way you look online is trustable, and I do not think that Goth falls into the category of what people would consider trustable or professional.

    Don't think of it as selling out to mainstream, just think of it as a good business decision.
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    • Profile picture of the author fnoperi1
      Originally Posted by Steve Wells View Post

      Just because you are successful, does not mean you have to wear a suit.

      But dressing professionally for offline meetings is a PLUS. Dressing Goth is not very professional at all. It may be "you", what you like, but I can assure you it will NOT add credibility to you offline.

      I know your online, and that's what your business is, but you can still represent yourself in a way that is professional. The only people who would probably like your Goth look, would be others who are Goth, and if that is who your marketing to, then by all means keep the Goth look.

      I am not trying to be negative about Goth, just trying to say that it does not represent anything close to professionalism unless your are a performer like Marilyn Manson, or someone else similar.

      You can keep your look (socially), and still represent yourself as professional by making sure that you brand yourself in a professional looking way. By making sure that the way you look online is trustable, and I do not think that Goth falls into the category of what people would consider trustable or professional.

      Don't think of it as selling out to mainstream, just think of it as a good business decision.
      Sure, I know what you mean, but of course i would still represent myself as a professional way (offline, maybe goth suit ). When i do online campaigns, paid traffic, & getting leads, you can dress the heck you want, who's watching you? When I'm at my job, yes i need to keep goth look tone down, i know a lot of people judge the book by it's cover.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonwebb
    For me, i really enjoy wearing suits and ties, makes me feel pretty spiffy to each there own though doesn't matter ether way.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    I think you should be yourself. You'll be most comfortable. Trying to turn yourself into someone else's idea of successful, or what you think is someone else's idea, is a recipe for unhappiness.

    If they can't accept you as you are, and move past how you look, do you really want to be around them?

    Also, characters are fun to be around. I personally don't want to be surrounded by bland same-looking advisors and a crowd of clone types "faking it 'til they make it."
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  • Profile picture of the author JasonBennet
    Haha if I am working from home, I can simply just wear anything that I want as nobody will be looking over my shoulder on the things that I am doing.

    But I do agree that if we are attending an offline function or event, it will be polite to dress appropriately for the event. Being successful online simply means that you have more money, it does not mean you must really change the true you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gengis
    You can wear whatever you want whether you are successful or not ..

    I love wearing shorts, a v-neck shirt and either nike's or sandals.. And i also love wearing a nice suit at times..

    It's your life, do with it what you want and be happy bud! Forget doing what everyone does or approves.. Just be you.
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  • Profile picture of the author howtogurus
    It all depends on the image you want to portray. Consider yourself as an actor, you dress according to how you want people to respond to you. Sometimes casual will be the best way to dress, other times a suit is perfect. If I was attending a big convention I would wear a suit. If I was attending an informal marketing get together in Hawaii you better believe I will go casual.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Couple of thoughts...

      First off, I hope whoever invented the necktie was strangled with one. I plan to be cremated, and when they scatter my ashes over the water, I want someone to say, "at least this way, he didn't have to wear a tie."

      Second, if I'm in a situation where wearing a tie will give me an advantage, I wear a necktie.

      I've seen bums wearing an old dirty suit and tie while panhandling, and I've seen people in jeans and t-shirts that cost more than my whole wardrobe.

      As for footwear, one joker said that you could tell a Floridian was headed for a formal event because his shirt had a collar and he was wearing his good flip-flops...:p
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      • Mark Cuban wears a suit, open collar, no tie.

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        • Profile picture of the author DJL
          Whenever you meet people who don't know you yet, your physical appearance is the first clue you can give them about who you are. It helps your prospect to answer the question, "Do I want to pay any attention to this guy?"

          If your appearance says, "I'm a lot like you," you're just that little bit ahead of the game.

          I think it boils down to: Know Your Audience.

          And generally speaking, it's probably a good idea to wear clean underwear.
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        • Profile picture of the author CyberAlien
          Originally Posted by fluffythewondercat View Post

          Mark Cuban wears a suit, open collar, no tie.

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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    I'll never change my dress code in an effort to try and be someone I'm not.

    F that.
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  • Apparently, you've never seen a Frank Kern video :rolleyes:
    He's about as 'surfer dude' as they get...

    I have to admit though, I'm put off by some of the so called 'gurus' who drive up in a Lambo being a total poser, then they get out, and they are dressed like they shop at the thrift store - some people can do the 'forget 9 to 5 and work in your underwear' in style, and some can't...
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    • Profile picture of the author AprilCT
      There is a simple rule: Dress appropriately for the occasion. I know I dislike getting dressed up for required occasions, but when it's the right thing to do...then you do it.
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  • Profile picture of the author LeeLee
    I think Frank Kern adopted the surfer dude style as his brand. Screams successful IM equals do what you want.

    Steve Jobs is so obvious, surprised he hasn't been mentioned by now. And Simon Cowell but I guess he is in the entertainment category.

    I don't see anything wrong with the Goth. If you brand yourself as the Goth Guy, you will be recognizable. But you have to ask yourself if you think you want to be the Goth Guy at 50. If the answer is yes, go for it.
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    • Originally Posted by LeeLee View Post

      I think Frank Kern adopted the surfer dude style as his brand. Screams successful IM equals do what you want.

      Steve Jobs is so obvious, surprised he hasn't been mentioned by now. And Simon Cowell but I guess he is in the entertainment category.

      I don't see anything wrong with the Goth. If you brand yourself as the Goth Guy, you will be recognizable. But you have to ask yourself if you think you want to be the Goth Guy at 50. If the answer is yes, go for it.
      It's funny about Jobs though...I met him once in a coffee shop, and he was wearing a black mock-turtle neck...just like he always wore - that guy definitely liked those shirts for some reason! :p
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    If I were one, my life would be simpler. But being wool? NO THANKS! Those moths are HORRIBLE!

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  • Profile picture of the author Lucian Lada
    I'm a firm believer that a good suit (one that is of decent material, appropriate cut, and well-fitted) will make any man look better. And I can even go as far as say that most men who hate shirts, for example, are the ones who don't know how to buy a good one. (Tip for people on the market for a shirt: buy it with the collar size a size or half a size bigger - they shrink for the first few washes.)
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  • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
    Originally Posted by fnoperi1 View Post

    I'm just curious, it seems it's common on IM for successful people to wear suits, button shirts, would you start wearing one, change your lifestyle if you start having success? To be honest I wouldn't i would still wear my goth, industrial clothing, even though if i find something I would be good at, I would still be myself.
    I think am in the wrong niche cos am wearing my casual shorts and t shirt more often than usual since i started IM.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I LOVE white dress shirts. I even wear them in the rock and gem fields where I find them very useful - deflect sun, rollable sleeves, you can slip them over another shirt in cold, tie them in a knot at your waiste - leave them open with a bathing suit underneath. Love the things.

    I don't wear suits often. For some reason I look too intimidating in a suit (have a lawyer look in one) Usually if I need to look "business" I wear a dress shirt and jacket and a pair of jeans and high heels. It makes it hard for people to pigeon hole you based on your wardrobe and they have to listen more to what you say instead of how you look.
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  • A well tailored suit on a guy, with a good shirt and no tie, lends an air of casual confidence, and the appearance that you don't need to wear a tie - you're at the top of the 'food chain'...
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  • Profile picture of the author laurencewins
    The last time I wore a suit was when I was best man at my mate's wedding 5 years ago. I live in track suits, shorts, tshirts, very casual stuff.
    I on;y ever see 1 or 2 clients and one is my masseur and the other is my chiropractor and I see them for treatments so no need to dress up. My other clients I only have contact online via email and skype so no need to dress up.
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    • Profile picture of the author hardraysnight
      i have several suits and quite a few dress shirts, none white, and a variety of bright ties

      i wear them and feel good. you get treated differently too, which is interesting too

      that is why i like suits

      good excuse to polish my shoes too, shows off my compulsory red socks better
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      • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
        I wear tweed and lambswool "dress" jackets with jeans.

        I wear the same when I'm out about the city at night too for a beverage as rare as that is.

        It's not the norm but makes a change from being one of the sheep who prance around sporting their designer brands - the "big pony" Ralph Lauren shirts being the most ridiculous ever.
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  • Profile picture of the author fnoperi1
    Sweet, thank you, it's cool that you guys have your own style.
    Yeah, do whatever makes you comfortable & happy
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  • Profile picture of the author Josh Monroe
    My daily attire usually consists of fresh PJ's and a dressing gown accompanied by slippers.
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  • Profile picture of the author ozzie2012
    I'd only wear a suit and tie if I really have to. Choice of clothing doesn't create success.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I've never understood why men continue to wear neckties. Your neck doesn't need to be tied - your head won't fall off. What's the point - decoration?

      I feel the same about high heels. I haven't worn a dress or a pair of high heels in years and I plan to keep it that way. Agree about the white shirts - love them.
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      • Profile picture of the author Lucian Lada
        Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

        A well tailored suit on a guy, with a good shirt and no tie, lends an air of casual confidence, and the appearance that you don't need to wear a tie - you're at the top of the 'food chain'...
        It depends more on local customs than you think. In UK, for example, a suit worn sans tie is considered a huge mistake, and you shouldn't be surprise if you raise a few eyebrows.

        Also, a suit is more formal, and that's why it usually requires a tie. However, an odd jacket (meaning a jacket that has a different color than the pants) doesn't necessarily require a tie, especially for more casual events.

        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        I've never understood why men continue to wear neckties. Your neck doesn't need to be tied - your head won't fall off. What's the point - decoration?
        Tradition, mostly. A lot of men dislike ties because they don't know how to use them to their best advantage. A tie that echoes the color of the eyes, or hair, or the ruddiness of the cheeks can do wonders to a man's appearance. So you could say decoration is a reason, as well.

        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        I feel the same about high heels. I haven't worn a dress or a pair of high heels in years and I plan to keep it that way.
        Well, I like mine on a hot chick's feet. The higher, the better.
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        • Originally Posted by Lucian Lada View Post

          It depends more on local customs than you think. In UK, for example, a suit worn sans tie is considered a huge mistake, and you shouldn't be surprise if you raise a few eyebrows.

          Also, a suit is more formal, and that's why it usually requires a tie. However, an odd jacket (meaning a jacket that has a different color than the pants) doesn't necessarily require a tie, especially for more casual events.

          Tradition, mostly. A lot of men dislike ties because they don't know how to use them to their best advantage. A tie that echoes the color of the eyes, or hair, or the ruddiness of the cheeks can do wonders to a man's appearance. So you could say decoration is a reason, as well.

          Very true, (and funny, since many of my suits are English cut) I do have and wear ties when the occasion calls for it, I have dozens, so my problem stems from picking one...but in the areas of business I deal in lately, as you say a blazer is 'suitable' - my reasons for 'no tie' is that many I encounter find a suit of any kind "formal" so I dress it down a little, but still business...(somewhere between a banker, and a surfer, like 'Kai from Fresno' :rolleyes

          As it has been stated, "dress for the occasion" - then take it up a notch with style.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        I've never understood why men continue to wear neckties. Your neck doesn't need to be tied - your head won't fall off. What's the point - decoration?
        There is a rumor that it is a sign of subservience, like a noose. I like the look, admittedly, but HATE the idea of tying them. I have done so ONLY because a guy with a clipon is thought of as well as person with a GED. I only do it when I am to dress business. Today, even at BANKS, that is RARE!

        I feel the same about high heels. I haven't worn a dress or a pair of high heels in years and I plan to keep it that way. Agree about the white shirts - love them.
        I think the high heels MUST have been to make up for the height difference between the average woman and the average man. Apparently 68" for a white woman, and 75" for a white man, so 7" difference. Again, I could see a reason for it, but the stability and all?

        Steve
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          I feel the same about high heels. I haven't worn a dress or a pair of high heels in years and I plan to keep it that way.
          Don't worry, I'll wear your share of the heels for you.

          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

          Apparently 68" for a white woman, and 75" for a white man, so 7" difference.
          7" difference in height averages wouldn't surprise me, certainly. Don't these figures sound high, though, Steve? I was thinking 6' 3" (75") would be well above average height, for men? I never know what average height is for women (again, 5' 8" sounds high?), but ours is effectively much more variable, anyway, as you say ...
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          • Profile picture of the author HeySal
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            Don't worry, I'll wear your share of the heels for you.



            7" difference in height averages wouldn't surprise me, certainly. Don't these figures sound high, though, Steve? I was thinking 6' 3" (75") would be well above average height, for men? I never know what average height is for women (again, 5' 8" sounds high?), but ours is effectively much more variable, anyway, as you say ...
            You don't get em all. I still look decent in a spicy stiletto, and find them very handy for self defense as well - not to mention the physical fitness (you have to be wary of your balance in them). I can't wear them for as many hours at a time as I used to usually. I sometimes find a pair that comfortable but not usually.

            Steve - I think the "average" height for women is around 5 feet 5 0r 6 inches. At 5'8" women are still considered tall.
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        • Originally Posted by seasoned View Post


          I think the high heels MUST have been to make up for the height difference between the average woman and the average man. Apparently 68" for a white woman, and 75" for a white man, so 7" difference. Again, I could see a reason for it, but the stability and all?

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          I think the average height for most men is under 6 feet:
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_height
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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by Joe Ditzel View Post

            Where do you live- land of the Giants?

            I think the average height for most men is under 6 feet:
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_height
            I almost mentioned that MYSELF! I thought it was high, but I saw it on an "average chart".

            I THOUGHT the average was about 5'10" for men, and at least 3 inches shorter for women. But I'm 6'1", and I have known a lot of people that were much taller, so....

            Oh well, maybe I should have tried for a consensus.

            Steve
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            • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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              Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

              I'm 6'1", and I have known a lot of people that were much taller, so....
              I couldn't get up to your height even in my very highest shoes. But I could stand on an orange box. Or even one of another color ...
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