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This guy Dorner has killed three people - caused a massive (and expensive) manhunt and left lots of people afraid of what he could do.

So what now? The Police Chief says they will "re-open" the case on Dorner's firing to see if it was justifed.

Really? You give in to a murderer and give him the attention he craves? The "reason" is to give the public "correct info on what happened" - why not just open the case and present the info AS IT WAS at the time?

The saddest thing about this case (beyond 3 innocent dead people) is the reaction of some in the area who are calling hotlines in SUPPORT of Dorner. This rewards that kind of mindless behavior by people in the public who are more intent on promoting claims of racism than in supporting justice.

Is there any other state in the Union where police would react by agreeing to "look into it" for a killer? I don't think so.
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    Mr. Dorner is probably very fortunate that this did not go down in Texas.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Yup - he'd be Texas Toast!

      I expect the authorities think they are "luring him" with his offer of a new look at his case...but I don't think the man is stupid enough to believe that.

      I do worry that others with anger issues and harboring grudges might think this kind of behavior is what they need to get attention to the "injustices" they think the suffered.

      I can't believe that people are calling in to support Dorner. He was angry at a past supervisor - so he killed the man's daughter and her fiance? How can anyone condone that behavior?
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    You know, Dorner must be the ******DUMBEST****** guy I have ever heard of! Did you hear about the magazines he left, ctaching his profile on a camera so people could track him, and the vehicle, etc? And he went THERE!?!?!?!?!? STUPID! NOPE, I don't think he is THAT stupid!

    I think, as even some in the police force have said, that he thinks the POLICE are that stupid! They will waste ALL this time and effort while chasing a wild goose. Meanwhile, he can pick out his REAL target! If I were him, in this case, I would leave a few traps and bait farther in, wait a couple or a few days and start picking off targets, probably FAR away from there. The police would be spread SO thin, and many would be tired out, etc....

    He stated that he was NOT interested in killing any normal citizens, just police officers and their families. They probably should have sent out more covert vehicles, and had the police lay low and be watchful, and treat him like any other danger. They could then QUICKLY respond to a current VALID siting. Right now, they are looking at OLD sitings, and can't respond quickly. After all, they wouldn't do this for you or me!

    This guy IS an EX military guy and ex police officer. He is trained in all the stuff the police use, and military tactics and survival. By releasing what they did about the manifesto, they have created a challenge environment that basically ENCOURAGES him to go on.

    BTW his manifesto made it VERY clear where he stands %^&*(. He must have realized he went too far, and then stated other views. In THAT context, he further stated he admired Charlie sheen. It was a tactic to try to get his message out there and adopted without a real profile. I doubt he has ANY real feelings about charlie sheen. I could say what he clearly DOES have feelings about, and wrote quite a bit about ALSO but, well....ICSAWLMIITYS! Interesting how some papers released it and then removed it!

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    Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

    This guy Dorner has killed three people - caused a massive (and expensive) manhunt and left lots of people afraid of what he could do.

    So what now? The Police Chief says they will "re-open" the case on Dorner's firing to see if it was justifed.

    Really? You give in to a murderer and give him the attention he craves? The "reason" is to give the public "correct info on what happened" - why not just open the case and present the info AS IT WAS at the time?

    The saddest thing about this case (beyond 3 innocent dead people) is the reaction of some in the area who are calling hotlines in SUPPORT of Dorner. This rewards that kind of mindless behavior by people in the public who are more intent on promoting claims of racism than in supporting justice.

    Is there any other state in the Union where police would react by agreeing to "look into it" for a killer? I don't think so.
    Domer got his statement out online about why he was fired and the incidents leading to his arrest -- it's a scandal of the highest nature and there is a reason they put out the manhunt they did for him. They don't want him talking if what he is saying is true.

    He killed a few officers. Yes. But why was he fired and was he saving his own life by killing or was he stopping them from doing something extremely evil? (The press sure isn't gonna tell us that one). They searched 600 homes without warrants. Just forced the people at gunpoint to let them in. They shot two vehicles of innocent citizens full of bullets because they were similar to the guy's vehicle. -- they don't check license plates anymore? 7 civilians were killed in their hunt. You tell me if this is normal procedure for finding a criminal - is it REALLY? Illegal search and careless murder is normal? This is a witch hunt and an indoctrination to martial law and people are sucking it in? Come on - you are all smarter than that.

    While everyone else is ready to hang this guy ------ I think that we need to stick to our rights to have a trial. I want to hear what this guy has to say. I want to hear what the corruption was that led to his actions and I want to know if he shot in self defense or in defense of someone else.

    Our police forces have become just as dangerous and corrupt as our government - and when something like this happens and they go this berserk trying to get to him I suspect he's telling the truth about knowing something that he needs to get out to the public.

    If you are ready to lynch this guy without trial you are not only in violation of our bill or rights - you may be drinking some kool aid that you might not want to drink. Let's hear what he's got to say and if he's just a murderer, then we can deal with him. I want to be 100% sure this dude's not a hero in disguise before we lynch him.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Domer got his statement out online about why he was fired and the incidents leading to his arrest -- it's a scandal of the highest nature and there is a reason they put out the manhunt they did for him. They don't want him talking if what he is saying is true.
      You have a point though what he is saying in his manifeto is apparently VERY PC! Granted, it could be contrived, but the "PTB" would want it to say the OPPOSITE!

      They shot two vehicles of innocent citizens full of bullets because they were similar to the guy's vehicle. -- they don't check license plates anymore? 7 civilians were killed in their hunt. You tell me if this is normal procedure for finding a criminal - is it REALLY? Illegal search and careless murder is normal? This is a witch hunt and an indoctrination to martial law and people are sucking it in? Come on - you are all smarter than that.
      Actually, YES! It IS normal today! I could probably find thousands of examples, but let me jut repeat something I said earlier.

      It was LATE, and I wa making a LEGAL left turn into a drug store parking lot. Since I didn't want to DIE, and end up in a major collision, I stopped. The idiot behind me wanted to crash, so she decided to drive through my car, claiming he thought I would turn. That WAS my intent, WHEN IT WAS SAFE! The bottom part of my skull HURT, and I was NOW interested in going to the hospital. When the police got there, the jerk treated ME like a criminal. Due to the job I have, etc... I didn't have the LAST registration. The police officer was talking about towing, etc.....

      ****I**** was the one that mentioned that he had this terrific invention in his car. I guess I couldn't blame him TOO much, a it was only discovered about a hundred years ago! Anyway, I said he could just check the registration on his radio. He had the AUDACITY to say "I think I might jut do that" as if to imply that I was LYING! He checked, and I had to head off to the hospital, even though by that time I might have died if I DID have an injury.
      The woman that HIT me wasn't even checked out!

      SERIOUSLY, if you look in your rear view mirror, after you speed, they will often be talking on the radio. WHY!?!?!? They are SUPPOSED to do what is known as a "wants and warrants". They not only say who the car belongs to but if it is stolen, implicated in a crime, and if anyone associated with it is dangerous, etc.... IMAGINE! The woman behind me, and I could have been a trap that the whole STATE knew about, and he wouldn't SIMPLY because he didn't make a little call!!!!!

      I could have DIED because the guy wanted ME to do all the work, and he singled ME out!

      BTW for those that don't know, I take blood thinners. On a good day a hemotoma for me is about 1 times a bad as it is with MOST people! A knee injury that irritates you and is forgotten the next day could EASILY, and HAS, crippled me for WEEKS! A head injury would be far worse!

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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        He killed a few officers. Yes. But why was he fired and was he saving his own life by killing or was he stopping them from doing something extremely evil?
        So - you think killing a few people is OK if you can't get them to see things your way? Surely you don't mean that.

        His charges were against a female training officer and were found to be false. Were they true? Don't know but no one promises life will be fair. Freedom of speech does not trump the right of others to remain alive.

        Saving his life? By killing a young woman and her fiance sitting in a parked car - and by killing a police officer in a car stopped at a red light? In my book, THAT is extremely evil. Doesn't take a lot of courage to shoot unarmed people.

        Do you think it's logical to get angry at someone to the point where you decide killing that person's child is the answer?

        The news skips over a few facts. Dorner was military - but it was Navy Reserves. His only out of country time was six months in Bahrain. He's been fighting the case in court - and was losing.

        This is a witch hunt and an indoctrination to martial law and people are sucking it in?
        So you think anyone who is treated unfairly is justified to start killing people? I can't believe you mean that. What if he killed YOUR family member? Would it be the police department's fault and a sign of martial law....or would you want those same police to find the murderer?

        When murderers become heroes - it's time to get off the carousel.
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        • Profile picture of the author HeySal
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          So - you think killing a few people is OK if you can't get them to see things your way? Surely you don't mean that.

          His charges were against a female training officer and were found to be false. Were they true? Don't know but no one promises life will be fair. Freedom of speech does not trump the right of others to remain alive.

          Saving his life? By killing a young woman and her fiance sitting in a parked car - and by killing a police officer in a car stopped at a red light? In my book, THAT is extremely evil. Doesn't take a lot of courage to shoot unarmed people.

          Do you think it's logical to get angry at someone to the point where you decide killing that person's child is the answer?

          The news skips over a few facts. Dorner was military - but it was Navy Reserves. His only out of country time was six months in Bahrain. He's been fighting the case in court - and was losing.



          So you think anyone who is treated unfairly is justified to start killing people? I can't believe you mean that. What if he killed YOUR family member? Would it be the police department's fault and a sign of martial law....or would you want those same police to find the murderer?

          When murderers become heroes - it's time to get off the carousel.
          Kay - I never said that murder for vengeance is not wrong. I didn't even know I IMPLIED it. What I'm saying is he claims things didn't come down as they were reported to us - and from the hunt that has pursued, I believe there's a strong chance that we're being fed bull shit about it. I think he knows something that they want to shut him up about at all costs. When they are terrorizing a whole region of the state for him - something is not kosher in what we've been told.

          THAT'S what I am saying. I'm not in the least bit sanctioning this witchhunt. If they find him before he can get in front of a judge, they will kill him - and I want to see this guy in court and find out what it is he says actually went on. I don't trust one word of it after this display of force in finding him.

          Incidentally - another point that was mistaken here was that Dorner complained AFTER he was fired. He did not. He complained BEFORE he was fired. "Little" facts like that being skewed are part of this type of disinformation campaign to get people to allow them to take over -- and yes - the "they" - because if we go into clear detail on that, this issue becomes the type of political that gets deleted. You know who "they" are.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            Chris Dorner LAPD lawsuit: Former cop fired after report | abc7chicago.com

            Some interesting timeliness in that as well as quotes from those who were involved with the initial complaint.
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              Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

              Chris Dorner LAPD lawsuit: Former cop fired after report | abc7chicago.com

              Some interesting timeliness in that as well as quotes from those who were involved with the initial complaint.

              Officer Beck is an idiot! He said "I am not interested in his opinion." WHAT THE..... Dorner did NOT state an opinion, or ask ANYTHING of beck! If Beck is REALLY "not interested", he should be fired and punished. He has played some part in this. He said that the OTHER guy should confess to beck! TWO possibilities! Either he is INNOCENT, and nothing happens, or he might decide to confess. If he confesses, Beck should AT LEAST apologize!!!! In such a case, the guilty party should get a STIFF punishment. I don't know WHAT they should do with dorner, but it certainly makes what he is doing MORE reasonable and MORE understandable.

              To be clear, I am NOT condoning what Dorner did. I could understand if he maybe had a hard time as a kid, decided to join the military as a job, ended up having to go to Bahrain, came back here, and got railroaded and called a liar because he tried to do right. And THEN, he gets thrown into this bad economy. YIKES!

              And NOW, he brings what HE probably feared, and sees as a consequence of this treatment by others, onto the people that thrust him into it NOW!

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              • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                I could understand if he maybe had a hard time as a kid, decided to join the military as a job, ended up having to go to Bahrain, came back here, and got railroaded and called a liar because he tried to do right.
                Except it's not true - and maybe he was the one who was lying. People can convince themselves their story is true if they tell enough times.

                Lived at home with mother and sister - decent looking house. Not homeless or starving - college education - football player. No tours in the war zone. A home and job waiting when he went back to reserve status. Other veterans should have it so good.

                He tried to "do right"? Ya think? Weeks after a person had to be taken down, he filed a complaint.....but it was filed one DAY after he had a poor job performance review from the same training officer.

                Sounds like payback to me...by Dorner. Various review panels, civilians, and two court judges did not believe his story. But when his story goes on the internet....then it's true?

                If he's brought in alive, I expect there will be petitions to sign and Facebook pages demanding he get another chance to prove his claims from 2008. Getting his job back will be difficult with those inconvenient bodies in the morgue. Having the same training officer on his "hit list" doesn't really help him, either, but I'm sure that can be explained.

                Maybe we aren't becoming a nanny state - maybe we're already there.
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                • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                  Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                  Except it's not true - and maybe he was the one who was lying. People can convince themselves their story is true if they tell enough times.

                  Lived at home with mother and sister - decent looking house. Not homeless or starving - college education - football player. No tours in the war zone. A home and job waiting when he went back to reserve status. Other veterans should have it so good.

                  He tried to "do right"? Ya think? Weeks after a person had to be taken down, he filed a complaint.....but it was filed one DAY after he had a poor job performance review from the same training officer.

                  Sounds like payback to me...by Dorner. Various review panels, civilians, and two court judges did not believe his story. But when his story goes on the internet....then it's true?

                  If he's brought in alive, I expect there will be petitions to sign and Facebook pages demanding he get another chance to prove his claims from 2008. Getting his job back will be difficult with those inconvenient bodies in the morgue. Having the same training officer on his "hit list" doesn't really help him, either, but I'm sure that can be explained.

                  Maybe we aren't becoming a nanny state - maybe we're already there.
                  Who knows. It is INCREDIBLE all the lies being thrown around. I was just musing, NOT speaking here with any particular knowledge of it. Basically devils advocate.

                  And YEAH, this IS a nanny state, and has been for decades, but it is getting WORSE. It is a shame. Americans in the 30, 40s, and 50s wouldn't have stood for half of this.

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    Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

    This guy Dorner has killed three people - caused a massive (and expensive) manhunt and left lots of people afraid of what he could do.

    So what now? The Police Chief says they will "re-open" the case on Dorner's firing to see if it was justifed.

    Really? You give in to a murderer and give him the attention he craves? The "reason" is to give the public "correct info on what happened" - why not just open the case and present the info AS IT WAS at the time?

    The saddest thing about this case (beyond 3 innocent dead people) is the reaction of some in the area who are calling hotlines in SUPPORT of Dorner. This rewards that kind of mindless behavior by people in the public who are more intent on promoting claims of racism than in supporting justice.

    Is there any other state in the Union where police would react by agreeing to "look into it" for a killer? I don't think so.
    Re-opening the case is a trick to get him to show his face, doubtful he'll come out of this alive. I doubt the guy is dumb enough to take the bait, considering they haven't been able to find him yet.
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    Now they have a $1 million reward on the guy.

    Massive reward offer for Christopher Dorner - CBS News
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    All true, Kay - but still based on assumptions rather than evidence. What if he DID know of something and when he murdered those guys, he was actually saving people? With the amount of espionage going on these days, I'm not willing to trust ANYTHING the media says. We've been taken on one long ride.......and it's not going to help us at all to cut constitutional rights from ANYONE because they've been able to create a lynch mob.

    On the news I just saw that Obama has okayed unleashing a drone on this guy. Can you spell F-A-L-S-E F-L-A-G? Something has gone down behind the scenes and they are using this thing as an excuse to start drone hits on our own soil. Anyone - anyone, who feels like jumping on this bandwagon is responsible for unleashing drones on our own people. Either support the constitution now or learn how to disarm a drone. Those are our choices. Is it worth it?
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      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Either support the constitution now or learn how to disarm a drone. Those are our choices. Is it worth it?
      They are saying now that Iran told their friend, RUSSIA, how to control the drones, etc... Remember when Iran took down a drone and kept it to study?

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        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        They are saying now that Iran told their friend, RUSSIA, how to control the drones, etc... Remember when Iran took down a drone and kept it to study?

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        We've already used the drones to kill Americans without trial, based only on suspicion, too. The guy was a citizen but of Middle Eastern decent. He was accused of terrorism, but never tried or convicted - only suspected. The drone hit wasn't on US soil. People didn't care -- then the real outrage comes, and they did the same to his 16 year old son -- who was not even SUSPECTED of anything - he just happened to have the wrong daddy. People are just now "getting" it.

        That's why I call this a witch hunt. They went completely martial law on this one. If people don't start demanding people taken out of their jobs for it, we are allowing martial law any time for anything. I wonder when I'll get my door kicked in and have a gun held to my face because someone somewhere else might have done something. And people are swallowing it hook line and sinker. They just never stop and think. Sensibility is derived from logic and ability to think objectively = not from being whipped emotionally into a stance that it's okay to commit complete acts of war on a population in the name of safety. WTF has happened to us? Fluoride in the water isn't enough to explain people thinking this shit is even starting to be okay.
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    There's a psychology to what is being said. Of course the LAPD does not expect Dorner to show up to have his case reconsidered. The chief was probably told by a psychologist that phrasing his words in a manner that appears to reconsider Dorner's case may take some of the edge off of Dorner's rage and buy some more time before he attempts to do more harm. Everything is not always what it seems when dealing with a criminal mind. Don't be too fast to judge, I have friends in the know who have shared some of the workings of past cases.
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      Originally Posted by GforceSage View Post

      There's a psychology to what is being said. Of course the LAPD does not expect Dorner to show up to have his case reconsidered. The chief was probably told by a psychologist that phrasing his words in a manner that appears to reconsider Dorner's case may take some of the edge off of Dorner's rage and buy some more time before he attempts to do more harm. Everything is not always what it seems when dealing with a criminal mind. Don't be too fast to judge, I have friends in the know who have shared some of the workings of past cases.
      I don't care what they are doing - if they send a drone after this guy on OUR soil - they all need to be put out of office immediately. Period. It's gone too far.
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        I don't care what they are doing - if they send a drone after this guy on OUR soil - they all need to be put out of office immediately. Period. It's gone too far.

        You can pretty much bet they've been using multiple drones since day one.

        They used multiple surveillance drones on the crazy guy that snatched the kid off the school bus a week or so ago, even when they already knew his exact location.
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          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          You can pretty much bet they've been using multiple drones since day one.

          They used multiple surveillance drones on the crazy guy that snatched the kid off the school bus a week or so ago, even when they already knew his exact location.
          You've mistaken what I said. They aren't talking about sending drones to find him. They are talking about sending a drone to KILL him.
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        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        I don't care what they are doing - if they send a drone after this guy on OUR soil - they all need to be put out of office immediately. Period. It's gone too far.
        HECK YEAH! They are then either blithering idiots, or have decided that innocent citizens aren't worth the risk. Either way, BY THEIR OWN RULES, they should NOT be allowed to have a GUN, much less ammo or a drone!

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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          They aren't talking about sending drones to find him. They are talking about sending a drone to KILL him.
          The famous "they"? A couple of reporters who are conjecturing to entertain the audience? Some conspiracy blogs quoting the reporters? Or those people who are more interested in "getting the establishment" than in justice?

          This guy wasn't in a position to have "insider info" in the military or his job.

          I'll leave you guys to make excuses and turn Dorner into a cult hero. I just hope if the body count goes up, it's his body being counted. I don't like people who kill because they don't get their way - but apparently that's just me.
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          • Profile picture of the author HeySal
            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            The famous "they"? A couple of reporters who are conjecturing to entertain the audience? Some conspiracy blogs quoting the reporters? Or those people who are more interested in "getting the establishment" than in justice?

            This guy wasn't in a position to have "insider info" in the military or his job.

            I'll leave you guys to make excuses and turn Dorner into a cult hero. I just hope if the body count goes up, it's his body being counted. I don't like people who kill because they don't get their way - but apparently that's just me.

            And you are ready to let media whip you into a frenzy that makes it okay for them to barge in 600 homes without warrant, shoot up two cars, kill 7 people looking for him - - and instead of being oiutraged at martial law being used and the possibility of a drone hit (Obama DOES think it's legal - there is talk of impeachment over it, remember) , you just try to shame someone for being absolutely outraged? I don't know what part of "Bil of Rights" you don't understand, but soemone killed someone does not, in my mind, justify stripping people's rights and murdering others to get to him. That's called WAR, Kay. 7 people killed to find this guy? You don't think that's overboard. I'd be enraged if I had my door barged at gun point over this - think of those who had loved ones killed because they wouldn't allow someone to just kick in their door at will.

            Guess from the sounds of things, they are too powerful at controlling the media to expect enough logic from people to keep our Bil of Rights intact. Good job, MSM. Guess it was kids play, eh?
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      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      Various review panels, civilians, and two court judges did not believe his story.
      Originally Posted by GforceSage View Post

      There's a psychology to what is being said. Of course the LAPD does not expect Dorner to show up to have his case reconsidered. The chief was probably told by a psychologist that phrasing his words in a manner that appears to reconsider Dorner's case may take some of the edge off of Dorner's rage and buy some more time before he attempts to do more harm. Everything is not always what it seems when dealing with a criminal mind. Don't be too fast to judge, I have friends in the know who have shared some of the workings of past cases.

      This is why the fake reconsideration makes the PD look like silly. The guys been consistently rejected for years over the same case (by everyone), but now the PD reports to the media we'll look into it again.

      The guy obviously knows how to keep his cool & not fall for the fake reconsideration of his original case.

      I'm not supporting the shooter, but the PD can't possibly think that comment is ok. Looks like they're mocking the shooter, which could make him even more pissed off than he already is & possibly do even more damage.
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      Originally Posted by GforceSage View Post

      There's a psychology to what is being said. Of course the LAPD does not expect Dorner to show up to have his case reconsidered. The chief was probably told by a psychologist that phrasing his words in a manner that appears to reconsider Dorner's case may take some of the edge off of Dorner's rage and buy some more time before he attempts to do more harm. Everything is not always what it seems when dealing with a criminal mind. Don't be too fast to judge, I have friends in the know who have shared some of the workings of past cases.
      Dorner probably knows to much to fall for that. It is a ******VERY****** old trick!

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  • Profile picture of the author JamesColin
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    Well they screw him, now he will get his revenge. Now you care about this story because of the media, but before he was alone, nobody cared about what happened to him. If he feels that way, and he want to die by cops, then so be it.
    Maybe next time, south LAPD will do the right thing first and not fire the whistleblower. Who knows.. Most likely they'll pretend he was crazy.. Well maybe this has made him crazy enough to want revenge and publicity. He felt it was his only option left.
    Just for this I think he is crazy indeed, he could have gone into internet marketing.. Being a cop is not the only option in life, it would probably be my last option in fact!
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  • Profile picture of the author dallas playboy
    600 Homes invaded without warrants, 7 people killed by cops, " I want to be sure
    this guy isn't a hero in disguise before we lynch him. "

    Sure glad you won't be on the jury if this guys caught. Your stats are wrong!
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by dallas playboy View Post

      600 Homes invaded without warrants, 7 people killed by cops, " I want to be sure
      this guy isn't a hero in disguise before we lynch him. "

      Sure glad you won't be on the jury if this guys caught. Your stats are wrong!

      Really? Judge and jury would be awesome to me - THIS is what I am screaming about. You seriously think this form of martial law is okay to look for a suspect?

      Here's just part of the "fun" they are having with the innocent population.


      Second car shot full of holes by mistake - the first one was two women delivering newspapers. They both survived. Youtube of that below.

      BIG BEAR LAKE, CA -- California Highway Patrol forcibly search vehicles on the road at gunpoint, as they aggressively search for the ex-LAPD officer accused of murder.

      Probable cause and warrants are being completely ignored at this point.


      400 homes had been searched without warrant and at gunpoint when this pic was taken. Do you know what happens to people in martial law when someone resists them barging the home when they have guns drawn. You're right - my stats are probably, in reality much HIGHER.





      Here's the car of two Innocent women and their lawyer talking.
      LAPD Had "No Idea" Who They Were Shooting At In Dorner Pursuit, Says Victims' Attorney - YouTube

      And now they are talking about sending a drone "to keep us safe". And you are okay with all of this? Grrrreat. Don't ask me to be impressed. Go back to your MSM on TV.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by dallas playboy View Post

      600 Homes invaded without warrants, 7 people killed by cops, " I want to be sure
      this guy isn't a hero in disguise before we lynch him. "

      Sure glad you won't be on the jury if this guys caught. Your stats are wrong!
      WHY? How many homes WERE invaded? How many people were killed?

      I heard on the news that homes were invaded. Maybe you or they don't consider it invasion, but it is.

      As for the 7 killed by the cops? Well, here are TWO that were badly hurt: Women delivering newspapers in Torrance shot in manhunt for ex-cop - latimes.com

      Two women who were shot by Los Angeles police in Torrance early Thursday during a massive manhunt for an ex-LAPD officer were delivering newspapers, sources said.
      The women, shot in the 19500 block of Redbeam Avenue, were taken to area hospitals, Torrance police Lt. Devin Chase said. They were not identified. One was shot in the hand and the other in the back, according to Jesse Escochea, who captured video of the victims being treated.

      It was not immediately known what newspapers the women were delivering. After the shooting, the blue pickup was riddled with bullet holes and what appeared to be newspapers lay in the street alongside.
      As for the garbage about money is no object if lives are on the line? BULL!!!!!!! Tey are either trying to hide something, as heysal said, or trying to protect THEMSELVES. So far, it doesn't look like dornan is trying to hurt others. He is letting the COPs do THAT!

      I was ROBBED, along with many others, and they didn't even want to THINK about me evidence. They CLAIMED it got lost in the mail, though I delivered it to them at the station!
      Suppose one of us came back? The thieves could have killed us!

      They ADMITTED that they didn't care! And that was the SAME LAPD with RK, OJ, and now Dornan!

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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        WHY? How many homes WERE invaded? How many people were killed?

        I heard on the news that homes were invaded. Maybe you or they don't consider it invasion, but it is.

        As for the 7 killed by the cops? Well, here are TWO that were badly hurt: Women delivering newspapers in Torrance shot in manhunt for ex-cop - latimes.com



        As for the garbage about money is no object if lives are on the line? BULL!!!!!!! Tey are either trying to hide something, as heysal said, or trying to protect THEMSELVES. So far, it doesn't look like dornan is trying to hurt others. He is letting the COPs do THAT!

        I was ROBBED, along with many others, and they didn't even want to THINK about me evidence. They CLAIMED it got lost in the mail, though I delivered it to them at the station!
        Suppose one of us came back? The thieves could have killed us!

        They ADMITTED that they didn't care! And that was the SAME LAPD with RK, OJ, and now Dornan!

        Steve
        I am having trouble confirming stats. They are all different. They DEFINITELY opened fire on 3 people in those cars. Today (yesterday maybe - I forgot to check the date on the article) they shot a man in the back who was fleeing, then moved in, shot him at point black execution style, then claimed self defense - someone got a film of it. oops huh. I don't believe that was part of this hunt, though. I think it's a separate incident.

        I'm not defending this guy at all - I am, however, very against them terrorizing anyone and everyone in their path trying to find them. I think if America allows a drone strike on him, we are done - completely finished. Who is going to speak up when it means getting hit with a drone because they don't like what you said? If we don't go on the offensive right now and get these tyrants out - we're done. In other words - we're done. Our citizens are too stupid to rise in adequate numbers against the treason of war on our people by our own government.
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        • Profile picture of the author Riptor
          I just found this... and it is what I call harassment?


          The only time I have personally encountered this in the UK is when visiting crop circles in the southern counties where for some reason there is usually a military helicopter presence for intimidation purposes, of course.
          But times are a changing for sure!
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Well that's where he made his mistake, Brian. If he had been shooting citizens who weren't related to cops nobody would be paying much attention to finding him. He should have shot people BEFORE he lost his badge, too - so he could get his time off with pay.
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  • Profile picture of the author LarryC
    I don't know the details of this case, but it sounds like they are trying to turn it into a justification for using drones.

    "On Sunday, the Express quoted a "senior police source" who said the "thermal imaging cameras the drones use may be our only hope of finding him—on the ground, it's like looking for a needle in a haystack."

    Is Dorner a drone target? | The Lookout - Yahoo! News
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  • Profile picture of the author Sue McDonald
    He ruined his tee to save his life. This is a massive man hunt and Dorner has to surface to get food and supplies. With a massive reward people will be really on the look out. I guess some of the police and their families are under a lot of stress because not only does he want to kill the police but also partners and children.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Sue McDonald View Post

      He ruined his tee to save his life. This is a massive man hunt and Dorner has to surface to get food and supplies. With a massive reward people will be really on the look out. I guess some of the police and their families are under a lot of stress because not only does he want to kill the police but also partners and children.
      He HAS to surface? Don't bet on it! He could have been planning for this for YEARS! Don't forget, the main trigger was supposedly FIVE years ago! And he could have FRIENDS! So he could easily last a couple years without showing his face. Of course he could wear a jacket and disguise. ALSO, he is likely where nobody suspects.

      ODD that he has a philosophy AGAINST mine(He stated so in his manifesto) and his MERE SURVIVAL proves ME right! I think MOST people write such manifestos to get people to consider some parts as true, but he became the EPITOME of a test case for one such aspect. He lost, and actually MUST lose. If he won, he would have been dead within MINUTES! For those that don't know what I am saying, maybe one day I will explain it.

      What a test case though! THOUSANDS of police that he has declared THE enemy!

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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        And you are ready to let media whip you into a frenzy that makes it okay for them to barge in 600 homes without warrant, shoot up two cars, kill 7 people looking for him - - and instead of being oiutraged at martial law being used and the possibility of a drone hit (Obama DOES think it's legal - there is talk of impeachment over it, remember) , you just try to shame someone for being absolutely outraged? I don't know what part of "Bil of Rights" you don't understand, but soemone killed someone does not, in my mind, justify stripping people's rights and murdering others to get to him. That's called WAR, Kay. 7 people killed to find this guy? You don't think that's overboard. I'd be enraged if I had my door barged at gun point over this - think of those who had loved ones killed because they wouldn't allow someone to just kick in their door at will.
        I don't think I'm the one in a frenzy.

        Yes, I think cops killing 7 people would be overboard - except it didn't happen.

        I also think Dorner killing three people is overboard...and that did happen.

        I'm done with it - what happens will happen.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          I don't think I'm the one in a frenzy.

          Yes, I think cops killing 7 people would be overboard - except it didn't happen.

          I also think Dorner killing three people is overboard...and that did happen.

          I'm done with it - what happens will happen.
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          Well, I heard in at least one case that dorner was SUSPECTED. And at least 2 people WERE shot by police. BOTH ended up n the hospital. One wa shot in HER hand, and the other near HER spine!

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          • Profile picture of the author HeySal
            Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

            Well, I heard in at least one case that dorner was SUSPECTED. And at least 2 people WERE shot by police. BOTH ended up n the hospital. One wa shot in HER hand, and the other near HER spine!

            Steve
            Got an update - the real statistic is 3 shot now. There was also a guy killed - they shot him in the back then proceded to shoot him again point blank execution style.......but I don't think that he was connected to the same incident. Someone got it on film, though - freaking oops.

            Anyone who advocates the use of a drone in this case is "in a frenzy." Allowing these things to begin being in use here is something we do NOT want to do for ANY circumstance. Once the people okay that - we're done. Seriously done. People are no longer able to think OBJECTIVELY and that is a danger to every stinking one of us.
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  • Profile picture of the author waterotter
    Christopher Dorner in gun battle with authorities, source says

    Police have asked news agencies to stop airing live video as they believe Dorner is watching the news coverage.

    This is going to end soon.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by waterotter View Post

      Christopher Dorner in gun battle with authorities, source says

      Police have asked news agencies to stop airing live video as they believe Dorner is watching the news coverage.

      This is going to end soon.
      ABOUT TIME!!!!!! In nazi germany, they once had a weapon that was accurate, but hard to aim. They actually used the french news service to help aim their guns!!!!!

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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    I noticed they still haven't included the whole manifesto. Heck, they didn't even include the part about charlie sheen.

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    • Profile picture of the author waterotter
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      I noticed they still haven't included the whole manifesto. Heck, they didn't even include the part about charlie sheen.

      Steve
      That manifesto, in its entirety.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by waterotter View Post

        THANKS! I thought the PTB maybe already cleansed it, so to speak. Of course, the end still doesn't seem to be there.

        But this makes me wonder why they removed the other stuff.... LOL !

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        • Profile picture of the author waterotter
          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

          THANKS! I thought the PTB maybe already cleansed it, so to speak. Of course, the end still doesn't seem to be there.

          But this makes me wonder why they removed the other stuff.... LOL !

          Steve
          This one does mention Charlie Sheen
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        • Profile picture of the author waterotter
          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

          THANKS! I thought the PTB maybe already cleansed it, so to speak. Of course, the end still doesn't seem to be there.

          But this makes me wonder why they removed the other stuff.... LOL !

          Steve
          Steve, does this contain the info you are looking for?

          Christopher Dorner Manifesto (Uncensored) «
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            Originally Posted by waterotter View Post

            Steve, does this contain the info you are looking for?

            Christopher Dorner Manifesto (Uncensored) «
            The first one that you pointed me to, and I thanked you for, had the info that people were asking people to remove, that I wa looking for. They just all seemed to be truncated.

            Anyway, THANKS!

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    Anyway, They AGAIN said SUSPECTED! So Dorner made threats and is SUSPCTED of killing three. The police at least TRIED to kill at least three, at least one is dead.

    Now this woud be a VERY old trick and CLICHE if he managed to escape!

    Anyway, the police didn't use GUNS to end this, and left a building on fire IN A FOREST! WOW!

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    So the cabin just spontaneously combusted? WTF? They were already in pursuit when one of the murders and one injury took place - and he was only suspected of the 2 killings - and his manefesto didn't appear online until AFTER the pursuit started? Did I read that all right?
    They BELIEVED he was holdup in the cabin yet were exchanging fire? They have vans with equipment that can see you right through their walls and were talking about using drones when they already have equipment suffiicient that would have allowed them to KNOW for sure. And then the cabin just conveniently bursts into flames so there will be no recognizable body.

    Sorry - this whole situation just reeks of false flag to get people to accept police riddling the vehicles of innocents with bullets, force entry without warrant, and test the Citizen's propensity for rebellion if drones are released. It's played out so hollywood that I can not believe one damned little thing about this event.
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      OMG. Everything is a freaking conspiracy. It gets so tiring. Seriously. Unbelievable. Yes, I know, when the shit hits the fan and I come knocking on your door you're not going to let me in. lol That's alright with me, because 1: I ain't going to be where you are anyways. I'm going to be out here in beautiful progressive California with a mostly sane population. and 2. The shit ain't going to ever hit the fan. Not like you think anyways.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        OMG. Everything is a freaking conspiracy. It gets so tiring. Seriously. Unbelievable. Yes, I know, when the shit hits the fan and I come knocking on your door you're not going to let me in. lol That's alright with me, because 1: I ain't going to be where you are anyways. I'm going to be out here in beautiful progressive California with a mostly sane population. and 2. The shit ain't going to ever hit the fan. Not like you think anyways.
        California is SANE? I was BORN there! I like the climate and land! One way I justified moving from there is because it ISN'T sane! And it is going bankrupt ALSO. Northern california was so sick of some stuff in Southern california that all have mused with spliting into two states. That is not to say NCA is all that great. And HEY, maybe someone will paste your mug around. I have a few friends out there that might consider it. After all, KTE!

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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        OMG. Everything is a freaking conspiracy. It gets so tiring. Seriously. Unbelievable. Yes, I know, when the shit hits the fan and I come knocking on your door you're not going to let me in. lol That's alright with me, because 1: I ain't going to be where you are anyways. I'm going to be out here in beautiful progressive California with a mostly sane population. and 2. The shit ain't going to ever hit the fan. Not like you think anyways.
        Oh yeah. Californians are quite sane - that's why the state is in such GREAT shape. That's why the cops looking for a black man are shooting up women's and white men's vehicles - and shooting people in the back, then again execution style.

        I realize that you think our gov are all nice people and wouldn't hurt anything - but I don't agree. Just the talk of drones in the air makes my stomach churn. It should do that to anyone's who is "sane".

        As far as false flags - even Kennedy had one going. Don't remember the bay of pigs?

        If you took a personality test of everyone in congress you would find many of them fall in the category of "corporate pyschotic". These are the people who put fluoride in your water - who tell people that Monsanto GMOs are a GOOD idea, who took your habeas corpus, and allow a bank to own us and refuse to prosecute bankers who have been ripping us off for billions (at least).

        I'm not dissing you, Tim - you're a nice guy.........perhaps too nice to understand that psychotics don't really give a damned about you no matter what they say to you.

        As far as I'm concerned - it baffles me that people would think there's anything delusional about the idea that rich and powerful people, many who happen to fit the psychological profile of psychosis, might get together and make plans.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    It is a SAD state of affairs when an area that is hardly known becomes WORLD FAMOUS NOT as a place but as a disastrous event. One False flag(******PROVEN*******) was a place(erm... EVENT) known only as ruby ridge.

    The old OFFICIAL story was that a LONER MAN (DOG?) (SON?) committed (?) and they had a violent shootout with the FBI and the SON and DOG were killed and the loner man(?)????????

    OK, the story finally came out. You can read it at: Ruby Ridge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia But here is the synopsis....

    A FAMILY, the aforementioned man, his wife, his son, and their dog, moved to a remote area they bought that was about 20 acres. They feared that the world was getting too corrupt.

    He ended up getting invited to an "aryan" function and met up with this guy. The guy BEGGED for a Shotgun. EVENTUALLY, the man(randy weaver) decided to sell the guy the gun. The guy asked for randy to saw the shotgun down. He told him EXACTLY where to cut, and said he didn't have the tools.

    When randy sold him the gun, the first guy measured and said it was ILLEGAL! It was 1/4" too short. He told the guy that he was done, etc...., the gun was too short, illegal, and the guy was an ATF agent! Randy said "OK, CHARGE ME! I'll see you in court!". Well, he got the subpoena, but the date was a week AFTER when he was to appear. MEANWHILE, the FBI asked for a default judgement, got it because randy didn't appear, and decided to lay surveillance and traps all over randy's property. The dog started barking, but the family figured an animal shocked the dog, etc...

    The boy came out, with a gun of course, as it could be food, etc..., and an agent shot their dog! Their DOG! The boy shot at one of them and missed, so they shot HIM. They tried to shoot randy, but missed and hit his wife. Randy is apparently still alive but is now an atheist. I guess he lost faith in all he has believed and professed at 11yo.

    What did HE do wrong?
    1. Looked at a group he was invited to.
    2. Listened to an idiot. BTW laws in the US include STRICT requirements for rifles. Most rifles are ALREADY as small as possible so shortening them is probably illegal, and they treat it like a MACHINE GUN! It is just plain ILLEGAL!

    What did the first agent do wrong?
    1. Entrapped a citizen.
    2. Encouraged a felony, and actually specified it. He did in clear terms, COMMIT it!
    3. Filed a false police report.
    4. Contempt of court.
    5. Created a conspiracy to commit murder.
    6. Several counts of 2nd degree murder.
    7. Cruelty to animals
    8. slander/libel

    And what did the ATF do?
    1. Entrapped a citizen.
    2. trespassed.
    3. Spied.
    4. Filed a false police report.
    5. Contempt of court.
    6. Created a conspiracy to commit murder.
    7. Several counts of 1st degree murder.
    8. Cruelty to animals
    9. false inprisonment
    10. slander/libel

    What happened to randy?
    1. His property was DESTROYED!
    2. His life was destroyed!
    3. slander/libel
    4. His family was killed.

    And what of the ATF and the other guy?
    Apparently NOTHING!

    The CHARGE?
    Selling(maybe owning) a sawed off shotgun. and one that was only 1/4"(less than 7mm) too short!!!!!!! SERIOUSLY, was that even much of a difference? Was it WORTH 3 innocent lives, and the destruction of another?

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  • Profile picture of the author Sue McDonald
    Yes it appears he took his own life so some news reporters are saying but it is still said that if that is how he wanted to end his own life he took others out along the way.
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      Originally Posted by Sue McDonald View Post

      Yes it appears he took his own life so some news reporters are saying but it is still said that if that is how he wanted to end his own life he took others out along the way.
      BBM

      No body has been recovered from the scene. MSM reporting Dorner's body has been recovered is nonsense - they've got to let the embers cool before they can even think about going in and retrieving a body.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Some good insight on how info is spread online - and why sometimes you can't go back and find the stats to back up a story you read this morning.

        Earlier tonight there were several pages of blog posts and news "announcments" claiming the search was over - Dorner was killed - body was found -may have been suicide, blah blah

        Then the people IN CHARGE at the scene had a news conference saying those reports were unfounded. The cabin is still smoldering - no one can go into it yet - they don't know a body is in the fire - or whether Dorner is in there. They don't think he escaped - but they aren't sure.

        A bit over an hour after that official announcement - the SAME google search returned totally different results. Posts had be rewrittine - old posts replace with the new info, etc.

        Say one fairly new, excited cop on the scene makes a comment that "Dorner is in there - may have killed himself - we've got him"...and a person nearby hears it and immediately tweets the "comments from an inside source". That is retweeted over and over - picked up as "news" and reported as fact.

        It's also now stated that the real, official spokesperson knows nothing about "hostages" that were earlier reported to be in the cabin...or about the news reports of "an old couple tied up".

        Could it be you CAN'T believe everything you read online? Who would have thunk it?

        My own guess is they think Dorner is inside but are not going out on that limb until they have proof. Smart move.
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  • Profile picture of the author waterotter
    My own guess is they think Dorner is inside but are not going out on that limb until they have proof. Smart move.
    I'm guessing this is the reason for NOT releasing the cop's name, another Dorner victim, who underwent surgery. Tensions are running high and people need to feel safe. If Dorner did escape (slim chance, but entirely possible) he has to be stopped.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      They keep saying "cabin" and I was visualizing the kind of cabins we used to stay in - a couple rooms and porch and that's about it.

      Wow - this was 1800 sq foot with another 800 sf in the basement and attic crawlspace. Where I live, we call that a "house".:p
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        They keep saying "cabin" and I was visualizing the kind of cabins we used to stay in - a couple rooms and porch and that's about it.

        Wow - this was 1800 sq foot with another 800 sf in the basement and attic crawlspace. Where I live, we call that a "house".:p
        I lived in a cabin for several years. It was WELL over 1000sq. It had at least 2 acres, a large garage/workshop, large enough for a rather large boat, a car, and work benches on either side with lots of free space. rated for seven people, IIRC, but could likely hold quite a few more.

        I don't believe it had a basement, but it DID have an attic! It took up half the home, and allowed you to walk relatively comfortably.

        Anyway, Cabin is a LOOSE term! It can also mean a place to get away.

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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          I realize that you think our gov are all nice people and wouldn't hurt anything - but I don't agree. Just the talk of drones in the air makes my stomach churn. It should do that to anyone's who is "sane".
          I don't think everyone in gov or police departments, are "nice" - neither do I believe they are all "evil". We aren't ruled by some elite class of people or dictatorship - our laws are enforced by our neighbors/sons/daughters/brothers/fathers/uncles/friends who choose law enforcement as a career.

          Yes, "sane" people need to be aware of potential threats to their safety and their freedoms. That doesn't mean they need to interpret everything as a major threat to their "rights". It doesn't transpose one killer into some kind of downtrodden, mistreated victim who was downtrodden by "the system".

          We choose our leaders from the local to national level. If they aren't any good - spend too much - tax too much - impose things like drones on us...it's our fault for not choosing better leaders. The homes searched in the Big Bear area were vacant - but to read "facts" in this thread you'd think swat teams were breaking down doors and forcing their way into homes. The local law officer said they didn't search occupied homes in the area because they knew people were on the lookout for Dorner - they assumed he could be hiding in a vacant home.

          Big Bear country is an area I've heard mentioned for years. It's reputed to be gorgeous locale - an expensive getaway area. Frankly, I was hoping a "big bear" would get this guy and simplify everything. Still in hibernation, I guess.

          What frightens me is how gleeful some people seem to be at the thought of literally fighting the authorities and each other in the streets. There is nothing good that can come of that.

          "They" ARE us. Focusing info through a prism of "out to get us and violate our rights" is no more logical than assuming all authority figures have your best interest in mind.

          If drones had not been in the news recently - they would not have been mentioned in connection with Dorner. Going forward they will be brought up with every high profile incident that happens - because they are "big news" - not because they are relevant to the story. That doesn't mean we, as the public, have to buy into the conjecture and pass it on as fact.

          We need to stop making decisions based on talking points and fear mongers and stop the shock-talk terminology of both left and right extremes. No matter which direction we go, seems the farther we get from the fenceposts in the middle, the less common sense applies to what we believe to be "true".
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    Heysal,

    You have to admit, it DOES sound like a stupid and insane idea. I mean WHY would a person try to take likely dangerous stuff, and encourage people to drink it as a health tonic? Why would people risk having their names go down in infamy, even for a few billion they may never see? Why would people, depending on bodyguards that are armed try to hurt their livelihood? Why would people try to spend someone into oblivion knowing THEY may have to pay for it? Why would someone want to create an environment that could destroy the PLANET!

    IDIOTIC! STUPID! CRAZY!!!!!!!! INSANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah, I know! I almost question this as reality, but ALL of the above happened or are happening.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Oh, yes, by all means let's listen to Alex Jones. He's such a voice of reason....

      ....and you wonder where conspiracy theorists get their ideas???

      The big conspiracy for AlexJ seems to be "they want to silence Dorner forever".

      It's all in how you view the problem. Killing a killer sounds like a good thing to me - just sorry he wasn't silenced before he hurt/killed more people yesterday.
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        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        Oh, yes, by all means let's listen to Alex Jones. He's such a voice of reason....

        ....and you wonder where conspiracy theorists get their ideas???

        The big conspiracy for AlexJ seems to be "they want to silence Dorner forever".

        It's all in how you view the problem. Killing a killer sounds like a good thing to me - just sorry he wasn't silenced before he hurt/killed more people yesterday.
        WOW! You are making the same jumps that someone else here said we shouldn't. Funny, I thought that was YOU!

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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Kay,

    "big bear" usually refers to a place in california Big Bear Lake, California - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia where many tend to go to ski and the like.

    I heard that they "were searching door to door". Most will likely NOT really be vacant.

    As for the burning? I am sure it WASN'T accidental. Outside of some FREAK circumstance, or intention, the only way to blow it up would be hitting some pipe. It would have to be relatively close to a fire to not explode. So I'm sure that outside of a guy not caring and maybe even SHOOTING a tank, the police or dorner set it up. And dorner might have, especially if it weren't his place. It is a nice way to evade.

    That said, supposedly they DID find a charred body. They won't even state the RACE at this point. They CLAIM it had his drivers license by it. Last I knew, NO drivers licenses were fireproof! A readable drivers license next to charred bones doesn't make sense.

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      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      Kay,

      "big bear" usually refers to a place in california Big Bear Lake, California - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia where many tend to go to ski and the like.

      I heard that they "were searching door to door". Most will likely NOT really be vacant.

      As for the burning? I am sure it WASN'T accidental. Outside of some FREAK circumstance, or intention, the only way to blow it up would be hitting some pipe. It would have to be relatively close to a fire to not explode. So I'm sure that outside of a guy not caring and maybe even SHOOTING a tank, the police or dorner set it up. And dorner might have, especially if it weren't his place. It is a nice way to evade.

      That said, supposedly they DID find a charred body. They won't even state the RACE at this point. They CLAIM it had his drivers license by it. Last I knew, NO drivers licenses were fireproof! A readable drivers license next to charred bones doesn't make sense.

      Steve
      Why not? They told us it made sense in 9/11.

      Alex Jones, incidentally, has proved right more over the years than anyone else in Journalism. The only reason he loses his audience is that he doesn't stick to the fact but does a lot of sensational editorializing. Being an ass doesn't mean you don't know the facts, as he has proven often enough to merit at least a whit of consideration.

      Anyone who completely disses him based on his theatrics is an absolute hypocrite if they ever quote a word from main stream media. They don't even get the facts right - they just report what they are TOLD to report, lie or truth - it's fed to them. I refused a journalism job a couple of decades ago because it was already getting that way. Report the shit we want people to think, not what is happening.

      As far as the timing in this whole Dorner thing - and the whole bout of chaos and militancy that resulted, I will never feel it's an event happening for reasons we have been told. This was a complete three ring circus side show.
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    BTW my post at #55 should shut down all such claims. Waco was the SAME! HEY, koresh WAS a nut and, by all accounts, NOT a good guy. Of course I am going by the LSM and some that CLAIMED to be former members. Was THAT the truth? WHO KNOWS!? But the fact is that nobody represented a proper reason to do what they did.

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    Yeah you have so much fun in USA, here in europe we have only gas guns
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by manson911 View Post

      Yeah you have so much fun in USA, here in europe we have only gas guns
      NOT TRUE! A european built a gattling gun!

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      I guess he COULD be in the US or elsewhere, but with a scandinavian name and accent....

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    In this footage you can hear them talking about gas and burning it down.

    HD - Officers yell "Get the gas, burn it down" during Dorner, police shootout - LIVE - YouTube
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I heard it - it's a bit hard to understand unless you've already decided what you think it says and means.

      But - no matter what was said in the excitement of the moment - I don't have a problem with it. I save my sympathy for the young couple who will never have a life and for children who will grow up without a father - due to Dorner's self-pity.

      The interesting aftermath is beginning with facts being released about military service, his time at the police academy (not a stellar performance) and previous problems as a new police officer prior to the one that got him fired.

      The media presented Dorner as a trained military macho man - it was a media driven image and not the reality of who he was.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        The media presented Dorner as a trained military macho man - it was a media driven image and not the reality of who he was.
        That's not what I heard! I heard he was TRAINED by both, strong and big. Apparently all that was TRUE. Does that mean he is MACHO? NOPE! Does that mean he was GREAT? NOPE! Does that mean you should WATCH IT? YEP!

        Apparently he served abroad only 1-2 years, in bahrain. Apparently he was a TRAINER in security. He wanted to have a kind of career there, but lost his security clearance because of the LAPD.

        So I think some may read too much into the media, but it sounds like maybe 1/2 that impression WAS true.

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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            It doesn't seem to show his discharge status. He likely attained his rank via ROTC, since I saw somewhere that he had ROTC. If so, the apparently good LT was really only ONE promotion. That WOULD only be true if he passed ROTC, etc...

            As I understand it, the Police judgement caused him to lose his security clearance in the military and cost him his post. I IMAGINE that could have cost him his career, though it might have simply cost him that position.

            Still, it is clear that this was the final straw. It probably WAS the clearance that cost him. I bet that what happened was he was fired from the police force, kept it in court, etc.... The military tried to put him at a new post, give him a promotion, or some such, and searched his records. Dorners hopes and all ight have been high, and expecting to make a new pay grade, etc... Or there might have been some sort of audit. They found the police deal, and told Dorner that his days were numbered. Dashing all the dreams he had. Dorner may have fought it, but just got more upset, and he went after the police, who caused the problem.

            He spent like 11 years in the industry, and all was wiped out. I'm still not condoning his actions, but I understand the anger.

            And you know, he might have simply told them to confess and clear his record. We may never know.

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    Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

    This guy Dorner has killed three people - caused a massive (and expensive) manhunt and left lots of people afraid of what he could do.

    So what now? The Police Chief says they will "re-open" the case on Dorner's firing to see if it was justifed.

    Really? You give in to a murderer and give him the attention he craves? The "reason" is to give the public "correct info on what happened" - why not just open the case and present the info AS IT WAS at the time?

    The saddest thing about this case (beyond 3 innocent dead people) is the reaction of some in the area who are calling hotlines in SUPPORT of Dorner. This rewards that kind of mindless behavior by people in the public who are more intent on promoting claims of racism than in supporting justice.

    Is there any other state in the Union where police would react by agreeing to "look into it" for a killer? I don't think so.
    I can not believe he was once a Canton police officer in Canton, Ohio. Oh wait we also had that guy that killed his girlfriend because he did not want his wife to find out his girl friend was pregnant. Bobby Cutts was his name.
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    BTW this is ALREADY being used for an agenda! INTERESTING, because the manifesto was heavily in agreement with that, and lauded supporters! The police did NOT protect those victims, and INCREASED the victim count to almost DOUBLE! I say ALMOST double(it was REALLY PRECISELY DOUBLE) because 2 more POLICE got hurt in trying to cause all the OTHER damage. It is doubtful who you could give credit for those to.

    And setting a home on fire is DANGEROUS! Did they at least cut the gas off? DOUBTFUL!!!!!!!!! ALSO, many such places either have problems with getting gas, or prepare for outages, and they have their OWN!!!!!! Many of the others are used by outdoor types, and they have OTHER things, like barbeques, RVs, or camping stoves and THEY HAVE THEIR OWN! This means that a fire COULD end up QUICKLY getting out of control, or causing an explosion. Did they care? NOPE!

    AND, when the police found they couldn't use guns, did they just go home? NOPE!

    But you may NEVER see such things discussed on the news. They have a CARTOON called "King of the hill". THAT tells you more about this than the news likely will! The main character sells PROPANE(a popular gas for stoves, barbeques, RVs, etc...). On one episode, a clerk turns a valve the wrong way, on a propane tank, some small spark or fire starts, and a STORE blows up. It CAN happen.

    In fact, when starting a hot water heater, there is a thermocouple to stop gas unless there is a flame, and you are to light it while holding down a bypass switch. Furnaces ALSO have a thermcouple to shut off gas, and won't even turn it on until pressure is there to vacate gas. They don't do that for their health! It makes things more expensive and complicated, but a LOT safer!

    ALSO, don't forget! If a person like Dorner wanted to LOOK dead, he could flood the place with gas and set it ablaze if they don't.

    And doing this in a FOREST?

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      He likely attained his rank via ROTC,
      He "attained his rank" becuase he was a college graduate - no mystery there. If you look up the list of medals and awards you find most are "participation" medals.

      His partner reported him before this firing incident occurred for crying in the patrol car while on duty because the dept wouldn't allow him a second round of academy training. In the Reserves, during firearms training he shot himself in the hand.

      What is noticeably absent to me is personal friends stepping up to say they know him or stand up for him. I found that unusual but maybe I missed that tidbit along the way.
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        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        He "attained his rank" becuase he was a college graduate - no mystery there. If you look up the list of medals and awards you find most are "participation" medals.

        His partner reported him before this firing incident occurred for crying in the patrol car while on duty because the dept wouldn't allow him a second round of academy training. In the Reserves, during firearms training he shot himself in the hand.

        What is noticeably absent to me is personal friends stepping up to say they know him or stand up for him. I found that unusual but maybe I missed that tidbit along the way.
        I believe this is what earned him his "Barney Fife Marksmenship" ribbon.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        He "attained his rank" becuase he was a college graduate - no mystery there. If you look up the list of medals and awards you find most are "participation" medals.

        His partner reported him before this firing incident occurred for crying in the patrol car while on duty because the dept wouldn't allow him a second round of academy training. In the Reserves, during firearms training he shot himself in the hand.

        What is noticeably absent to me is personal friends stepping up to say they know him or stand up for him. I found that unusual but maybe I missed that tidbit along the way.
        They DON'T promote you just because you graduate school. You get NOTHING for that! But going through JROTC(HIGH SCHOOL) you can be a sargeant, and going through ROTC(COLLEGE) you can be a 2nd LT, or equivalent.

        That bit about the partner doesn't even make sense. Don't you have to pass the academy to be on the force? And CRYING!?!?!?

        And HOW do you shoot yourself in the hand? ESPECIALLY with military training. I actually went through firearms training in JROTC in a military school AND a normal school, BOTH taught by a person from the ARMY sanctioned to teach it. I HATED the sling, and had problems with it, but would have a VERY hard time trying to shoot myself in the hand. I have also used pistols. I COULD shoot myself in the hand, if I TRIED, but on accident!?!?!?!?

        Maybe he got cut by the bolt or slide. If you aren't careful, that COULD happen. You could MAYBE get powder residue and get burned, on your hand or, if you are left handed, MAYBE on the face, but that is NOT shooting yourself in the hand.

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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          Don't you have to pass the academy to be on the force? And CRYING!?!?!?
          People in Dorner's police training class described him as "one of our problem children." Dorner apparently shot himself in the hand, and was dismissed from the academy. He joined the force after joining another academy class.
          To be a commissioned officer (Lt):

          Have a baccalaureate degree or higher from a regionally accredited college or university.
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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            To be a commissioned officer (Lt):
            Maybe it is a requirement, but it doesn't make you one. You have to have a doctorate to be a medical doctor, for example, but MOST people with a doctorate can't be.

            With a LAWYER, even if you have studied law, gotten all As, and took every class offered world wide, it STILL doesn't qualify you to even act as a lawyer.

            People in JROTC and ROTC are told these are benefits, and westpoint started as the same sort of thing. Let's take JROTC, for example. I believe you DO have to be a highschool graduate to be in the military. Therefore, EVERYONE would have to be a sergeant or higher. They AREN'T! So there IS another requirement. And JROTC does that.

            Granted, college is not as likely, but it IS likely enough that it causing you to automatically be promoted would greatly reduce the number of people at the lower levels.

            Think of that as that lawyer that may study for YEARS and STILL have to take a test and be approved to be a lawyer in a particular state. Or that doctor that ALSO needs special courses and residency.

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    I was in JROTC for a year in high school (not by choice), it was boring. The teacher didn't show up for class 1/2 the time, not that I think that would have made it more interesting.

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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      I was in JROTC for a year in high school (not by choice), it was boring. The teacher didn't show up for class 1/2 the time, not that I think that would have made it more interesting.

      I don't miss Brasso.
      WOW! MY teacher always came to class BUT, the brasso reference, YIKES!

      To those that don't know, brasso is a brass cleaner. In MY classes we had insignia that were warn on the collar. They WERE made of a metal that could corrode, but PROTECTED by lacquer or shellac. Sounds OK, right? Well, we were ordered to remove ALL the coating! After that, oil from your FINGERS would actually corrode a fingerprint into the metal. We had to shine that stuff EVERY DAY, with brasso! And they checked it! If you were the best platoon, you would get some privilege, like eating first. If you were the worst, you would get a punishment. and you did NOT want to be THE person hurting your whole platoon.

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        Steve - It's the dividing line between commissioned and non-commissioned military personnel.
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          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          Steve - It's the dividing line between commissioned and non-commissioned military personnel.
          Yeah, I know! Sergeant is like the highest major rank you can have as a non com, and 2nd lieutenant is the lowest rank you can have as a commissioned. AGAIN though, just going to college doesn't mean you are commissioned. So basically, if you pass JROTC you go in as a sargeant, while most others go in as PRIVATE. ROTC gives you like the next major rank above that, which is 2nd lt.

          Anyway, my point was that if he did go to ROTC, then he only had one promotion. If he had gone only to JROTC, he had 2. If he had not gone to either, he would start from scratch.

          Now that I think about it, it only states ONE rank, and the date of that rank, and it was 1st LT like 4 years after he joined, so he probably did take ROTC.

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