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What's your fallback career?

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What would you do if you couldn't do online/offline marketing?
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Benjamin
    An Entrepreneur *always* finds a way.

    I can't imagine what else I would do for this
    is just what I do.

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    • Profile picture of the author butters
      A career in microbiology or immuniology (possibly further study to become a doctor).
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      • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
        Originally Posted by butters View Post

        A career in microbiology or immuniology (possibly further study to become a doctor).
        Strangely, this is what my old career was. But I am so highly specialized that it would be difficult to get back in, although offers come up from time to time.

        Therefore I don't really have a backup plan either. But when you have a young family, I think it is very important to have good financial reserves. The oft quoted 6 month's savings is nowhere good enough for me. I also have a pension which I will be eligible to draw when I am 60.

        I don't think "burning all the bridges" or "no plan B" is suitable for everybody, especially if you are not young anymore and have a family to look after.
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    • Profile picture of the author Auctiondebteliminator
      Originally Posted by Joe Benjamin View Post

      An Entrepreneur *always* finds a way.

      I can't imagine what else I would do for this
      is just what I do.

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      This quote is so true.

      I was a commercial pilot. I had a ONE time seizure with 6 figures in debt, so I knew I had to do SOMETHING to pay off my student loans. On the one year anniversary of my seizure, I was out of debt.

      I've always had ups and downs, but what I DO know, is that I'll always be okay.

      As one that never ever ever will be in debt again, I know that having an 'emergency fund' is vital. Not only in my personal life, but also my business life.

      If every income stream were to stop right now, would I panic? No! I'd be okay living the exact same lifestyle I live right now for 8 months. But I would STILL cut back - just because I have PREPARED for an emergency doesn't mean I will not expect the worst.

      But even if that DID happen, I wouldn't stay 'in unemployment'. I'd still find a way. I'd still create products, create more companies, and still grow.

      No sense sucking life out of society when you can contribute to it and yourself.
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      • Profile picture of the author Raydal
        Originally Posted by Auctiondebteliminator View Post

        I was a commercial pilot. I had a ONE time seizure with 6 figures in debt, so I knew I had to do SOMETHING to pay off my student loans. On the one year anniversary of my seizure, I was out of debt.

        I've always had ups and downs, but what I DO know, is that I'll always be okay.
        (Emphasis mines)

        Great pun! I couldn't let this one pass by.

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    • Profile picture of the author ymest
      Originally Posted by Joe Benjamin View Post

      An Entrepreneur *always* finds a way.

      I can't imagine what else I would do for this
      is just what I do.

      ~~ jOjO ~~
      This is so true!! Entrepreneurs always fall back on their feet at some point...despite many failures sometimes...and I think their secret is that, they don't fail....it was an "experimentation"... just like Edison!!

      Yoan
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    • Profile picture of the author mcario
      Originally Posted by Joe Benjamin View Post

      An Entrepreneur *always* finds a way.

      I can't imagine what else I would do for this
      is just what I do.

      ~~ jOjO ~~
      Quote of the day!!! Whether its online marketing or not, I think everyone should do what they have a passion for doing and forget about the fallback plans. Just make it work!
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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    Commercial Fishing.

    I'm actually going fishing this weekend, a good run will generate roughly $1500 - $3000 in sales in 2 days. Partnered with a friend who I fish with at 50/50 split, we usually do alright.

    All the Best,

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    • Profile picture of the author theory expert
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      Originally Posted by art72 View Post

      Commercial Fishing.
      a good run will generate roughly $1500 - $3000 in sales in 2 days. Partnered with a friend who I fish with at 50/50 split, we usually do alright.

      All the Best,

      Art
      WOW never been into the fisherman's life didn't realize the economics. Sounds like a cool gig,lol.

      Though, OP's question really doesn't make any sense from a economic stand point. There is always something to sell. This question is more along the lines of what would you be if you wasn't a marketer.
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      • Profile picture of the author art72
        Originally Posted by theory expert View Post

        WOW never been into the fisherman's life didn't realize the economics. Sounds like a cool gig,lol.
        [In red] Yeah, me neither!!!

        It's really a 'secret' niche here in South Florida. Just learned about it about 6 months ago by complete accident. While I won't give away too many details, these freshwater fish sell for $2.50 - $3.00 per lb to local markets/buyers, and $4.50 - $6.00 per lb in retail markets in New York. *Only a specific clientele eat these fish, and they are viewed as a delicacy in their country (South America) -where it's very hard to find them now.

        In fresh water, we throw 17'-25' cast nets, and in the peek season (May, June, July, August) catching 1000-3000lbs per day is work, but not uncommon. It gets real fun when 10-15 foot alligators attack the nets or the boat, because they too see these fish as their food supply...so it's a ball's out challenge to get em before the gators eat em.

        *Probably more of an 'off topic' subject in sharing it here, but much like online marketing, not many people really understand it, lol.

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        • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
          Originally Posted by art72 View Post

          [In red] Yeah, me neither!!!

          It's really a 'secret' niche here in South Florida. Just learned about it about 6 months ago by complete accident. While I won't give away too many details, these freshwater fish sell for $2.50 - $3.00 per lb to local markets/buyers, and $4.50 - $6.00 per lb in retail markets in New York. *Only a specific clientele eat these fish, and they are viewed as a delicacy in their country (South America) -where it's very hard to find them now.

          In fresh water, we throw 17'-25' cast nets, and in the peek season (May, June, July, August) catching 1000-3000lbs per day is work, but not uncommon. It gets real fun when 10-15 foot alligators attack the nets or the boat, because they too see these fish as their food supply...so it's a ball's out challenge to get em before the gators eat em.

          *Probably more of an 'off topic' subject in sharing it here, but much like online marketing, not many people really understand it, lol.

          -Art
          I am in daytona, everyone here buys the commercial lic.

          for us its between 1200 and 2k for the year. We buy it because all the buyers
          line up when we dock, and if you snatch a tuna or something else
          you cannot sell it if you don't have a lic.

          I have seen people come in and sell 200k of fish ..

          Not me, I like deep sea fishing.. love it actually, it is my relaxation method.
          But i never catch anything people want to buy.

          But i once saw a 500k check written on the docks for tuna, the same day
          I caught a HUGE tuna ... and did not have a lic.

          Since then I have always had one... just in case.
          I do seam to have a knack for catching big flounder, without gigging.
          sometimes its enough to pay for the gas.
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  • Profile picture of the author rmolina88
    Mopping floors and scrubbing toilets.
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  • Profile picture of the author LexiB
    Being a mom

    Actually that isn't a fallback career that's my 16 hour per day job.
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  • Profile picture of the author tec360
    I trade in the Forex market at the same time as doing this so probably just Forex.
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    • Profile picture of the author RogueOne
      This thread again??

      OK.

      Still a Secret Agent, or is it?
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  • Profile picture of the author jmalecha51
    I honestly want to go out to sea and be a fisherman once, then quit, just to say I did it... How much is the pay for a crew member out there by chance?
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    • Profile picture of the author art72
      Originally Posted by jmalecha51 View Post

      I honestly want to go out to sea and be a fisherman once, then quit, just to say I did it... How much is the pay for a crew member out there by chance?
      Wouldn't know, we use a 16' jon boat with a 20hp Honda w/ tilt and trim... wouldn't wanna brave the sea in that, .

      I have met people here in Florida over the years that went out for 30-60-90 days and they come back with $20k -$50k, but we're talking 'real' commercial fisherman then. I'll stick with the 1-2 days, hit em and get $:p$
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  • Profile picture of the author ronrule
    I would be Batman.

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  • Profile picture of the author JasonBennet
    I will simply just go back to my sales job to get as much commission as possible. I personally feel that being able to sell is important whether it is offline or online. There are tons of things to learn and till now I am still learning
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  • Profile picture of the author Gengis
    Maybe back to nursing, sales or starting another business like i've done a few times in my life.
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  • Profile picture of the author theory expert
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    Taking sales out the equation because sales is marketing (for white hatters). I would be the next George Plimpton. See me attempt to play in the NFL as a kicker and punter.
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  • Profile picture of the author vtotheyouknow
    Having a "Plan B" is the worst thing you can do.

    It's only when you're between a rock and a hard place that AAALL of your inner resourcefulness, your inner treasures, your intelligence and awareness come to the fore...

    Security is a kind of death. You know you have a fallback and that very knowing dulls your focus on Plan A.

    If you want to do this thing, you've got to do it and put your damn heart into it and live this life with some passion!

    There's NO TIME for a fallback career. Or to wait for the right amount of money saved up in your bank account. There's. No. More. Time.

    The next moment comes out of this moment and the next moment you might cease to exist.

    Too many would-be successful IMers fear the danger of uncertainty. But it's only in danger that you feel alive, that you overflow, and begin to share your overflowing with the world.

    And that's when you begin to help people instead of searching for cunning ways to get them to give you $97.

    And when you help people, they will FORCE their money into your pocket.

    Live dangerously my friends. You are, after all, Warriors.
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    • Profile picture of the author Flores
      I understand the thought and the mindset is a good one to have, but having a fallback plan is probably the best thing a new internet marketer can have. There is too much in the world that we do not have control over. There is a fruit stand by my house that is family owned, and been there for 10 years. Its doors closed last month because of an ADA lawsuit that they had absolutely no chance in hell paying for.

      Internet marketing is the same. Anyone who is doing well in the business will tell you that there are a ton of variables, a lot of which you do not have control over. Your number one affiliate leaves the game, a new law gets passed, etc. etc. etc.

      Besides that, having a fall back plan gives MOST people the confidence to go out and do something that they are not sure about. If internet marketing was my only possible hope for financial survival, I would be much more hesitant to do something because I would not want to mess it up. With the confidence of a fallback, I am MORE willing to try things that require investment, are "guaranteed," and may end up with me falling flat on my face.

      The confidence of a backup plan will give a person TRULY DRIVEN to do something the confidence to go balls to the wall and get it done.

      P.S. mines a degree in maketing from USC.

      Originally Posted by vtotheyouknow View Post

      Having a "Plan B" is the worst thing you can do.

      It's only when you're between a rock and a hard place that AAALL of your inner resourcefulness, your inner treasures, your intelligence and awareness come to the fore...

      Security is a kind of death. You know you have a fallback and that very knowing dulls your focus on Plan A.

      If you want to do this thing, you've got to do it and put your damn heart into it and live this life with some passion!

      There's NO TIME for a fallback career. Or to wait for the right amount of money saved up in your bank account. There's. No. More. Time.

      The next moment comes out of this moment and the next moment you might cease to exist.

      Too many would-be successful IMers fear the danger of uncertainty. But it's only in danger that you feel alive, that you overflow, and begin to share your overflowing with the world.

      And that's when you begin to help people instead of searching for cunning ways to get them to give you $97.

      And when you help people, they will FORCE their money into your pocket.

      Live dangerously my friends. You are, after all, Warriors.
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  • Profile picture of the author Danny Cutts
    Fallback career?

    You only fail when you give up trying :-)

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    Nothing, this is it.

    If you want success, cut the safety net...
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  • Profile picture of the author MartinPlatt
    There's no reason why you can't. I don't see what the point of a fallback would be - because you don't believe in yourself? If the only thing stopping you is your effort, then what makes you think you need a fallback?

    But if there was some death that I would suffer from doing internet marketing, I would be looking to create or buy other businesses, as I have always done.
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    • Profile picture of the author butters
      Originally Posted by MartinPlatt View Post

      There's no reason why you can't. I don't see what the point of a fallback would be - because you don't believe in yourself? If the only thing stopping you is your effort, then what makes you think you need a fallback?
      There are a multitude of factors which are out of your hands when it comes to business. You can do the best you can to prevent them unknowns from affecting your business but that doesn't mean they wont hit you at some time. There are many business in this world right now but because of the economical times, all entrepreneurs, most busted their balls and something happened which they couldn't prevent which ended their business.

      This part is mainly aimed at people who say mind set... What a load of crap, tell me how taking a degree would affect your mindset? Your mind is your mind, it is how you naturally think, do you think become less ambitious if you take a degree? Do you think your work ethic drops or your ability to research drops? Of course they don't, so how does taking a degree change your mind set?

      There are more things to consider here which many people haven't mentioned. Have you ever tried to go into a bank, say your an internet marketer and then ask for a mortgage? Get any form of financial backing (Eg., loan, mortgage etc...) is much harder if you are self employed because of the risk of your failing is greatly increased. Now if you go and say I am an online marketer with a masters degree in nursing or histiology etc... Do you think that will put them at ease, of course it will...

      Then there is the realism that a lot of people fail in this business and more and more marketers are failing. Income streams are drying up due to saturation, lists are becoming unresponsive, people have chucked all their eggs in one basket and lost their business over night (Many threads recently about this). So, god forbid this time comes upon you, if your back is up against the wall and you are FORCED to actually go and get a job. Wouldn't it be better to have something behind you which actually gave you a good standard of living?

      Then there are other factors which come into it, what you actually learn by going to college/uni. There are many lessons to learn there which are valuable, critical thinking, statistical tests to measure research, cultural diversity, managing your time/workload, thorough SCIENTIFIC research (Not a wikipedia page, actual peer reviewed journals) and there are so much more then this... So why on earth wouldn't you want to educate yourself when your at a young age and can?
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      • Profile picture of the author lcombs
        Originally Posted by butters View Post

        There are a multitude of factors which are out of your hands when it comes to business. You can do the best you can to prevent them unknowns from affecting your business but that doesn't mean they wont hit you at some time. There are many business in this world right now but because of the economical times, all entrepreneurs, most busted their balls and something happened which they couldn't prevent which ended their business.

        This part is mainly aimed at people who say mind set... What a load of crap, tell me how taking a degree would affect your mindset? Your mind is your mind, it is how you naturally think, do you think become less ambitious if you take a degree? Do you think your work ethic drops or your ability to research drops? Of course they don't, so how does taking a degree change your mind set?

        There are more things to consider here which many people haven't mentioned. Have you ever tried to go into a bank, say your an internet marketer and then ask for a mortgage? Get any form of financial backing (Eg., loan, mortgage etc...) is much harder if you are self employed because of the risk of your failing is greatly increased. Now if you go and say I am an online marketer with a masters degree in nursing or histiology etc... Do you think that will put them at ease, of course it will...

        Then there is the realism that a lot of people fail in this business and more and more marketers are failing. Income streams are drying up due to saturation, lists are becoming unresponsive, people have chucked all their eggs in one basket and lost their business over night (Many threads recently about this). So, god forbid this time comes upon you, if your back is up against the wall and you are FORCED to actually go and get a job. Wouldn't it be better to have something behind you which actually gave you a good standard of living?

        Then there are other factors which come into it, what you actually learn by going to college/uni. There are many lessons to learn there which are valuable, critical thinking, statistical tests to measure research, cultural diversity, managing your time/workload, thorough SCIENTIFIC research (Not a wikipedia page, actual peer reviewed journals) and there are so much more then this... So why on earth wouldn't you want to educate yourself when your at a young age and can?
        Your mind set can change at a moments notice.
        Having a college degree can absolutely change your mind set.
        Someone with a 4 year degree has a totally different mind set than someone with only a high school diploma.
        Personal experience can change your mind set.
        You can change your mind set by choosing to do so.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by ckbank View Post

      What would you do if you couldn't do online/offline marketing?
      Academic, writer, artist, forex-trader or shoe-designer (not necessarily in that order). What's yours, Ckbank?
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  • Profile picture of the author Will Edwards
    Originally Posted by ckbank View Post

    What would you do if you couldn't do online/offline marketing?
    My advice is to NOT have a plan B

    I know many people will disagree, but in my opinion, whether or not you have a plan B is something of a litmus test for whether you are ultimately going to succeed.

    On balance, I would say if you have a plan B, you are probably goning to fail.

    Will
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  • Profile picture of the author khooster1
    Let me share a Classical Chinese wartime story.

    Once a upon a time, there is a famous general named Xiang Yu with only 200 hundred soldiers trapped near a river, ambushed with tens thousand of enemy soldiers.

    In his desperation, he ordered his soldiers to dismantle the spears and used the wooden part to build boats to ferry over the river.
    With any weapons, the soldiers were left with no options, but to use their all might, determination to build the boats and ferry over the river.

    They managed to escape and made a tremendous comeback in years to come.

    The morale of the story is never go for option/easy way out in facing problem/obstacles,
    You got to dismantle all alternatives and prepare to fight the battle till the very end.

    Similarly, we shouldn't take plan B as an alternative. If not, there are always plan C, D, E, F, G.. We will end up beating the bushes.

    Let's all put up a good fight for our Internet Marketing Dream!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jacob Padget
    This IS my fallback career. My main job is a professional wrestler.
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    • Profile picture of the author Will Edwards
      Originally Posted by Jacob Padget View Post

      This IS my fallback career. My main job is a professional wrestler.
      Hey Ray - there's another one for you
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  • Profile picture of the author NewRiseDigital
    Live dangerously my friends. You are, after all, Warriors.
    Nicely said... When you have a plan B you're planning to fail. Whatever anyone told you about having a back up plan, put it in the bin. Any back up plan is no better than the plan you have now, it's just different, but not better. When you get that you realize how illogical it is to have a back up plan!

    Back up plans only serve your fear of failure, not having one laughs in the face of failure, and forces you to do whatever it takes to succeed. Yes it's scary, but there is no safe any more, no 50 year job that will pay the bills forever until you retire with that gold watch.

    Entrepreneurs are risk takers, if you don't want to take risks, don't be an entrepreneur, but you may just kick yourself when you're on your death bed and regretting doing what you really wanted when you had the time. You can spend money many times but you can only spend time once...

    Burn your bridges, face your fear, and the death of fear is certain.
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  • Profile picture of the author StevenJones
    Fallback career is like not believing you will make it. Give it your all, and if that is not enough give it some more.
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    • Profile picture of the author barefut
      I'd still pick IM, but if there was no IM and internet (heaven forbid), I'd probably opt for something totally different, like a helicopter pilot around Glacier National Park Montana. Still a dream of mine that can come true with IM
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      • Profile picture of the author RichBeck
        Originally Posted by barefut View Post

        I'd still pick IM, but if there was no IM and internet (heaven forbid), I'd probably opt for something totally different, like a helicopter pilot around Glacier National Park Montana. Still a dream of mine that can come true with IM
        barefut,

        My friend, people lived millions of years without the Internet... If it went away, life would still go on...

        All The Best,

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  • Profile picture of the author RichBeck
    Originally Posted by ckbank View Post

    What would you do if you couldn't do online/offline marketing?
    ckbank,

    Excellent question..... I don't see this as a...

    I think I'm going to fail at online/offline marketing....
    So, there is no need to get all "Zen" or whip out the Anthony Robbins tapes...

    It is a simple question....

    Although your thread title is something different..... "What's your fallback career?"

    I'm assuming you were really asking...

    Originally Posted by ckbank View Post

    What would you do if you couldn't do online/offline marketing?
    If I couldn't do online/offline marketing, I'd focus on creating software for businesses.

    If I couldn't do anything technology related, I'd start my own Construction company.

    Take Care,

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    back to chippendales i guess
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  • Profile picture of the author lcombs
    Any number of things that don't require working.
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    • Profile picture of the author RichBeck
      Originally Posted by lcombs View Post

      Any number of things that don't require working.
      lcombs,

      That sounds like a multimillion dollar WSO....... You need to package it up and sell it....

      Take Care,

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      • Profile picture of the author lcombs
        Originally Posted by RichBeck View Post

        lcombs,

        That sounds like a multimillion dollar WSO....... You need to package it up and sell it....

        Take Care,

        Rich Beck BCIP, MCSD, MCIS
        Wellll.... I may just do that.
        But, putting it together would require WORK.
        Wait a minute..... I'll just outsource it to some guy in the Philipines
        Hell, "i could even outsource the WSO.:p
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        • Profile picture of the author RichBeck
          Originally Posted by lcombs View Post

          Wellll.... I may just do that.
          But, putting it together would require WORK.
          Wait a minute..... I'll just outsource it to some guy in the Philipines
          Hell, "i could even outsource the WSO.:p
          lcombs,

          The so called "outsourcing experts" would tell you to outsource everything... :rolleyes:

          The one position I'd never outsource...

          "Professional Adult Beverage Sipper"

          I can do that myself.... especially since that involves "working" on a Caribbean beach in a lounge chair.....

          It is tough... But, I'm up for the challenge...

          Take Care,

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          • Profile picture of the author lcombs
            Originally Posted by RichBeck View Post

            lcombs,

            The so called "outsourcing experts" would tell you to outsource everything... :rolleyes:

            The one position I'd never outsource...

            "Professional Adult Beverage Sipper"

            I can do that myself.... especially since that involves "working" on a Caribbean beach in a lounge chair.....

            It is tough... But, I'm up for the challenge...

            Take Care,

            Rich Beck BCIP, MCSD, MCIS
            Believe me, I've done my share of outsourcing over the years.
            DEFINITELY with you on the whole Professional Adult Beverage Sipper gig.
            But, I'd bust my ass at "Sipping" so I could get promoted to "Drinker"

            As far as the 'pros' outsourcing....
            I've known several who literally did outsource everything.
            They find a market and outsource the entire process from product creation to web site design, sales page, promotion, and back-end sales.
            There's a ton of money to made in IM courses.
            So, you find an IM niche, 4 - 5 targeted KWs and hire somebody to create a course based around those KWs. Then outsource the rest from web site design, sales page, promotion, and back-end sales.
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            • Profile picture of the author RichBeck
              Originally Posted by lcombs View Post

              Believe me, I've done my share of outsourcing over the years.
              DEFINITELY with you on the whole Professional Adult Beverage Sipper gig.
              But, I'd bust my ass at "Sipping" so I could get promoted to "Drinker"

              As far as the 'pros' outsourcing....
              I've known several who literally did outsource everything.
              They find a market and outsource the entire process from product creation to web site design, sales page, promotion, and back-end sales.
              There's a ton of money to made in IM courses.
              So, you find an IM niche, 4 - 5 targeted KWs and hire somebody to create a course based around those KWs. Then outsource the rest from web site design, sales page, promotion, and back-end sales.
              lcombs,

              That is an interesting theory...

              The problem I've encountered is you have to spend a ton of time to find good people.....

              I'm not talking about looking for people to work for $3..... Even when paying a decent amount, I've found it challenging....

              I pay them and end up doing 90% of the work.... It just ends up frustrating me... Money and time are both gone....

              When I create the next IM course, I'm going to have to give it a try again.....

              Before I do, I'll need to document my formal process to avoid issues.....

              Take Care,

              Rich Beck BCIP, MCSD, MCIS
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              • Profile picture of the author lcombs
                Originally Posted by RichBeck View Post

                lcombs,

                That is an interesting theory...

                The problem I've encountered is you have to spend a ton of time to find good people.....

                I'm not talking about looking for people to work for $3..... Even when paying a decent amount, I've found it challenging....

                I pay them and end up doing 90% of the work.... It just ends up frustrating me... Money and time are both gone....

                When I create the next IM course, I'm going to have to give it a try again.....

                Before I do, I'll need to document my formal process to avoid issues.....

                Take Care,

                Rich Beck BCIP, MCSD, MCIS
                I used to belong to a site that was basically, an outsource brokerage.
                The owner put together a team talented people for all the various tasks related to IM.
                Everything from art/logo design to web design and copy writing, etc.
                Paid a little on the high side of traditional outsourcing but the work was good and you had accountability with the owner. Who, by the way, was a great guy to work with.
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              • Profile picture of the author lcombs
                Originally Posted by RichBeck View Post

                lcombs,

                That is an interesting theory...

                The problem I've encountered is you have to spend a ton of time to find good people.....

                I'm not talking about looking for people to work for $3..... Even when paying a decent amount, I've found it challenging....

                I pay them and end up doing 90% of the work.... It just ends up frustrating me... Money and time are both gone....

                When I create the next IM course, I'm going to have to give it a try again.....

                Before I do, I'll need to document my formal process to avoid issues.....

                Take Care,

                Rich Beck BCIP, MCSD, MCIS
                I thought I already replied to this.
                Oh well....
                I used to subscribe to a site that was created by a guy named Julius Moltgen.
                He screened and assembled a team of quality IMers from around the world.
                It was a membership that provided a number of hours of service that came out to about $10 p/h.
                A little high for outsourcing but the services were excellent and Julius was totally in charge and accountable.
                He did me right on several occassions.
                His services included everything from web design, powerpoint presentations, copy writing, article writing and submission, damn-near anything you needed done.
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    I was trained to work in social services. I have done that for quite a few years. I have always worked on my online business in my spare time, for the last 7 years. I will continue to do that.
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    What would you do if you couldn't do online/offline marketing?
    Professional couchsurfer.
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    I would go on with my former rap-career...
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    I have a bunch of Computer Science degrees.

    But haven't you read the art of war?

    The key to success, is burning your bridge.

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    I would probably work as a tinsmith, which I did before I started with IM.
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    Yukon's comment is impressive. Like many we have come here to be here.
    As Yoda says "there is no try, there is only do or do not".
    Building an escape plan affects your resolve.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    My only fears are a total economic and/or social collapse. Otherwise, I guess I can do ok. I have enough options and lately have been trying to expand on them.

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    • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      My only fears are a total economic and/or social collapse. Otherwise, I guess I can do ok. I have enough options and lately have been trying to expand on them.

      Steve
      If an total economic collapse happens, then most other people will be affected. I would rather be in the countryside where I can at least try to grow my own food, that is if the security situation is not that bad. Economic or social collapses has happened almost everywhere before and so I don't think it is worth worrying about it. Older people have been through the Great Depression and World Wars.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

        If an total economic collapse happens, then most other people will be affected. I would rather be in the countryside where I can at least try to grow my own food, that is if the security situation is not that bad. Economic or social collapses has happened almost everywhere before and so I don't think it is worth worrying about it. Older people have been through the Great Depression and World Wars.
        ACTUALLY, what I am talking about is ******RARE****** in the free world today. It hasn't happened in the US for over a HUNDRED years and even then really didn't happen to the level I am afraid of.

        You think WW1, WW2, and the depression were bad? ******HA******

        Try being in a situation where an entire city may come down your street trying to kill all in their path. Try being in a situation where BARTER is the only currency. OH you say? There is the internet? WRONG! The people providing power and the systems have every reason to be elsewhere and no reason not, so the internet is GONE! BTW stars and rich! You think your history and fame will make you safe? Wrong again! It will make you a TARGET!

        HEY, greece, parts of the US, etc.... have not seen this happen AT ALL yet ****BUT****, in the past couple decades, we HAVE seen a SMALL taste of this. Groups , that have CHOSEN not to work, etc... Lose, or don't gain, a lot, and cause utter HAVOK.

        AGAIN, that is a relatively small section.

        Steve
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