Windows 8 Turned My Wife into a Mac-Head

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My wife was so annoyed with a new laptop computer with Windows 8 that she purchased, she returned the computer and picked up a Mac instead. Now I'm contstantly getting earfulls of praise for Mac coupled with curses for Windows, Mac doesn't heat up the way the other one did, you can write chinese characters straight into the tablet, Mac is elegant not clunky the way Windows is, yadda yadda yadda.
  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Aw, that's not so bad. Just add cheese. Everyone likes mac and cheese, right?
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    • Profile picture of the author garyv
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      Aw, that's not so bad. Just add cheese. Everyone likes mac and cheese, right?
      You just added it...


      I hear nothing but praises about macs as well, but I'm afraid to get one, because I'm afraid I'll like it. And I hate that they cost so much. I think I'll switch to Ubuntu before switching to mac. I'm too much of a cheapskate.
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      • Profile picture of the author ThomM
        Originally Posted by garyv View Post

        You just added it...


        I hear nothing but praises about macs as well, but I'm afraid to get one, because I'm afraid I'll like it. And I hate that they cost so much. I think I'll switch to Ubuntu before switching to mac. I'm too much of a cheapskate.
        I went from win7 to Ubuntu and now I'm running Mint.
        Unless you have a specific marketing program, you can find almost everything else you would use on a win. for free with Linux.
        Occasionally you need to do something through a terminal, but not often. For example to play DVD's that are encrypted (like from Netflix) I had to download the codex through a terminal command. But the Linux site gives you the command so it's just a copy and paste deal.
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    The PC vs MAC situation reminds me a lot of democrats vs republicans
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    • Profile picture of the author garyv
      Originally Posted by DWaters View Post

      The PC vs MAC situation reminds me a lot of democrats vs republicans
      Not sure how this has anything to do w/ politics, but -

      We must be running Windows ME right now...
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    • Profile picture of the author RichBeck
      Originally Posted by DWaters View Post

      The PC vs MAC situation reminds me a lot of democrats vs republicans
      DWaters,

      Not quite...... Windows computers outnumber Macs by a wide margin....

      Try walking into Best Buy, Office Depot, Wal-Mart, etc. Notice how much Windows software is there....

      Now, look for the Mac software section.... If they have one, it is very small...

      That speaks volumes....

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      Rich Beck BCIP, MCSD, MCIS
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      • Profile picture of the author Lloyd Buchinski
        Originally Posted by RichBeck View Post

        Try walking into Best Buy, Office Depot, Wal-Mart, etc. Notice how much Windows software is there....

        Now, look for the Mac software section.... If they have one, it is very small...
        It's even worse than that. The largest supplier of mac software is MS, probably because of Mac versions of Office.
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        • Profile picture of the author RichBeck
          Originally Posted by Lloyd Buchinski View Post

          It's even worse than that. The largest supplier of mac software is MS, probably because of Mac versions of Office.
          Lloyd,

          That is great!!

          One of the indisputable facts the "Mac lovers" forget.....

          Microsoft invested a heap of cash to keep Apple "alive" in 1997....

          Those same "Mac lovers" will probably remember William Henry Gates III speaking at MacWorld.... I LOVED IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          Microsoft desperately needed Apple to survive..... If not, they would have encountered even more antitrust legal issues... in a variety of countries.

          Take Care,

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  • Profile picture of the author Jajistan
    Windows XP always worked very nicely for me. I know that things need to move forwards but if you current OS is working fine, why be forced to upgrade it? Yeah, I know that MS needs to make money and they cannot be expected to support an old OS until the end of time but then I am writing this on a second hand original iPad and it is updated regularly at no cost to me. Sure, it doesn't have a camera and I can not use certain apps but it still works really very well.

    The only thing stopping me from investing fully in a mac is the initial cost as they are of course much more expensive than a PC, but I'm sure that I will in time invest.

    Looking that the other points: a mac will not go out of date as quickly as a PC, a new OS doesn't cost anywhere near as much on mac as it does on a pc and most importantly - Macs are much more sexy.
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    • Profile picture of the author Lloyd Buchinski
      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      You just added it...
      Enjoyed that

      Originally Posted by Jajistan View Post

      The only thing stopping me from investing fully in a mac is the initial cost as they are of course much more expensive than a PC, but I'm sure that I will in time invest.

      Looking that the other points: a mac will not go out of date as quickly as a PC, a new OS doesn't cost anywhere near as much on mac as it does on a pc and most importantly - Macs are much more sexy.
      For the price part, I fell for all the MacMouth stuff and bought one. It wasn't as good as a pc I had that cost half as much. The mac actually crashed more than my my 3 main pcs combined, and they did about 100 times as much work.

      A new OS on either doesn't cost much these days, but I thought it was less for a pc. I got the 8 upgrade with an install dvd, not a download, from Amazon for about $49 with a $25 dollar credit towards other Amazon purchases. That offer isn't available now.

      For the part about going out of date quickly, macs stop supporting their systems much sooner. MS does it for 10 years, and I think XP is on the last leg of that.

      For the macs:

      Apple is too quick to abandon its customers

      Although Apple has never said so publicly, it’s common knowledge among Mac experts that Apple provides updates (security and otherwise) only for the current OS X version and the most recent.

      That means Macs that are between three and five years old are left unprotected unless their owners pay for an upgrade to a new version of OS X. (Apple charges $29 to upgrade from Leopard to Snow Leopard and another $30 to upgrade from Snow Leopard to Lion.)
      The quote is from this page Flashback malware exposes big gaps in Apple security response | Exploit-ID - Exploit Information Disclosure

      They also have much less telephone support. All the PCs I've bought have had a year of free support. Mac only offers 90 days. If the sucker (me, sigh) wants more, it is expensive.

      For the op, I installed Windows 8 and after about a week I uninstalled it and went back to 7. If you like working on your desktop, 8 is a step backwards. After about a month I thought I'd give it another try, but a week later went back to 7 again.

      It is built for touch screens so it needs large icons that people can poke with their fingers. It can't take advantage of the pixel precision available with a mouse. This meant they had to get rid of the start menu system of programs and folders.

      You have to find what you want by typing the search, and after that the program will be on your start screen, in a big fat finger icon, no folders. In a week I had enough of them that it stretched 3 folds to the right.

      People are very different and some prefer the applications to the desktop.

      I tried adapting and installing shortcuts on my desktop for commonly used items like computer and control panel. That helped and if someone has to go with 8 because that is what is installed on the computer, you might use that.

      One star. It was a waste of money for me. If I could get a refund I'd up that a star, but it seems like I can't get a refund. (sigh)

      Most of this last part was from my one star Amazon review, and someone replied that he thinks I can get a refund if I contact MS and give them my product key. I just got a contact phone number for customer support in the US. (I'm on the road now.)

      Microsoft support 877-254-4698 Mon - Fri 8:00am – 1:00am Sat - Sun noon – 8:00pm (EST)

      I'm going to try it tomorrow and it might be worth publicizing if they will refund. There were almost as many 1 star reviews as there were 5 star reviews.
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  • Profile picture of the author SShip
    To me, buying the MAC was the best purchase I had made in a long time when it came to computers. I owned PC's for years and about 3 years ago switched to a MAC and it was definitely the best decision I made. I was replacing my PC's at least once a year, but not my MAC. I've owned it for about 3 years. It cost about $30 to upgrade the operating system (when I decided it was time) and took about an hour to do the upgrade. I'd never return to a PC now. The best thing, I absolutely don't worry about viruses.
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  • Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

    My wife was so annoyed with a new laptop computer with Windows 8 that she purchased, she returned the computer and picked up a Mac instead.
    I've purchased 3 laptops in the last year and all of them (2 Dell's and 1 HP) have had the same problem: the cursor is schizophrenic in that it wanders and does other annoying things. Sometimes it freezes up and won't move. I took all three of 'em back back and got a refund. I checked online and the wandering cursor issue has been a plague of Dell's for the last couple of years. You would think their engineers would have rectified the problem by now. All in all laptops just don't seem as sturdy as a desktop. As far as Windows 8 is concerned it was easy to master but I prefer XP.
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    The problem with switching to a Mac, for me anyway, is all the software I'd have to replace.
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    • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      The problem with switching to a Mac, for me anyway, is all the software I'd have to replace.
      Yeah, for sure. I'm not taking that route either. Not only because of all the software I have but because with Mac, everything is overly idiosyncratic, proprietary, and expensive. That constricts development, in my opinion, not just one's bank account.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

        Yeah, for sure. I'm not taking that route either. Not only because of all the software I have but because with Mac, everything is overly idiosyncratic, proprietary, and expensive.
        Like with WINDOWS!

        That constricts development, in my opinion, not just one's bank account.
        Things have moved a lot to java and web, and it is the same with both.

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        • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

          Like with WINDOWS!
          I figured someone would call me on that, lol.

          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

          Things have moved a lot to java and web, and it is the same with both.

          Steve
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    Ah...........sometimes it's wonderful to be a techno-idiot. I have XP and can use it effectively so don't have to worry about all the other things that allow you to do XX more of this and that - stuff that I'd have to take the time to learn while I'm trying to get my writing done. LOL.
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    • Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Ah...........sometimes it's wonderful to be a techno-idiot. I have XP and can use it effectively so don't have to worry about all the other things that allow you to do XX more of this and that - stuff that I'd have to take the time to learn while I'm trying to get my writing done. LOL.
      Dead man walking: I love XP too but it ain't got long to live as I hear Windows will stop updating it in or around April of next year.
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        I hear nothing but praises about macs as well, but I'm afraid to get one, because I'm afraid I'll like it. And I hate that they cost so much. I think I'll switch to Ubuntu before switching to mac. I'm too much of a cheapskate.
        Yep, l have W7, and have high praise for it overall!

        It may keep reducing file displays to listings, to save memory, and l constantly have to change it to large icons!

        And the voice recognition sucks, compared to Apple, but overall l am happy with it.

        Although my brother is an Apple nut, and tries to get me into them, but the cost is too high!

        He recently got a Apple Tablet, and tried to show my how cool the voice recognition was, but it failed miserably!


        And Apple computers still get viruses, just a lot less of them!!! :rolleyes:

        Shane
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        • Profile picture of the author uniquecontent
          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          Yep, l have W7, and have high praise for it overall!

          It may keep reducing file displays to listings, to save memory, and l constantly have to change it to large icons!

          And the voice recognition sucks, compared to Apple, but overall l am happy with it.

          Although my brother is an Apple nut, and tries to get me into them, but the cost is too high!

          He recently got a Apple Tablet, and tried to show my how cool the voice recognition was, but it failed miserably!


          And Apple computers still get viruses, just a lot less of them!!! :rolleyes:

          Shane
          Everlasting topic! True that Mac is beautiful, safe and easy to work with (don't hit me for this PC guys) but Windows is best bet when it comes to work (for my area of expertise). Software and plugin writers prefers PC so i have to keep windows.
          Although i will agree that W8 sucks for me, i have windows 7 on my laptop and desktop and i am NOT going to upgrade W8 at any damn cost.
          and i love checking emails on my mac in my bed with morning tea. Can't help it, apple is lovely :p
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  • Profile picture of the author New Comer
    Yeah I'm a PC guy...regular wiz on the PC to an extent...put me on a Mac and I struggle a little, that's how unfamilliar I am. I'll be PC for life I think...well....maybe when I have money to blow I'll get a mac for fun but until then it's PC all the way!
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  • Profile picture of the author bravo75
    Windows 8 turned me into a metro-sexual buffoon.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Try spelling out W8!

    weight! It is HEAVY on memory and disk space! It SOUNDS like:
    wait! What you will be doing a lot!

    YEP! It is an APPROPRIATE name!

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  • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
    Watch out. Pretty soon your wife will preface everything she says with "i".

    Thunderbird, will you pass the iSalt?

    Would you hand me the keys to the iCar?

    I just had an iSandwich and it was delicious!
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  • Profile picture of the author RichBeck
    Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

    My wife was so annoyed with a new laptop computer with Windows 8 that she purchased, she returned the computer and picked up a Mac instead. Now I'm contstantly getting earfulls of praise for Mac coupled with curses for Windows, Mac doesn't heat up the way the other one did, you can write chinese characters straight into the tablet, Mac is elegant not clunky the way Windows is, yadda yadda yadda.
    thunderbird,

    I've looked at the Macs several times in the past....

    What I hate is how Apple "locks you in." Much of their hardware is not easily expandable....

    Take the iPhone....

    Own a 32 GB and want a 64 GB?

    No problem!

    Sell your iPhone on Craig's List... and buy a new one!

    Whereas the Android phones.... You simply walk into Microcenter.... Buy a 64 GB card... and you are on your way.

    Plus, the iPhone doesn't use an "industry standard" microUSB... Another idiotic move to lock people in.... Instead, they use a crappy proprietary connector.....

    It makes me wonder.....

    All the "Apple fanatics" are so "forward thinking." How can they tolerate a company that locks you in to their expensive hardware with so few options?

    As for me, I'll stick to the PCs with tons of interchangeable parts to run Windows and Linux..... They provide a lot more bang for your buck.

    Take Care,

    Rich Beck BCIP, MCSD, MCIS
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  • Profile picture of the author williambrown
    I am definitely not a MAC fan, it is a little picky when it comes to softwares installed in it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Greg71
    My ipad2 is awesome, but I still use XP on my netbook as it does the job and is simple-looking compared to Vista/ 7 etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author SandraLarkin
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    In my opinion the only power users that should be using macs are graphic designers. Macs are for people that want absolutely no control over their machine, or their software.
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  • Profile picture of the author taskemann
    Why Mac? :O

    Install Linux Mint on her computer instead and she'll be in heaven. It's fast, stable and with Wine installed, you can run any Windows application. The interface is more like a hybrid between Windows XP and Android OS and it's open and free!

    I got a complete geekgasm the first time I tried it because it was so superb!
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Originally Posted by taskemann View Post

      Why Mac? :O

      Install Linux Mint on her computer instead and she'll be in heaven. It's fast, stable and with Wine installed, you can run any Windows application. The interface is more like a hybrid between Windows XP and Android OS and it's open and free!

      I got a complete geekgasm the first time I tried it because it was so superb!
      I haven't installed Wine yet, but I did just install Moonlight
      I also installed (on disks) 3 versions of Mint14. I'm using Mint12 on my computer currently. I checked out the 3 new versions (Cinnamon, XFCE, and KDE) and decided to stay with 12 for now.
      I don't see me ever going back to Windows or even trying a Mac.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
      Originally Posted by taskemann View Post

      Why Mac? :O

      Install Linux Mint on her computer instead and she'll be in heaven. It's fast, stable and with Wine installed, you can run any Windows application. The interface is more like a hybrid between Windows XP and Android OS and it's open and free!

      I got a complete geekgasm the first time I tried it because it was so superb!
      I need to try this out. My desktop has a second 2 TB hard drive doing nothing. Perhaps I'll dual boot this computer and test this...
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      • Profile picture of the author Benny L
        I've played with macs, linux, and windows. I've chosen Windows. Why?

        Because I don't buy new computers. I buy a computer case and install the components. One year, I might upgrade the processor. The next year, upgrade RAM, then a video card... and the old stuff goes into my secondary computer, which is then "upgraded" as well... like hand-me-down clothes. So I'm always upgrading 2 computers for the price of one. And when I have enough spare parts lying around, I buy another case, slap the parts into it, and sell it to a friend who needs a decent computer for about $200 or so... 3 years ago, a friend in a pinch got my Intel dual core, 2Gb ram, 500GB HD, basic video card, high quality PSU (corsair), loaded with Vista for $200. A year before that, my parents got my dual core Athlon of similar specs as a Xmas present. For the average user, any dual core is just fine for modern computing. And for me, it's just cast-off parts.

        And I tell them, "Don't worry about support for this computer. Everything is upgradeable. If there's a problem, bring it to me and we'll fix it." Computer hardware is not rocket science. And of the four computers I've sold or given away, not one has EVER had a single hardware-related issue... because I'm always using good parts. Yes, these are used computers I can feel GOOD about selling to friends or giving to family.

        I'm running Vista and 7. I really don't see how anybody can complain about the cost of an OS. A three-pack of Win7 cost me about $90. That's $30 per install. Figuring MS supports it for 10 years, that's $3 per PC per year. That's NOTHING.

        And unlike Linux, all the world's best software, and more importantly the best HARDWARE, is available to me. You Linux guys must not worry too much about hardware. Personally, it's important to me to be able to buy the peripherals I want without worrying about whether a driver is available to make it work properly. Sure, figuring it out, and finding stuff that would work was relatively EASY, but it did take a lot of time... such a waste compared to "click... click... Install Completed". And unlike Mac, I'll never have to buy a new one when the old one gets long in the tooth.

        Seriously, if I wanted an 8-core computer tomorrow, I'd need about $300 for the CPU and Mobo. The hard drives, my DDR3, the Power Supply, and the Graphics card would all transfer over. It would take about 2-3 hours to install everything... less time than I'd spend shopping for a new desktop computer. And it wouldn't come with pre-installed garbage on it. And if something breaks on me (very rare), I just open it up and replace the part.

        Seriously, you don't have to be a computer geek to build a computer. And once you know how, it's really hard to justify buying a desktop from Dell/HP/Apple ever again.
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
          Originally Posted by Benny L View Post

          I've played with macs, linux, and windows. I've chosen Windows. Why?

          Because I don't buy new computers. I buy a computer case and install the components. One year, I might upgrade the processor. The next year, upgrade RAM, then a video card... and the old stuff goes into my secondary computer, which is then "upgraded" as well... like hand-me-down clothes. So I'm always upgrading 2 computers for the price of one. And when I have enough spare parts lying around, I buy another case, slap the parts into it, and sell it to a friend who needs a decent computer for about $200 or so... 3 years ago, a friend in a pinch got my Intel dual core, 2Gb ram, 500GB HD, basic video card, high quality PSU (corsair), loaded with Vista for $200. A year before that, my parents got my dual core Athlon of similar specs as a Xmas present. For the average user, any dual core is just fine for modern computing. And for me, it's just cast-off parts.

          And I tell them, "Don't worry about support for this computer. Everything is upgradeable. If there's a problem, bring it to me and we'll fix it." Computer hardware is not rocket science. And of the four computers I've sold or given away, not one has EVER had a single hardware-related issue... because I'm always using good parts. Yes, these are used computers I can feel GOOD about selling to friends or giving to family.

          I'm running Vista and 7. I really don't see how anybody can complain about the cost of an OS. A three-pack of Win7 cost me about $90. That's $30 per install. Figuring MS supports it for 10 years, that's $3 per PC per year. That's NOTHING.

          And unlike Linux, all the world's best software, and more importantly the best HARDWARE, is available to me. You Linux guys must not worry too much about hardware. Personally, it's important to me to be able to buy the peripherals I want without worrying about whether a driver is available to make it work properly. Sure, figuring it out, and finding stuff that would work was relatively EASY, but it did take a lot of time... such a waste compared to "click... click... Install Completed". And unlike Mac, I'll never have to buy a new one when the old one gets long in the tooth.

          Seriously, if I wanted an 8-core computer tomorrow, I'd need about $300 for the CPU and Mobo. The hard drives, my DDR3, the Power Supply, and the Graphics card would all transfer over. It would take about 2-3 hours to install everything... less time than I'd spend shopping for a new desktop computer. And it wouldn't come with pre-installed garbage on it. And if something breaks on me (very rare), I just open it up and replace the part.

          Seriously, you don't have to be a computer geek to build a computer. And once you know how, it's really hard to justify buying a desktop from Dell/HP/Apple ever again.
          Some very good points.

          I will say though, when spec'ing my new desktop last year, I priced out everything individually that I wanted. Then went to Dell and got the identical set up for about 100 bucks more, fully assembled and working. So I went that route. But any and all upgrades I do without Dell, nor do I ever use their tech support. I take care of ALL the computers in my house, plus various other family and friends...

          Oh, and my desktop cost me less than a Macbook...
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          • Profile picture of the author Benny L
            Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

            Some very good points.

            I will say though, when spec'ing my new desktop last year, I priced out everything individually that I wanted. Then went to Dell and got the identical set up for about 100 bucks more, fully assembled and working. So I went that route. But any and all upgrades I do without Dell, nor do I ever use their tech support. I take care of ALL the computers in my house, plus various other family and friends...

            Oh, and my desktop cost me less than a Macbook...
            I would've happily saved the hundred bucks for the benefit of having more documentation on what's going on inside the computer, and knowing my upgrade options down the line. The problem is that Mfr mobo's are notoriously difficult to upgrade beyond a simple RAM or HD swap. They tend to have a minimal number of USB ports, a minimal number of SATA ports, and specs can be hard to come by. Sometimes they even lock down the BIOS... whereas most mobos in the enthusiast market stuff their boards to the gills with that stuff, even at the lower price points! Jeez. I have 9 USB peripherals plugged in right now, 2 HD's, and space for another 4 hard drives if I ever have the need. And 4 RAM slots, rather than two. That's one feature I ALWAYS insist on when looking at mobo's... that you don't often get from the big manufacturers. Upgrading RAM when it requires you to ditch the two stick you already have is immediately twice as expensive as just adding two more sticks. That alone saves another $50 or so when you come to that point. And if you want to install a hardcore video card later? Odds are your stock PSU won't handle it. Faster CPU that requires more wattage? No way can most Mfr Mobo's handle more wattage than the CPU they came with. The corners they cut start to add up when you get deep into the upgrades.

            It seems like little stuff, but IF you decide you'd rather upgrade your computer 3 or 4 times before getting rid of it, rather than slowly let it get more and more annoyingly antiquated with time, it typically does save you additional money in the long run when you start out with DIY. You just have to be committed to the slow upgrade route, as opposed to the "toss it out and buy another in 4 years."

            And I won't be so arrogant as to say that my way is better. What I will say though is that it's pretty hard to conceive of a moment in time when I will not be completely satisfied with my computer. And that's what makes me happy. Too many people spend big $$ on a computer, love it, then 4 years later are cursing that turd and scraping up the cash to buy something better. I never encounter that. My computer is never top of the line, but it's always better than most... 4 years from now, still better than most... 4 years later... still better than most. It's nice to NOT have to work on crappy equipment, which is what most bigbox computers will eventually become. I prefer the steady upgrade choice. The downside, of course, is that you never have that gleaming shiny "new toy". But I can live with that...

            Because I guess I'm cheap.

            This message has been sent through a nearly 20 year old computer... although not a single part is the same as when it began.


            One other thought... sometimes it's better to have multiple computers. I'm into audio recording and so I have a dual core for that. Computer tech has reached a point where faster parts don't really help much. Audio is just no longer remotely close to being resource-intensive, as it used to be considered. And, by having a dedicated computer for that task, it keeps all that crazy software and such separate from my day-to-day computer... which streamlines BOTH computers and makes them both seem way faster and more capable than they otherwise would.
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            • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
              Originally Posted by Benny L View Post

              One other thought... sometimes it's better to have multiple computers. I'm into audio recording and so I have a dual core for that. Computer tech has reached a point where faster parts don't really help much. Audio is just no longer remotely close to being resource-intensive, as it used to be considered. And, by having a dedicated computer for that task, it keeps all that crazy software and such separate from my day-to-day computer... which streamlines BOTH computers and makes them both seem way faster and more capable than they otherwise would.
              Valid points.

              Many people don't seem to like Dell, but I have used them almost exclusively for the past 8 years. On the rare occasions I have done hardware upgrades, I have found that I can source what I need from just about anywhere and they work well in the Dell, including Mobo's.

              Admittedly, I probably don't have near the requirements as some. I use my computers mostly for office and web design type applications, some lightweight video work via Camtasia, that sort of thing. I have NO games on any of my computers.

              Nothing wrong with being frugal. But I place a value on my time - not just on materials. If it cost me a couple of hundred more to get a computer built for me, then that saves me several hours of my time - which I place a higher value on than a few hundred

              It's a matter of personal choice. I've been fortunate with computers thus far...
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    • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
      Originally Posted by taskemann View Post

      It's fast, stable and with Wine installed, you can run any Windows application.
      That's not true. Not even close.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
        Originally Posted by mojojuju View Post

        That's not true. Not even close.
        Can you elaborate? Before I go through the trouble of installing... are there many issues with this?

        Thanks.
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        • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
          Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

          Can you elaborate? Before I go through the trouble of installing... are there many issues with this?

          Thanks.
          Just as I said, you cannot run any windows application with Wine. There's lots of stuff that runs good, but there's lots of applications that don't run good, don't run at all, or won't even install.

          You can go here to see which applications run with Wine, and which ones don't WineHQ - Browse Applications

          In other words, don't expect a seamless transition from Windows to Linux if that means using all of your Windows applications.
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
            Originally Posted by mojojuju View Post

            Just as I said, you cannot run any windows application with Wine. There's lots of stuff that runs good, but there's lots of applications that don't run good, don't run at all, or won't even install.

            You can go here to see which applications run with Wine, and which ones don't WineHQ - Browse Applications

            In other words, don't expect a seamless transition from Windows to Linux if that means using all of your Windows applications.
            Thanks for the link...

            Honestly, I'm not looking to replace Windows. Was more curious to see how well applications will run in this environment.

            Sometimes I get bored and need to play...
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      • Profile picture of the author taskemann
        Originally Posted by mojojuju View Post

        That's not true. Not even close.
        I haven't had any problems with it.
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  • Profile picture of the author techbul
    I have been an avid user of windows 8 for the past 4 months. Frankly speaking, I am more than happy to use this platform as it is smooth, flexible and has an amazing user interface. Hence, I will continue to do so
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  • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
    Omg just bought a new laptop with windows 8.

    I thought I was forced to use the new interface which SUCKS!

    Thankgod you can click "desktop" and get a more classic look.

    What are MS thinking with this crap seriously.

    Don't change things that are not broken uh!
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
    Updated my wifes laptop with 8. She got annoyed not having the traditional Start menu, so I did some searching and found some tools to make 8 work just like 7.

    What I DO like about 8 is the boot up and shut down are much faster.

    Like anything, when you get used to the changes, it's just fine.

    As for Macs, in a house with a total of 8 computers (ALL PC's) that are networked, etc. I can not justify the 2 to 3 times the cost of a Mac over a PC. When maintained and protected properly, you will not have all the issues that Mac people seem to go on about. Mine don't crash, I don't get viruses, they operate smoothly, they network well...

    No. I'll stick with my PCs.
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    • Profile picture of the author RichBeck
      Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

      As for Macs, in a house with a total of 8 computers (ALL PC's) that are networked, etc. I can not justify the 2 to 3 times the cost of a Mac over a PC. When maintained and protected properly, you will not have all the issues that Mac people seem to go on about. Mine don't crash, I don't get viruses, they operate smoothly, they network well...

      No. I'll stick with my PCs.
      Mike,

      It is sooooooooooo funny.....

      The "Mac lovers" wax on about how it never crashes and never gets viruses.....

      I have know a few people who bought Macs because of that "hype."

      Guess what? Every one of them got viruses......... Every one of them ended up switching back to Windows.....

      Take Care,

      Rich Beck BCIP, MCSD, MCIS
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      • Profile picture of the author AprilCT
        Windows 8 made my husband grumpy every time he uses the computer. It's a huge shock going from 7 to 8 and we are doing our part to pump up the sales and line the pockets of the authors of windows 8 for dummies. Our copy should be here very soon.
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  • Profile picture of the author jenniferlne
    It's hilarious how this thread turned into an "I hate Mac" party...lol That's great, feel free to stick to what you know. Just as many of you that have gripes about Mac, trust me, we have just as many about Windows. I totally agree that I love my Note 2 (Droid) over my iphone, but I can crash a windows computer faster than anyone I know, maybe it's the adult sites?! lol Those of us that are not savvy with how to fix viruses and all that stuff (The same ones created by MS so they can sell you their Anti-virus software), I'd rather buy a comp that has NO virus issues (5 years and 7 Macs later I've never had ONE, and I still have ALL of my Macs running!), and I'm happy. Thanks MS for dumping cash into your competitor that's going to make you obsolete soon. And those thinking of buying a mac, running a VPS is your best and most amazing route! I love it.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
      Originally Posted by jenniferlne View Post

      It's hilarious how this thread turned into an "I hate Mac" party...lol That's great, feel free to stick to what you know. Just as many of you that have gripes about Mac, trust me, we have just as many about Windows. I totally agree that I love my Note 2 (Droid) over my iphone, but I can crash a windows computer faster than anyone I know, maybe it's the adult sites?! lol Those of us that are not savvy with how to fix viruses and all that stuff (The same ones created by MS so they can sell you their Anti-virus software), I'd rather buy a comp that has NO virus issues (5 years and 7 Macs later I've never had ONE, and I still have ALL of my Macs running!), and I'm happy. Thanks MS for dumping cash into your competitor that's going to make you obsolete soon. And those thinking of buying a mac, running a VPS is your best and most amazing route! I love it.
      Funny - I don't see a Mac hating party at all.A bit sensitive are we?

      Do you know a big reason why Macs suffer far fewer hacks and viruses?

      Market share. Windows still has way more opportunities and victims for hackers and anti-virus programs to exploit. In other words - they are simply targeted more often than Macs.

      I have seen Macs crash lickety split, by the way. In fact, I recently worked in an office where I had the ONLY PC (my Dell laptop) and I was the only one with no issues with connectivity, crashes and freeze ups.

      But you are right- we stick with what we know. I'll keep my problem-free PCs - at one-third the price
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