Is Disclosure About ETs Imminent?

In some ways, yes. But in a broader sense, we are still very limited. Energy costs are very high, which is one of the factors that keeps the majority of people on this planet poor or at least struggling. Free (or very low cost) energy would completely transform things.

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Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by LarryC

In some ways, yes. But in a broader sense, we are still very limited. Energy costs are very high, which is one of the factors that keeps the majority of people on this planet poor or at least struggling. Free (or very low cost) energy would completely transform things.

Well that is hat Greer is saying - he is saying the reason there has not been disclosure is because of the free energy it would produce, and propulsion systems, etc.

Anyway, this is all feels like a movie script. He's been saying this for years.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by LarryC

In some ways, yes. But in a broader sense, we are still very limited. Energy costs are very high, which is one of the factors that keeps the majority of people on this planet poor or at least struggling. Free (or very low cost) energy would completely transform things.

Honestly? Would low cost energy really change things?

I put it to you that it really wouldn't, it might cost VERY little to produce this energy by the corporations but it would be very expensive for people to acquire.

Energy companies are not in the business of helping out humanity.

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Kay King

11 years ago

Energy companies are not in the business of helping out humanity.

Energy companies wouldn't exist were it not for humanity. But I don't agree they aren't in the business of helping - they are in business because of the power we now think of as our right.

I think we've lost track of what energy does for us. Yes, it's big business and there's mountains of money involved. But it's also a critical service we totally depend on.

Can you imagine giving someone from the 17th century a tour of your home? Lights that come on at the flick of a switch - machines that run by themselves to clean clothes and dishes - heat in every corner of every room and the ability to cool the air in summer? ...and that's before you get to TV and cellphones and a passenger plane flies overhead.

What would they think of a vehicle - comfortable to sit in where the passengers are protected from the elements - that runs faster than any horse over endless paved roadways?

So - today is the 24th....anyone found the truth about little green men yet?

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11 years ago

Tesla had free power for us, too - look how far that got us. Cancer has had many cures - look how far that got us. Whatever this new free power source is that will take power from the elite - it would have to be something that people can build themselves very cheaply and easily or it will amount to just about as much as anything else that could benefit mankind that has been taken away from us because a few people are sociopathically greedy. It would probably have to come with a threat to implement it "or else".

Considering that our sociopaths in power are producing nukes and traveling into space, I'd say it's only a matter of time before any ET in the possibly effected area tells them to knock off their crap and helps to fix us. Never know who was hanging out on Mars when we got there and is just generally PO'd about things here going there.

Yep, true, unless the person who created the film above, is an outright lie, then we have concrete proof, but it has been a few days since this, and what do we see on the news, etc,....

Nothing!!!

I find obvious signs of water on Mars, still nothing!

In a civilized, intelligent society, we should be getting front page large photos of the latest exciting find from Mars and several discussion shows on tv, talking about, what is that, and what is that silver material made of, etc...

As others have said the socialpaths, (good name) have literally put this world into a modern day dark ages. Information is recorded, but huge advances in science, medicine and space exploration are suppressed.

And millions continue to suffer, so a handful of B***** can enjoy, massive oil profits, and continue to have someone make their meals, and clean out there mansions trice a week, etc!

From what l have read Rockafeller, started this crap, because of losses with oil lamp stocks, and set things up, so combustion engines would be the dominant way to move around, (huge oil profits for him) and structure medicine in the same way! Radio and Chemo being the dominant, ways to treat Cancer. funny thing about that one, is they have had huge funding for Cancer for at least 60 years, but still cant tell us what it is and what causes it????

Probably for the same reason as free energy, tell someone how to build one, or where to buy it, or what causes it, and you will have a dramatic improvement in peoples health.

But as said before in an enlightened society, if mainstream science found a little old lady, that created a cure for cancer with a 99% success rate, they would research it and and within 5 years, produce a cheap and very effective treatment.

But in this world, WHO, just craps on about, if it is not FDA tested we don't want to know!!!!

But of course if it makes huge profits, and the patient has to lose their house to pay for it, great!!!!

I don't know about you, but l would love to tie some of these A**** ***** up in a chair and let some Boofy men rearrange their faces!!!! Hypothetically speaking of course!

Clearly in this world coloured plastic is more important than peoples lives!!! This world has gone as far as it can in regards to rock bottom, so something positive should happen soon. And some mass shootings of sociopaths couldn't hurt!

As l have shown in the Mars thread, an independent, millionare will launch a rover, at Mars in the next 5 years. And unless some of the crucial components get blocked by NASA, etc, we will finally get to see what is really there.

But probably like before, the tv's and newspapers, will be silent and HD videos and images will be available online?

In movies, they always make out the media, goes to great lengths to find the truth, and show it. But in this sick world the sociopaths, control the media, and have trained it so well, that not even some subliminal messages or images are let out. Although a recent Mars special, from NASA did say that some scientists believed that water is flowing on Mars now!

But anyway, l figure that NASA and the socialpaths have less than 5 years to live it up, before their bubble bursts, and the truth comes out, because at the very least, the independent rover will beam back images for the media, that have blue skys, and green stuff on some of the rocks!

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Ephrils

11 years ago

ET Disclosure is something I've noticed is always "around the corner" or "near" and it just never pans out. I don't expect a UFO to land on the White House lawn or anything, and I don't see any beneficial reason a real ET would want to speak to world leaders anyway. Look at the North Korea situation, Iraq, Syria, I wouldn't want to talk to those people either.

If we get it, it will have to be in a way outside of that arena that no one can deny but millions can see.

I've heard about this documentary. It makes quick rounds in the paranormal community. The problem is everyone can't wait to shout "fraud!" or "debunked" that even if it was the real thing, no one would believe it.

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LarryC

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Ephrils

ET Disclosure is something I've noticed is always "around the corner" or "near" and it just never pans out. I don't expect a UFO to land on the White House lawn or anything, and I don't see any beneficial reason a real ET would want to speak to world leaders anyway. Look at the North Korea situation, Iraq, Syria, I wouldn't want to talk to those people either.

If we get it, it will have to be in a way outside of that arena that no one can deny but millions can see.

I've heard about this documentary. It makes quick rounds in the paranormal community. The problem is everyone can't wait to shout "fraud!" or "debunked" that even if it was the real thing, no one would believe it.

True, this might be another letdown that is debunked and debated so that any real value is obscured. I don't even know if the footage he shows is real. The movie won't be released until 4/22.

I won't be surprised if it fizzles out like most other big promises and announcements. Yet I still hope that this will be different.

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Dennis Gaskill

11 years ago

The trailer looks kind of interesting.

Sirius Theatrical Trailer - Dr. Steven Greer,...

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HeySal

11 years ago

Tesla had free power for us, too - look how far that got us. Cancer has had many cures - look how far that got us. Whatever this new free power source is that will take power from the elite - it would have to be something that people can build themselves very cheaply and easily or it will amount to just about as much as anything else that could benefit mankind that has been taken away from us because a few people are sociopathically greedy. It would probably have to come with a threat to implement it "or else".

Considering that our sociopaths in power are producing nukes and traveling into space, I'd say it's only a matter of time before any ET in the possibly effected area tells them to knock off their crap and helps to fix us. Never know who was hanging out on Mars when we got there and is just generally PO'd about things here going there.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Tesla had free power for us, too - look how far that got us. Cancer has had many cures - look how far that got us. Whatever this new free power source is that will take power from the elite - it would have to be something that people can build themselves very cheaply and easily or it will amount to just about as much as anything else that could benefit mankind that has been taken away from us because a few people are sociopathically greedy. It would probably have to come with a threat to implement it "or else".

Considering that our sociopaths in power are producing nukes and traveling into space, I'd say it's only a matter of time before any ET in the possibly effected area tells them to knock off their crap and helps to fix us. Never know who was hanging out on Mars when we got there and is just generally PO'd about things here going there.

Where is Klaatu when we really need him?

It's pretty well accepted that alternative, free energy is available.
But, $$$ call the shots.

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11 years ago

Project Camelot interviews Dr Steven Greer -...

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Kay King

11 years ago

Hey marketers - you are being marketed to!

A film promising to "connect the dots about UFOs" will debut on April 22. Any surprise there are posts and press releases about it now?

"Connecting the dots" is nothing more than providing one person's interpretation of a how a bunch of data relates to "prove" the outcome that person has decided is "truth".

Interesting stuff - but not earth shattering revelations.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Hey marketers - you are being marketed to!

A film promising to "connect the dots about UFOs" will debut on April 22. Any surprise there are posts and press releases about it now?

"Connecting the dots" is nothing more than providing one person's interpretation of a how a bunch of data relates to "prove" the outcome that person has decided is "truth".

Interesting stuff - but not earth shattering revelations.

This film is about more than connecting the dots. It purports to show evidence of a real ET. If it turns out to authentic, I'd say that would qualify as earth shattering.

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Kay King 11 years ago

His own press releases say he will "connect the dots" - I didn't make that up.

I'm not dissing the potential of ET's - I've always said I'd hate to think we are the best the universe has to offer.

When you start with someone who fully believes in a certain conclusion - you end up with someone who puts "facts" together in a way that proves his preconceived result. Often, facts that don't fit are simply ignored and lacking scientific proof is discounted.

It may be a fascinating film - but I'll pass.
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LarryC

11 years ago

The Sirius movie is now on YouTube, but I don't know for how long. They are charging for it, so it might get taken down. Still haven't even seen it myself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtyq...layer_embedded

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Was it not the great John McEnroe himself who said "You cannot be Sirius"?!
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11 years ago

The film is bunk and all the articles talking about it are PR. The "science" blogs about this "tiny alien-looking humanoid" all point back to other blogs or this film as sources. If you look up "mummified fetus" on Google Images, that's all this is... which is completely consistent with the lack of bone plate fusion in the head, underdeveloped ribs, etc.

Some indie film crew is really good at guerilla marketing. That's the only lesson to be learned from this 'documentary'.

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Kay King 11 years ago

So - just what we expected it to be.....nothing.
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11 years ago

Whatever this may be, it's not a "mummified fetus."

"Now, DNA and other tests suggest the individual was a human and was 6 to 8 years of age when he or she died."

Also, although the researchers want to say it's "human," they also admit:

"The genome sequencing suggested the creature was human, though 9 percent of the genes didn't match up with the reference human genome; the mismatches may be due to various factors, including degradation, artifacts from lab preparation of the specimen or insufficient data."

When scientists are confronted with an anomaly, they try to explain it away. But there's no reason that an ET life form couldn't be very similar to humans --in fact many believers in ETs say this is likely. This may not prove the existence of aliens, but it certainly leaves the possibility open.

Alien-Looking Skeleton Poses Medical Mystery : Discovery News

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The film is bunk and all the articles talking about it are PR. The "science" blogs about this "tiny alien-looking humanoid" all point back to other blogs or this film as sources. If you look up "mummified fetus" on Google Images, that's all this is... which is completely consistent with the lack of bone plate fusion in the head, underdeveloped ribs, etc.

Some indie film crew is really good at guerilla marketing. That's the only lesson to be learned from this 'documentary'.

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Kay King 11 years ago

When scientists are confronted with an anomaly, they try to explain it away.

That is not true. Scientists know and accept that anomalies exist. They try to learn what causes an anomaly and how to re-create or prevent it from happening.

What they DON'T do is "explain it away" by fitting it into a story they've concocted or a legend they've bought into. They explain what might have caused the results of the study to be as they are.

It's funny when people say "it looks like an alien" - our view of what an "alien" looks like is straight out of Hollywood....
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Dan Grossman 11 years ago

Originally Posted by LarryC

Whatever this may be, it's not a "mummified fetus."

Yes, it is.

Here's your "alien"/"8 year old":

Here's a mummified human fetus:

Some more mummified fetuses:

I asked a doctor friend when these stupid-ass news stories written by the PR department of the documentary came out. "Yeah, looks like a fetus about 25 weeks old".

The quotes you're using to rebut this are... from the documentary it's promoting!
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  I am just listening to the Citizen's hearing on UFO disclosure, listening to day 2 at the moment. The incident which is being discussed is the Rendlesham Forest/Bentwaters case from 1980 where a UFO landed in the woods close to an American Air Base, two men from the base actually come upon the landed UFO and physically touched the craft which was there for about 45 minutes before it took off... two nights later another UFO appeared at the base and shone some sort of red beams into the missile silo's positioned on the base. This was witnessed by multiple people on and off base. This case is described as the 'UK Roswell'. The military witnesses are giving there evidence and experience of this event...
  
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LarryC

11 years ago

<< I asked a doctor friend when these stupid-ass news stories written by the PR department of the documentary came out. "Yeah, looks like a fetus about 25 weeks old".

The quotes you're using to rebut this are... from the documentary it's promoting!>>

The quotes are from the site discovery.com and describe actual DNA testing. But if you'd rather believe your doctor friend, that's your choice.

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Dan Grossman

11 years ago

Originally Posted by LarryC

The quotes are from the site discovery.com and describe actual DNA testing. But if you'd rather believe your doctor friend, that's your choice.

That article is quoting the documentary and the researcher in it, no other sources, and doesn't say what you think it says. You're ignoring all the parts that say "this is just a fetus", while accepting the parts that say "if we ignore the fact that it's obviously a fetus, and that DNA does not tell you age, and that there are no genetic markers in this poor DNA sample to say this isn't a fetus, then we might say it's an 8 year old instead anyway, because it's my movie and I'm going to say it's an 8 year old to sell it".

Hey look, he says it's just a human and that the age is fabricated:

there is a real discrepancy in how we account for the apparent age of the bones … every nucleotide I've been able to look at is human

Hey look, he describes a fetus (all 12 ribs do not develop at once, the floating ribs form later), but can't seem to think up a reason why:

for instance it had just 10 ribs as opposed to 12 in a healthy human

And look, the article you read outright says it's just a damned fetus:

its size suggested a preterm fetus

Yes, it's a fetus only 2 months along the pregnancy:

The remains also showed skull deformities and mild underdevelopment of the mid-face and jaw, the researchers found. The skull also showed signs of turricephaly, or high-head syndrome, a birth defect in which the top of the skull is cone-shaped.

And lo, it looks just like every other photo of a mummified human fetus, because that's what it is!

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Claude Whitacre

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Grossman

That article is quoting the documentary and the researcher in it, no other sources, and doesn't say what you think it says. You're ignoring all the parts that say "this is just a fetus", while accepting the parts that say "if we ignore the fact that it's obviously a fetus, and that DNA does not tell you age, and that there are no genetic markers in this poor DNA sample to say this isn't a fetus, then we might say it's an 8 year old instead anyway, because it's my movie and I'm going to say it's an 8 year old to sell it".

Hey look, he says it's just a human and that the age is fabricated:

Hey look, he describes a fetus (before the last 2 ribs develop), but can't seem to think up a reason why:

And look, the article you read outright says it's just a damned fetus:

Yes, it's only about 2 months along the pregnancy:

Dan; I applaud your effort. I've followed your posts on this subject and they are informative. But you do know you are fighting an impossible battle, don't you?

When evidence and imagination clash, imagination wins...always.

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LarryC

11 years ago

I would say at this point that we don't know what this "alien" is. People can keep repeating that it's a fetus, even though there is evidence that suggests it was 6 years old or more when it died.

Does this mean it was an alien? Not necessarily, but scientists still haven't been able to explain why the genes aren't 100% "human."

<< When evidence and imagination clash, imagination wins...always.>>

Not always, as many people are utterly lacking in imagination. They will stubbornly cling to "facts" that conform to the prevalent paradigm. More than anything else, they fear being wrong or looking silly. They won't admit the possibility of something new until a trusted authority tells them it's safe to do so. Then they'll try to pretend that they never doubted it.

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -Arthur Schopenhauer

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Kay King 11 years ago

It's true - some people are lacking in imagination...and some have far too much imagination.

Most of us are somewhere in between.

I would be more likely to attribute the 9% to a compromised or contaminated subject than to proof of aliens. The beauty of a study where the results are not clearly black/white or yes/no - is the ability to interpret any way you please.

Most of us believe life exists elsewhere in the universe - we just don't buy into this as "proof" of anything.
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Claude Whitacre

11 years ago

Originally Posted by LarryC

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -Arthur Schopenhauer

The same thing happens with imaginary "facts". All religions have gone through the same thing. And religions require no evidence whatsoever. In fact, if they had evidence...it would be science.

I talk to intelligent people daily that believe the most nonsensical things. Why? Because they are "Self-Evident". In discussions, when I ask someone why they think a certain way, and they say it's "self evident" or "Obvious"....sometimes it means they know more than I do, but sometimes it means that they have no real rational argument.

Originally Posted by LarryC

Not always, as many people are utterly lacking in imagination. They will stubbornly cling to "facts" that conform to the prevalent paradigm. More than anything else, they fear being wrong or looking silly. They won't admit the possibility of something new until a trusted authority tells them it's safe to do so. Then they'll try to pretend that they never doubted it.

I agree 100% with this. Depending on Authority, Peer Pressure, and going along with the majority are all logical traps that many fall into. In fact, it's the way our brains are wired.

That's why we succumb to them, they are invisible to us.

But another trap is believing something because we want to. "Starting with a belief, and then seeking out evidence to support it" is bad reasoning. In fact, it's not reasoning at all.

And it's rare that someone sees themselves doing it.

Just a thought.

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HeySal

11 years ago

Originally Posted by LarryC

<snip> as many people are utterly lacking in imagination. They will stubbornly cling to "facts" that conform to the prevalent paradigm. More than anything else, they fear being wrong or looking silly. They won't admit the possibility of something new until a trusted authority tells them it's safe to do so. Then they'll try to pretend that they never doubted it.

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -Arthur Schopenhauer

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

The same thing happens with imaginary "facts". All religions have gone through the same thing. And religions require no evidence whatsoever. In fact, if they had evidence...it would be science.

I talk to intelligent people daily that believe the most nonsensical things. Why? Because they are "Self-Evident". In discussions, when I ask someone why they think a certain way, and they say it's "self evident" or "Obvious"....sometimes it means they know more than I do, but sometimes it means that they have no real rational argument.

I agree 100% with this. Depending on Authority, Peer Pressure, and going along with the majority are all logical traps that many fall into. In fact, it's the way our brains are wired.

That's why we succumb to them, they are invisible to us.

But another trap is believing something because we want to. "Starting with a belief, and then seeking out evidence to support it" is bad reasoning. In fact, it's not reasoning at all.

And it's rare that someone sees themselves doing it.

Just a thought.

This is sooooo spot on - both of you. If people understood how easy it is to program the average person's mind, they'd lock themselves in a closet.

If a social norm can be installed deeply enough, people will literally go into different stages of mental meltdown if that norm is threatened. Slip programming is programming that is done so simply that by the time a kid is in 6th grade they are usually under complete control of someone else - religious or gov leader. You can tell when someone has been slip programmed because they go off like an air-raid siren any time you hit a target idea/keyword -- even if what you are saying has no real significance to any ideology at all. Thought stops - discussion is impossible - they will insist you are an idiot or even that you are a DANGEROUS idiot. Logic ceases to exist in any way shape or form. You hit that target and that is all that matters, the insults start. If the target is central enough to that person's security system, they may even get violent on you because this program hits people at the level of instinct - actual physical chemical release when the target is hit, and it sends them straight into fight or flight mode.

Frankly - it takes a higher than average IQ, a mind that regularly uses both right and left brain cognitive functions, and/or a very formal education in the science of logic to be able to avoid being slip programmed, so the masses can be easily controlled by simply keeping them out of formal education in logic.

In the matter of ETs - you have all sorts of issues that most people are going to fight because of 1. it goes against programmed religious dogma, so is therefore a tinfoil screamer issue. 2. It violates science as we know it so might be amusing science fiction but can't be real. 3. Denial by "authority" figures. 4. Plain outright fear.

I think over the years the general population has let go of severely strict religious dogmas that disallow them to even consider ETs. Science has advanced to a point that the idea of alien species being able to time/space travel without difficulty isn't as incredible to the average person as it once was. The general population, however, has not yet gotten a handle on how absolutely controlling and devious "authorities" can be.

Because our new technology now includes a lot of ways to bend our senses, it is harder than ever to be able to watch a video and take anything as real, too. About the only thing we can do in this case is to use the logic that considering the rank of the people who this guy has gathered as an audience, the subject matter is pretty important. Those guys wouldn't take kindly to being pulled into a room to listen to a hoax and have the authority to do something about such a prank.

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Claude Whitacre

11 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Frankly - it takes a higher than average IQ, a mind that regularly uses both right and left brain cognitive functions, and/or a very formal education in the science of logic to be able to avoid being slip programmed, so the masses can be easily controlled by simply keeping them out of formal education in logic.

I'm not even sure intelligence is a factor. I know several highly intelligent people who still have the most inane beliefs. I think these beliefs are part of their hard wiring, and they can't see them as beliefs anymore.

A science education helps. A grasp of the laws of physics helps, I think.
But I agree that the most important thing to know is how to think logically.

Guides to Straight Thinking, With 13 Common Fallacies. by Stuart Chase was a book that explained the structure and traps of bad arguments and the structure of a good argument. I recommend it, but it's expensive on Amazon.

Most of my adult life, I've spent looking at what I think and how I arrive at conclusions. It's very difficult to see a treasured belief with a critical eye.

A favorite quote I've read is "You can't read the label from inside the bottle".
In other words, stand outside yourself and dispassionately analyze what you think. Hard to do, and it isn't much fun.

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HeySal

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

I'm not even sure intelligence is a factor. I know several highly intelligent people who still have the most inane beliefs. I think these beliefs are part of their hard wiring, and they can't see them as beliefs anymore.

A science education helps. A grasp of the laws of physics helps, I think.
But I agree that the most important thing to know is how to think logically.

Guides to Straight Thinking, With 13 Common Fallacies. by Stuart Chase was a book that explained the structure and traps of bad arguments and the structure of a good argument. I recommend it, but it's expensive on Amazon.

Most of my adult life, I've spent looking at what I think and how I arrive at conclusions. It's very difficult to see a treasured belief with a critical eye.

A favorite quote I've read is "You can't read the label from inside the bottle".
In other words, stand outside yourself and dispassionately analyze what you think. Hard to do, and it isn't much fun.

Logic lets you build the treasured belief because it has validity - you're supposed to do the thinking first, and adapt the belief on it's truth or validity value - not visa versa.

Chase sounds familiar. He might have authored one of my textbooks - or maybe was just cited in one or two of them. Then again - I might just be thinking of Chevy.

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LarryC

11 years ago

<< Most of us believe life exists elsewhere in the universe - we just don't buy into this as "proof" of anything. >>

I wouldn't say it's proof at this point either. This is just another piece of evidence that is, so far, inconclusive.

<< But another trap is believing something because we want to. "Starting with a belief, and then seeking out evidence to support it" is bad reasoning. In fact, it's not reasoning at all. >>

That's true, which is why I try to believe as little as possible. There's very little we can be certain of in this world.

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LarryC

11 years ago

Logic and objective thinking can only take you so far. They are useful for everyday life, and I'm not saying we should believe things that are blatantly illogical. But there are dimensions beyond logic as well. Didn't even Einstein say that imagination is more important than logic?

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by LarryC

Didn't even Einstein say that imagination is more important than logic?

Larry; Yes, and it's true. Imagination is necessary for planning, forecasting results, language, and math. (Much more, too)

But reason is what shows us if something is real or not.

Imagination is the clay that we use to visualize wonderful ideas. All ideas come from our imagination.

But reason is the knife that shapes the clay into art. Imagination comes first, then reason.

The scientific method uses a hypothesis first (Imagination), but then tests to see if he hypothesis is real. That's reason and logic.

Imagination without logic gives us dreams and fairy tales.

Einstein used his extraordinary imagination to visualize his theories. But he also spent far more time testing those ideas. And almost all of them held up until today. All that math you see on blackboards in the background of photos of Einstein? That's pure uncontaminated logic.

Anyway, I hope someone gets something out of these little discussions.

"Dimensions beyond logic"? That sounds like the beginning of wanting to believe something.
If something is in opposition to real logic and reason...that means it isn't true.

And again, I'm not going to change anyone's mind here. But it's kind of fun.

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tagiscom

11 years ago

In the matter of ETs - you have all sorts of issues that most people are going to fight because of 1. it goes against programmed religious dogma, so is therefore a tinfoil screamer issue. 2. It violates science as we know it so might be amusing science fiction but can't be real. 3. Denial by "authority" figures. 4. Plain outright fear.

I think over the years the general population has let go of severely strict religious dogmas that disallow them to even consider ETs. Science has advanced to a point that the idea of alien species being able to time/space travel without difficulty isn't as incredible to the average person as it once was. The general population, however, has not yet gotten a handle on how absolutely controlling and devious "authorities" can be.

Yep, l have had a few discussions with intelligent people about what followed the Apollo astronauts on most of their frights, (probably the most concrete UFO event) and eventhough it looks like a shuttle from a Sci Fi movie, and has a windscreen and is moving from side to side, and is traveling with the Apollo space module, l get this crap...

I don't know what it is, or it could be anything????

True it could be anything, but it is a bit like saying when a car in the distance is moving from one side of the road to the other, and has a front windscreen, it is very likely a car, with some intelligence inside controlling it!!!!

Remember the first one followed them in 1969, very unlikely the Russians staged this, and it was under remote control!

So eventhough the evidence strongly suggests, that this is most likely a classic UFO, as you are saying Heysal, fear, and other constructs get in the way!

Yep, a believer sees a UFO on his roof, and thinks, cool where is my camera.

A skeptic sees a UFO, on his roof and thinks, where are the cameras!

If belief systems are deep enough, then stupidity ensues, and balanced reasoning gets thrown out the window!

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whateverpedia 11 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

If belief systems are deep enough, then stupidity ensues, and balanced reasoning gets thrown out the window!

In a nutshell, that explains this thread to a tee.
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LarryC

11 years ago

Aside from the Sirius movie, there has recently been the Citizen Hearing on Disclosure, where many researchers and witnesses have testified. The following, which I believe is from this event, shows Paul Hellyer, a Canadian politician discussing, in a perfectly matter-of-fact way, the active involvement of ETs in the U.S. government today:

2 Living ETs Working with US Government on Vimeo

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