Do you play the lotto with a lottery system?

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Hi all,

The lotto bug is beginning to kick in, with some jackpots up for grabs this week in Australia, it has got me curious.

My suspicions tell me lotto systems are like gambling systems, a way to play and not a sure fire way to win.

Has anyone been successful or just play lotto for fun?

Cheers.
  • Profile picture of the author Newbieee
    There is no such thing as sure win.

    Lottery is 100% gambling.

    Period. Simple as that.

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    • Profile picture of the author RonnyLu
      Originally Posted by Newbieee View Post

      There is no such thing as sure win.

      Lottery is 100% gambling.

      Period. Simple as that.

      Hello, All!

      I may say, you are absolutely right! we don't know if we win or not for sure but we a hope.
      I think we have some luck too.
      Some days ago I tried my luck in Australian lotteries. I played once, and now I am always checking the Australian Lotto results on one website and I am looking forward to watching my lucky numbers there.
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  • Profile picture of the author ronrule
    Lotteries are a tax on the poor - don't waste your time.

    I know people (idiots) who have literally spent $100 per month on lottery tickets for the last 20 years. Know what they have to show for it? Nothing. $24,000 gone.

    If they had put the same money into growth stock mutual funds, they would have $96,838.48 based on the stock market average.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Years ago, my Dad played the lottery at about a $50 a week clip. He wrote down all the numbers, tried to find a pattern, and wasted tens of thousands of dollars.

      One day I told him "Dad, I have found the ultimate system. I've been using it for years and it's made me many thousands of dollars"

      Of course, he wanted to know what my system was...
      I said; "I don't play".

      Think of this; 50% of what is taken in, is paid out. Only 50%. Making it the single worst bet in all of gambling.
      Yeah, it's a tax on the uninformed. That's the nicest way I can put it.

      And there is no system. The numbers are completely random. There is no pattern.
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      • Profile picture of the author Newbieee
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post


        And there is no system. The numbers are completely random. There is no pattern.
        Yup, amen to that!

        If today the number "x" came out, the next draw date will have the exact same chance of the number "x" coming out again.
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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
          Yep, spent months scouring over numbers, and years on and off, and in a nutshell there aren't any fool proof systems, but there are ones that can improve your chances.

          But the amount of time and probability is still crap!!!!

          Ok, if you are going to bet no matter what, then do this, bet on Tattslotto, (Sat) then fill about 10.5 game cards with, the pattern 1,2,3,4,5,6 then next one, 1,2,3,7,8,9.

          Obviously if you did, 123456, then 123457, it would take 13 million games. This way you are covering a clump of 3 numbers with all other 3 number clumps.

          And of course you need to randomly assign a number with this pattern...

          So 1 - 45, 2 - 35, etc.

          This is probably the best system, l could find, and it would cost you about $15 a week, if l remember correctly, and you would have a chance of winning div, 1 or 2 every 30 years, (l have extensively run more than 30 years worth of Tatts, numbers against this).

          But of course if you are unlucky, and after playing for lets say 23 years, and lets say $2400 a year, (which is for example roughly $50.000) and one of the numbers that could have won you the big one, is a supp, then you will get back $1,500 div 3.


          The beauty of this one is you are guaranteed all the winning numbers every time you play, but as you can see above, it is still a dog with fleas, there are just less fleas!


          You can waste a lot of time and money trying to find the best system available, not taking into account intuition, l believe that overall this is the best.

          Compare that with IM, whereby someone typically hits the jackpot after slaving away for 5 to 7 years, (usually 5) and benefits people in the meantime. I have to admit that it takes more time and probably money than the Tatts system. but overall you will be better off!

          Good luck!

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            • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
              Originally Posted by mariyajohnson02 View Post

              Some solid Advice thanks
              Welcome, and remember that it is 123456, 123789, until you can't do any more then it is 456789, 456,10,11,12, etc!

              Until the top numbers cannot be done with bottom numbers any more!

              But as l said, 30 years and $50,000 for a couple of million, (not taking into account too many supps, and/or too many people winning) not very good odd's in my book!

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                • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                  Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                  Number, schmumbers....bumping old threads is a sign of boredom. Find something better to do! ...then let me know what you find as I'm bored today.
                  Gee, and l had my Snail Stampede video all ready to go, sniff!

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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by mariyajohnson02 View Post

              Some solid Advice thanks
              If I only had a nickel for every time someone said that to Shane.
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      • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Years ago, my Dad played the lottery at about a $50 a week clip. He wrote down all the numbers, tried to find a pattern, and wasted tens of thousands of dollars.

        One day I told him "Dad, I have found the ultimate system. I've been using it for years and it's made me many thousands of dollars"

        Of course, he wanted to know what my system was...
        I said; "I don't play".
        Surely not the same person who advised you of the life lesson to "get better at the game"?


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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

          Surely not the same person who advised you of the life lesson to "get better at the game"?


          Daniel
          Yup.

          And like just about everyone on the planet, he had a good sense of reality about some things, and was oblivious to others.

          He was smarter than most, and treated people fairly. I think I got a pretty good deal.
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    • Profile picture of the author OgleDirect
      Originally Posted by ronrule View Post

      Lotteries are a tax on the poor - don't waste your time.

      I know people (idiots) who have literally spent $100 per month on lottery tickets for the last 20 years. Know what they have to show for it? Nothing. $24,000 gone.

      If they had put the same money into growth stock mutual funds, they would have $96,838.48 based on the stock market average.
      I would rather play the lotto. At-least you have a chance to win. Put your money in the stockmarket and the banks will steal all of your money.
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      • Profile picture of the author ronrule
        Originally Posted by OgleDirect View Post

        I would rather play the lotto. At-least you have a chance to win. Put your money in the stockmarket and the banks will steal all of your money.
        The stock market average is 11.8%. You can still double your money every five years with growth stock mutual funds.

        Whoever is giving you your investment advice should be fired.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by ronrule View Post

          The stock market average is 11.8%. You can still double your money every five years with growth stock mutual funds.

          Whoever is giving you your investment advice should be fired.
          Ron, Ron, Ron....You obviously don't know anything about investing.

          First, play the lottery. Then with the 50% of the amount played that actually goes into a pool...you can depend on the best strategy for making money, random chance.

          And remember, give your money to wall street, and the banks will take it all.

          Now....how it gets from wall street to the banks? I haven't figured that out yet. Plus, I think getting investment advice from people making money is a mistake. Name one person that ever made money by investing in the stock market! Just one!

          See? My logic is bulletproof.

          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          Compare that with IM, whereby someone typically hits the jackpot after slaving away for 5 to 7 years, (usually 5) and benefits people in the meantime. I have to admit that it takes more time and probably money than the Tatts system. but overall you will be better off!

          Good luck!

          Shane
          Shane; Do you know who really loves people with a foolproof system for winning? The Lottery. You know who else welcomes anyone with a proven foolproof system for winning? Any casino in Las Vegas.

          But man, I know believing these things is Fun.
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    Some solid advice, thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author OgleDirect
    Here is a tip for everyone. All numbers have an equal chance of coming up. There is no strategy to winning. To win you need to either be lucky or have a time machine. The problem with a time machine is you might change something in the Universe and when you come back the numbers are something else. Do not try to time travel. You might **** with the laws of physics.
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  • Profile picture of the author loops55
    There are many e-books on lottery systems and none of them works. Lottery is pure luck, and gambling is not, some games require skill.
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    • Profile picture of the author hardraysnight
      i play lotto twice a week

      total expenditure $21

      it is fun and i have won a few

      if the worst thing you do in your life is spend $10 a week on lotto, you are not doing too bad

      i take numbers handed down from my grandfather
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        There are many e-books on lottery systems and none of them works. Lottery is pure luck, and gambling is not, some games require skill.
        Arrrrggggg, l am getting sick of these remarks that all numbers are randomly drawn over time!!!!!

        That is nonsense, l have researched this to death, as well as related games, and can honestly tell everyone here there are patterns!

        It is exactly like driving down to the shopping centre and finding 7 silver cars parked together! If random was random, then this occurrence and similar occurrences wouldn't exist, but it does.

        Same is true for Roulette, and Tatts, etc, but trying to capitalize on a pattern or clump, as l like to call them, is easier said than done!


        It is similar to the stock market, find an area that is profitable and by the time you realize it it may be over, or it may go for a short while, so luck is a main part, but randomly drawn numbers with multiple occurrences, or patterns are real!

        That is why l believe my system is the best, as it removes the luck involved in trying to get all the drawn numbers, and increases you odd's of getting enough winning numbers in a single game to get something back!

        I should also mention that my system allows you to win div, 4,5, and occasionally 3, more often than a random drawl.


        As for the stockmarket my Mother has made an income from it for the last 15 years, and eventhough profits are a little slim at present, they are still there, although putting everything into a bank since 2008, would have been a better idea!


        Interesting thing about Roulette is if you sat down at a table with a few thousand, and stayed there for 24 hours, you should break even!

        And no, l didn't' do this just get a couple of hours of stats, to extrapolate the break even point!

        Shane :rolleyes:

        PS And for the record, higher numbers in Tatts, occur more often than lower, so people using their birthdays, are at a slight disadvantage! Probably take you 33 years to win the big one instead of 30, and you would end up with less, more winners?

        Another dog, another flea!:rolleyes:
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        • Profile picture of the author ronrule
          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          Arrrrggggg, l am getting sick of these remarks that all numbers are randomly drawn over time!!!!!

          That is nonsense, l have researched this to death, as well as related games, and can honestly tell everyone here there are patterns!
          Dude ... selection is made from plastic balls in an air tube. There is no pattern.

          I picture your bedroom must look something like this:

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          • Profile picture of the author Newbieee
            Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

            Arrrrggggg, l am getting sick of these remarks that all numbers are randomly drawn over time!!!!!

            That is nonsense, l have researched this to death, as well as related games, and can honestly tell everyone here there are patterns!

            Okay lets give it to you that there are patterns.

            How much edge does it give you?

            Is it enough to make you win profits?

            I highly doubt.

            Lets take for example 1 of the examples u mentioned.
            Roulette.

            If you played straight up, the payout is 1:36.
            Your chances are 2.7%.

            Lets take out house edge.
            Your chances are 2.77%

            Now if u use patterns, how much can u raise that to?
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          That is nonsense, l have researched this to death, as well as related games, and can honestly tell everyone here there are patterns!

          It is exactly like driving down to the shopping centre and finding 7 silver cars parked together! If random was random, then this occurrence and similar occurrences wouldn't exist, but it does.

          Same is true for Roulette, and Tatts, etc, but trying to capitalize on a pattern or clump, as l like to call them, is easier said than done!
          Shane; If there were patterns in gambling (Not Poker or blackjack), then some system would work...eventually...for someone. And Casinos would be at the mercy of these geniuses.

          You see patterns because that's the way our brains are wired....to see patterns. But in the lottery, roulette, and any game where you are not in control of the results....the numbers are random, and they always favor the house...always.

          Think. Why hasn't someone won the lottery (not small pots of a few hundred dollars) let's say 5 times? Hasn't someone implemented a system?

          What about roulette? Isn't there someone who plays every day and makes a living? Somewhere? Yes, the casinos make money. Every day.

          Search the internet...try to find a story of one person anywhere...that makes a living playing roulette. I don't mean one big win...I mean daily play that consistently wins.

          I know this is frustrating for you, and I can tell by your posts, that I can't change your mind.......but for some reason, I'm giving it a shot.

          And gambling books that teach proven systems? You can buy them at casinos. Casinos love system gamblers.

          In roulette (I'm only using this game because it was brought up), the numbers that came up before your spin have nothing to do with the result you will get.
          The same with the lottery. Past results do not influence future results.

          One day, my dad was adding up the winning lottery numbers, trying to find a pattern. I told him "If you add up all the columns and divide by the number of winning numbers listed. Every number will be either 21, 22, or 23. Most being 22."

          So he added them up, and divided by the number in the list. Yup, those were the results. He got a strange look on his face and said "How did you do that?"

          The look on his face almost made me cry, because I realized I was about to attack one of his beliefs. And I was raised to believe that kids should never say that their "elders" were wrong.

          I said "The numbers are perfectly random. There are 44 possible numbers that could come up. The average of those numbers is 22. Eventually all the numbers across will perfectly equal 22. But you only had a couple hundred listed...so there was a little variance."

          That was it. A few minutes later he said "You were right. I won't play again". And he didn't. He was a hard working blue collar guy, who couldn't afford the fantasy that gambling gives.

          My son has spent the last couple of years as a professional poker player. He goes to Las Vegas several times a year, and stays for a month. He never gambles. To him, it's all math. And you can't make a living betting against casinos.

          I asked him his secret to winning at poker. He said "I sleep during the day, I don't play until midnight, and I don't drink". So he is taking advantage of very tired drunk players.

          Never bet against the laws of physics or casinos.
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          • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
            Dude ... selection is made from plastic balls in an air tube. There is no pattern.

            I picture your bedroom must look something like this:
            Ok, l think l get what you are saying is that the balls are not influenced by anything, so they are random, which is fair enough, but for this thread, finding something that gives us any heads up, is worth looking into!

            This is really getting into Chaos Theory, a waterfall looks totally random, but it has to have certain recurring patterns in order to exist!

            And no, my bedroom doesn't look like that, l researched this probably a good 10 years ago, so eventhough l am no mathematician, l tend to think that l am a bit of an expert on this sort of thing.


            someone. And Casinos would be at the mercy of these geniuses.

            You see patterns because that's the way our brains are wired....to see patterns. But in the lottery, roulette, and any game where you are not in control of the results....the numbers are random, and they always favor the house...always.

            Think. Why hasn't someone won the lottery (not small pots of a few hundred dollars) let's say 5 times? Hasn't someone implemented a system?

            What about roulette? Isn't there someone who plays every day and makes a living? Somewhere? Yes, the casinos make money. Every day.

            Search the internet...try to find a story of one person anywhere...that makes a living playing roulette. I don't mean one big win...I mean daily play that consistently wins.

            I know this is frustrating for you, and I can tell by your posts, that I can't change your mind.......but for some reason, I'm giving it a shot.

            And gambling books that teach proven systems? You can buy them at casinos. Casinos love system gamblers.

            In roulette (I'm only using this game because it was brought up), the numbers that came up before your spin have nothing to do with the result you will get.
            The same with the lottery. Past results do not influence future results.

            One day, my dad was adding up the winning lottery numbers, trying to find a pattern. I told him "If you add up all the columns and divide by the number of winning numbers listed. Every number will be either 21, 22, or 23. Most being 22."

            So he added them up, and divided by the number in the list. Yup, those were the results. He got a strange look on his face and said "How did you do that?"

            The look on his face almost made me cry, because I realized I was about to attack one of his beliefs. And I was raised to believe that kids should never say that their "elders" were wrong.

            I said "The numbers are perfectly random. There are 44 possible numbers that could come up. The average of those numbers is 22. Eventually all the numbers across will perfectly equal 22. But you only had a couple hundred listed...so there was a little variance."

            That was it. A few minutes later he said "You were right. I won't play again". And he didn't. He was a hard working blue collar guy, who couldn't afford the fantasy that gambling gives.

            My son has spent the last couple of years as a professional poker player. He goes to Las Vegas several times a year, and stays for a month. He never gambles. To him, it's all math. And you can't make a living betting against casinos.

            I asked him his secret to winning at poker. He said "I sleep during the day, I don't play until midnight, and I don't drink". So he is taking advantage of very tired drunk players.
            Search the internet...try to find a story of one person anywhere...that makes a living playing roulette. I don't mean one big win...I mean daily play that consistently wins.
            I understand the belief system thing, but l am going with solid research, not hope and prey thinking, besides my IM, side of the business is on the verge of taking off, so this is more of a fascination, than anything else!


            As for individuals l haven't met one on a personal level, but l know of one, who very likely makes an extra couple of thousand a week with a Roulette advantage!


            I was standing near a Roulette table, and someone, after pausing for a half a second placed a $50 chip on an outside square, (the one that gives you twice what you wagered), the ball was spinning when he did this.

            And he showed little emotion while he did this, like he already knew he won, which he did, and while the table of people went wow, he snatched the $100 win and quickly left!

            Intuition is very powerful, but you need the right mind set and have a steel trap mind in order to do it professionally. I spent years fooling around with it and eventhough l got some impressive results, (way beyond dumb luck) it is very hard to get a handle on.


            The catch is if you expect to win it wont work, and if you don't care, it will. Unless deep down, you know it will work, then it won't. Tricking yourself into winning, can work, but only once.

            So, you can see, if you are desperate for money, forget it. But if you are already fairly well off, and don't care about the winnings, then making a nice side income is probably possible.


            And l did try a system in Tatts, whereby l picked the 3 lower levels of numbers, and the top ones where all numbers in a clump. So the first 3 rows, with 15 numbers that should have the winning ones in them.

            Didn't do too badly with it, l spent about $25 and got $25 back.

            That's why l have shelved all this, far more constructive and higher odd's of producing a profitable IM business than, shuffling money around, trying to out game the casinos!

            Shane

            PS, Casinos know about how effective intuition is, that is why they wave their hands around for no apparent reason at the Blackjack table. Messes up intuitive impressions, as whether the cards are high or low!


            Okay lets give it to you that there are patterns.

            How much edge does it give you?

            Is it enough to make you win profits?

            I highly doubt.

            Lets take for example 1 of the examples u mentioned.
            Roulette.

            If you played straight up, the payout is 1:36.
            Your chances are 2.7%.

            Lets take out house edge.
            Your chances are 2.77%

            Now if u use patterns, how much can u raise that to?
            It, doesn't give you much of any edge in Tatts, but other forms of gambling???? :rolleyes:

            As for Roulette, systems as you have shown will never work, and the house always wins, but intuition, gives you better odd's? :rolleyes:

            And before anyone here gets excited sells their house and puts the lot on a high rollers Roulette table, apart from a suitable 5 letter word coming to mind, l am not endorsing, gambling, or will not carry any responsibility for others actions.

            I would rather recommend creating a product over this sort of thing any day!
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

              I was standing near a Roulette table, and someone, after pausing for a half a second placed a $50 chip on an outside square, (the one that gives you twice what you wagered), the ball was spinning when he did this.

              And he showed little emotion while he did this, like he already knew he won, which he did, and while the table of people went wow, he snatched the $100 win and quickly left!
              Shane; You seem like a nice young man. And you have taken these posts in stride. Do you think this guy influenced the outcome with his brain?

              Do you think he somehow knew what the result would be?

              You saw one instance. That isn't a pattern and isn't a trend. Believe me, casinos love "Intuition" betters too. Why? because it doesn't matter to them if you depend on a lucky charm, prayer, a system, intuition, precognition, telekinesis, or anything else you can think of. The odds are exactly the same. At the end of the day, the numbers never change. The amount taken in VS the amount paid out never changes.

              Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post


              As for individuals l haven't met one on a personal level, but l know of one, who very likely makes an extra couple of thousand a week with a Roulette advantage!

              I was standing near a Roulette table, and someone, after pausing for a half a second placed a $50 chip on an outside square, (the one that gives you twice what you wagered), the ball was spinning when he did this.

              And he showed little emotion while he did this, like he already knew he won, which he did, and while the table of people went wow, he snatched the $100 win and quickly left!

              Intuition is very powerful, but you need the right mind set and have a steel trap mind in order to do it professionally. I spent years fooling around with it and eventhough l got some impressive results, (way beyond dumb luck) it is very hard to get a handle on.


              The catch is if you expect to win it wont work, and if you don't care, it will. Unless deep down, you know it will work, then it won't. Tricking yourself into winning, can work, but only once.

              So, you can see, if you are desperate for money, forget it. But if you are already fairly well off, and don't care about the winnings, then making a nice side income is probably possible.

              Shane

              PS, Casinos know about how effective intuition is, that is why they wave their hands around for no apparent reason at the Blackjack table. Messes up intuitive impressions, as whether the cards are high or low!
              Shane; Can you hear yourself? Blackjack dealers wave their hands so the people watching them can see that they have no chips or cards in their hands. And as a signal that no more bets will be taken.

              Every example you are giving is wishful thinking. Just read your post again. You are trying to make the implausible sound plausible. Your brain is tricking you. You have even set up rules about intuition to make it sound like it must be real.

              Again, just find one example (there are 300,000,000 people in the US, certainly there would be ONE example) of someone using a system to consistently win at roulette. One....or someone using intuition to consistently win at roulette.

              I'm sorry, young man. "who very likely", "like he already knew he won", "is very hard to get a handle on", "probably possible"...are things you say when your brain won't let you look too closely at a belief.

              I think I'll let this go now. Again, you are being a good guy about this. I really wish you luck in your IM business.
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              • Profile picture of the author Newbieee
                yup, Shane, dont get this the wrong way.
                I can see from your posts that u're a nice guy.

                So dont take this personal, its just for the sake of debate alright.

                The proof is in the pudding. As the saying goes.
                So can u share with us from 10 years of experience or research, how much money u have spent and how much u have won.
                That would give us a very good statistics too.


                But i think you would agree with me that even if you could increase your chances, it would still not be profitably in the long run. Right?
                [ I always tell people who play the lottery, if they strike 1st price, pls dont buy it anymore. Go buy house (which is an investment too) otherwise u would just be giving ur money back in the long run]
                [even lots of the gambling clickbank products teaches control when playing casino games, if u hit your target for the day, stop. Continue the next day, this is following the concept of losing in the long run. ]

                See, we like to see patterns, we make meaning out of nothing.
                Thats human. We were trained from school to think like this.

                Remember those school test where it goes like this :
                5,10,15,__,25.
                What is the pattern.
                Multiples of 5 right?

                See, but in lottery, the balls may seem to fall into some pattern, but it is purely coincidental and the next draw will have the same chance of continuing the perceived pattern or discontinuing it.

                So even if a pattern formed, u dont know if it will continue.
                So it brings us back to square 1.
                By saying it has higher chance of continuing the pattern you perceived, is the same as saying the balls "know" this pattern and follow this pattern.
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                Blackjack dealers wave their hands so the people watching them can see that they have no chips or cards in their hands. And as a signal that no more bets will be taken.
                Yup you are absolutely right.
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                  Shane; You seem like a nice young man. And you have taken these posts in stride. Do you think this guy influenced the outcome with his brain?

                  Do you think he somehow knew what the result would be?

                  You saw one instance. That isn't a pattern and isn't a trend. Believe me, casinos love "Intuition" betters too. Why? because it doesn't matter to them if you depend on a lucky charm, prayer, a system, intuition, precognition, telekinesis, or anything else you can think of. The odds are exactly the same. At the end of the day, the numbers never change. The amount taken in VS the amount paid out never changes.
                  Well, l have researched this sort of thing for a good 10 to 15 years, and know of a handful that deserve further development, so l need to tipple tie around some of these questions. Although l have given away some hints!

                  Are no, he didn't affect the balls outcome, because just like Tatts everyone else is doing the same thing, so any telekinesis, would be cancelled out!

                  Shane; Can you hear yourself? Blackjack dealers wave their hands so the people watching them can see that they have no chips or cards in their hands. And as a signal that no more bets will be taken.

                  Every example you are giving is wishful thinking. Just read your post again. You are trying to make the implausible sound plausible. Your brain is tricking you. You have even set up rules about intuition to make it sound like it must be real.

                  Again, just find one example (there are 300,000,000 people in the US, certainly there would be ONE example) of someone using a system to consistently win at roulette. One....or someone using intuition to consistently win at roulette.

                  I'm sorry, young man. "who very likely", "like he already knew he won", "is very hard to get a handle on", "probably possible"...are things you say when your brain won't let you look too closely at a belief.

                  I think I'll let this go now. Again, you are being a good guy about this. I really wish you luck in your IM business.
                  Ok, regarding intuition, it isn't reliable, and maybe l am getting myself into a pickle, with the explanation, but in a nutshell, bet something you don't care about losing, it will work well, but try it with your life's savings, forget it, won't work!

                  That it what l was saying before, have plenty of money, and Roulette could be a good erner, try it when you are broke, and you will eventually end up broke again.

                  Or another way of putting it is, you will go there, bet small amonts, and win maybe $30 to $50 at the end of the day. Then go home to your annoying life, and then try again, etc.

                  Eventually as so many other gamblers do, including Blackjack players, they will think, this isn't life changing, l want this to be life changing, so l will go there with all may winnings, do the same thing and just keep scaling up every time.

                  This of course they are outside their comfort zone, but keep telling themselves, that it is the winnings, so it doesn't matter. Then lose that, because their mind won't play ball, because of the amounts wagered, and then in frustration they will think, stuff it l will be what's left plus what l shouldn't spend, lost that, because they are tired and frustrated.

                  Then go home worse off than they were before, etc.


                  As for me being delusional about intuition, no, lm not!!!


                  You only need to google what the military thinks about remote viewers, to realize that this stuff works!


                  I can't get into too many example's, but one is going to a roulette table and winning on the odds and evens 5 times in a row. Going to another table and predicting half a dozen zeros coming up that won me about $80.

                  Of course because of the reasons outlined before, my losses were greater than my winnings, that is why l an not really into this sort of thing any more, far better odds with products.

                  Ironically if l do well online, then l could do better offline!


                  But i think you would agree with me that even if you could increase your chances, it would still not be profitably in the long run. Right?
                  [ I always tell people who play the lottery, if they strike 1st price, pls dont buy it anymore. Go buy house (which is an investment too) otherwise u would just be giving ur money back in the long run]
                  [even lots of the gambling clickbank products teaches control when playing casino games, if u hit your target for the day, stop. Continue the next day, this is following the concept of losing in the long run. ]
                  Yep, that is the crutch, bet when you need it, short or long term you will lose.

                  Bet intuitively, when you don't need it, and you can do far better, or bet at a level that won't make you blow the lot, trying to get ahead!

                  It sucks, but there aren't many ways around it, l know l have tried them all.

                  emember those school test where it goes like this :
                  5,10,15,__,25.
                  What is the pattern.
                  Multiples of 5 right?

                  See, but in lottery, the balls may seem to fall into some pattern, but it is purely coincidental and the next draw will have the same chance of continuing the perceived pattern or discontinuing it.

                  So even if a pattern formed, u dont know if it will continue.
                  So it brings us back to square 1.
                  By saying it has higher chance of continuing the pattern you perceived, is the same as saying the balls "know" this pattern and follow this pattern.
                  Hmmm, yes and no, statisticians, know that if a stockmarktet index peaks twice when it is at a high point, it will most of the time dramatically drop!


                  And patterns in Roulette eventhough random, can still give you a fleeting advantage, but an advantage that is virtually impossible to predict, with mathematical means alone.


                  Intuition is very easy to develop, one options feels warmer than another or more defined or more positive, etc than the other option.


                  But as said before it is an eccentric beast to get a handle on for creating wealth with.


                  Creating something tangible is far better!

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                  • Profile picture of the author Newbieee
                    Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                    Hmmm, yes and no, statisticians, know that if a stockmarktet index peaks twice when it is at a high point, it will most of the time dramatically drop!
                    Hi Shane, again just to continue the friendly debate. [i dont like to get into heated debates. ]

                    I would say you cant compare stock markets or any other live markets for that matter, because they work totally on a different ball game. [no punt intended]

                    In stocks what you are talking about the peaks are technical analysis, and like forex [which i trade] this technical analysis are taught.

                    But that is because there are humans behind it. The market is driven by live human beings and not by chance.
                    So human beings do not behave at random. Human beings behavior can be studied.

                    And in stocks or forex there is also fundamental analysis to back up the technical.

                    So there are factors that will dramatically increase your chance in trading and make INFORMED decisions.

                    Betting on chance is not base on informed decision.
                    There is no technical analysis and no fundamental analysis to go with.

                    Let me give u an example, lets take a normal 1:2 bet.
                    Where u wager 1 and if u win u win 2.
                    So lets call this game big small.

                    Now let me ask you.
                    If this was the history of the outcome...
                    Big, Big, Big, Big, Big, Big, ____
                    What will you most likely bet on?

                    Small right? It is wired in our brains.
                    It cant possibly go on for so long. It will end sooner or later.
                    And it increases the odds of a small that will come out next.

                    This is based on a theory of randomness.
                    But randomness in statistics is explained this way.

                    Over a large amount of statistic, all the outcomes will have the same number of results.
                    Meaning for big/small if you see a results of over millions of outcomes, the number of BIG and SMALL outcomes will be the same.

                    So for a million outcomes, 1/2 will be big and 1/2 will be small.

                    So, if you see Big, Big, Big, Big, Big, Big, ____
                    It may go on for another 100 times for all we know.
                    And even itself out with more smalls over the next millions.

                    So the thing is, you never know how long more it will go on "big".

                    So even with this "technical analysis" if it increased your chances, it is of no significant use at all.

                    Trading forex will be a better use of that money i would say.

                    ps - of cos im bias cos im a trader. But i was into betting like many of us, but ive moved on thank goodness. U can never build a living on betting on chances.

                    Poker is a grey area.
                    Because it is also about studying human psychology and behavior.
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                    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                      Hi Shane, again just to continue the friendly debate. [i dont like to get into heated debates. ]

                      I would say you cant compare stock markets or any other live markets for that matter, because they work totally on a different ball game. [no punt intended]

                      In stocks what you are talking about the peaks are technical analysis, and like forex [which i trade] this technical analysis are taught.

                      But that is because there are humans behind it. The market is driven by live human beings and not by chance.
                      So human beings do not behave at random. Human beings behavior can be studied.

                      And in stocks or forex there is also fundamental analysis to back up the technical.

                      So there are factors that will dramatically increase your chance in trading and make INFORMED decisions.

                      Betting on chance is not base on informed decision.
                      There is no technical analysis and no fundamental analysis to go with.

                      Let me give u an example, lets take a normal 1:2 bet.
                      Where u wager 1 and if u win u win 2.
                      So lets call this game big small.

                      Now let me ask you.
                      If this was the history of the outcome...
                      Big, Big, Big, Big, Big, Big, ____
                      What will you most likely bet on?

                      Small right? It is wired in our brains.
                      It cant possibly go on for so long. It will end sooner or later.
                      And it increases the odds of a small that will come out next.

                      This is based on a theory of randomness.
                      But randomness in statistics is explained this way.

                      Over a large amount of statistic, all the outcomes will have the same number of results.
                      Meaning for big/small if you see a results of over millions of outcomes, the number of BIG and SMALL outcomes will be the same.

                      So for a million outcomes, 1/2 will be big and 1/2 will be small.

                      So, if you see Big, Big, Big, Big, Big, Big, ____
                      It may go on for another 100 times for all we know.
                      And even itself out with more smalls over the next millions.

                      So the thing is, you never know how long more it will go on "big".

                      So even with this "technical analysis" if it increased your chances, it is of no significant use at all.

                      Trading forex will be a better use of that money i would say.

                      ps - of cos im bias cos im a trader. But i was into betting like many of us, but ive moved on thank goodness. U can never build a living on betting on chances.
                      Hmmmm, l knew someone would bring that point up, but it was worth a shot! :rolleyes:

                      As for the rest, arrrrhhhhgggg, brings back memories, l spent months scouring through numbers trying to find a pattern like the stock market indications of a collapse, to find the highest recurring straight pattern, but it proved too difficult.

                      Pity, because $5x2=$10, $10x2=$20, $20x2=$40, etc. Highest pattern l could find was l think about 6 or 7 but trying to find a trigger was next to impossible!

                      So it obviously doesn't work with Roulette! And a truck load of other systems included; that is why the Casinos, offer cards for making a list of numbers selected, because they know that no mathematical system exists!

                      Shane


                      I spent close to 20 years working for funds managers and super funds doing spreadsheet modelling on comparisons between different asset sectors** (eg shares, cash, listed property trusts, residential property, etc.), and I can tell you now, despite going up and down like a yo-yo, over a 10, 15, 20, 25, 30 and 40 year period, the stock market has consistently beaten every other sector.***

                      As an exercise, like you, I have also done some modelling on Lotto numbers, horse racing, greyhounds and trotting to determine whether there was a pattern with those. The overwhelming conclusion is that THERE ISN'T A PATTERN AT ALL. A slickpick is as good a bet as any number combination for Lotto, and a bet on the favourite is better than any racing system.

                      However, if enough people believe there is a pattern in Lotto numbers, it may mean that buying shares in Tatts, or Tattersalls as it is correctly known (ASX: TTS), may not be a bad idea**** .
                      Interesting what you said about the stock market, you got me with that one!


                      But as for the last part about about Lotto, horse racing, etc, l am afraid you missed something. Or if you are talking about a purely mathematical system there is one, sorry can't say any more about that. I have already given some suttle hints here and there. but eventhough it produced very promising results, l haven't done long term testing, hence it is on the shelf, but l want the option of developing it further without having to deal with competition. Enough said!

                      And as for systems that involve intuition and mathematical betting strategies, l know of only one, that l wont go into either, since it has a good chance of working and l may decide to develop it further.

                      PS also for anyone wanting to use intuition with online gaming like Roulette, don't bother it doesn't work. Already tried that one ages ago! Although live events, would be better.


                      This thread was about a system with Tatts, and l have given away my best system, or probably the best system there is, but after 15 years on and off, looking into every form of gambling available, l will keep the high value cards close to my chest!

                      But as said before the mathematical system l found could be a dud, short term testing, showed a small profit to break even so it could be a dud, for all l know.

                      The other one l found looks good, but it involves intuition, so!!!! :rolleyes:


                      Far better odd's developing an online business, than this!!!!



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          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          As for the stockmarket my Mother has made an income from it for the last 15 years, and eventhough profits are a little slim at present, they are still there, although putting everything into a bank since 2008, would have been a better idea!
          With all due respect, bollocks.

          Since 2008 (ie 31/12/2008 to 24/4/2013) the All Ordinaries Index has risen 38.94% in total, or 7.92%* per annum. That's just growth in share prices. When you include dividends (ie The All Ordinaries Accumulation Index), the figures are 67.46% total and 12.7% per annum*. The difference between the growth and accumulation figures represents the income stream from the stock market. In this case, it'd be 4.78% per annum.

          If you'd left the money in a cash management account and managed to get the FULL cash rate available (which you wouldn't, since fees would've lowered the rate), since 2008, the average rate of return would be 3.68% per annum.

          So the ASX has provided a better income stream than cash management, AND given capital growth. Your capital doesn't grow in a cash account.

          That also doesn't take into account any franking credits available from dividends, nor does it take into account the tax PAYABLE on interest received.

          The ASX has been a VASTLY SUPERIOR investment to a cash management account, albeit with more volatility.

          I spent close to 20 years working for funds managers and super funds doing spreadsheet modelling on comparisons between different asset sectors** (eg shares, cash, listed property trusts, residential property, etc.), and I can tell you now, despite going up and down like a yo-yo, over a 10, 15, 20, 25, 30 and 40 year period, the stock market has consistently beaten every other sector.***

          As an exercise, like you, I have also done some modelling on Lotto numbers, horse racing, greyhounds and trotting to determine whether there was a pattern with those. The overwhelming conclusion is that THERE ISN'T A PATTERN AT ALL. A slickpick is as good a bet as any number combination for Lotto, and a bet on the favourite (to place, not win - thanks Alexa) is better than any racing system.

          However, if enough people believe there is a pattern in Lotto numbers, it may mean that buying shares in Tatts, or Tattersalls as it is correctly known (ASX: TTS), may not be a bad idea**** .



          * compounding

          ** I still do spreadsheet modelling on a personal level to compare my portfolio's returns to the other sectors.

          *** To be fair, cash was the best asset to hold in calendar year 2008. Not before that though, and definitely not since.

          **** Not to be construed as investment advice.

          Source for ASX figures is The Australian Stock Exchange. Source for interest rates is Reserve Bank Of Australia.
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            a bet on the favourite is better than any racing system.
            Apart from in the race-types in which a bet on the second-favourite is considerably better, in the long run, than a bet on the favourite, of course. ("Just saying").
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              Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

              Apart from in the race-types in which a bet on the second-favourite is considerably better, in the long run, than a bet on the favourite, of course. ("Just saying").
              I'd agree with that, but only for place bets, not wins. Actually I also meant betting on the favourite to place is better than any system, or even betting on it to win. I've edited my original comment to reflect this.
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                I'd agree with that, but only for place bets, not wins.
                I hear you.

                In race-types in which the favourites are habitually overbacked, even win singles on the second/third-favourites can actually show profits, over statistically significant numbers.

                In the UK, to anyone whose account shows a good record, place-betting is more or less available only on the betting exchanges (where the anomalies making it potentially profitable at the bookies don't pertain much, because it's a "genuine free market", albeit with some anomalies of its own, close to the off, when "connections" are sometimes place-laying, if the jockey's instructions were along the lines of "win it if you can, but on no account come second/third". Such betting patterns are by no means unknown here, but can be recognised with practice :p ).
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                  In the UK, to anyone whose account shows a good record, place-betting is more or less available only on the betting exchanges (where the anomalies making it potentially profitable at the bookies don't pertain much, because it's a "genuine free market", albeit with some anomalies of its own, close to the off, when "connections" are sometimes place-laying, if the jockey's instructions were along the lines of "win it if you can, but on no account come second/third". Such betting patterns are by no means unknown here, but can be recognised with practice ).
                  Hmmm, correctly evaluate the true form of all the horses, discard the useless ones, and then adjust all betting amounts on most of the horses, and bet at the last second, so regardless who wins, as long as it is the 10 you picked out of 17, you will win something.

                  Probably a good way to win small amounts, but not really for betting the house on, long shots can still come up?

                  Probably a viable way to win, but you will have a heart attack before you can enjoy it!!!! :rolleyes:

                  Yep favorites come up, about 30% of the time statistically, and long shots, if l remember correctly 5%?

                  But the catch is favorites or the next favorite, usually pays out such a small amount, you have to bet big, etc....different dog, same fleas!

                  Shane

                  If someone handed me $10,000 and said you have to invest this in the next month to create more money, l wouldn't hesitate in investing it online, mainly in subcontracting out product development and saving me some work and time!
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                    favorites come up, about 30% of the time statistically
                    It varies a lot, between different race-types. For some kinds of race, it can even be as high as 40%, overall. The shorter-priced ones do tend to be overbacked by the market, though, and laying them on a betting exchange is probably a better value-proposition than backing them, collectively, especially if (as is often the case) you can lay them to shorter prices than their SP's.
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    There's a reason the Government doesn't let private companies create their own lotteries... because they already know it's a scam.
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      There's a reason the Government doesn't let private companies create their own lotteries... because they already know it's a scam.
      The gov. hates competition....
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      Originally Posted by ronrule View Post

      There's a reason the Government doesn't let private companies create their own lotteries... because they already know it's a scam.
      Actually, in Australia where the OP is from, the lotteries are run by private companies in 2 states (NSW, Victoria).
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        It varies a lot, between different race-types. For some kinds of race, it can even be as high as 40%, overall. The shorter-priced ones do tend to be overbacked by the market, though, and laying them on a betting exchange is probably a better value-proposition than backing them, collectively, especially if (as is often the case) you can lay them to shorter prices than their SP's.
        Yep, interesting, l did find that out of 7 or 8 race venues, that some seemed to have more favorite wins than others. That explains that!


        Actually, in Australia where the OP is from, the lotteries are run by private companies in 2 states (NSW, Victoria).
        Yep, the Victorian office is near, Flagstaff station in Melbourne, l walked past it once, no bigger than a bank, but of course, withdrawals are for a lucky few!

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        Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

        Actually, in Australia where the OP is from, the lotteries are run by private companies in 2 states (NSW, Victoria).
        Yup - PowerBall and OzLotto waiting to go off.
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    Heavily regulated I suspect... in the US it's illegal. As socialentry said, "the government hates competition".
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      yup. Just imagine, if you had the power to stop your competition, wont u do it.

      Governments are in that exact position.
      They can, they will, and so it happens.
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  • Profile picture of the author RichBeck
    I have sure fire system to "win" the lottery....

    Walk to the convenience store, take a $1 bill from you wallet.....

    Place it in your right pocket.....

    Walk home....

    The next morning, look in your right pocket...

    There is a $1 bill... YOU HAVE WON!

    Seriously, I've seen the "systems"..... All but one don't work....

    The one that works....... Brute force.....

    A company waits until the pot reaches in the $20 million dollar or more range....

    They fill out cards with all the possible combinations....

    They hire people to buy the tickets....

    I remember someone asking.... "What if they somehow miss the winning number?"

    The statistics work out they have more than enough other winning tickets to cover the cost....

    In order to use this "winning" method, you'd need millions of dollars and great organization.....

    In Colorado.... 5.25 million dollars plus expenses.....

    Take Care,

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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by richnanne00 View Post

      I don't think its possible to get a lottery system that actually works, there are just under 140,000,000 combinations for the UK lotto alone and only one will get you the jackpot so how can you use a system to guess the correct numbers for a particular draw. Not possible.
      You are ignoring "Reverse Temporal Viewing". This has been proven by the laws of Quantum Physics. What you do, is remember yesterday, and turn around quickly, facing the other way. Now you are looking one day into the future.

      And that's how it's done.
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        You are ignoring "Reverse Temporal Viewing". This has been proven by the laws of Quantum Physics. What you do, is remember yesterday, and turn around quickly, facing the other way. Now you are looking one day into the future.
        I tried this technique. It was all going well until I made the mistake of observing the draw - which changed the outcome. Doh!

        On the plus side, Claude, I thought your 3,000th post was outstanding.


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          Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

          I tried this technique. It was all going well until I made the mistake of observing the draw - which changed the outcome. Doh!

          On the plus side, Claude, I thought your 3,000th post was outstanding.


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          Good to know. I can't wait to read it. :rolleyes:
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    The best strategy is not to play.

    But if you do play, there's a couple of things you can do to improve your "luck".

    People like to pick numbers that are the dates of their own and family birthdays. Because months have 31 days or less, pick numbers 32 and above. This doesn't improve your chances of winning, but it does greatly increase the odds that if you do win, you will share any jackpots with fewer people.

    Only play once the jackpot has reached the point where (in theory) the lotto has a positive expectation. If the odds of winning are 1 in 100 million, wait until the jackpot is more than $100 million for a $1 ticket.

    In theory, you could buy a ticket for all possible combinations and be guaranteed a jackpot winner. Of course, it's possible that you have to share the jackpot with others, but this is somewhat offset by the fact that all non-jackpot winners are not losing tickets.
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      I will chime in with my own experience with the lotto. In the UK (tax free winnings)
      There is the Thunderball, 5 numbers and a bonus ball. 36 numbers used. This was when I was playing it, the top prize was 250k for 5 and the bonus. 5k for 5 numbers, winnings for one number and the bonus.Three or 4 numbers matching also got wins. Not too bad ones either. I think you got a few pounds for matching 2

      Compared to the US cash 5 in TX it was streaks ahead in its combo's and winning amounts. It now uses 37 numbers I believe but the top prize is now 500k. (pounds)

      I used a lottery wheel, physical wheel. It was designed for the six number lotto but I adapted it for the 5 and bonus. You picked 14 numbers out of the 36 and wrote them all on a segment of the wheel. Turning the wheel one segment at a time it hilighted 6 numbers, blocked out the rest, they were your first six, One segment turn the next six until you had done this 18 times. So you had many combinations of the 14 numbers. If you had 3, 4 or 5 or more in the draw you were often in for multipule wins.

      So, your bet was 18 pounds which I shared with one other person. So 9 pounds each.

      Did it for quite a while. You would have a few non wins and then bingo, 300 pounds, 76 pounds, money back. It varied. Bottom line though, we were always ahead. It paid for us to bet twice a week and we were in profit. Did not hit the big one but got to bet for free.

      Did not get rich but not out of pocket. Could have hit though.

      Would you believe though, moved to the States and stopped playing it. My sister bought my mother a quick pick on that lotto and she got 5 numbers, won 5k. :-)
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    Do you play the lotto with a lottery system?
    My system is I pick random numbers then I lose, very consistent results.
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  • Profile picture of the author tracy2
    Well, personally I have no much experience i lottos, but my godfather have won 10k USD last month. He also have success to win a car cpuple of years back. Lucky
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Yep, just read online that some scientist can predict where the Roulette ball will land about 13 times out of 23.

      Using a camera and software to calculate where the ball will land based on air friction, etc.

      Obviously if l went to a Casino with a camera taped to my head, with an ipad program running, it might look a bit suspicious.


      But it does prove, that a Roulette system exists, that will give you a big enough advantage to make consistent profits.


      Well, before you get thrown out!!!! :rolleyes:


      Mud in your eye, Claude! He, he!


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        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        Yep, just read online that some scientist can predict where the Roulette ball will land about 13 times out of 10.

        Using using a camera and software to calculate where the ball will land based on Air friction, etc.

        Obviously if l went to a Casino with a camera taped to my head, with an ipad program running, it might look a bit suspicious.


        But it does prove, that a Roulette system exists, that will give you a bid enough advantage to make consistent profits.


        Well, before you get thrown out!!!! :rolleyes:


        Mud in your eye, Claude! He, he!


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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        Yep, just read online that some scientist can predict where the Roulette ball will land about 13 times out of 23.

        Mud in your eye, Claude! He, he!


        Shane
        Shane; You mean he can predict where the ball will go after the ball is in motion? And after all the bets have been made? Of course. Before the spin is made? No. You need to read, whatever you read, again.
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        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        But it does prove, that a Roulette system exists, that will give you a big enough advantage to make consistent profits.
        The fact that there are no professional roulette players proves, beyond all reasonable doubt, that a roulette system that makes consistent profits doesn't exist.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          You mean this?

          Scientists Beat The House At Roulette With Chaos Theory - Forbes

          If you know where the ball is at point A and point B - you can extrapolate the speed and apply chaos theory to predict where the ball will land. But it wasn't "the number" but "which half of the table the ball would land on".

          Of course, Small adds that, "even if the odds are in your favor, there is still a probability of losing, and losing big. In the long run you would come out ahead but you may first need very deep pockets."


          Don't rejoice too quickly, gamblers. As the researchers note in the paper, "for the casino the news is mostly good--minor adjustments will ameliorate the advantage of the physicist-gambler."
          I've seen roulette dealers hit the same 2-3 numbers over and over - and I've seen managers tell them to "change it up or else".
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            • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
              Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

              The fact that there are no professional roulette players proves, beyond all reasonable doubt, that a roulette system that makes consistent profits doesn't exist.
              I think that if they did, they wouldn't be telling the world about it, otherwise the Casino they go to would give them the boot! :rolleyes:

              Bottom line is "we don't know"?

              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              I read it. The ball still needs to be in motion before the calculation can be made. And you can't place bets after the ball is in motion.

              The article did mention a crooked table. Now, if the table is slightly crooked, you would be able to make predictions with a slight advantage..but only of which side the ball would stop on. Not the number or color.

              A perfectly flat table, would give you no advantage.
              Maybe it is different in the US, but in Australia you can still place bets a few seconds after a ball has been spun, or released by the dealer!


              He, he, l love being right!!!!!!


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              • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                I think that if they did, they wouldn't be telling the world about it, otherwise the Casino they go to would give them the boot! :rolleyes:

                Bottom line is "we don't know"?



                Maybe it is different in the US, but in Australia you can still place bets a few seconds after a ball has been spun, or released by the dealer!


                He, he, l love being right!!!!!!


                Shane
                Is that right?

                Shane; I just went to Wikipedia..you are right. I was wrong. Congratulations.

                By the way, you have hurt my feelings, and I'm leaving again. See you in three days with a new computer.
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                • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                  Is that right?

                  Shane; I just went to Wikipedia..you are right. I was wrong. Congratulations.

                  By the way, you have hurt my feelings, and I'm leaving again. See you in three days with a new computer.

                  YAY!!!!! :p:p:p:p:rolleyes:

                  Don't worry Claude l am not exhibiting sociopaths tendencies, just reveling in this rare moment! :p


                  Off again, groan, just as long as l don't have to test out your links again, there are only so many fluffy bunnies to go around! :rolleyes:


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                  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                    Yes, you place bets while the ball is rolling - the dealer stops the players by saying "no more bets" and sweeping their arm over the table when the ball has about 3-4 rotations left.

                    Many roulette players will not place a bet until the ball has been released by the dealer.
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by alexchiara View Post

        Good morning, dear forum!
        Could you tell me if you had ever played a lottery game?
        I'm interested in because I'd like to try one lottery
        I have found in internet. It is Australia lottery.
        What do you think about it.
        Should I do it?
        Well, your odd's are about one in 13 million, so if you don't mind playing it every week for the rest of your life, go ahead?

        The best system l could find would give you a win every 30 years, or a div, 1 prize, well just as long as supps, don't wreck that particular win?

        Probably explains why l prefer to create something instead, better odd's!

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      Originally Posted by tracy2 View Post

      Well, personally I have no much experience i lottos, but my godfather have won 10k USD last month. He also have success to win a car cpuple of years back. Lucky

      I also don't play a lot, but last week I had a chance to win 2000!! I am happy) I tried it: Powerball results
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by Tanta1234 View Post

        I also don't play a lot, but last week I had a chance to win 2000!! I am happy) I tried it: Powerball results
        I had a chance of winning a few million last week playing Lotto!

        Should only take 30 to 60 years and cost 50-100k!


        And according to advertisers, l am a bad parent if l don't give my siblings, (if l had any) a good part of it, or play Lotto until l am broke, in order to give them something?

        Powerball the power to chance nothing!

        Yep, advertisers plus Number games equals sick bag!

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    Usually I use hot lottery numbers ( hot numbers are those most frequently drawn that is why their high statistical probability to pop up in the result). My friend recommend it for me. Last year he won around 6 000 in using the same system.
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      Originally Posted by Trik View Post

      Usually I use hot lottery numbers ( hot numbers are those most frequently drawn that is why their high statistical probability to pop up in the result). My friend recommend it for me. Last year he won around 6 000 in using the same system.
      And this has nothing to do with your sign file link, groan!

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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by Trik View Post

      Usually I use hot lottery numbers ( hot numbers are those most frequently drawn that is why their high statistical probability to pop up in the result). My friend recommend it for me. Last year he won around 6 000 in using the same system.

      "Hot lottery numbers"

      I have to remember that one.
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      • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        "Hot lottery numbers"

        I have to remember that one.
        This is an old thread but the hottest number is still "69"

        People who do not play the lottery have a "0" percent chance of winning anything ever.

        People who play the big one have an extremely low chance of winning the big prize but a better chance of winning tiny little cash amounts occasionally.

        People who play the 5 and 4 number games and use a wheeling system using a cross section of numbers to bet in good mathematical combination's, say using 14 out of 37 and bet 18 times, (for a 5 ball game) have a good chance of winning regular amounts and turning a profit over time. There is an increased chance of winning larger prizes too. Don't bank on it though.

        In my old post I talked about wheeling a 5 ball, and bonus (UK game) and always being in profit. sometimes you would win nothing for several weeks and then bang, all 5 numbers showed up out of the 14 you selected and some multiple wins. It allowed the playing to continue for free. I played it for a year and won 300 pound plus some smaller ones (on that game) and several other 100 pound wins.

        As well as winning money back plus, many times. The returns in the UK for 4, 3 and 2 ball wins were more generous than the US ones and not taxed. The prize money was always fixed too where the US TX ones are variable depending on the amount of ticket purchasers.

        If you did these wheel bets several times over using different 14 number combinations perhaps using a small consortium of people then a win of some sort every time would be possible. It should end up being self perpetuating in the betting over time if you agree to pool the lower winnings to perhaps fund the project until you get a substantial one, then share that.

        In Australia, a large consortium of people betting on the big one, were I believe, banned from playing.
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      • Profile picture of the author ThomM
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        "Hot lottery numbers"

        I have to remember that one.
        Back in the 90's I discovered the state put out a weekly lottery newspaper. It listed all the numbers drawn in the daily pick 3 and 4, the weekly take 5, and the regular lottery. The numbers that came out the most for the daily pick 3 where 3,6,9. I played a dollar box using them every day for a year. Spent $365, made $0. Haven't played the number since.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

          Back in the 90's I discovered the state put out a weekly lottery newspaper. It listed all the numbers drawn in the daily pick 3 and 4, the weekly take 5, and the regular lottery. The numbers that came out the most for the daily pick 3 where 3,6,9. I played a dollar box using them every day for a year. Spent $365, made $0. Haven't played the number since.
          It's because you weren't using your magical powers of intuition. Ask Shane, he'll explain it to you.

          My father used to play $50-$200 a week on the lottery. He thought he had a system. He tried to explain it to me. It was hard to keep from crying. A smart man, seduced by the need to believe in superstition and luck.

          An electrical engineer, smart, rational, but he couldn't be convinced that the lottery paid out worse than any Las Vegas game, including the slot machines.

          I estimated that he spent $10,000 that year on the lottery. I told him I had a system that made me come out ahead $10,000 a year on the lottery, guaranteed. He asked me what it was. I said, "I never play".
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          • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            It's because you weren't using your magical powers of intuition. Ask Shane, he'll explain it to you.

            My father used to play $50-$200 a week on the lottery. He thought he had a system. He tried to explain it to me. It was hard to keep from crying. A smart man, seduced by the need to believe in superstition and luck.

            An electrical engineer, smart, rational, but he couldn't be convinced that the lottery paid out worse than any Las Vegas game, including the slot machines.

            I estimated that he spent $10,000 that year on the lottery. I told him I had a system that made me come out ahead $10,000 a year on the lottery, guaranteed. He asked me what it was. I said, "I never play".
            I won't use up my narky cat images, saving them up for a rainy day?

            But if l win, maybe 10 times in a row, it might convince some?

            But l have to admit that l would like to give Blackjack a shot, eventhough expensive, well, one day?



            Arr, what the hell....

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            • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
              Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

              But if l win, maybe 10 times in a row, it might convince some?
              If you win ten times in a row, I'll double whatever you win and give it to you.

              By winning, I mean you've actually got to win back more than you spent on each attempt, and it has to REALLY be 10 wins in a row. Not 10 times out of 20 attempts. And of course you'll have to provide proof that each time you spent "x" and won back more than "x".

              If not you have to start a thread admitting that there is no "system, no premonition, no sixth sense or any other form of "magic" involved,

              Are you up for the challenge?
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

              I won't use up my narky cat images, saving them up for a rainy day?

              But if l win, maybe 10 times in a row, it might convince some?
              You are under the mistaken impression that you have some mental control over the laws of physics.

              No, I would not be convinced. I am already convinced, that you could win ten times in a row. (let's pretend you are talking about Roulette), I don't think anyone in the history of gambling, has won ten times in a row, but it's in the realm of possibility.

              Your mistake is thinking you can control the outcome with your "Mental Powers".

              Don't you think that someone else...at some point in the history of gambling, would have exhibited this sixth sense when gambling...before you?

              Were you bitten by a radioactive gambling chip?

              I literally had the same conversation with my schizophrenic brother, many years ago.

              Unfortunately for him, mental illness wasn't a super power.


              Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

              Way back, my first site was a site about Las Vegas and it had a lot of gambling advice. One of the more frustrating things was trying to convince people that casino gambling games were all about math. They just wouldn't/couldn't accept it. Although, poker does have quite a bit of psychology and strategy in addition to math, the rest of the games are pure math.
              Yup, Las Vegas was built on gamblers that were convinced that they had a system....or had mental abilities to force the odds in their favor.

              My son makes money playing poker in Las Vegas. Because he's not a moron, he doesn't play any game of chance. But he wins at poker, even after the house takes its cut.

              I asked him his secret to consistent winning.
              He said, "I only play after midnight, and I don't drink."

              That's it. He plays tired drunks, who make mistakes.

              I've watched intelligent people, friends of mine, get bitten by the gambling bug. They always have a system. They always think they have insights the rest of us don't. And they always lose, after a night of gambling. But the mind forget the loses, and only remember the rare wins.

              Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

              Nah, too hard, l will stick with proving that free energy or time travel is possible first?
              I think that's the safest route. Prove time travel is possible first.
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              • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                You are under the mistaken impression that you have some mental control over the laws of physics.

                No, I would not be convinced. I am already convinced, that you could win ten times in a row. (let's pretend you are talking about Roulette), I don't think anyone in the history of gambling, has won ten times in a row, but it's in the realm of possibility..
                Actually...LOL..When I drove a cab I picked up 4 guys at Circus and dropped them at the Mirage. They all seemed really sad and one guy kept repeating, "I can't believe we lost 10 straight times", and "I can't believe black came up 10 straight times"...over and over. This is a true story.

                Yup, Las Vegas was built on gamblers that were convinced that they had a system....or had mental abilities to force the odds in their favor. .
                Actually, Las Vegas was built because it had some water and was part of the Northern Santa Fe Trail.

                My son makes money playing poker in Las Vegas. Because he's not a moron, he doesn't play any game of chance. But he wins at poker, even after the house takes its cut.

                I asked him his secret to consistent winning.
                He said, "I only play after midnight, and I don't drink."

                That's it. He plays tired drunks, who make mistakes. .
                The key to winning at poker is being able to play against players weaker than yourself. It really doesn't matter how good you are if you are better (or worse) than the other players at the table. And you need the patience to only play at tables with good playing conditions.


                Here's an original tell of mine I used to determine the skill level of the players at a poker table. Good players don't watch the flop. They watch the other players watching the flop, looking for tells. They know there's time to look at their cards a few seconds later.


                At a typical Hold 'em table there will be a total of 10 players. If more than 3 or so players are watching other players, then it's likely to be a tough game. But if fewer than 3 players are watching the other players during the flop, then the over-all skill level for the table likely isn't very good.


                The great thing about this read is that good players HAVE TO watch the other players and there's really no way to hide this, unless they wear sunglasses, which means they are probably a pretty good player.



                I've watched intelligent people, friends of mine, get bitten by the gambling bug. They always have a system. They always think they have insights the rest of us don't. And they always lose, after a night of gambling. But the mind forget the loses, and only remember the rare wins..
                I believe you've watched intelligent people, but I seriously doubt any intelligent people are your friend.


                Gambling is a serious addiction and I had a number of friends and co-workers that were so into loan sharks they were suicidal, and a few did kill themselves. Gambling has a higher suicide rate than any other addiction.


                It's an addiction to the action of the game. They get an adrenalin rush from betting more money than they can afford to lose. It's their "thrill ride".


                It was never an addiction for me, one because I studied the games and two because I hated to lose far more than I liked to win. Most addicts only talk about the wins and never the losses.


                I studied so much, one day I was looking at my collection of gambling books, all highlighted, and all my notebooks and realized that if I put in the same amount of time taking some classes I would have had a degree.


                So, I quit gambling and went back to school and took some computer classes at the local community college. I quickly discovered that the odds of making money online were far better than either poker or blackjack and gave me a better lifestyle.
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            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            It's because you weren't using your magical powers of intuition. Ask Shane, he'll explain it to you.

            My father used to play $50-$200 a week on the lottery. He thought he had a system. He tried to explain it to me. It was hard to keep from crying. A smart man, seduced by the need to believe in superstition and luck.

            An electrical engineer, smart, rational, but he couldn't be convinced that the lottery paid out worse than any Las Vegas game, including the slot machines.

            I estimated that he spent $10,000 that year on the lottery. I told him I had a system that made me come out ahead $10,000 a year on the lottery, guaranteed. He asked me what it was. I said, "I never play".
            Way back, my first site was a site about Las Vegas and it had a lot of gambling advice. One of the more frustrating things was trying to convince people that casino gambling games were all about math. They just wouldn't/couldn't accept it. Although, poker does have quite a bit of psychology and strategy in addition to math, the rest of the games are pure math.

            There's a whole branch of study at UNLV that deals with nothing but the math of gambling.

            Baye created a formula for probability in the 1700's that still used by casinos and insurance companies and others to calculate risk to this day. BTW, Baye was a reverend so anyone that dismisses his theorem is going against God AND math.

            Scarne was hired in the 1940s to figure out the odds of gambling games in Las Vegas casinos. He was pretty much right on everything except blackjack. Thorpe got the odds for blackjack correct in the 1960s and published them in his book "Beat the Dealer" and card counting was born. BTW, card counting is based on math.

            Albert Einstein was fascinated by casino gambling. He would visit S Nevada often when they were doing nuclear testing and spent a lot of time in Vegas casinos watching people gamble. He didn't play because he could do the math of the probabilities in his head. But he couldn't understand why people would bet on things were the odds were against them. He'd watch people play Chuck A Luck (a dice game popular back then) for hours wondering why they kept playing despite the odds.

            Most lotteries only pay out 50% of what they take in, and that's before taxes. This is like you and I betting on a coin toss and every time you win I pay you $1 and every time I win you pay me $2. Sure, you may be ahead after a flip or two, but over the long haul I'll take those odds every time.

            Some people do beat the odds. There are people that have won mega lotteries and will be ahead for the rest of their lives. But the winners is all some people focus on. What they should understand for that single winner there are millions and millions and millions of losers. The names of all the losers should be put in a book like the phone book and stacked on each other.

            When it comes to gambling, I'll choose to listen to God (Baye), math, and Einstein, not random people on the Net. Las Vegas didn't build billion dollar casinos just to leave things to "chance".
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            • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
              Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

              If you win ten times in a row, I'll double whatever you win and give it to you.

              By winning, I mean you've actually got to win back more than you spent on each attempt, and it has to REALLY be 10 wins in a row. Not 10 times out of 20 attempts. And of course you'll have to provide proof that each time you spent "x" and won back more than "x".

              If not you have to start a thread admitting that there is no "system, no premonition, no sixth sense or any other form of "magic" involved,

              Are you up for the challenge?
              Nah, too hard, l will stick with proving that free energy or time travel is possible first?

              But, as the guy before said, he spent over $300 and got nothing.

              I spent $60 and won $20!

              But pretty hard to prove, l could just go and buy a truckload and pick out the winners?


              Math's yes, but the best system available is usually not enough for consistent wins. Enough said!

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          • Profile picture of the author ThomM
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            It's because you weren't using your magical powers of intuition. Ask Shane, he'll explain it to you.

            My father used to play $50-$200 a week on the lottery. He thought he had a system. He tried to explain it to me. It was hard to keep from crying. A smart man, seduced by the need to believe in superstition and luck.

            An electrical engineer, smart, rational, but he couldn't be convinced that the lottery paid out worse than any Las Vegas game, including the slot machines.

            I estimated that he spent $10,000 that year on the lottery. I told him I had a system that made me come out ahead $10,000 a year on the lottery, guaranteed. He asked me what it was. I said, "I never play".
            I just reread my post Claude and realized I typed the last sentence wrong. It should of said I haven't played the lottery since. That was my only venture into playing the numbers or any type of lottery at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author bojan92
    i played many times using lottery system but it doesn't pays off. It is just gambling and pure luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author KateKennett
    Hi! Personally I don't play with lotto system, I think it's fraud! I have won in Australian Lotto for about 20$, want to win more. Hope Australian Lotto results will have the same numbers as in my ticket
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  • Profile picture of the author Elsie87
    surely in regards to winning the lottery is by luck so how would maths come into it. I think that each week the balls should be picked out manually by different people in the audience. I bet you then that there will be more winners then just one. There always seems to be one winner every week which is most strange.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by KateKennett View Post

      Hi! Personally I don't play with lotto system, I think it's fraud! I have won in Australian Lotto for about 20$, want to win more. Hope Australian Lotto results will have the same numbers as in my ticket
      Yes, l had a feeling to play Oz Lotto a while ago, and bought a system entry for $60.

      I won about $20!

      I know that skeptics will moan, but there is something to say about sixth sense!

      Originally Posted by Elsie87 View Post

      surely in regards to winning the lottery is by luck so how would maths come into it. I think that each week the balls should be picked out manually by different people in the audience. I bet you then that there will be more winners then just one. There always seems to be one winner every week which is most strange.
      Not every week, sometimes it jackpots.

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      • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        there is something to say about sixth sense!
        Indeed there is Shane, indeed there is.
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        I know that skeptics will moan, but there is something to say about sixth sense!
        I knew you were going to say that. Am I psychic? Yes. Yes, I am.
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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          I knew you were going to say that. Am I psychic? Yes. Yes, I am.


          Hmmm, my next prediction is that Claude will give me a thanks for this creative and whitty comeback?



          And Whatever... will also, but it will take a while?
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          • Profile picture of the author positivenegative
            Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

            Hmmm, my next prediction is that Claude will give me a thanks for this creative and whitty comeback?
            My next prediction is that cat will claw the knackers off whoever cut it's ears off.
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          • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
            Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

            And Whatever... will also, but it will take a while?
            Wrong. The reason being that replies from you featuring a picture of a cat are becoming way too predictable.
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            • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
              Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

              Wrong. The reason being that replies from you featuring a picture of a cat are becoming way too predictable.
              Predictable!!!!


              Well, at least l got it half right!

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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    BTW, there's some serious psychology in poker and it's a concept called "psychological levels".

    Psychological levels is basically, is the other player aware that I'm aware...and that I'm aware that he/she is aware that I'm aware?

    For example, let's use my tell I outlined above about checking for good players. Players that are looking at their cards aren't aware I'm looking at them. However, if my eyes catch another player's eyes looking at me during the flop, I am now aware that he's aware I am looking at the flop. This is Level Two in psychological levels. I'm aware that he's aware.

    Another example is if I bluffed a hand a while back. A bad player won't even be aware that I bluffed. But a good player will be aware. If a good player is aware, he will be more likely to call my hand than a bad player who doesn't even know I bluffed before. It will be harder to bluff the good player in this situation and my hand needs to be strong.

    If the other player is a really good player, he will know that I bluffed, and he will also know that I know he knows I bluffed. Now that we're on this psychological level, it really becomes a guessing game.

    Purely math players are good players and they are hard to beat. But it's also hard for them to beat the top players, as they will always play hands that are mathematically correct to play. The very best players use math, but they also know they have to change up a bit so they aren't so predictable and understand things like psychological layers.

    BTW, one of the most useful things I've ever learned in life is the difference between "intentional" and "unintentional" tells. An unintentional tell is the truth. An intentional tell is a lie. And this applies in everyday life as well as it does in poker. And I see it all the time, even in forum posts.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      You are under the mistaken impression that you have some mental control over the laws of physics.

      No, I would not be convinced. I am already convinced, that you could win ten times in a row. (let's pretend you are talking about Roulette), I don't think anyone in the history of gambling, has won ten times in a row, but it's in the realm of possibility.

      Your mistake is thinking you can control the outcome with your "Mental Powers".
      Ten times in a row, hmmm, sounds like another, l was right moment!

      The Martingdale method, (just google that) will give you 10 or more wins in a row, but of course it does the opposite.

      Control, no, predict, hmmm!

      Don't you think that someone else...at some point in the history of gambling, would have exhibited this sixth sense when gambling...before you?

      Were you bitten by a radioactive gambling chip?

      I literally had the same conversation with my schizophrenic brother, many years ago.

      Unfortunately for him, mental illness wasn't a super power.
      No, sixth sense is and can be used for other forms of investment, but probably works best, when analysis is done first, but analysis has its limits.

      No, the casino is full of some idiots and some that are just there for fun, and some that basically invest their house on a spin of the wheel.

      Someone else,.....not many of them about, l only saw one that was picking up an extra $100 on the roulette tables.

      Or making one $50 bet on the outsides, taking his winnings and moving on.

      Obviously better to move from table to table, so the casino won't check up on him.

      Yup, Las Vegas was built on gamblers that were convinced that they had a system....or had mental abilities to force the odds in their favor.
      Of course, Roulette depends on this, that is why they display the numbers. They want the emotionally inept players the illusion that they can beat the house, purely on maths alone.

      Can't be done. Systems can get you close to beating the house, but will never get you over half way.


      I've watched intelligent people, friends of mine, get bitten by the gambling bug. They always have a system. They always think they have insights the rest of us don't. And they always lose, after a night of gambling. But the mind forget the loses, and only remember the rare wins.

      I think that's the safest route. Prove time travel is possible first.
      Yes, l have spent years on Roulette, and apart from being impressed as to how effective the mathematicians were that developed it, l also know that mathematicians developed it, not mystics?

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      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        Ten times in a row, hmmm, sounds like another, l was right moment!

        The Martingdale method, (just google that) will give you 10 or more wins in a row, but of course it does the opposite.

        It's actually the Martingale, not Martindale. And it's a betting system, not a strategy system, and won't give you 10 or more wins in a row.


        The Martingale is also known as "Gambler's Ruin", btw.


        A basic law of gambling is no betting system can over come a house advantage. All the Martingale really does is increase the betting ACTION without affecting the odds of winning.


        While something like the Martingale would work in the long run, you'd need a bankroll that's infinite. Casinos take care of the Martingale in the short term by having table limits.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

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      BTW, one of the most useful things I've ever learned in life is the difference between "intentional" and "unintentional" tells. An unintentional tell is the truth. An intentional tell is a lie. And this applies in everyday life as well as it does in poker. And I see it all the time, even in forum posts.
      And now, I'm thinking, "Did Kurt just say this in general? Or does he know I lied to him two posts ago? Is he aware that I'm aware that he knows I lied to him? Does he know I'm joking now? Does he think I'm bluffing about joking, and really did lie?"

      Find out tomorrow folks, on "As The World Turns"

      By the way, high end salespeople can tell if someone else is highly skilled. And we can quickly tell if the other guy knows what we are doing. But it's not competitive. And it takes more than a tell.

      And when I am being sold by a highly adept salesperson (it's happened three times that I remember), I savor every minute of it, and usually buy.

      I was selling a highly skilled CEO of a sales company. I could tell that he knew what I was doing, at every step. Outwardly, we were just having a conversation. But inwardly, it was a game of chess.

      Finally, he said, "My God, that's a hell of a close". And I said, "And it worked, didn't it."

      I think he must have laughed for a full minute....and then said, "It sure did"

      One of the few times I was proud of what I was doing. Admiration from an equal.
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        It's actually the Martingale, not Martindale. And it's a betting system, not a strategy system, and won't give you 10 or more wins in a row.


        The Martingale is also known as "Gambler's Ruin", btw.


        A basic law of gambling is no betting system can over come a house advantage. All the Martingale really does is increase the betting ACTION without affecting the odds of winning.


        While something like the Martingale would work in the long run, you'd need a bankroll that's infinite. Casinos take care of the Martingale in the short term by having table limits.
        True, and also true that tech, you don't win 10 times in a row, but when you do win, and change sides, the win is effectively the equivalent to betting ten times!

        Roulette can come up red 16 times in a row, (it is rare, but it does happen) or the opposite of what you are concentrating on.

        Not sure of what you would need to cover that, but it would run into the hundreds of thousands.


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