Liquid Armour!

11 years ago

First of all, you are DREAMING about the tazer idea. Suits, ESPECIALLY ARMOR, are generally made out of insulators or metals. ******BOTH****** are virtually impervious to tazers. Skin is different in that it is relatively conductive and has nerves throughout. Skin may be protective TO A DEGREE, but it is made to perceive things, and exchange moisture, etc... Armor, by DEFINITION, is NOT.

As for the cheap and easy way? Usually that is not true AT ALL! IEDs, for example! OF COURSE they hurt soldiers walking! WHY? Because they don't have much armor at all. HECK, the good bullet proof vests, etc... are RARELY used! TOO heavy and too restrictive. KEVLAR is used because it is cheap, easy, light, and less restrictive, but it is FAR from perfect. Even then, it is made to reduce the impact of bullets over a small area, NOT an explosion. And do they EVER really have armor on the legs and shoes?

TANKS are often far better BUT, again, they are making them faster and less protective, and tracks and the like can be broken. ALSO, if you leave the tank open, it can become a death trap. In the US, we have a term about an Achilles heel. Supposedly, he was IMPERVIOUS, etc... except in the heel, and he was shot there and died. NO weapon or armor is even THOUGHT to be perfect.

Secondly, the makers of this are dreaming. Metal will never be stronger than it is. In fact, with a mere magnetic bond, it will be WEAKER. ALSO, even if it DID work, WHY would ANYONE think it could protect against bombs, etc?

Steve

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tagiscom

11 years ago

First of all, you are DREAMING about the tazer idea. Suits, ESPECIALLY ARMOR, are generally made out of insulators or metals. ******BOTH****** are virtually impervious to tazers. Skin is different in that it is relatively conductive and has nerves throughout. Skin may be protective TO A DEGREE, but it is made to perceive things, and exchange moisture, etc... Armor, by DEFINITION, is NOT.

As for the cheap and easy way? Usually that is not true AT ALL! IEDs, for example! OF COURSE they hurt soldiers walking! WHY? Because they don't have much armor at all. HECK, the good bullet proof vests, etc... are RARELY used! TOO heavy and too restrictive. KEVLAR is used because it is cheap, easy, light, and less restrictive, but it is FAR from perfect. Even then, it is made to reduce the impact of bullets over a small area, NOT an explosion. And do they EVER really have armor on the legs and shoes?

TANKS are often far better BUT, again, they are making them faster and less protective, and tracks and the like can be broken. ALSO, if you leave the tank open, it can become a death trap. In the US, we have a term about an Achilles heel. Supposedly, he was IMPERVIOUS, etc... except in the heel, and he was shot there and died. NO weapon or armor is even THOUGHT to be perfect.

Secondly, the makers of this are dreaming. Metal will never be stronger than it is. In fact, with a mere magnetic bond, it will be WEAKER. ALSO, even if it DID work, WHY would ANYONE think it could protect against bombs, etc?

Steve

Ok, chillout!

As an example the US spent a furtune and a lot of years of research on the drone aircraft, (which had a few hidden high tech, things on board) and Iraki, computer scientists, merely trapped it in a signal jamming area, so they could gain control, and get their hands on some of the high tech,.

That is what l am talking about! It is easy to visualize and develop something, but a lot harder to anticipate the enemy's responce. Since as the above example shows, highly encrypted military aircraft, can be easily hacked if the right conditions are met!

What they really need to do is develop and idea, when initially thrash the idea to make sure their isn't an easy way around it's defenses, before development.

The best computers around are no smarter than a cat, and it is easy to confuse a cat!

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whateverpedia

11 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

As an example the US spent a furtune and a lot of years of research on the drone aircraft, (which had a few hidden high tech, things on board) and Iraki, computer scientists, merely trapped it in a signal jamming area, so they could gain control, and get their hands on some of the high tech.

It was actually the Iranians that jammed the drone, but you're right about the rest.

It reminds me of the story about how during the Space Race of the 1950's and 60's NASA spent millions on developing a pen that would write in zero gravity. The Russians used a pencil.

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tagiscom

11 years ago

Fire is more fun than electricity.

ThorShield material is lightweight and protects against electricity - but I don't think it's fireproof.

True, the enemy uses a flame thrower, and the occupants roast in their suits before they have a chance of getting shot!

Then when they are on the ground tearing this off, the conventional weapons come out!

It was actually the Iranians that jammed the drone, but your right about the rest.

Yep, stand corrected, l was too tired to research it!!! :rolleyes:

It reminds me of the story about how during the Space Race of the 1950's and 60's NASA spent millions on developing a pen that would write in zero gravity. The Russians used a pencil.

LOL, yep, exactly! This also explains why the Wright brothers succeeded against a huge company with big budgets, and staff, etc, in getting a powered craft off the ground, for a worthwhile distance.

When they found a problem they developed the quickest, cheapest and easiest way forward, instead of justifying a huge staff, building and saying work on this wing design so it can support this weight, etc.

Yeah, big budgets doesn't automatically mean big breakthroughs. And clever enemies, with limited budgets, who don't have a presentation to worry about, can cut the crap and find the best way to combat it!

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seasoned

11 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

Ok, chillout!

As an example the US spent a furtune and a lot of years of research on the drone aircraft, (which had a few hidden high tech, things on board) and Iraki, computer scientists, merely trapped it in a signal jamming area, so they could gain control, and get their hands on some of the high tech,.

Yeah, the GPS is ****PUBLIC**** and signal loss should have been considered a given. It would have been SO easy to get a base far from the target, have the machine GUESS where it was(based on the pattern, etc...) and reverse the route until it found the GPS signal that closely fit, and went back. Such jamming shuld have been one of the TESTS! As einstein said, human stupidity may be infinite. HECK, they COULD have had a CHALLENGE methodology.

That is ********STANDARD******* in computer security. Even on one of the first star trek movies they showed it. Even on some series shows. Many SPY shows ALSO show it! You have a problem, or need help, you ask a question. It could be simply a beep, a motion, a query, or even something like ****STATIC****. You then wait for a signal. If parameters aren't met, you do a set series of tasks, that may even seem random, and wait for new orders.

YEAH, there are several such examples, for EVERY country! But that is FAR from always true.

That is what l am talking about! It is easy to visualize and develop something, but a lot harder to anticipate the enemy's responce. Since as the above example shows, highly encrypted military aircraft, can be easily hacked if the right conditions are met!

Signal loss should have been EXPECTED! One trick Steve Wozniak used to play was disrupting TV reception, and watching the mayhem. HECK, radar was created because they saw how cows could affect radio reception!

What they really need to do is develop and idea, when initially thrash the idea to make sure their isn't an easy way around it's defenses, before development.

That is what you are ALWAYS supposed to do.

The best computers around are no smarter than a cat, and it is easy to confuse a cat!

DON'T say such things! That is a MAJOR INSULT! You could get hurt if they understood such a slight! Cats are a LOT smarter than that!

SERIOUSLY!

Steve

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Originally Posted by seasoned

In the US, we have a term about an Achilles heel. Supposedly, he was IMPERVIOUS, etc... except in the heel, and he was shot there and died.

I think you'll find that the story of Achilles is actually a Greek legend, and is well known throughout the world, where we too describe an "achilles heel" as being a weak spot.
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socialentry

11 years ago

lol. yeah, good luck with your tazers when the enemy has machineguns

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11 years ago

Fire is more fun than electricity.

ThorShield material is lightweight and protects against electricity - but I don't think it's fireproof.

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socialentry

11 years ago

It's not that easy to twart high-tech military stuff.

Drones were mentionned...

Sure, you can jam it but then the electronic warfare units can also triangulate your position and then you're ****ed (because artillery or something else is on your way). It's not some infantry gonzo with a portable radio that's going to jam a drone.

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Horny Devil

Banned 11 years ago

This is liquid armour. It makes you immune to anything . . . albeit temporarily

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tagiscom

11 years ago

Yeah, the GPS is ****PUBLIC**** and signal loss should have been considered a given. It would have been SO easy to get a base far from the target, have the machine GUESS where it was(based on the pattern, etc...) and reverse the route until it found the GPS signal that closely fit, and went back. Such jamming shuld have been one of the TESTS! As einstein said, human stupidity may be infinite. HECK, they COULD have had a CHALLENGE methodology.

That is ********STANDARD******* in computer security. Even on one of the first star trek movies they showed it. Even on some series shows. Many SPY shows ALSO show it! You have a problem, or need help, you ask a question. It could be simply a beep, a motion, a query, or even something like ****STATIC****. You then wait for a signal. If parameters aren't met, you do a set series of tasks, that may even seem random, and wait for new orders.

YEAH, there are several such examples, for EVERY country! But that is FAR from always true.

Hmmm, scary, l didn't think that they were that easy to find or nobble.

I would assume that, if loss of signal happens the million dollar computer, would kick in and go into a holding pattern moving up til some signal was found, etc!

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What they really need to do is develop and idea, when initially thrash the idea to make sure their isn't an easy way around it's defenses, before development.
That is what you are ALWAYS supposed to do.

Yep, but as before the mindset of a happy well funded scientist with a great concept, who has successful sold it to the military is very different to someone who, is scared to go down to the market every week for necessaries, and lives in a limping economy!

If very clever or talented people are backed into a corner by an aggressor, then brilliant out of the box thinking will result.

Which means that anticipating every possible means of attack is probably impossible, and safeguarding as time and funds allows, is all a first world economy can do.

And obviously using secret tech, in the military, makes it inevitable the enemy will get hold of it.

DON'T say such things! That is a MAJOR INSULT! You could get hurt if they understood such a slight! Cats are a LOT smarter than that!

SERIOUSLY!

Steve

LOL, you sure.... :rolleyes:

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PS, hard to give a score, but it this case l think that the people watching, and sharpening the knife are dumber! :confused:

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

Hmmm, scary, l didn't think that they were that easy to find or nobble.

I would assume that, if loss of signal happens the million dollar computer, would kick in and go into a holding pattern moving up til some signal was found, etc!

Well, the computer certainly was NOT a million dollar computer. It may have been an ultracheap computer with a low level GPS. If an enemy knew the right things, which is likely, they could very likely kill the signal! The device was set to GO HOME if the signal failed. Supposedly, IRAN IMITATED the signal. That is harder. They supposedly tricked the drone into thinking it WAS home! It didn't crash, it LANDED!

Yep, but as before the mindset of a happy well funded scientist with a great concept, who has successful sold it to the military is very different to someone who, is scared to go down to the market every week for necessaries, and lives in a limping economy!

If very clever or talented people are backed into a corner by an aggressor, then brilliant out of the box thinking will result.

Which means that anticipating every possible means of attack is probably impossible, and safeguarding as time and funds allows, is all a first world economy can do.

And obviously using secret tech, in the military, makes it inevitable the enemy will get hold of it.

Actually, until the 1990s, it was *****ILLEGAL***** to even PUBLISH plans or ciphers internationally. NOW, CHINA LEGALLY has state of the art equipment updated like to the MINUTE!

LOL, you sure.... :rolleyes:

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PS, hard to give a score, but it this case l think that the people watching, and sharpening the knife are dumber! :confused:

OK, OK, so there are stupid cats. I assume that, if it got hurt, it would react.

Steve

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seasoned

11 years ago

Originally Posted by socialentry

It's not that easy to twart high-tech military stuff.

Drones were mentionned...

Sure, you can jam it but then the electronic warfare units can also triangulate your position and then you're ****ed (because artillery or something else is on your way). It's not some infantry gonzo with a portable radio that's going to jam a drone.

HEY YEAH! TRUE STORY! I heard about one country. OK, I'll say it, ISRAEL!!!!!! They sent in drones, and the target destroyed the drones! I forget the country, but think it was iraq. The PROBLEM was that it was a TRAP! Israel WANTED them to attack! WHY? Israel locked on the radar and destroyed it! So jamming may be the LAST thing you want to do.

SUPPOSE, JUST SUPPOSE, that the drone had a homing beacon, or some special material, or that ANOTHER type of drone monitored AND, when ready, key parts of the enemy infraatructure were destroyed! So HOW old are such ideas? Well, there are a few accounts in the old testament, and there is always the illiad believed to have been written in 8BC.

Steve