Two year old girl gets in MENSA IQ = 156

Johnny

15 years ago

Wow that's smart

I wonder how will my daughter score if she is to take the Mensa test.

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Kay King 15 years ago

Anything over 140 puts you in the top .05% of the population. I wouldn't allow my child's photo to be spread around the world.

Growing up, I thought if one more person told me "you're too smart to do that" I'd barf. I tested over the 150 level and spent much of my child and teen years trying to prove I wasn't that smart! By now, I'm probably not.

IQ measures potential - there are Mensa qualified people asking "do you want fries with that". I hope that child's parents will forget the "numbers" and just provide a wide range of experience, possibilities and knowledge as she grows up.

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  Originally Posted by Kay King
  
  IQ measures potential
  
  Wechsler battery is flawed and skews logarithmically as age decreases. The younger you are, the better your IQ score becomes with the same test results, which is as it should be... but at very young ages, small amounts of knowledge skew the results outrageously.
  
  I tested this as I was moving around the world in my childhood, because everywhere I went they didn't believe my IQ score and insisted on testing it themselves.
  
  General rule? Don't try to give a hacker the same test fifty times. We're much more interested in reverse-engineering your test than we are in getting the best possible score.
  
  It didn't take me long to figure out that I could lower my score by over thirty points simply by pretending I didn't know how to pronounce "synecdoche" - and by almost fifty if I claimed it wasn't even a real word.
  
  This little tidbit allowed me to get the hell out of all the damn "gifted" programs which, in smaller and less well-funded schools, were held and taught in the same "special" area of the school as the retarded and disabled children. And you got to ride the short bus that boarded in the back of the school, too.
  
  Didn't make me cool, but it sure as hell made me a lot less of an outcast.
  
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Star69

15 years ago

I would think if the kid is really that smart, she'd realize that, Kay...

Not sure about the parents, though!

Bucky Fuller (inventor of the geodesic dome) theorized that we are all born geniuses but by observing and copying those around us we are quickly de-geniused...

So the older we get the dumber we get? I don't think so. I believe there's a bottom limit as to how stupid we can become by observing and copying those around us because we eventually come across the most stupid people in the world (unless we hide from everyone our entire life).

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valerieSONORA

15 years ago

It totally sucks being a genius cause you're surrounded by idiots all the time. That's no fun :rolleyes:

Hmm Summer can put her shoes on the right feet and and knows the difference b/w pink and purple wonder if she's a genius

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GeorgettaSterling

15 years ago

Only 156? And she's already 2 years old? Pshhhhh. She is WAAAY behind.

If she was 1, I would be somewhat impressed, but at 2 she has a LOT of catching up to do if she is going to compete. Nowadays kids have to be able to compose 4 part harmonies in the womb in order to be considered anything beyond "tragically stupid", so this poor little girl has my sympathies on her stunted development. So, so sad...

I mean, I knew my colors, could speak 11 languages, could do calculus and solve 5-dimensional geometry problems when I was -1 year old (e.g. a year and 9 months before I was conceived) - what's this girl's problem???

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seasoned

14 years ago

Originally Posted by GeorgettaSterling

Only 156? And she's already 2 years old? Pshhhhh. She is WAAAY behind.

If she was 1, I would be somewhat impressed, but at 2 she has a LOT of catching up to do if she is going to compete. Nowadays kids have to be able to compose 4 part harmonies in the womb in order to be considered anything beyond "tragically stupid", so this poor little girl has my sympathies on her stunted development. So, so sad...

I mean, I knew my colors, could speak 11 languages, could do calculus and solve 5-dimensional geometry problems when I was -1 year old (e.g. a year and 9 months before I was conceived) - what's this girl's problem???

G :p

156, so her mental age is that of a 3 year old. AND, if she is three, it doesn't mean she has likewise matured mentally BUT, if she had, she would be as smart as a 6yo! I still think she probably wouldn't fit in. 8-(

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Bill Farnham 14 years ago

It appears from reading this thread that are probably as many geniuses floating around as there where ancestors who came over on the Mayflower...:rolleyes:

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gareth

15 years ago

I have scored very high on some IQ tests - others just bright.

I find for me it very much depends on motivation, stress, mood etc.

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gareth

15 years ago

Originally Posted by raphilon

Two years old girl with IQ = 156 is that possible?

Theres more than one - the link i put is from a couple of years ago but there was another little girl on the news here the other day who is even smarter.

2 and she knows all the capital cities and could speak at 6 months.

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HeySal

15 years ago

IQ of 140 and over is genius - what really sucks is how America blows these levels of IQ's off. Geniuses don't always follow social packs - usually very outside of them. Schools now respond to this by drugging the kids instead of introducing them into challenging programs.
I missed that era of treatment - but I needed financial aid for college and was told my IQ was too high to qualify for it. So I could understand and fly through my courses, they tried to keep me from them. They were giving all the aid to "challenge" students at the time - people they thought stood a good chance of not getting grades high enough to keep funding. Kewl.

Americans would be horrified if they knew how many of the homeless in this nation - or other financially challenged have exceptional IQ -- because they don't act or think like society tells them to so they get blown right out the door. It's a waste at the very least.

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ForeverMoore

15 years ago

^^^^^^HeySal, what you said about sums it up. People would be really surprised at what goes on when it comes to education in this country. Conforming seems to be more important than excelling.

As for the girl, I hope her parents treat her normal, do not place undue pressure on her and allow her to develop as a person. Drive is one thing you can't teach but may have the possibility to be instilled with the right life experiences.

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Kay King

15 years ago

So right, Sal - our system teaches people to be mediocre and calls it "the norm".

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gareth 15 years ago

Its liliput.

Actually if you are really smart its "Planet of the Apes'
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MikeAmbrosio

14 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

IQ of 140 and over is genius - what really sucks is how America blows these levels of IQ's off. Geniuses don't always follow social packs - usually very outside of them. Schools now respond to this by drugging the kids instead of introducing them into challenging programs.
I missed that era of treatment - but I needed financial aid for college and was told my IQ was too high to qualify for it. So I could understand and fly through my courses, they tried to keep me from them. They were giving all the aid to "challenge" students at the time - people they thought stood a good chance of not getting grades high enough to keep funding. Kewl.

Americans would be horrified if they knew how many of the homeless in this nation - or other financially challenged have exceptional IQ -- because they don't act or think like society tells them to so they get blown right out the door. It's a waste at the very least.

Originally Posted by Kay King

So right, Sal - our system teaches people to be mediocre and calls it "the norm".

While I agree with this assessment, that is only HALF of the problem. The other half are some parents. Here's what I mean...

These days, many homes have both parents working full time (if they are not divorced that is) and don't (or can't) take the time to even know what their kids are doing, much less know their academic challenges.

As for schools and programs, sometimes all it takes is pushing (hard) by the parents to get what your child needs.

We also live in a time where all kinds of information is available a lot easier than in the past.

When I was a kid I tested at "genius levels" too. But my parents were divorced, my dad was a deadbeat and my mother worked 3 jobs. I ended up dropping out to join the military (and finished 2 years later).

I realize that I am making blanket statements here. So I DO know that you still have very active parents pushing hard and STILL get nowhere, and we DO have some very apathetic school systems and teachers out there, but we also can NOT put all the blame on schools alone.

There's a lot of work to be done...

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daryamconsult_aust

15 years ago

I hope she still gets to enjoy her childhood!

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JeffLam

15 years ago

I hope her EQ will be as good as her IQ when she grows up!

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gingii 14 years ago

It sucks to be her!
She's going to be pushed her whole life.
Plus, that's not that high, my whole family is above 140.
Also, I feel that even if someone is super smart, pushing them will just destroy their lives. I got mine tested when I was 6 and got 180, but my parents didn't push me. Now i enjoy being normal, and NOT being part of MENSA. And, realistically, what does Mensa do? The only interesting things you get to do is go around going "Oh, I'm in MENSA, tralala." and thinking you better than everybody else.

And yes, I know nobody has posted here for like a year, but i felt the need to say this!
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hayman

14 years ago

Originally Posted by gareth

Man its amazing - they reckon she is nearly as smart as einstien.

My oldest brother had an IQ of 160 when he was 12 but seems to have wasted his talents.

(no offense bro) ;-)

Two-year-old 'Matilda' becomes youngest ever girl in Mensa | Mail Online

I think thats cool

Ok freaking weird - this is not the kid or parents I just saw on TV - there must be more than one of them

Clever girl. Wish she'd be successful in the future.

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Kay King 14 years ago

This thread is a year old - so guess it would be "three year old girl now" wouldn't it?
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gareth

14 years ago

so if she has an IQ of 156 & an emotional age of 3 does this mean she will throw a tantrum kill us all ?

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Kay King 14 years ago

Yep, Gareth - she'll throw a tantrum at age 5 and the fears about 2012 will become reality.
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seasoned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by gareth

so if she has an IQ of 156 & an emotional age of 3 does this mean she will throw a tantrum kill us all ?

2(CA CHRONOLGICAL AGE)*1.56(IQ/100)=3.16(MA MENTAL AGE)

There is NO correlation to EMOTIONAL AGE.

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Sue McDonald

14 years ago

That news article was 2007 so guess she is 5 or nearly 5. It would be nice to find out how she is going enjoying her childhood or hating it. Sometimes these exceptionally bright kids become a little isolated. They must be sent to special schools that cater for them. They get too bored in a normal school. Hope she has a great life and is allowed to do what she wants to do.

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GuerrillaIM

14 years ago

They thought my brother was a bit slow at school so they tested his IQ and found it to be 150+ and he was really just bored with lessons that were not challenging to him.

He has done pretty well for himself, never had any problems fitting in.

@ gingii - No way I believe you got tested at 180. Do you know why I know this? Because the maximum score you can get is 161 on a mensa IQ test.

I was in all top classes at school and found it a breeze to pass exams etc.. but I only got 120 IQ on the test. I think some people might be confusing mensa IQ tests with a different form of IQ test.

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seasoned

14 years ago

Originally Posted by GuerrillaIM

@ gingii - No way I believe you got tested at 180. Do you know why I know this? Because the maximum score you can get is 161 on a mensa IQ test.

I was in all top classes at school and found it a breeze to pass exams etc.. but I only got 120 IQ on the test. I think some people might be confusing mensa IQ tests with a different form of IQ test.

Funny you should say "I think some people might be confusing mensa IQ tests with a different form of IQ test". Did Gingii ever say THAT IQ test was a mensa test?

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GuerrillaIM

14 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

Funny you should say "I think some people might be confusing mensa IQ tests with a different form of IQ test". Did Gingii ever say THAT IQ test was a mensa test?

Steve

Well, considering the topic of conversation is Mensa IQ rating, and he said "Plus, that's not that high" [in relation to the girls score] ... "I got mine tested when I was 6 and got 180" I would go so far as to say he is *comparing* his score to the Mensa IQ score.

So Gingii is saying that getting 5 points off the maximum score is "not that high", because he got 19 point over the possible maximum score.

Wouldn't you say that if you reference a figure and then provide a comparative figure of your own that was unrelated, you would be comparing apples to oranges?

Do you understand what I am saying? Is my point clear to you now?

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by GuerrillaIM

Well, considering the topic of conversation is Mensa IQ rating, and he said "Plus, that's not that high" [in relation to the girls score] ... "I got mine tested when I was 6 and got 180" I would go so far as to say he is *comparing* his score to the Mensa IQ score.

So Gingii is saying that getting 5 points off the maximum score is "not that high", because he got 19 point over the possible maximum score.

Wouldn't you say that if you reference a figure and then provide a comparative figure of your own that was unrelated, you would be comparing apples to oranges?

Do you understand what I am saying? Is my point clear to you now?

I understood what you were saying before. I WOULD reiterate my statement, but that would be redundant. The title says "Two year old girl gets in MENSA IQ = 156 "! It does NOT say HOW she was tested!

Mensa accepts TONS of tests! They EVEN accept the SAT! And NO, I am NOT saying she took the sat. If she got only 50% of the points, her IQ would be literally OFF THE CHARTS! IMAGINE, if it were linear, 50% would give her an IQ around 500! Of course, it isn't linear, but 100% would put her IQ around 1000. Now THAT would be amazing! A 2YO getting into harvard! That is one for the history books! If she were lucky, and the handicap of her stride, metabolism, and height, were provided for, she would STILL be an average student. Because a 2YO with a 1000 IQ would only be as smart as the average 20yo, assuming everything were in proportion.

You MUST understand what I am saying since you said "the topic of conversation is Mensa IQ rating". But THAT is a non sequitor because you would be indicating that I DID understand! BUT, the fact of the matter is that it basically says "2 YO gets into mensa, BECAUSE she has an IQ of 156"! It doesn't say HOW it was measured. The kicker is that it was a 2YO!

Anyway, a 2YO with a 156 IQ wouldn't seem to be all that bright from the average adult standpoint. HECK, the IQ rates like 3-4 different IQs so she doesn't even necessarily have to be able to talk! Most kids by 2yo can speak at least 50% understandable sentences, and the sentences can be several words long. When people speak of ONE IQ, like is spoken of here, they mean a COMPOSITE score of about 3-4 areas. 2-3 are NON VERBAL!

Further, at the risk of the aforementioned redundancy, I DID say "Did Gingii ever say THAT IQ test was a mensa test?". HOW did you get the idea that I didn't understand that you based your premise on the assumption that it was a MENSA IQ test? If you can truthfully and reasonably answer that, you might solve one of my biggest problems. Then again, MANY are likewise afflicted. I EAGERLY await your reply!

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Steven Wagenheim 14 years ago

When I was in my teens, I tested at 148.

So much for IQ tests. :rolleyes:
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lordex

14 years ago

Another smart person, hope the parents would let the kid grow as a kid, checkout this 6th grade boy his talent is absolutely awesome and believe it or not he is guesting on Ellen show

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gareth

14 years ago

So I wonder at what age IQ tests can be taken more seriously - maybe at onset adolescence ?

I dunno but my eldest brother had a score over 160 at 12 & he was genuinely very intelligent. He used to design sailing ships as a hobby and scratch build fully functioning models of them.

I think he worked hard at becoming dumber just to fit in and be happy. Its a shame.

Oi erpey, erpey

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CDarklock 14 years ago

Originally Posted by gareth

So I wonder at what age IQ tests can be taken more seriously - maybe at onset adolescence ?

I think they're very good at identifying whether someone is smart or not, but only within a reasonably narrow band around normal. I think pretty much every IQ test should stop at where you sit in relation to the 80-to-140 range: in it, above it, or below it. End of story.

That would pretty much do the job of telling educators and parents whether their child needed special treatment and what kind, but you wouldn't get pissing matches within a band. Within your usual peer group, chances are you'd all be in the same band anyway.
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by gareth

So I wonder at what age IQ tests can be taken more seriously - maybe at onset adolescence ?

I dunno but my eldest brother had a score over 160 at 12 & he was genuinely very intelligent. He used to design sailing ships as a hobby and scratch build fully functioning models of them.

I think he worked hard at becoming dumber just to fit in and be happy. Its a shame.

Oi erpey, erpey

2yo @156=about 3! BIG DEAL, WHO CARES!
12yo @160=about 19. SO, if it were all in proportion, etc... he could get into college.

Of course, it isn't necessarily in proportion. The IDEAL IQ test tries to take representative pieces that most can relate to and uses them to determine POTENTIAL. A good example would be the pythagorean theorem. IQ tests might give several close approximations, but the correct answer would only show that they studied the relation, or knew the formula. A 2YO would, on that basis, have only a chance at getting it right. BUT, left with values that vary quite a bit, like "A triangle has 2 sides that are at an angle of more than 90degrees but less than 100degrees to one another, one is 10in, and the other is 6in. How long will the third line likely be? 10in? 16in? 6in? 100in? 12in? 136in?" A smart person could guess right off that 12 would be about right. 10 and 6 are OBVIOUSLY too small, and 16 is too large because that would be a 180degree "angle". Obviously any other number is too large. Someone knowing part of the pythagorean theorem might guess 136!

And the idea of being able to unfold a box mentally, figure out various patterns that have probably been TAUGHT in highschool, or even vocabulary won't necessarily mean you do better.

Anyway, IQ might be a benchmark but, like all benchmarks, it is often overused and depended on too much. It was originally created to assess retardation! A college decided to create the SAT to do the same SORT of thing to assess how well a person would do in school. OBVIOUSLY, THEY didn't think IQ was good enough!

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Josh MacDonald

14 years ago

She looks smart

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dolcevita

14 years ago

I have no link for this but a long term test have reveled in USA ,that most chef's have not a high IQ.
And many of people whit higher IQ working among them.
When I look at the chefs that I had up to now, I can only confirm this.

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seasoned

14 years ago

Originally Posted by dolcevita

I have no link for this but a long term test have reveled in USA ,that most chef's have not a high IQ.
And many of people whit higher IQ working among them.
When I look at the chefs that I had up to now, I can only confirm this.

Well, there are LOTS of different chefs! Frankly, I agree that most seem to be not all that bright. That is part of the problem with nutrition and all today. And SO MANY go into debt, etc... and are SURPRISED when they find out how little they can get paid. WHY would ANYONE choose a career and spend SO long trying to beef up their resume, and NEVER consider the average starting salary?

And MOST chefs probably don't even go to school, or know much about cooking. I have seen some FAMOUS ones that seemingly don't know the difference between a teaspoon and a CUP!

But that doesn't mean they are all dopes.

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stealth_warrior

14 years ago

wow .. your brother's IQ was 160 when he's 12? awesome ...

mine is just around 130 something, i forget

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Lloyd Buchinski 14 years ago

Originally Posted by stealth_warrior

mine is just around 130 something

I can't count that far, so does that mean mine is lower? rats
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David Louis Monk

14 years ago

Let's hope she grows to become wise.

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