Internet's first conspiracy theory comes roaring back!

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TWA 800: Internet's first conspiracy theory comes roaring back! - Salon.com


With the media breathlessly reporting 17-year-old claims, here's how TWA 800 pioneered online conspiracy theories
  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    That isn't the first internet conspiracy. NOWHERE NEAR IT!

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    • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      That isn't the first internet conspiracy. NOWHERE NEAR IT!

      Steve

      What was???
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

        What was???
        I have no idea, but it says "Long before there were Ed Snowden Truthers, there were TWA Flight 800 theorists, way back in 1996" Wikipedia says "July 17, 1996"! I saw all sort of conspiracy theories, like nostradamus, and the "luminati" YEARS before that, on the internet! SO, TWA 800 wasn't the first.

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        • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

          I have no idea, but it says "Long before there were Ed Snowden Truthers, there were TWA Flight 800 theorists, way back in 1996" Wikipedia says "July 17, 1996"! I saw all sort of conspiracy theories, like nostradamus, and the "luminati" YEARS before that, on the internet! SO, TWA 800 wasn't the first.

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          If you say so.
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  • Profile picture of the author SandraLarkin
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    Conspiracy theorists 1 - Government - 0 in the official internet scoreboard.
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  • Profile picture of the author Doran Peck
    I have to agree with Steve. There was tons of conspiracy stuff even in 92
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  • Profile picture of the author LarryC
    I can believe it. The internet barely existed before 1996. At least that's when it started to get popular. So it's not likely there were any widespread conspiracy theories, viral memes or anything like that much before then. Naturally, conspiracy theories themselves predate the internet.
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    • Profile picture of the author SandraLarkin
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      Originally Posted by LarryC View Post

      I can believe it. The internet barely existed before 1996. At least that's when it started to get popular. So it's not likely there were any widespread conspiracy theories, viral memes or anything like that much before then. Naturally, conspiracy theories themselves predate the internet.
      No there were. There were chat boards with just a mix mash of people. They had a specific name, I just can not for the life of me remember what they were called.


      The internet as you know it was around 96, but not the internet.
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      • Profile picture of the author LarryC
        Originally Posted by SandraLarkin View Post

        No there were. There were chat boards with just a mix mash of people. They had a specific name, I just can not for the life of me remember what they were called.


        The internet as you know it was around 96, but not the internet.
        I know it was around. I remember belonging to something called The Well, which was connected with the people who put out The Whole Earth Catalogs. I think that was the early 90s or thereabouts. There were BBS boards and such. But it was all very slow and decentralized, so you didn't have ideas spreading virally as they do with the modern internet.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by LarryC View Post

          I know it was around. I remember belonging to something called The Well, which was connected with the people who put out The Whole Earth Catalogs. I think that was the early 90s or thereabouts. There were BBS boards and such. But it was all very slow and decentralized, so you didn't have ideas spreading virally as they do with the modern internet.
          MANY WERE centralized! That info is on the internet even TODAY. As for being slow? Most seemed FAR slower than it was because of the modems.

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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by LarryC View Post

      I can believe it. The internet barely existed before 1996. At least that's when it started to get popular. So it's not likely there were any widespread conspiracy theories, viral memes or anything like that much before then. Naturally, conspiracy theories themselves predate the internet.
      Actually, it existed LONG before that. I got onto it directly around 1992. I was on it indirectly long before that.

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  • Profile picture of the author LarryC
    I just looked it up; The Well launched in 1985. I know the internet technically dates back much further than that. The point is that it wasn't a popular medium then but only used by a handful of geeks (no offense).

    << MANY WERE centralized! That info is on the internet even TODAY. As for being slow? Most seemed FAR slower than it was because of the modems. >>

    Isn't that the point? If the modems were slow, communication was slow.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      I can believe it. The internet barely existed before 1996. At least that's when it started to get popular. So it's not likely there were any widespread conspiracy theories, viral memes or anything like that much before then.
      The Internet wasn't opened to commercial public use until around 1995, but it certainly existed long before that. I have friends who had Usenet access through college accounts in the early 80s.

      The first incarnation of the Internet was born in the late 60s and early 70s. It was called ARPAnet. It was primitive by today's technical measures, but a lot of the packet transfer protocols are pretty much the same now as they were then.

      The Well was a dialup service, and was an unusual cross between the more familiar dialup systems (like AOL and Compuserve) and the early commercial Internet. It was basically a high-powered BBS.

      That being said, there were somewhere between 12 and 16 million people with Internet access when I first got online, globally. That was 1995.

      The number is currently somewhere north of 2 billion.


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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Ah. Just thought of a couple that were much earlier than 1996. They were, of course, propagated largely on Usenet and some BBSs.

        The most common that I saw was the claim that spamfighters (called 'antis' back then) were part of a plot by the big Internet service companies to control advertising online and keep the 'little guy' out. That had been around for years before I got online. I quickly became one of the targets for that particular crowd.

        That mysterious assemblage was later jokingly called "the Lumber Cartel" by spamfighters. And even a few of the more attentive spammers of the time.

        The claim that the "Powers That Be" online were allied in a plot to push anti-religious views was always big, even going back to the FidoNet daze.

        The old standards were well-represented, too. The Kennedy assassination, the Clinton "murderer" theories, and all the rest.

        I wasn't online for the really early days of the pre-commercial Internet, but one of my friends with college access used to laugh at the conspiracy theorists in Usenet. Mostly "alien cover-up" stuff.

        Gossip springs eternal.


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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    WOW, I don't believe I even heard of "The Lumber Cartel". It is amazing how a group can take advantage like that and then claim a nefarious plot to try to stop them.

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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Steve,
      WOW, I don't believe I even heard of "The Lumber Cartel".
      It was mostly an inside joke among spamfighters. A humorous response to the crazy stuff spammers tended to throw around back then to make anyone who opposed spamming look like "anticommerce Nazis."

      Yes, that was a common phrase.


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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Steve,It was mostly an inside joke among spamfighters. A humorous response to the crazy stuff spammers tended to throw around back then to make anyone who opposed spamming look like "anticommerce Nazis."

        Yes, that was a common phrase.


        Paul
        I guess I was lucky. I spent most of my early time with the OLD standard cell(aka TEXT) BBS type communications. I even RAN a couple for a time. LITTLE SPAMMING! I spent a relatively brief time with AOL, PRODIGY, and even earthlink, and got little spamming. THEN I went to a full standard internet. OOOOH, it would have been a spammers PARADISE! Most companies enabled a feature that THEN was on nearly all machines. Want all of AOLs subscribers email addresses? *****SIMPLE*****! BUT, alas, it seems by the time most spammers figured it out, the admins disabled it! AGAIN, I had little spamming.

        Anyway, I would have had little exposure to such a thing. Still, the threads I saw were very eclectic. Some tied to backend feeds over the internet, and covered lots of weird theories.

        But my original point stands in that the internet has been around SO long that it is ludicrous to claim that a theory about an event that happened in 1995 is the first theory. Such theories, like the internet, predate that event, HTML, WWW, and even generally available EMAIL. They even predate M/S windows and ,possibly, xwindows. HECK, AOL and prodigy probably had plugin ecommerce so THAT may predate the WWW(http(s) servers/browsers).

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