Legal bid to stop CERN atom smasher from 'destroying the world'

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Legal bid to stop CERN atom smasher from 'destroying the world'

The world's biggest and most expensive scientific experiment has been hit by a last minute legal challenge, amid claims that the research could bring about the end of the world.

Critics of the Large Hadron Collider - a £4.4 billion machine due to be switched on in ten days time - have lodged a lawsuit at the European Court for Human Rights against the 20 countries, including the UK, that fund the project.

The device is designed to replicate conditions that existed just a fraction of a second after the Big Bang, and its creators hope it will unlock the secrets of how the universe began.

However, opponents fear the machine, which will smash pieces of atoms together at high speed and generate temperatures of more than a trillion degrees centigrade, may create a mini-black hole that could tear the earth apart.

Scientists involved in the project have dismissed the fears as "absurd" and insist that extensive safety assessments on the 17 mile long particle accelerator have demonstrated that it is safe.

The legal battle comes as the European Nuclear Research Centre (CERN), in Geneva, prepares to send the first beam of particles around the machine at the official switch on, on September 10, although it will be several weeks before the first particles are collided together.

Opponents of the project had hoped to obtain an injunction from the European Court of Human Rights that would block the collider from being turned on at all, but the court rejected the application on Friday morning. However, the court will rule on allegations that the experiment violates the right to life under the European Convention of Human Rights.

Professor Otto Rössler, a German chemist at the Eberhard Karls University of Tübingen who is one of the most vocal opponents of the LHC and was one of the scientists who submitted the complaint to the court, said: "CERN itself has admitted that mini black holes could be created when the particles collide, but they don't consider this a risk.

"My own calculations have shown that it is quite plausible that these little black holes survive and will grow exponentially and eat the planet from the inside. I have been calling for CERN to hold a safety conference to prove my conclusions wrong but they have not been willing.

"We submitted this application to the European Court of Human Rights as we do not believe the scientists at CERN are taking all the precautions they should be in order to protect human life."

Professor Rössler claims that, in the worst case scenario, the earth could be sucked inside out within four years of a mini black hole forming.

The case he and his colleagues have put before the European Court of Human Rights argues that the Large Hadron Collider violates the right to life and right to private family life under the European Convention of Human Rights

It sets out a series of arguments that suggest the collider could produce mini black holes that would permanently come into existence and grow uncontrollably.

But a safety report published earlier this year by experts at CERN and reviewed by a group of external scientists gave the Large Hadron Collider the all clear. It concluded that there was little theoretical chance of the collider producing mini black holes that would be capable of posing a danger to the earth.

It stated that nature routinely produces higher energy collisions on the earth than will be possible in the collider, when cosmic rays hit the planet

But the CERN facility is already facing a second lawsuit filed by environmentalists in Hawaii who are seeking a court order that would force the US government to intervene and delay the start up of the collider. That case is due to be heard on Tuesday.

Large particle colliders have been used by scientists to smash atoms and pieces of atoms together for more than thirty years without causing any noticeable harm to the plThis latest machine, however, has attracted such attention because it is the largest and most powerful ever constructed. Built 300ft beneath the French Swiss border, it will fire atomic particles around its 17 mile circumference, 11,245 times every second before smashing them headlong into each other.

The result will, for a split second, replicate the conditions that existed in the moments immediately after the birth of the universe, known as the Big Bang. In a space a billion times smaller than a speck of dust, the collisions will create temperatures 100,000 times hotter than the centre of the sun.

Among the debris thrown off by these collisions, scientists hope they will find the elusive Higgs-Boson, which is thought to be responsible for giving every other particle its mass, or weight.

But scientists admit it could be years before they start producing any meaningful results due to the challenges involved in detecting such tiny and fleeting particles.

James Gillies, spokesman for CERN, insisted that despite the huge amounts of energy the Large Hadron Collider will produce, it posed no risk to the safety of the planet.

He said: "The case before the European Court of Human Rights contains the same arguments that we have seen before and we have answered these in extensive safety reports.

The Large Hadron Collider will not be producing anything that does not already happen routinely in nature due to cosmic rays. If they were dangerous we would know about it already.

"We are now concentrating on firing the first beams around the collider and then on fine tuning it until we can get collisions, when the science will start."

A spokesman for the European Court of Human Rights confirmed the lawsuit had been lodged and the petition to obtain an emergency injunction against CERN was rejected. She said: "There will therefore be no bar to CERN carrying out these experiments but the applicants can continue with this case here at the ECHR."

Legal bid to stop CERN atom smasher from 'destroying the world' - Telegraph
  • Profile picture of the author myob
    When the first atomic bomb was being tested, under the direction of physicist Robert Oppenheimer in the Manhattan Project, no one really knew the effects their creation would have. In fact, the observers set up betting pools on the results of the test. Predictions ranged from zero, a complete dud, to 18 kilotons of TNT (predicted by physicist I. I. Rabi, who won the bet), to destruction of the state of New Mexico, to ignition of the atmosphere and incineration of the entire planet.

    During his visit to Japan in 1960 and seeing the destruction his creation had caused Robert Oppenheimer said,

    We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita. Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says, "Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds." I suppose we all thought that, one way or another.

    Anyone want to place their bets on the destruction of the world again?
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      • Profile picture of the author myob
        Harvey,

        She puts up posts like this all the time. Seems she has nothing to do but get her kicks trying to scare the hell out of people. All you can do is just laugh at her antics.
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        • Profile picture of the author HeySal
          LOL.....but consider, guys...................

          I can't speak for all scripture, but in Christian scripture it is written that the first sin was involved with picking friut from the tree of knowledge.

          Wouldn't it just be the ultimate parodox for us to end in the process of turning the key to the door of the beginning?

          What if we just weren't meant to know?

          Not harping religion, as I don't really believe in organized religion, just some stuff for the cyderblock. Okay - we know the science - philosophically I find it absolutely astounding.
          Devotedly Christian people are probably going into vapors by now over it.

          The answers that can be ours. How it started. Would we prove a God? Would we disprove a God? Maybe even just know a God? Would the answer we get be the construction or would it bring us to understanding of the purpose as well?

          Can we know this without dying to find out? Throughout religions most scriptures insist that we only know so much in this form. Have we mistaken the proscription to be command when, in fact, it was meant as a mere statement of fact?

          This is the most profound experiment science has ever had the ability to make and it is being made at a time we are adrift with madmen at the helm.

          So, okay. I am just profoundly astounded.
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          • Profile picture of the author valerieSONORA
            I'm all for the world being destroyed.

            I'm not scared of death, I believe its the beginning.
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            • Profile picture of the author HeySal
              If death is the beginning, what are ya doing now? I never wanted to wait around to find out so I just started on my own. It gets very boring waiting if you don't. I don't know what the beginning was - hope it doesn't kill us to find out. For now I just keep becoming and will just continue to do so afterwords if the Egyptians had it figured out correctly.
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              • Profile picture of the author valerieSONORA
                Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

                If death is the beginning, what are ya doing now? I never wanted to wait around to find out so I just started on my own. It gets very boring waiting if you don't. I don't know what the beginning was - hope it doesn't kill us to find out. For now I just keep becoming and will just continue to do so afterwords if the Egyptians had it figured out correctly.
                Life is prison
                Death is freedom
                :p
                What am I doing now? Just living in this prison until I get released. I think after death is when the good stuff starts. So I can't count this life. And I don't recommend just "waiting". Yeah that is boring. Doing useful stuff in the meantime is good.
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                    Originally Posted by Wild Boom View Post

                    I dont get why other people get the choice, whats important to me and the rest of the world. I couldnt careless about this quantum sh*t. And after reading myob's post I know why I feel this way.

                    The explanations you gave there was more a long rant of self-serve. I didnt understand squat-and I didnt see that rant ending any time soon. I bet You(he) could go on for a good half an hour.

                    Next time try to explain things so normal folks understand, or maybe this experiment is not for the little guys to get concerned. Bahhh

                    Over intelligent people is fun to watch.

                    ALl this is is something that is important to a few hundred, bunch of mad-scientists, with mega huge brains and egoistical-selfs.


                    You all a bunch of Ill f**ks following this Devilish's childs.
                    Wild Boom,

                    We have all become the beneficiaries of myriads of things that we don't understand.
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            • Profile picture of the author myob
              I think that the chance of discovering the Higgs-Boson particle is worth the risk of the destruction of the world. You see, The Higgs boson is a hypothesised particle which, if it exists, would give the mechanism by which particles acquire mass.

              Peter Higgs has a model in which particle masses arise in a beautiful, but complex, progression. He starts with a particle that has only mass, and no other characteristics, such as charge, that distinguish particles from empty space. We can call his particle H. H interacts with other particles; for example if H is near an electron, there is a force between the two. H is of a class of particles called "bosons". We first attempt a more precise, but non-mathematical statement of the point of the model; then we give explanatory pictures.

              In the mathematics of quantum mechanics describing creation and annihilation of elementary particles, as observed at accelerators, particles at particular points arise from "fields" spread over space and time. Higgs found that parameters in the equations for the field associated with the particle H can be chosen in such a way that the lowest energy state of that field (empty space) is one with the field not zero. It is surprising that the field is not zero in empty space, but the result, not an obvious one, is: all particles that can interact with H gain mass from the interaction.

              Thus mathematics links the existence of H to a contribution to the mass of all particles with which H interacts. A picture that corresponds to the mathematics is of the lowest energy state, "empty" space, having a crown of H particles with no energy of their own. Other particles get their masses by interacting with this collection of zero-energy H particles. The mass (or inertia or resistance to change in motion) of a particle comes from its being "grabbed at" by Higgs particles when we try and move it.

              If particles no get their masses from interacting with the empty space Higgs field, then the Higgs particle must exist; but we can't be certain without finding the Higgs. We have other hints about the Higgs; for example, if it exists, it plays a role in "unifying" different forces. However, we believe that nature could contrive to get the results that would flow from the Higgs in other ways. In fact, proving the Higgs particle does not exist would be scientifically every bit as valuable as proving it does.

              These questions, the mechanisms by which particles get their masses, and the relationship amongs different forces of nature, are major ones and so basic to having an understanding of the constituents of matter and the forces among them, that it is hard to see how we can make significant progress in our understanding of the stuff of which the earth is made without answering them. Hope that clears it all up.
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              • Profile picture of the author HeySal
                On cue, Paul. Looks like quantums has you foaming a bit, eh? They will also be able to go back mathematically to the infintesibly small fraction of a second of the big bang that they have never been able to permeate before. That means they will understand the intial blast....as well as very possibly the make up of existance before the bang.

                Ya know, to me, personally - I think it's worth it, too. At least it's a noble way to end....If Bush's space holographic alien invasion is all the better entertainment we have to look forward to in the alternative, I don't think we are risking all that much.
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                Originally Posted by myob View Post

                I think that the chance of discovering the Higgs-Boson particle is worth the risk of the destruction of the world. You see, The Higgs boson is a hypothesised particle which, if it exists, would give the mechanism by which particles acquire mass.

                Peter Higgs has a model in which particle masses arise in a beautiful, but complex, progression. He starts with a particle that has only mass, and no other characteristics, such as charge, that distinguish particles from empty space. We can call his particle H. H interacts with other particles; for example if H is near an electron, there is a force between the two. H is of a class of particles called "bosons". We first attempt a more precise, but non-mathematical statement of the point of the model; then we give explanatory pictures.

                In the mathematics of quantum mechanics describing creation and annihilation of elementary particles, as observed at accelerators, particles at particular points arise from "fields" spread over space and time. Higgs found that parameters in the equations for the field associated with the particle H can be chosen in such a way that the lowest energy state of that field (empty space) is one with the field not zero. It is surprising that the field is not zero in empty space, but the result, not an obvious one, is: all particles that can interact with H gain mass from the interaction.

                Thus mathematics links the existence of H to a contribution to the mass of all particles with which H interacts. A picture that corresponds to the mathematics is of the lowest energy state, "empty" space, having a crown of H particles with no energy of their own. Other particles get their masses by interacting with this collection of zero-energy H particles. The mass (or inertia or resistance to change in motion) of a particle comes from its being "grabbed at" by Higgs particles when we try and move it.

                If particles no get their masses from interacting with the empty space Higgs field, then the Higgs particle must exist; but we can't be certain without finding the Higgs. We have other hints about the Higgs; for example, if it exists, it plays a role in "unifying" different forces. However, we believe that nature could contrive to get the results that would flow from the Higgs in other ways. In fact, proving the Higgs particle does not exist would be scientifically every bit as valuable as proving it does.

                These questions, the mechanisms by which particles get their masses, and the relationship amongs different forces of nature, are major ones and so basic to having an understanding of the constituents of matter and the forces among them, that it is hard to see how we can make significant progress in our understanding of the stuff of which the earth is made without answering them. Hope that clears it all up.
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                  Originally Posted by Glenn Newsome View Post

                  Now I remember why I didn't care too much for school
                  Back to work now.
                  You don't have to do well at school to benefit from the discoveries made by science. Similar criticism was made for the space program. Christopher Columbus even had the silly idea of sailing West to arrive in the East and the Orient trade routes. There were concerns his ships would be swallowed and destroyed. Some fears are genuine of course, but there are special interest groups that have their own agenda by generating false hysteria. That is not what science is about.

                  "We are simultaneously participants and bystanders, which is a puzzling role to play. As participants, we have no choice in the matter; this is what we do as a species. It would seem to me an offense against nature, for us to come on the same scene endowed as we are with the curiosity, filled to overbrimming as we are with questions, and naturally talented as we are for the asking clear questions, and then for us to do nothing about it, or worse, to try to suppress the questions. -Lewis Thomas (1913-1993)

                  The benefits we enjoy today by the brave early explorers are history. And the benefits we have as a direct result of the much-criticized space program are common now in our every day lives today:

                  TV Satellite Dish
                  NASA developed ways to correct errors in the signals coming from the spacecraft. This technology is used to reduce noise (that is, messed up picture or sound) in TV signals coming from satellites.

                  MRI Medical Imaging
                  NASA developed ways to process signals from spacecraft to produce clearer images. This technology also makes possible these photo-like images of our insides.

                  Vision Screening System
                  Uses techniques developed for processing space pictures to examine eyes of children and find out quickly if they have any vision problems. The child doesn't have to say a word!

                  Ear Thermometer
                  Instead of measuring temperature using a column of mercury (which expands as it heats up), this thermometer has a lens like a camera and detects infrared energy, which we feel as heat. The warmer something is (like your body), the more infrared energy it puts out. This technology was originally developed to detect the birth of stars.

                  Fire Fighter Equipment
                  Fire fighters wear suits made of fire resistant fabric developed for use in space suits.

                  Smoke Detector
                  First used in the Earth orbiting space station called Skylab (launched back in 1973) to help detect any toxic vapors. Now used in most homes and other buildings to warn people of fire.

                  Sun Tiger Glasses
                  From research done on materials to protect the eyes of welders working on spacecraft, protective lenses were developed that block almost all the wavelengths of radiation that might harm the eyes, while letting through all the useful wavelengths that let us see.

                  Automobile Design Tools
                  A computer program developed by NASA to analyze a spacecraft or airplane design and predict how parts will perform is now used to help design automobiles. This kind of software can save car makers a lot of money by letting them see how well a design will work even before they build a prototype.

                  Cordless Tools
                  Portable, self-contained power tools were originally developed to help Apollo astronauts drill for moon samples. This technology has lead to development of such tools as the cordless vacuum cleaner, power drill, shrub trimmers, and grass shears.

                  Aerodynamic Bicycle Wheel
                  A special bike wheel uses NASA research in airfoils (wings) and design software developed for the space program. The three spokes on the wheel act like wings, making the bicycle very efficient for racing.

                  Thermal Gloves and Boots
                  These gloves and boots have heating elements that run on rechargeable batteries worn on the inside wrist of the gloves or embedded in the sole of the ski boot. This technology was adapted from a spacesuit design for the Apollo astronauts.

                  Space Pens
                  The Fisher Space Pen was developed for use in space. Most pens depend on gravity to make the ink flow into the ball point. For this space pen, the ink cartridge contains pressured gas to push the ink toward the ball point. That means, you can lie in bed and write upside down with this pen! Also, it uses a special ink that works in very hot and very cold environments.

                  Shock Absorbing Helmets
                  These special football helmets use a padding of Temper Foam, a shock absorbing material first developed for use in aircraft seats. These helmets have three times the shock absorbing ability of previous types.

                  Ski Boots
                  These ski boots use accordion-like folds, similar to the design of space suits, to allow the boot to flex without distortion, yet still give support and control for precision skiing.

                  Failsafe Flashlight
                  This flashlight uses NASA's concept of system redundancy, which is always having a backup for the parts of the spacecraft with the most important jobs. This flashlight has an extra-bright primary bulb and an independent backup system that has its own separate lithium battery (also a NASA developed technology) and its own bulb.

                  Dental braces - Invisible Braces
                  These teeth-straightening braces use brackets that are made of a nearly invisible translucent (almost see-through) ceramic material. This material is a spinoff of NASA's advanced ceramic research to develop new, tough materials for spacecraft and aircraft.

                  Joystick Controllers
                  Joystick controllers are used for lots of things now, including computer games and vehicles for people with disabilities. These devices evolved from research to develop a controller for the Apollo Lunar Rover, and from other NASA research into how humans actually operate (called "human factors").

                  Plastic bottle, Advanced Plastics
                  Spacecraft and other electronics need very special, low-cost materials as the base for printed circuits (like those inside your computer). Some of these "liquid crystal polymers" have turned out to be very good, low-cost materials for making containers for foods and beverages.

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                  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
                    Yeah - but all that is offset by TANG which would probably be gone from the shelfs as should be if the astronauts didn't drink it and promote it.
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          Originally Posted by myob View Post

          Harvey,

          She puts up posts like this all the time. Seems she has nothing to do but get her kicks trying to scare the hell out of people. All you can do is just laugh at her antics.
          Oh yeah?
          I am laughing at your over-inflated ego.
          Everybody on earth knows what a genius you are.
          You're the infamous one who missed out on the Nobel Prize by so little.
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          • Profile picture of the author HeySal
            Originally Posted by ConcordeWarrior View Post

            Oh yeah?
            I am laughing at your over-inflated ego.
            Everybody on earth knows what a genius you are.
            You're the infamous one who missed out on the Nobel Prize by so little.
            Relax - I think he was just joking around. His humor is dry enough to put a perfect
            martini to shame.

            And his explanation only touched on the scientific adventure of this experiment - and did so quite clearly and succinctly. It is no one's fault buy your own if you didn't understand it. I am just glad you aren't from America. We have an election going on and I would like to think people care a bit more about being able to think about and understand issues before they flame them. The thought of people who hold your views about knowledge holding a vote share is frightening.
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            • Profile picture of the author Phnx
              Well what I think is extremely groovy is that it will be at full capacity in 4 years, which just happens to be....2012. :p

              *Twilight Zone music
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              • Profile picture of the author myob
                Originally Posted by Phnx View Post

                Well what I think is extremely groovy is that it will be at full capacity in 4 years, which just happens to be....2012. :p

                *Twilight Zone music
                If the world is going to be destroyed, here is the only person that can do it by 2012. Remember the name Roland Emmerich, and be very very AFRAID.

                Roland Emmerich Will Destroy the World in 2012
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              ConcordeWarrior

              Thanks for your compliments. I did not realize that I was an infamous genius and came so close to getting the Nobel Prize. You simply cut and paste, but I was simply trying to unleash creative powers within you. There must be a particle of intelligence within you, and someday it may be discovered. Every grand achievement by mankind came with great risks, and the world is the better or the worse for it. You my dear, take great risks by posting here, and should be able to accept those risks as well. After all, its not the end of the world.

              Sal - I wasn't joking - much.
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      • Profile picture of the author Phnx
        Originally Posted by HarveyJ View Post

        Sorry, but where the hell have you been for the last 6 months?

        This news is amazingly old. The legal challenge failed as all previous atom-smashers combined (and there are a few dozen now) have failed to destroy the planet yet, and the statistical likelihood that this one will is has a few zeroes AFTER the decimal point, and before the first digit.
        Are you sure this isn't another one? IIRC the last one used the American courts and got thrown out, this one is using the European Court Of Human Rights (makes more sense as CERN is European) and is described as a "last ditch attempt". It's also reported in some of todays newspapers.

        So either the newspapers are recycling, or the same fella has decided to have another bash at stopping them. Or is it a different guy?
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          • Profile picture of the author ecoverartist
            People tried to stop mankind from flying too, because they thought "if man were meant to fly, he would have been created with wings..."

            Same idea goes for the atom smasher. If we weren't meant to find out what happens, we never would've been given the capacity to even think about black holes and strangelets and quantum quarks!
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            Originally Posted by HarveyJ View Post

            Being able to detect the HiggsBoson, and therefore the properties of mass, are the founding steps to things like manipulating mass, and therefore gravity...
            Oh we've already cracked the antigravity thing. "They" are just keeping it quiet for reasons best known to themselves. As it goes hand in hand with "free energy" then it's not hard to see why. Allegedly many of the UFOs spotted are ours. Check out Bruce L. Cathies work - in fact there is a movie based on his research due out this month (or maybe November), called appropriately enough, AntiGravity

            A synopsis pic:

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            • Profile picture of the author myob
              That's true. Gravity is a myth - the Earth sucks.

              Let me try to explain it without going into all the techy - science details. You can free yourself from gravity by giving in to it in a trancendental way. You only ever experience gravity when you resist it. As you sit in a chair reading this, the chair pushes back against you as gravity pulls you down. You can literally feel gravity in the "seat of your pants".

              If you simply "give in" completely to gravity (by skydiving for instance) then during that period you are effectively free of its experience (because there is nothing to push back on you while you are falling). The earth is sucking you in. Gravity takes over only if your parachute doesn't open.
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              • Profile picture of the author Phnx
                This is so delicious I had to post it. C'mon don't tell me this isn't teh cool!

                Cheerfully nicked from another forum:

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                The statue of the Indian deity Shiva at CERN was unveiled by His Excellency K M Chandrasekhar (seated), Anil Kakodkar (left) and Robert Aymar (centre).

                The statue is a gift from India, celebrating CERN's long association with India which started in the 1960's and continues strongly today. Unveiled at June 18, 2004.

                The statue of Lord Shiva at CERN




                "...now I am become Death [Shiva], the destroyer of worlds..."


                Man I love this stuff!
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                • Profile picture of the author HeySal
                  So CERN has the statue of God the World Destroyer there? Somehow that is not a comforting thought, ya know?
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                  • Profile picture of the author Phnx
                    Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

                    So CERN has the statue of God the World Destroyer there? Somehow that is not a comforting thought, ya know?
                    I know! I had no idea. Of all the images/gods to pick. *gobsmacked*

                    Bloody hell.
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                        In Hunduism, Shiva is the creator and destroyer of worlds. There is a remarkable correlation between quantum physics and Hinduism, of which the director of the Manhatten Project physicist Robert Oppenheimer was intrigued. In particular was the Hindu statue of Shiva eternally creating and destroying the universe while dancing on the back of the ignorant ego.

                        Einstein's famous equation E=MC2 led to the discovery of unlocking the secrets for the atomic bomb. Einstein's theory implies that energy and matter are of the same substance at a different energy levels, just as water and steam. In other words, matter and energy are interchangeable - never destroyed. This is the same basic the Hindus have in their understanding of the Cosmos. When the atomic bomb was successfully deployed, and ended the war with Japan, Robert Oppenheimer toured both cities in Japan where the atomic bombs were dropped and was overcome with its terrible destruction. He said "... Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds."

                        A cosmic dance is ongoing throughout the universe where worlds are being destroyed and created in repeating cycles being orchestrated by the Hindu supreme god Shiva, according to Hindi traditions. With the Hubble telescope and other modern tools we are now able to observe both the formation and destruction of stars in various stages of their birth and death.

                        Robert Oppenheimer compared Shiva the Hindu supreme God of the universe who orchestrates the Cosmic dance, to the so called God-particle in physics, because both lie outside the reaches of our natural bound senses. This theoretical God particle, called the Higgs-Boson particle, is believed to be the key that holds the universe together by giving mass to all subatomic matter. The correlation becomes fundamental to this discovery in CERN, that we become as God by discovering this particle which also lies outside the reaches of our natural bound senses. A small number of events were recorded by experiments at LEP collider at CERN to indicate the presence of this God particle (Higgs-Boson particle), but the test were inconclusive. This is why the much larger LHC (Large Hadron Collider) was built.

                        In the statue at CERN, Shiva is dancing on the back of the conscious, or ignorant ego, and bids welcome through the doorway to total knowledge - mastery of the universe as God.
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                          • Profile picture of the author myob
                            That COULD be a problem. But with the God particle, even Humpty Dumpty can be put back together again.
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                              The Large Hadron Collider Begins Testing on September 10

                              CERN will fire the first test beam through one of the particle accelerator's sectors.

                              A full-power beam will travel through the accelerator's entire 17 miles of tunnels, reaching up to 99.99 percent of the speed of light. And finally, assuming all goes well, the first real science experiments will begin some time in October.

                              Though the initial test beams won't be nearly as energetic as physicists hope subsequent beams will be, they mark an important milestone for the world's largest machine.

                              If it doesn't work, French scientists may use the LHC, which cost something like $10 billion and taken 12 years to build, as a super duper vintage wine authenticator.

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                                  I kinda like p-brane infinitely spliting universes philosophy myself, Paul. But the quantum idea that energy can't be extinguished, only converted sure makes me wonder why anyone with religious values could have it in for science. Isn't the fact that our mental energy (soul?) survives the body what they all insist is correct - now science says so too and they still are against science? Wow. And Marduke is laughing because we thought we were special.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author Phnx
                                    Haha these guys don't inspire confidence. You'd think they'd have anticipated stuff like this. Hope nothing major occurs that is "worse than anticipated".

                                    The Large Hadron Collider near Geneva will be out of action for at least two months, the European Organization for Nuclear Research (Cern) says.

                                    Part of the giant physics experiment was turned off for the weekend while engineers probed a magnet failure. But a Cern spokesman said damage to the £3.6bn ($6.6bn) particle accelerator was worse than anticipated.

                                    The LHC is built to smash protons together at huge speeds, recreating conditions moments after the Big Bang. Scientists hope it will shed light on fundamental questions in physics.

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                                    On Friday, a failure, known as a quench, caused around 100 of the LHC's super-cooled magnets to heat up by as much as 100C.

                                    The fire brigade were called out after a tonne of liquid helium leaked into the tunnel at Cern, near Geneva.

                                    Cern spokesman James Gillies said on Saturday that the sector that was damaged would have to be warmed up to above its operating temperature - of near absolute zero - so that repairs could be made, and then cooled down again.

                                    While he said there was never any danger to the public, Mr Gillies admitted that the breakdown would be costly.

                                    He said: "A full investigation is still under way but the most likely cause seems to be a faulty electrical connection between two of the magnets which probably melted, leading to a mechanical failure.

                                    "We're investigating and we can't really say more than that now.
                                    "But we do know that we will have to warm the machine up, make the repair, cool it down, and that's what brings you to two months of downtime for the LHC."

                                    Setback
                                    The first beams were fired successfully around the accelerator's 27km (16.7 miles) underground ring over a week ago.

                                    The crucial next step is to collide those beams head on. However, the fault appears to have ruled out any chance of these experiments taking place for the next two months at least.
                                    The quench occurred during final testing of the last of the LHC's electrical circuits to be commissioned.

                                    At 1127 (0927 GMT) on Friday, the LHC's online logbook recorded a quench in sector 3-4 of the accelerator, which lies between the Alice and CMS detectors.

                                    The entry stated that helium had been lost to the tunnel and that vacuum conditions had also been lost.

                                    The superconducting magnets in the LHC must be supercooled to 1.9 kelvin above absolute zero, to allow them to steer particle beams around the circuit.

                                    As a result of the quench, the temperature of about 100 of the magnets in the machine's final sector rose by around 100C.

                                    The setback came just a day after the LHC's beam was restored after engineers replaced a faulty transformer that had hindered progress for much of the past week.

                                    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7626944.stm
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                                    • Profile picture of the author myob
                                      GEE, thanks for regurgitating this again. The world is still not safe, however. Shiva, the creator and destroyer of worlds, must be captured.
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                              • Profile picture of the author zillionjokes.com
                                Originally Posted by myob View Post

                                The Large Hadron Collider Begins Testing on September 10

                                CERN will fire the first test beam through one of the particle accelerator's sectors.

                                A full-power beam will travel through the accelerator's entire 17 miles of tunnels, reaching up to 99.99 percent of the speed of light. And finally, assuming all goes well, the first real science experiments will begin some time in October.

                                Though the initial test beams won't be nearly as energetic as physicists hope subsequent beams will be, they mark an important milestone for the world's largest machine.

                                If it doesn't work, French scientists may use the LHC, which cost something like $10 billion and taken 12 years to build, as a super duper vintage wine authenticator.

                                Vintage Wine Authenticator



                                I am reminded of Dan Brown's The Da Vinci Code's prequel - 'Angels and Demons' wherein CERN is working on this very project. A good read.
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    Yoo , a pretty old topic and well as someone said the probability of it destroying earth is millions/billions time smaller than that a random meteor/comet would collide with us and destroy it and certainly smaller than that US/Russia lose their senses and start an allout nuke war .
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