Voyager1 Enters End Of Sun's Empire...

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On Thursday, scientists reported that, no, Voyager 1 still had not reached interstellar space,


...but it had entered a region that no one expected and no one can yet explain, a curious zone that is almost certainly the last layer of our Sun’s empire — technically speaking, the heliosphere.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/28/sc...edge.html?_r=0


  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Maybe NOT!

    As for actually reaching the outside of the solar system, Dr. Stone said, “it could be a few months, or it could be several more years.”
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      The distance between stars is unimaginable. At present speed (38,000 miles per hour) it will take about 80,000 years to reach our nearest star.

      Amazing stuff.
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      • Profile picture of the author Aussie_Al
        Love this stuff - thanks for posting
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      • Profile picture of the author Brandon Tanner
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        The distance between stars is unimaginable. At present speed (38,000 miles per hour) it will take about 80,000 years to reach our nearest star.

        Amazing stuff.
        That is simply mind-boggling, considering that the Voyager 1 can make a complete loop around the earth in about 45 minutes!
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Very interesting (Voyager 1).

    [source]
    Each Voyager space probe carries a gold-plated audio-visual disc in the event that either spacecraft is ever found by intelligent life-forms from other planetary systems.[12] The discs carry photos of the Earth and its lifeforms, a range of scientific information, spoken greetings from people (e.g. the Secretary-General of the United Nations and the President of the United States) and a medley, "Sounds of Earth", that includes the sounds of whales, a baby crying, waves breaking on a shore, and a collection of Earth music, including works by Mozart, Blind Willie Johnson, and Chuck Berry's "Johnny B. Goode".
    The thought of other life forms being able to comprehend the content on that gold disk is a bit disturbing. Could you imagine an intelligent life form more violent than the human race?
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Very interesting (Voyager 1).

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      The thought of other life forms being able to comprehend the content on that gold disk is a bit disturbing. Could you imagine an intelligent life form more violent than the human race?
      Our capacity for violence is what makes me feel that we aren't actually a life form that can be considered intelligent. I highly doubt that any lifeform out there that is able to translate that thing is likely to be as violent as we are...........at least to their own species. Who knows........we might just be cows to them. Stupid, self destructive, and excellent saute'd in a light sauce.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        Our capacity for violence is what makes me feel that we aren't actually a life form that can be considered intelligent. I highly doubt that any lifeform out there that is able to translate that thing is likely to be as violent as we are...........at least to their own species. Who knows........we might just be cows to them. Stupid, self destructive, and excellent saute'd in a light sauce.
        I hate to say it, but you're right. IWSSMM!

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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        Our capacity for violence is what makes me feel that we aren't actually a life form that can be considered intelligent. I highly doubt that any lifeform out there that is able to translate that thing is likely to be as violent as we are...........at least to their own species. Who knows........we might just be cows to them. Stupid, self destructive, and excellent saute'd in a light sauce.
        If a civilization had the technology to get here economically (meaning making the trip feasible) they would be so advanced that we would see them as gods. At the fastest speed we have ever gone in space,(the speed of this probe) it takes 80,000 years to get to the nearest star. Assuming we were pointed at the nearest star...which we are not.

        Intelligence has nothing to do with how violent we are. Our intelligence simply makes our survival easier. Intelligence just serves our needs...more territory, more power, more security..the structure of a society to help guarantee safety from enemies... The part of our brain that gives us rational thought is completely different from the parts that motivate us. That's why intelligent people do violent and destructive things.

        The "Cow" analogy might be closer to the truth than I want to think about.

        The probe that has our recordings on it? It will be hundreds of thousands of years before it ever gets close to another solar system. Maybe millions of years.
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      • Profile picture of the author lcombs
        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        Our capacity for violence is what makes me feel that we aren't actually a life form that can be considered intelligent. I highly doubt that any lifeform out there that is able to translate that thing is likely to be as violent as we are...........at least to their own species. Who knows........we might just be cows to them. Stupid, self destructive, and excellent saute'd in a light sauce.
        I agree.
        Can you imagine ETs first contact being with N. Korea?
        Or, Iran?
        The entire planet would be toast in about 2 minutes.
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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
          Not to worry.
          In a couple of hundred years The Enterprise will find it and bring it home.
          Hmmmm, didn't the Kligons, use one of these for target practice????

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        • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
          I would hope and suppose that any life form with the capacity to get here would be smarter with their toasting decisions.

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          Originally Posted by lcombs View Post

          I agree.
          Can you imagine ETs first contact being with N. Korea?
          Or, Iran?
          The entire planet would be toast in about 2 minutes.
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        • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
          Originally Posted by lcombs View Post

          I agree.
          Can you imagine ETs first contact being with N. Korea?
          Or, Iran?
          The entire planet would be toast in about 2 minutes.

          What if you were POTUS and Hubble has spotted a bunch of ships headed our way and they are near Saturn, and they will be here in about a month.

          What would you do if you were POTUS?

          Anybody care to offer their course of action?

          What would I do?

          If possible I'd try to make contact asap and I would also explode a nuke in outer space ahead of their path to Earth just to let them know that they ain't dealing with no band leaders.

          I don't care what their technology is, nukes matter - if we can shoot them into outer space.

          I'd continue to try to make contact to keep them as far away from Earth as possible.

          Then I'd also threaten to make the earth uninhabitable for anyone if they do not have peaceful intentions.

          I'll show them our history and then they might accept the bluff LOL.

          Question?

          Do I let the people of Earth know of the threat since we'll probably find out anyway?

          To be continued...

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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Very interesting (Voyager 1).

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      The thought of other life forms being able to comprehend the content on that gold disk is a bit disturbing. Could you imagine an intelligent life form more violent than the human race?
      The ALSO might be able to use some of the info to develop a good weapon.

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    • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
      The operative word here is intelligent. I think that, compared to many other species on the blue marble, the human animal is quite sedate.

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      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Could you imagine an intelligent life form more violent than the human race?
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  • Profile picture of the author lcombs
    Not to worry.
    In a couple of hundred years The Enterprise will find it and bring it home.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    I don't blame the people of the planet for what has happened here.

    I blame the oligarchs.

    Throughout history they have found many clever ways to use the rest of use to further their goals and most of the time it's been to use us to take someone elses' stuff and also nothing keeps the natives in check like a good war for distraction and decimation.

    IMHO, I think World War1 is a good example of the oligarchs using war to slow down human progress and to keep the natives in check.

    The frequent wars in Europe had slowed to a crawl and the industrial age promised to lead to much better living conditions for the masses.

    IMHO, there was no good reason for the war.

    A bunch of military posturing and maneuvering got out of hand that was sparked by the assassination of the Archduke of _____________ and was used as the excuse.

    Some say it was a war over the colonies and I wouldn't be surprised.

    The net result, human progress is slowed dramatically and a whole generation of Europeans were decimated.

    At one time in Europe, there was a code among the elite to severely limit damage to the upper classes during war.

    Oligarchs on both sides thought it was just another European war and when it was over the loser countries wouldn't have to pay dearly.

    But this time, the powers that be on the winning side changed the script and extracted heavy draconian concessions from the losing side that only set the stage for WW2.

    Yes, it's been a bloody little planet but I wouldn't put the blame of the population.

    Of course the population is not full of total innocents but IMHO the population has been the victims of the oligarchs.
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