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Should They Legalize Marijuana In All States

by craigslist
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I guess it's gonna happen eventually in all states, but am unsure. I know people that use it for medicinal purposes, and I guess it's the drug of choice now. Hey if they legalize it I'm sure they will tax it, but I don't know if my taxes will be effected or not. It will be a great business to get into if it's regulated right? This is a tough call.
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  • Profile picture of the author jaimegm
    This is my opinion.
    I think Marijuana and every drug must be legalized in all the states and all the world, they are as good or as bad as Alcohol, tobacco or coffee and is everyone's responsibility its intake.
    Just remember what happened when alcohol was banned at the beginnings of 1900, check what is happening with the drugs Cartels in Mexico and Colombia.
    Now let me give you statistical data, in Holland drugs are legal, in Spain they are illegal, and a sample showed that there were less local consumption in Holland than Spain.
    In other hand it is not nice, I don't like it, but is worse to banned it.
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    • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
      Originally Posted by jaimegm View Post

      This is my opinion.
      I think Marijuana and every drug must be legalized in all the states and all the world, they are as good or as bad as Alcohol, tobacco or coffee and is everyone's responsibility its intake.

      You got to be out of your mind! In my younger days I did enjoy a little pot now and then but to say all drugs which would include mind altering drugs such as LSD, highly addictive drugs such as cocaine, crack, meth and heroin should be legal is simply absurd.
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        Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

        You got to be out of your mind! In my younger days I did enjoy a little pot now and then but to say all drugs which would include mind altering drugs such as LSD, highly addictive drugs such as cocaine, crack, meth and heroin should be legal is simply absurd.
        How has keeping them illegal done anything to curtail their use?
        I'll answer that for you, it hasn't.
        Why should you be "allowed" the freedom to decide if you will drink alcohol or not or smoke tobacco or not , but not have that same freedom with other drugs?
        Doesn't alcohol alter the mind of the user? Doesn't smoking tobacco effect the users health?

        I'll assume you don't take crack, meth, or heroin.
        Do you not take them because they are illegal or because you perceive them to be dangerous drugs?
        If they where legal would you then take them?
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        • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
          Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

          How has keeping them illegal done anything to curtail their use?

          It doesn't curtail them at all but it dosen't mean they should be legal.


          Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

          Doesn't smoking tobacco effect the users health?

          Yes it does, but I don't go out and steal when I don't have a cigarette!


          Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

          I'll assume you don't take crack, meth, or heroin.
          Do you not take them because they are illegal or because you perceive them to be dangerous drugs?
          Because they are not only dangerous to the user but also to the general public when a hype needs his next fix.



          Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

          If they where legal would you then take them?
          Nope, there is no place in my book for them.
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          • Profile picture of the author ThomM
            Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

            1.It doesn't curtail them at all but it dosen't mean they should be legal.





            2.Yes it does, but I don't go out and steal when I don't have a cigarette!




            3.Because they are not only dangerous to the user but also to the general public when a hype needs his next fix.





            4.Nope, there is no place in my book for them.
            I'll reply to each of your statements
            1.You admit the drug laws don't work, but we should still have them, why? You do realize that just like when alcohol was illegal all the laws really do is increase violence and promote drug cartels.
            2. Neither do the majority of drug users. When a person can't afford to buy cannabis, they simply do without. If all drug users where thieves, then the crime rate would be astronomical. Keep in mind you live, work, and associate with drug users every day. How many have stolen something from you to support their habit?
            3. That statement shows a lack of knowledge about drugs and drug users. The majority are fully functioning members of society with families and jobs, just like you. The number of actual addicts is small compared to casual users.
            4. If there is no place in your book for them, do you really think things would change for you if they where legal?

            Just curious, do you take any legal drugs like tobacco, alcohol, or prescription medications? If so you are showing a double standard. Just because the drugs you and/or your family does are legal doesn't give you or anyone else the right to claim that the drugs that are currently illegal should remain so.
            Why do you think that you or anyone else has the right to tell another person what they can put in their body?
            Alcohol kills, injures, and effects the health of as many people if not more then illegal drugs on a daily basis. What is your justification for it being legal.
            Tobacco is the same.
            Prescription medications kill more people then illegal drugs, yet they are legal. I'm talking about prescription drugs that are legally prescribed by a doctor.
            There are many things that are legal that have the same potential for harm as illegal drugs.
            Consider this. Nobody in the history of the world has died from an overdose of cannabis. Can you say the same about alcohol?
            If you don't like illegal drugs, that's fine. Imposing your beliefs on others is not.
            Here's a little reading for you on death from drugs. Notice more people die from pharmaceutical drugs then from illegal ones.
            http://gizmodo.com/5995305/what-kind...he-most-people
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            • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
              Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

              2. Neither do the majority of drug users. When a person can't afford to buy cannabis, they simply do without. If all drug users where thieves, then the crime rate would be astronomical. Keep in mind you live, work, and associate with drug users every day. How many have stolen something from you to support their habit?



              I never said that cannabis should be illegal, I was talking about hard drugs.



              Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

              3. That statement shows a lack of knowledge about drugs and drug users.



              Oh contraire mon frere! In my past I have smoked pot, snorted coke, snorted speed, taken acid, smoked hash, ate mushrooms. Never did crack, heroine or meth.

              I didn't really want to put this info out there but I do know about drugs from my past experiences and those of some of my peers.





              Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

              Just curious, do you take any legal drugs like tobacco, alcohol, or prescription medications? If so you are showing a double standard. Just because the drugs you and/or your family does are legal doesn't give you or anyone else the right to claim that the drugs that are currently illegal should remain so.
              Why do you think that you or anyone else has the right to tell another person what they can put in their body?
              Alcohol kills, injures, and effects the health of as many people if not more then illegal drugs on a daily basis. What is your justification for it being legal.
              Tobacco is the same.
              Prescription medications kill more people then illegal drugs, yet they are legal. I'm talking about prescription drugs that are legally prescribed by a doctor.
              There are many things that are legal that have the same potential for harm as illegal drugs.
              Consider this. Nobody in the history of the world has died from an overdose of cannabis. Can you say the same about alcohol?
              If you don't like illegal drugs, that's fine. Imposing your beliefs on others is not.
              Here's a little reading for you on death from drugs. Notice more people die from pharmaceutical drugs then from illegal ones.



              I know that alcohol kills and I would rather see pot being legal before alcohol, the problem I have is when a junkie that takes meth, crack or heroine and puts other peoples lives in jeopardy to support their habit.
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              • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

                I never said that cannabis should be illegal, I was talking about hard drugs.








                Oh contraire mon frere! In my past I have smoked pot, snorted coke, snorted speed, taken acid, smoked hash, ate mushrooms. Never did crack, heroine or meth.

                I didn't really want to put this info out there but I do know about drugs from my past experiences and those of some of my peers.










                I know that alcohol kills and I would rather see pot being legal before alcohol, the problem I have is when a junkie that takes meth, crack or heroine and puts other peoples lives in jeopardy to support their habit.
                The past is the past. Like the link I posted pointed out. More deaths are caused by pharmaceutical drugs then all illegal drugs combined.
                In the past I've also done all those drugs you mentioned and more.
                I've also know meth, crack, and heroin addicts, hell I was a meth addict for all of 71 and a good part of 72. Myself or any other addicts I knew ever harmed anyone or stole anything to support our habits.

                Besides look what has happened in Portugal just 5 years after they decriminalize drug use. By the way when they came up with this plan the people responsible where told the only thing off the table was complete legalization, why? Because our government threatened them with trade sanctions and embargoes if they even considered legalization. http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...riminalization
                The point being when you take away the criminal aspect of drug use you open the door to what can actually be a better control of the drug problem. The addicts no longer need to hide and they can get help without the fear of prison. They can learn how to either drop or control their habit
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        Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

        You got to be out of your mind! In my younger days I did enjoy a little pot now and then but to say all drugs which would include mind altering drugs such as LSD, highly addictive drugs such as cocaine, crack, meth and heroin should be legal is simply absurd.
        First of all, to put "mind altering" drugs in the same category as addictive ones is a mistake. These type of substances have a long tradition of use in native cultures for spiritual purposes. There is still research being done that proves they can be beneficial in many ways.

        http://www.realitysandwich.com/moder...delic_research

        Even when it comes to drugs that are mostly harmful, such as heroin, cocaine, meth, crack, etc. it doesn't do any good to criminalize them. It just makes it more profitable to sell them.

        The drug war is more about the profits of the law enforcement-prison industry than about keeping people safe and healthy. When it comes to psychedelics, it's also about preventing people from evolving and expanding their minds. Not that they can really do this, but they can try.
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    • Profile picture of the author serryjw
      I want to decriminalize ALL drugs EXCEPT Meth. People get off of heroin. I have never seen anyone get off of Meth. It is too easy to make and it ruins neighborhoods.
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      • Profile picture of the author ThomM
        Originally Posted by serryjw View Post

        I want to decriminalize ALL drugs EXCEPT Meth. People get off of heroin. I have never seen anyone get off of Meth. It is too easy to make and it ruins neighborhoods.
        I did. So did many of my friends.
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          REALLY????
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          • Profile picture of the author ThomM
            Originally Posted by serryjw View Post

            REALLY????
            Yeah really. If you read my post further up I said I was a meth addict for a year and a half.
            Don't get me wrong, I think meth is THE worst drug you can do.
            I'll never know what kind of mental damage it did to me or if it did.
            And I certainly would not recommend it to anyone.
            But on the other hand my experience with meth and other drugs gave me first hand knowledge that I was able to share with my kids and through my experiences prevent them from trying many of the drugs that I did. I was also very fortunate that I was able to quit meth cold turkey with no withdrawals. In fact what got me to quit was a by product of the drug. Hearing voices when on meth is very common. One day I shot up a spoon of crystal and instead of getting a rush or a high I heard a voice. It said if I ever did that again I would die. For years I was afraid to even drink a cup of coffee. Now I drink coffee but that is the strongest stimulant I'll take.
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            • Profile picture of the author serryjw
              Thom...never forget how blessed you are to get clean. I think you are one of the lucky ones. NOT an easy thing to do. Am I correct that it is the most addictive?
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              • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                Originally Posted by serryjw View Post

                Thom...never forget how blessed you are to get clean. I think you are one of the lucky ones. NOT an easy thing to do. Am I correct that it is the most addictive?
                Personally I thick tobacco is more addictive, but that's the only drug I've done and not been able to quit
                I was able to quit every other drug I was addicted to easily, even alcohol when I decide to stop. I feel I am not only blessed to be able to quit them, but also because I was able to make the decision to quit before they ruined or ended my life.
                I've always thought there is a purpose for some things that happen.
                Maybe the hell I was in while on meth prevented someone else from doing it. I know my talk with my girls about my past drug use was an influence on them.
                Though I know many people who have done a variety of drugs and survived to be good people, there are also those I knew who didn't make it.

                My main reason for saying drugs should be legal is really a simple one.
                I don't believe one human has the right or authority to control another humans life. If what you want to do doesn't harm another person or their property, then you should be able to do it. If you do something that harms another or their property then be punished for causing that harm.
                If you do, say, heroin and sit home nodding watching tv, fine. If you steal from someone to buy your heroin, then be punished for stealing.
                If I'm your friend and don't like what you are doing I can tell you and try to talk you out of it. I cannot force you to stop though.
                If you have children then you are responsible for their care and upbringing. If you are doing drugs and that interferes with your duties to your children then your drug use is causing harm to another.
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                • Profile picture of the author serryjw
                  Thom, I am a libertarian. I agree 100%. You stopped when you were ready. Fortunately it was in time to give you a life. I can't 'make' you stop. I also agree that you should be held responsible for breaking the law you break, not the drugs.
                  YES!!...stopping smoking is a bitch...I REALLY do like it.
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                  • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                    Originally Posted by serryjw View Post

                    Thom, I am a libertarian. I agree 100%. You stopped when you were ready. Fortunately it was in time to give you a life. I can't 'make' you stop. I also agree that you should be held responsible for breaking the law you break, not the drugs.
                    YES!!...stopping smoking is a bitch...I REALLY do like it.
                    Me too
                    What kills me the most about cigs. is my father. When he was alive almost every time he'd see me smoking a cig he'd tell me about how he quit. He said he smoked three packs a day and when the doctor told him to quit he threw his pack in the trash and hadn't wanted one sense
                    On the other hand if you tried to take away his glass of beer at dinner, you would have a fight on your hands
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                    • Profile picture of the author serryjw
                      OMG, almost the same. My mom stopped, cold turkey, 5 years before I started at a college fraternity party. TWO cigs, 30 minutes of coughing, and I was hooked.
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  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
    Originally Posted by craigslist View Post

    I guess it's gonna happen eventually in all states, but am unsure. I know people that use it for medicinal purposes, and I guess it's the drug of choice now. Hey if they legalize it I'm sure they will tax it, but I don't know if my taxes will be effected or not. It will be a great business to get into if it's regulated right? This is a tough call.
    Nobody ever died from a Marijuana overdose. Nobody's is addicted to it (although lots of people like it). Tobacco is at least as harmful, alcohol is far more harmful.

    Legalizing it make sense. I've only tried it a couple of times, and it was no big deal. It's not a tough call for me at all. If it were legal, I still wouldn't be interested in it. But I don't get why it's illegal.

    Here's a question; If heroin were legal (a completely different subject), would you use it? Neither would I.

    jaimegm had a sharp thought. For most of these ideas, there really is an answer already. Countries where most drugs are legal aren't overrun with addicts. That's evidence.
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    • Profile picture of the author jaimegm
      Hi joseph7384
      Probably I am not making my point clear enough to you, Legalize does mean promote it, it does not mean share it, it does mean give it to everybody.
      When a child goes to the store and tries to buy buy cigarettes or Alcohol they are denied, that is the intention.

      In other hand Guns are Legal and that does not stop kids from killing each other and to make several other stupid things with them.

      BUT banning things creates an other world under control, generates corruption. Doctors don't know the right treatment for intoxication of some drugs, it creates a lot of murders due Cartels wars.

      If a drug is legalized and other not it is an eternal loop, for other drugs, it is and endless process with the same known results, that's why I said All drugs must be legalized, that is to be controlled, to be tracked, to know the real effects and to know the real cures for them.

      And last thing, I said I don't like them, but it's the solution that I see for long term.
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      • Profile picture of the author ThomM
        Legalize does mean promote it, it does not mean share it, it does mean give it to everybody.
        I would also add that it doesn't mean that a person committing a crime like theft or assault while doing a drug gets a free ride. A person under the influence of a drug no matter if it's alcohol, cannabis, or crack is still responsible for their actions. That's another area where I think those opposed to legalization tend to get it wrong. If a person on crack steals to support their habit, it's not the drugs fault. It's the person's fault. Blaming the drug is simply a cop out.
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        • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
          A heavy equipment operator with a lengthy rap sheet who is accused of being high on marijuana when a downtown building collapsed onto a thrift store, killing six people, surrendered Saturday to face charges in the deaths, police said.
          http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/201...ipment_op.html

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          • Profile picture of the author ThomM
            Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

            Here's another quote form the article.
            "He has been doing this for more than 13 years. He is very experienced. He has worked for a number of contractors throughout the region. All of the contractors have found him professional and found that he did his work with the highest regard for the safety of those around him."
            If you posted that as an example of cannabis being harmful or dangerous, it was a fail.
            Should he have been smoking on the job or before work, probably not. If he was and if that was the cause then his decision is the problem not the substance.
            But a toxicology report unless it was done immediately wouldn't prove he was high at the time. Plus there is only one type of test that can confirm he was high at the time and that's a blood test. All others only show possible use in the last 30 days.
            IF your using that as a reason for cannabis to continue to be illegal, then you should also be for making alcohol illegal, prescription drugs illegal and tobacco illegal. And on and on.
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          • Profile picture of the author Brandon Tanner
            My opinion is... if it grows out of the ground, it should be legal. And if it's synthesized in a laboratory, it should probably be illegal.

            Now... that's not to say that everything that grows out of the ground is good for you (if you disagree, go chew on a wad of poison ivy leaves and let me know how that works out for you).

            But I believe that for the most part, the human body was meant to ingest natural substances that come from the earth, and not unnatural substances that were created by mixing a bunch of $@#%! chemicals together in a laboratory.

            MJ is probably far better for you than 99.999% of all the prescription drugs out there.

            My 2 cents.
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            • Profile picture of the author ThomM
              Don't forget Deadly Nightshade or atropa belladonna.
              Around here that's as common as poison ivy.
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                Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

                Don't forget Deadly Nightshade or atropa belladonna.
                Around here that's as common as poison ivy.
                Women use that to miscarry in countries where abortions are illegal - and have since at least the 14th century. It's essential to understand how much won't kill you. Just some trivia - not saying it's a good thing, just a trivia fact so don't anyone go hyper on me over it.

                Nightshade is also used by some naturopaths, however, I've no clue what they use it for and wouldn't use it for anything I might come down with. I find it worrisome. LOL.

                Gypsum weed seeds are another thing that can be used by misinformed people to get a very strange buzz - but it's dangerous as all get out. I accidentally got ahold of some of those in High School and it was the worst 8 hours of my life.
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                • Profile picture of the author craigslist
                  if they legalize marijuana what's the next drug they will legalize
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                • Profile picture of the author ConfusedJ
                  I'm torn on this debate, honestly. On one hand, I don't smoke, never have, and never will, and find potheads to be some of the most obnoxious people in existence. On the other hand, I don't see smoking pot as being any worse than drinking alcohol, so I don't see why one should be legalized and not the other.
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                • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                  Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

                  Don't forget Deadly Nightshade or atropa belladonna.
                  Around here that's as common as poison ivy.
                  Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

                  Women use that to miscarry in countries where abortions are illegal - and have since at least the 14th century. It's essential to understand how much won't kill you.
                  Trust me ... you do not want to screw with Belladonna. Back in my experimental days :p, I was at a party and the hosts made some Belladonna tea and we all drank it. You talk about a quiet party. I was sitting in an armchair when the paralysis hit. Most of the others were lying motionless on the floor. It was impossible to tell who might be dead or alive.

                  All through that day and that night ... same thing. No movement. Next afternoon some roommates came home and looked around. One walked over to me and asked me if I was alright. I couldn't talk, but I could blink my eyes by then (it took a great deal of effort). I blinked.

                  It wasn't until that evening that people started moving again.

                  I have smoked a ton of pot (well, maybe not a whole ton) and never had anything quite so frightening happen as the belladonna incident, although some pot does cause paranoia in some people.

                  I used to also abuse alcohol. Most destructive drug I've ever had by far, (and I've done most of them).

                  For the past 20 some years, I don't use drugs or alcohol at all ... rehab :p

                  But it really seems quite silly to me that pot would be illegal and young people sent to jail for it, while alcohol is legal.
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                  • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                    Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                    Trust me ... you do not want to screw with Belladonna. Back in my experimental days :p, I was at a party and the hosts made some Belladonna tea and we all drank it. You talk about a quiet party. I was sitting in an armchair when the paralysis hit. Most of the others were lying motionless on the floor. It was impossible to tell who might be dead or alive.

                    All through that day and that night ... same thing. No movement. Next afternoon some roommates came home and looked around. One walked over to me and asked me if I was alright. I couldn't talk, but I could blink my eyes by then. I blinked.

                    It wasn't until that evening that people started moving again.

                    I have smoked a ton of pot (well, maybe not a whole ton) and never had anything quite so frightening happen as the belladonna incident, although some pot does cause paranoia in some people.

                    I used to also abuse alcohol. Most destructive drug I've ever had by far, (and I've done most of them).

                    For the past 20 some years, I don't use drugs or alcohol at all ... rehab :p

                    But it really seems quite silly to me that pot would be illegal and young people sent to jail for it, while alcohol is legal.
                    I experimented with a load of different drugs in my younger days, fortunately Belladonna wasn't one of them.
                    A friend told me once that it was like doing Acid except the hallucinations seemed real. I loved acid mainly because I knew the hallucinations were caused by the acid. I never had the desire to think they were real
                    Years later I learned Belladonna was more like you described and was real glad I never tried it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    No, MJ should not be legal in all 50 states. This way, my state of Colorado will make more money from legal MJ tourism.

    BTW, Colorado has passed all the laws and the Gov has signed them into law. All that is needed now is a vote in Nov by the people to approve the tax, which is set at 25%.
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      That's a pretty hefty tax Kurt.
      Of course compared to the cigarette tax in NY it's nothing
      As with most taxes NY leads the nation at $4.35 a pack (that's just the tax).
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        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        That's a pretty hefty tax Kurt.
        Of course compared to the cigarette tax in NY it's nothing
        As with most taxes NY leads the nation at $4.35 a pack (that's just the tax).
        The tax is comparable to liquor. And I "think" it only applies to the wholesale part of the equation, when the growers sell to the shops. If I'm correct and wholesale is 50% of retail, it would cost the end customer 12.5% more.

        And, you can still get a medical MJ card and not pay the tax.

        The good news is, the cost of MJ at the medical dispensaries has really dropped. You can get good stuff for $140-150 an oz. Just a couple of years ago, the best you could do was about $350.

        I've been sober for over 18 months, but this was one of my favorite shops:
        Botanico MMJ Denver, Co.

        Here's her prices:
        Botanico MMJ Denver, Co.

        She doesn't have the best I ever had, but it was the next level.

        Other laws of interest:

        It's OK for people with out of state IDs to buy. But they are limited to buy 1/4 ounce at a time. Both CO residents and visitors can posses up to one ounce. It's still 2 ozs with an MMJ card.

        I think the 1/4 limit is to discourage out of staters from buying in quantity to take back home. But, it's fine for an out of stater to go from one shop to another, buying a 1/4 each time, as long as you don't have more than an OZ.

        You can grow 6 plants and there's no limit to how much MJ you can have from the 6 plants.

        There's other laws like child proof containers, which probably means us old folks will need to get a 6 year old to open the containers for us.

        The most controversial law is the driving under the influence. It's complicated and I won't get into it here.

        While I've been sober for a while, it doesn't mean I quit. Once the legal shops open, can you say "sour diesel"?
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          Here even though still illegal, if you know the right people you can get the good for between 200 and 250 an oz. If you don't know the right people the price requires a second mortgage
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    I wouldn't have a problem with that happening.

    On this issue I think the Feds should to stay out of it.

    The other drugs such as coke, dope and halluagens should stay illegal in IMHO but reduce the criminal penalties on those and add more treatment type of stuff to the equation.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Well, I'm an occasional smoker and what REALLY excites me about legalization is = fields of hemp, for paper, for fuel, for nutrition (the seeds are some of the most nutritious food on earth) material for homebuilding......all without cutting trees.

    Freedom of choice is important, too. Other countries DO have addicts. They just don't have to turn to crime to support their habits, so the rest of the people aren't effected by someone else's bad choice. Your own choice now in this country can land you in jail on forced work at slavery wages -- and that's even if you choice effected nobody else in any way shape or form and that is WRONG. Especially when one of those drugs you can be arrested for serves as a benefit to many who smoke it.

    Other drugs can have bad effects, but if you take out the illegal, you won't get more users. People don't feel they have to drink if it's legal - they don't feel they have to smoke. We're told SOME legal things that are extremely deadly are okay - yet millions are choosing not to use them (GMO foods, fluoridated water, for example). What give our gov the right to put things in our environment, food, etc that can kill us, and then tell us we can't have something else because they think it's bad for us? That's fascism. Let Dow compete with hemp fields. It's called free enterprise.

    You will just take the drug cartels down and make that person's addiction an autonomous problem rather than a whole societal problem. Many people addicted to illegal drugs don't get help when they want it for fear of our "Justice" system.

    Don't like drugs? Don't do them. I like a fattie, but I won't touch what Doctors push on us. Legal dealing - deadly drugs.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      I like a fattie, but I won't touch what Doctors push on us. Legal dealing - deadly drugs.
      Sal; It sounds like a fetish, but I like you too. :rolleyes:
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      Well, I'm an occasional smoker...
      I'm overcome with not surprise. :rolleyes:

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      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post


      Don't like drugs? Don't do them. I like a fattie, but I won't touch what Doctors push on us. Legal dealing - deadly drugs.
      this ...

      the hypocrisy that exists in society is mind-boggling as I continue to hear countless stories of high school kids who are far more messed up on prescription drugs - it should be duly noted by all parents that marijuana is the least of their problems and it is PRESCRIPTION drugs that are the problem currently - OXYs and all substitutes comes to mind.

      gotta love those legal dealers, though - yeah! lets not forget that Ritalin given to ADD and ADHD diagnosed children is pretty much crystal meth - but hey, the doctor prescribed it so it's ok!
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  • Profile picture of the author ThomM
    Damn I forgot to answer the original question:confused:
    Yes they should legalize cannabis in all states, release the prisoners who are in prison for cannabis, and apologize to the nation for being idiots making it and keeping it illegal for as long as they have.
    Considering all our tax money wasted on enforcing cannabis laws, I would hope it would effect your taxes in a positive way.
    As far as it being a good business to get into when legal, maybe maybe not. It wouldn't really be much different from any other business, once the novelty wore off.
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    I guess it's gonna happen eventually in all states, but am unsure. I know people that use it for medicinal purposes, and I guess it's the drug of choice now. Hey if they legalize it I'm sure they will tax it, but I don't know if my taxes will be effected or not. It will be a great business to get into if it's regulated right? This is a tough call.
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  • Profile picture of the author lcombs
    Absolutely MJ should be legalized.
    There are virtually no downsides.
    Certainly fewer than alcohol, tobacco, and many other legal drugs.
    The revenue potential, jobs and taxes, and proven medicinal properties combined with the savings of law enforcement which could then be applied to policing REAL criminals added to the fact that the very people who are keeping it illegal are for, the most part, users ("I didn't inhale"!!??) make legalization a no-brainer and not legalizing it a total mystery.
    To say nothing of the fact that it makes music and movies much
    more entertaining. (Ever seen "Yellow Submarine" while stoned?)

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    Yes. No question about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    I also feel it should be legal.

    With that said I realize that MJ is not physically addicting. But for many there is still serious dependence. I know people that pay their pot bill before they pay anything else. They literally panic if they think they'll run out. There are people who stay stoned day in and day out and never do anything else.

    I know a young man who went to welding school and did very well. After he graduated and got his certificate he refused to try and get a job because all potential employers require a urine test and he doesn't want to give up weed.

    Check out The Wonder Boys with Michael Douglas. Weed is classic wasteland city for him in that flick. I think it's a fair portrayal for the relationship that some people have with it.
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      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      I also feel it should be legal.

      With that said I realize that MJ is not physically addicting. But for many there is still serious dependence. I know people that pay their pot bill before they pay anything else. They literally panic if they think they'll run out. There are people who stay stoned day in and day out and never do anything else.

      I know a young man who went to welding school and did very well. After he graduated and got his certificate he refused to try and get a job because all potential employers require a urine test and he doesn't want to give up weed.

      Check out The Wonder Boys with Michael Douglas. Weed is classic wasteland city for him in that flick. I think it's a fair portrayal for the relationship that some people have with it.
      Lets face it some people are just idiots I've always been functional when I smoke, but there was a time when I would freak when I got low or ran out and buying more was my number one priority. Then it went dry around here for about 6 months. The first thing I realized was I could live without it. I wasn't the nicest person in the world, but that's me Now I'll smoke pretty much every day. But most days it won't be till late in the evening or when I'm watching TV in the evening. There are things that I still just enjoy more when I'm smoking, like playing drums. When I sit down and analyze why, I'll usually discover that it blocks something bad (like my back pain when playing) and helps me focus on what I'm doing. For the most part weather I like it or not I now smoke more for the therapeutic value then for the high
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      They literally panic if they think they'll run out.
      Hey my vice is cigarettes. I don't drink or smoke MJ. I would leave the house at 2am to get cigs but nothing else would I do that for...We all have our vices.
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    The war on drugs is the biggest scam I've ever heard of. (Especially concerning the miracle product / cash crop that is marijuana).

    Those who support marijuana prohibition are opposing freedom. I can't comprehend why people would support marijuana prohibition.

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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Here's a question; If heroin were legal (a completely different subject), would you use it? Neither would I.
      At one point it WAS legal.

      If you want an interesting perspective on the subject, with some stats on historical addiction rates, check out "Ain't Nobody's Business if You Do: The Absurdity of Consensual Crimes in a Free Society," by Peter McWilliams. I read it years ago, when it first came out, and it generated quite the wide range of arguments. The "War on Drugs" crowd claimed McWilliams was making it up, and the small-l libertarians latched on to his premises and promoted it.

      The basic tenets, either way, are worth considering.

      Plus, it had a cool CD with different renditions of the song. (The Billie Holiday version was my favorite.)

      I just read an article on the topic earlier today, explaining why a lot of LEOs want pot legalized.

      http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...juana-20130627

      Also, while credible arguments can be made for legalizing all drugs in principle, it's a good idea to keep the differences in mind. Pot and crack cocaine are very different animals from each other, and the mind-altering stuff is in a whole other category.

      It's generally a bad idea to make comparisons without thinking about them carefully. For example, a conservative friend of mine recently offered the opinion that all health insurance should be abolished. He asked why people shouldn't just pay for it as they needed it, like they do with groceries.

      My response: "Have you ever heard of a catastrophic grocery bill?"


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    Prohibition's failure is great evidence that you cannot legislate behavior or morality. Milton Friedman had some great lectures on this topic. All drugs should be legal in all states. It is up to the people to decide what to consume and not to, just like with cigs, alcohol, junk food and many other things.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrozlat
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    I guess it's gonna happen eventually in all states, but am unsure. I know people that use it for medicinal purposes, and I guess it's the drug of choice now. Hey if they legalize it I'm sure they will tax it, but I don't know if my taxes will be effected or not. It will be a great business to get into if it's regulated right? This is a tough call.
    they should legalize it worldwide !!
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    Thanks for the link Paul.

    When my Grandmother was a kid they could get a coke spoon full of cocaine added to their drinks at the soda fountains, too. She used to get Cherry fossfates (sp?) with a little spoon of extra go in it. There didn't seem to be a problem with addiction back then. There might have been addicts, but they never stirred up any trouble, so were pretty much left alone. Left alone is the basic idea that has completely vanished in this country no matter what you are into, there's always someone who preaches about making you stop it.
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      Sal,
      Cherry fossfates (sp?)
      Oh. My. Dog.

      YOU didn't know it was 'phosphates?' I am discombobulated.

      My grandfather, a staid old Wesleyan Methodist, used to smoke pot, although my mother swears it never happened. I tend to believe Grandpa's version of what he did on the farm before they were born...

      I can just see him smoking pot in one of his old meerschaums while my Puritanical step-grandmother railed about the "Demon Rum."


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        Sal,Oh. My. Dog.

        YOU didn't know it was 'phosphates?' I am discombobulated.

        My grandfather, a staid old Wesleyan Methodist, used to smoke pot, although my mother swears it never happened. I tend to believe Grandpa's version of what he did on the farm before they were born...

        I can just see him smoking pot in one of his old meerschaums while my Puritanical step-grandmother railed about the "Demon Rum."


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        LOL - it's the middle of the morning here so I didn't think about it real hard - phonetics are made for this time of night.

        I wouldn't be surprised if I have a few pot smokers in my ancestory, too. Probably a lot of people do and just don't realize it because it hasn't been that long since it became socially frowned upon.
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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          Sal,
          I wouldn't be surprised if I have a few pot smokers in my ancestry, too. Probably a lot of people do and just don't realize it because it hasn't been that long since it became socially frowned upon.
          When I was very young, I used to wake up between 4 and 5 AM. That was a good thing for me, when we were at the farm. I was the only one who got up earlier than Grandpa. We'd sit and watch the farm report and the news, and he'd let me go with him on his morning walks. Nobody else ever got to do that.

          We'd talk, and by the time we got back to the house the rest of the family was up. He'd tamp down and say almost nothing for the remainder of the day.

          One day, there was a news report criticizing the 'hippie' kids of the time (mid- to late- 60s) for a number of things, including smoking pot. They focused on that. Grandpa got that dark scowl he was famous for and said, "That's not what's wrong." I asked what he meant, and he took probably 12 words (or less) to let me know he'd grown and smoked marijuana and it didn't create those problems.

          I don't recall his exact words, which is odd, but I remember the feeling and the lesson vividly. The man barely spoke and never lied, and he was telling me the prevailing social opinion was Wrong. (His words were sparse, but he had one of the most eloquent faces of anyone I've ever known.)

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  • Profile picture of the author craigslist
    had this discussion last nite over a few drinks-what surprised me was friends of mine know that their kids do it and actually give them money for (party money) I said you know your not helping them by doing this-they said well we did it when we were younger so I don't want to be a hippacrit, ok so this being said I am sure this scenerio probably happens a lot-there would be a age limit I am guessing for the purchase of marijuana-the person that buying it would get taxed bigtime. I think there has to be a set of strictly enforced rules - age limits - guidelines. If it can help bring my taxes down I am all for it, I wish in my state of NY would consider it, many that I work with that retire move away because it's so expensive to live here.
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      One day, there was a news report criticizing the 'hippie' kids of the time (mid- to late- 60s) for a number of things, including smoking pot. They focused on that. Grandpa got that dark scowl he was famous for and said, "That's not what's wrong." I asked what he meant, and he took probably 12 words (or less) to let me know he'd grown and smoked marijuana and it didn't create those problems.
      Paul your grandfather sounds a bit like my father.
      My father was 58 when I was born in 1953 so he was in his 40's when cannabis was first made "illegal" with the Marijuana Tax Stamp Act in 1937.
      In fact he was alive before the majority of drugs became illegal.
      I don't know if he ever smoked cannabis, but I still have the coil from the still he made during alcohol prohibition.
      I remember him getting super mad in the 60's and 70's when the news would demonize hippies and cannabis. He didn't actually agree with the hippie live style, but he would defend their right to live it. When it came to cannabis, he had seen first hand people growing hemp to make their clothes. He knew (and probably took) medicines that contained cannabis tinctures. He knew it was a harmless beneficial plant. He told me many times that before it was made illegal it simply wasn't a big deal. He said people grew it, people used it, just like any other plant.
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    Weed is like anything else. It's how it's used. Electricity is a good thing, right? Sure, right up until someone gets electrocuted. Then it might not be so good. Guns... Same thing. Save someone from being raped or murdered with a gun, good. Rob or murder someone with a gun, bad.

    Regardless of the potentially negative effects of pot or any other drug people should be allowed to do what they do. With that said, any and all consequences incurred should be their responsibility and not that of society. That goes for all drugs. Too bad personal responsibility is sooooo out of fashion these days.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrozlat
    Originally Posted by craigslist View Post

    I guess it's gonna happen eventually in all states, but am unsure. I know people that use it for medicinal purposes, and I guess it's the drug of choice now. Hey if they legalize it I'm sure they will tax it, but I don't know if my taxes will be effected or not. It will be a great business to get into if it's regulated right? This is a tough call.
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    I think the link between mental health issues and marijuana smoking should be considered when thinking about legalizing it.
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      Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

      I think the link between mental health issues and marijuana smoking should be considered when thinking about legalizing it.
      I agree. Or they simply legalize it, but people who take it, take full responsibility for its psychotic effects and memory loss.

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        Originally Posted by kentah View Post

        I agree. Or they simply legalize it, but people who take it, take full responsibility for its psychotic effects and memory loss.

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        i'm schizophrenic... and it's the best medicine i've ever had!
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        I agree. Or they simply legalize it, but people who take it, take full responsibility for its psychotic effects and memory loss.
        Yep. And make sure people are aware of the (potential) harmful affects.
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        • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
          Hmm... let's see... Maybe there are some similar real-life examples that might offer some insights?

          How big is the problem?

          • In 2010, 10,228 people were killed in alcohol-impaired driving crashes, accounting for nearly one-third (31%) of all traffic-related deaths in the United States.1
          • Of the 1,210 traffic deaths among children ages 0 to 14 years in 2010, 211 (17%) involved an alcohol-impaired driver.1
          • Of the 211 child passengers ages 14 and younger who died in alcohol-impaired driving crashes in 2010, over half (131) were riding in the vehicle with the alcohol-impaired driver.1
          • In 2010, over 1.4 million drivers were arrested for driving under the influence of alcohol or narcotics.3 That's one percent of the 112 million self-reported episodes of alcohol-impaired driving among U.S. adults each year.4
          • Drugs other than alcohol (e.g., marijuana and cocaine) are involved in about 18% of motor vehicle driver deaths. These other drugs are often used in combination with alcohol.5
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          Mortality

          • Number of alcoholic liver disease deaths: 15,990
          • Number of alcohol-induced deaths, excluding accidents and homicides: 25,692
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          Alcohol is a causal factor in 60 types of diseases and injuries, according to WHO's first report on alcohol since 2004.
          Its consumption has been linked to cirrhosis of the liver, epilepsy, poisonings, road traffic accidents, violence, and several types of cancer, including cancers of the colorectum, breast, larynx and liver.
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          Legalizing marijuana doesn't seem to be such a wise idea, at least to me.

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            Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

            Hmm... let's see... Maybe there are some similar real-life examples that might offer some insights?

            CDC - Impaired Driving Facts - Motor Vehicle Safety - Injury Center

            FASTSTATS - Alcohol Use

            Alcohol-Related Deaths Kill More Than AIDS, TB Or Violence, WHO Reports

            Legalizing marijuana doesn't seem to be such a wise idea, at least to me.

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            How does putting up stats about the dangers of alcohol have anything to do with legalizing cannabis?
            As for driving and smoking.
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              Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

              How does putting up stats about the dangers of alcohol have anything to do with legalizing cannabis?
              As for driving and smoking.
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              LOL - perhaps we should legalize pot and outlaw liquor (again).
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            • Profile picture of the author LarryC
              Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

              How does putting up stats about the dangers of alcohol have anything to do with legalizing cannabis?
              As for driving and smoking.
              Scientists Say Weed Smokers Are Safer Drivers | Loop21

              Either way, legalizing marijuana and making it legal to drive under its influence are two entirely different things.
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              • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                Originally Posted by LarryC View Post

                Either way, legalizing marijuana and making it legal to drive under its influence are two entirely different things.
                Exactly. I don't know anybody that is in favor of legalization that wants driving while under the influence legal after all it is already illegal to drive under the influence of any drug including many prescription drugs . But many people who are against legalization seem to think that every one who smokes will get high and rush out to drive causing massive accidents everywhere.
                Those studies just point out that people who do smoke and drive tend to be less of a threat then the anti's want you to believe.
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                Originally Posted by LarryC View Post

                Either way, legalizing marijuana and making it legal to drive under its influence are two entirely different things.
                Colorado made MJ legal to use and illegal to drive, setting limits to the amount of MJ that can be detected in one's blood system when driving.

                There's a number of problems with this though, as MJ can stay in one's system long after it makes a person "high".
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                  Colorado made MJ legal to use and illegal to drive, setting limits to the amount of MJ that can be detected in one's blood system when driving.

                  There's a number of problems with this though, as MJ can stay in one's system long after it makes a person "high".
                  I thought hair or blood testing could give a "time frame" of when the person smoked or ingested?
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                    Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

                    I thought hair or blood testing could give a "time frame" of when the person smoked or ingested?
                    Don't know about blood but hair follicles show THC for years.
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                    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                      Originally Posted by lcombs View Post

                      Don't know about blood but hair follicles show THC for years.
                      I know urine just shows byproducts that are stored in our fatty tissue.
                      What I was asking though is a little different.
                      One of the tests will showing the actual thc level, I think it's the blood test..
                      I just checked (like I should of done already) It's blood tests.
                      Marijuana Drug Test Detection Times | California NORML
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                Yet...

                Currently, it is not legal to drive under the influence of alcohol, yet

                In 2010, 10,228 people were killed in alcohol-impaired driving crashes, accounting for nearly one-third (31%) of all traffic-related deaths in the United States.1
                Currently, it is not legal to possess or drive under the influence of "other drugs", yet

                Drugs other than alcohol (e.g., marijuana and cocaine) are involved in about 18% of motor vehicle driver deaths.
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                Either way, legalizing marijuana and making it legal to drive under its influence are two entirely different things.
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                • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                  Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

                  Yet...

                  Currently, it is not legal to drive under the influence of alcohol, yet

                  Currently, it is not legal to possess or drive under the influence of "other drugs", yet

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                  From the link I posted.
                  "found no differences in the driving skills of 85 subjects who got behind the wheel stone-cold sober and then tried the same obstacle course after having smoked a joint." The study also said that when alcohol was added into the mix, the driving got worst and more accident prone
                  They found that "traffic fatalities fall by nearly 9 percent after the legalization of medical marijuana."
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            • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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              People know that smoking cigarettes (especially if you have a genetic predisposition/susceptibility) can cause cancer. Similarly, they know that drinking alcohol can cause liver disease.

              However, many people don't know about the affects of smoking cannabis. And, many of them are at risk, particularly teenagers.

              My experience with "C" happened when I was 15. On a fishing trip I decided to try it. And because I didn't know too much can be harmful, I took a big dose and basically had a severe panic attack.

              The worst part was thinking that I had swallowed my tongue (I couldn't feel it) and hallucinating that I had blood all over my hands. There's a lot to this story but suffice to say it was one of the worst experiences of my life. : ( And I developed acute social anxiety.

              Several years later¾ because of that overdose and smoking "C" for another 3 years¾ I developed schizophrenia.

              If I had known that would happen, I would have avoided "C" completely. I'm not complaining though. Ultimately having to deal with social anxiety, depression, and schizophrenia has been my greatest blessing: I wouldn't have developed personally and spiritually if it wasn't for my problems.


              However, many people don't fare as well as me and mental health problems like schizophrenia can ruin their lives. : (

              People who have the genetic predisposition and smoke "C" are more at risk of developing schizophrenia. (Particularly if they start smoking it at a young age.)

              Here I present some of the mountains upon mountains of evidence and research.

              I. How Cannabis Can Trigger Schizophrenia
              http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-126056/How-cannabis-trigger-schizophrenia.html

              II. If Cannabis Is Safe, Why Am I Psychotic?
              http://www.schizophrenia.com/research/cannabis.htm

              III. Cannabis May Cause Schizophrenia-Like Brain Changes
              http://psychcentral.com/lib/cannabis-may-cause-schizophrenia-like-brain-changes/00012781

              IV. Evidence That Cannabis Use Can Contribute To Schizophrenia
              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_schizophrenia

              V. The Cannabis-Psychosis Link
              http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/schizophrenia/cannabis-psychosis-link

              VI. Cannabis Use May Lead To Schizophrenia
              http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/252513.php

              VII. Cannabis Use Linked to More Severe Schizophrenia
              http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/782282

              VIII. Marijuana Use By Teens Linked To Permanent Brain Abnormalities
              http://life.nationalpost.com/2013/07/25/marijuana-use-by-teens-linked-to-permanent-brain-abnormalities-later-in-life-u-s-study/

              IX. Teens Who Smoke Pot At Risk For Later Schizophrenia
              http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/teens-who-smoke-pot-at-risk-for-later-schizophrenia-psychosis-201103071676

              X. Cannabis Use Linked To 40% Rise In Risk Of Schizophrenia
              http://www.theguardian.com/society/2007/jul/27/drugsandalcohol.drugs
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              • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                People know that smoking cigarettes (especially if you have a genetic predisposition/susceptibility) can cause cancer. Similarly, they know that drinking alcohol can cause liver disease.

                However, many people don't know about the affects of smoking cannabis. And, many of them are at risk, particularly teenagers.

                My experience with "C" happened when I was 15. On a fishing trip I decided to try it. And because I didn't know too much can be harmful, I took a big dose and basically had a severe panic attack.

                The worst part was thinking that I had swallowed my tongue (I couldn't feel it) and hallucinating that I had blood all over my hands. There's a lot to this story but suffice to say it was one of the worst experiences of my life. : ( And I developed acute social anxiety.

                Several years later¾ because of that overdose and smoking "C" for another 3 years¾ I developed schizophrenia.

                If I had known that would happen, I would have avoided "C" completely. I'm not complaining though. Ultimately having to deal with social anxiety, depression, and schizophrenia has been my greatest blessing: I wouldn't have developed personally and spiritually if it wasn't for my problems.


                However, many people don't fare as well as me and mental health problems like schizophrenia can ruin their lives. : (

                People who have the genetic predisposition and smoke "C" are more at risk of developing schizophrenia. (Particularly if they start smoking it at a young age.)

                Here I present some of the mountains upon mountains of evidence and research.

                So then we should have over 50 million people in the U.S. alone who have schizophrenia by your logic.
                All the research I've read says adolescents are at risk.
                Nobody is suggesting that kids be allowed to smoke.
                What people who are for legalization want is for ADULTS to be able to make a choice and not fear being arrested, same as with alcohol.
                You do realize that illegal drugs are easier for kids to get then legal ones like alcohol, right? Keeping cannabis illegal just continues to make it easy for kids to get. It's not going away so why continue to put kids at risk (as you say) by keeping it illegal?
                Now I could put up thousands of links that point to the benefits of cannabis, both medicinal and social. After thousands of years of use it has a well proven and documented track record. I could also give you enough persona; information gathered from millions of cannabis users showing the benefits and lack of ill effects of smoking to fill a library. Here's some links for you on the benefits of cannabis, which far out weight the bad effects. The first link talks about your concerns.
                Still Believe Nature Got It Wrong? Top 10 Health Benefits of Marijuana | True Activist
                Dr. Sanjay Gupta: Why I changed my mind on weed - CNN.com
                "After dealing with about 10,000 patents in the last 15 years, I'd say about 200 different medical conditions respond favorably to cannabis," Mikuriya said.
                ‘Medical’ Marijuana: 10 Health Benefits That Legitimize Legalization

                Here's some on alcohol.
                "Alcohol does all kinds of things in the body, and we're not fully aware of all its effects," says James C. Garbutt, MD, professor of psychiatry at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill School of Medicine and a researcher at the university's Bowles Center for Alcohol Studies. "It's a pretty complicated little molecule."Health Risks of Alcohol: 12 Health Problems Associated with Chronic Heavy Drinking
                Alcoholism and Psychiatric Disorders
                Mental health problems not only result from drinking too much alcohol. They can also cause people to drink too much. Alcohol

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                  What people who are for legalization want is for ADULTS to be able to make a choice and not fear being arrested, same as with alcohol.
                  At the same time I think adults should be aware of the potential harmful affects of smoking cannabis because the mental health problems apply to them as well.

                  If it's going to be legalized it should come with a health warning like cigarettes do.
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                    Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                    At the same time I think adults should be aware of the potential harmful affects of smoking cannabis because the mental health problems apply to them as well.

                    If it's going to be legalized it should come with a health warning like cigarettes do.
                    Shouldn't it also have health benefits listed?
                    After all it's benefits out weight it's risks by a wide margin.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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                      Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

                      Shouldn't it also have health benefits listed?
                      After all it's benefits out weight it's risks by a wide margin.
                      That's simply something we are never going to agree on.

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                        Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                        That's simply something we are never going to agree on.

                        : )
                        We don't have to agree. There is a ton of research, studies, and antidote evidence that shows it has many benefits. Not to mention thousands of years of use with no deaths from an overdose or prolonged use
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                          We don't have to agree. There is a ton of research, studies, and antidote evidence that shows it has many benefits. Not to mention thousands of years of use with no deaths from an overdose or prolonged use.
                          Lol. Trust me, Thom, living with schizophrenia is like you're dying every day. : (
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                          • Profile picture of the author mrozlat
                            Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                            Lol. Trust me, Thom, living with schizophrenia is like you're dying every day.
                            cannabidiol is actually a cannabinoid found in cannabis that is anti-psychotic: Schizophrenia Treatment? Cure? - Health Advocate - there are countless clinical studies that have proven that cannabis is the superior drug to treat schizophrenia as it does the same if not a better job of treating without the dangerous side effects that pharmaceutical drugs provide!
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                            • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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                              mrozlat,

                              It's the cannabidiol in cannabis that is being discussed as a treatment for schizophrenia. However “C” is also full of THC (tetrahydrocannabinol) and even small doses of that can cause psychotic symptoms and (over time) trigger schizophrenia. (See links above.)

                              What they're hoping to do is create a medication based on cannabidol¾not use “C” itself as a treatment. (For obvious reasons.)
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                              • Profile picture of the author mrozlat
                                Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                                It's the cannabidiol in cannabis that is being discussed as a treatment for schizophrenia. However "C" is also full of THC (tetrahydrocannabinol) and even small doses of that can cause psychotic symptoms and (over time) trigger schizophrenia. (See links above.)
                                cannabis comes in many different strains... some higher in THC than CBD... others higher in CBD than THC... others with a 1:1 ratio... cannabis may trigger schizophrenia in a way that cannabis higher in THC than CBD may lead to early onset and help with early diagnosis of schizophrenia in people... however it does not cause it!

                                Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                                What they're hoping to do is create a medication based on cannabidol¾not use "C" itself as a treatment. (For obvious reasons.)
                                now you're being ridiculous... it's a plant with over 70 unique cannabinoids identified... each with their own unique properties... so not only is it a medicine... it's also a food that can be eaten and juiced just like any other... there are actually even more benefits to ingesting the plant than smoking or vapourizing it... the only reason they want to create the single compound medicine is because of corporate greed and profit protection... however a synthetic medicine will never be the same as what nature intended!
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                                  Originally Posted by mrozlat View Post

                                  Cannabis may trigger schizophrenia in a way that cannabis higher in THC than CBD may lead to early onset and help with early diagnosis of schizophrenia in people... however it does not cause it!
                                  It depends what you mean. If I hadn't of smoked cannabis I wouldn't have developed schizophrenia. (Fact.) Same with thousands of other people.

                                  I think people have a right to know about the harmful affects of smoking “C”.

                                  So far all you have done is presented your opinion with nothing credible to back it up. Here’s what Harvard Medical School has to say about smoking “C”.

                                  Evidence is mounting that regular marijuana use increases the chance that a teenager will develop psychosis, a pattern of unusual thoughts or perceptions, such as believing the television is transmitting secret messages. It also increases the risk of developing schizophrenia, a disabling brain disorder that not only causes psychosis, but also problems concentrating and loss of emotional expression.

                                  In one recent study that followed nearly 2,000 teenagers as they became young adults, young people who smoked marijuana at least five times were twice as likely to have developed psychosis over the next 10 years as those who didn’t smoke pot.

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                                  For years, now, experts have been sounding the alarm about a possible link between marijuana use and psychosis. One of the best-known studies followed nearly 50,000 young Swedish soldiers for 15 years. Those who had smoked marijuana at least once were more than twice as likely to develop schizophrenia as those who had never smoked pot. The heaviest users (who said they used marijuana more than 50 times) were six times as likely to develop schizophrenia as the nonsmokers.

                                  www.health.harvard.edu/blog/teens-who-smoke-pot-at-risk-for-later-schizophrenia-psychosis-201103071676
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                                  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                                    Jonathan,
                                    If I hadn't of smoked cannabis I wouldn't have developed schizophrenia. (Fact.)
                                    Hypothesis, not fact. There is huge disagreement in the psychiatric community about the actual causal factors, but with genetics taking the lead role in almost every case.

                                    I've seen things that indicated that pot use might lead to earlier onset than might otherwise be the case, but nothing serious that supports the idea that it causes the condition.

                                    Question: Do the studies you reference take into account the known tendency of people who "are prone to" schizophrenia to be more likely to use drugs? If not, they may be confusing cause and effect.


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                                    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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                                      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                                      There is huge disagreement in the psychiatric community about the actual causal factors, but with genetics taking the lead role in almost every case.
                                      Yeah, I think genetics is the most common factor.

                                      I've seen things that indicated that pot use might lead to earlier onset than might otherwise be the case, but nothing serious that supports the idea that it causes the condition.
                                      Well not yet. The research has been mounting even in the last couple of years or so.


                                      Question: Do the studies you reference take into account the known tendency of people who "are prone to" schizophrenia to be more likely to use drugs? If not, they may be confusing cause and effect.

                                      That's a good point, Paul.

                                      However, it's such a common "mistake" that I can't see the more reputable sources making it. And, even if some of the studies are inaccurate, that doesn't mean that "C" isn't a causal factor.
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    It's amazing how many "Reefer Madness" believers are in here.:p

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    Personally, I've never used (or even tried) marijuana. However, the THC in it has been reported by some to be a powerful anti-cancer agent.

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    To those people saying ALL drugs should be legal: do you really know what crack makes people do? :X
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      To those people saying ALL drugs should be legal: do you really know what crack makes people do? :X
      Yep and do you know that it being illegal has done nothing to stop it. Did you also know that making it legal would put controls and monitoring on it? And I know you know that in countries like Portugal where hard drugs where decriminalized and their use dealt with in a medical way, their use went down.
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      Originally Posted by Sweersz View Post

      To those people saying ALL drugs should be legal: do you really know what crack makes people do? :X
      Do you really think that just because it´s legal more people will start taking it?
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Jonathan,

        Sorry. This got lost in the deluge...
        We'd have to look at the complete context of the study to be sure, as summaries often fail to mention or clearly explain such qualifiers. That's a large part of how inaccurate, or simply unproven, claims become accepted as fact in mainstream discussions.
        Example: A study finds that, in some cases, there's a correlation between X and Y, if certain other conditions exist. The summary states that "BigName Foundation study finds X may be connected to Y." They don't give the details of the extra conditions, or how often they exist.

        People read the summary and start telling others that "BigName Foundation says X causes Y."
        There's also the issue that the article you mentioned describes the impact of various drugs on several different conditions.
        It mentions schizophrenia and psychosis right in the title. One could argue that I should have said two, not several, but psychosis is such a generic term that it could refer to a number of more specific conditions that involve loss of contact with reality.
        That can lead a lot of people to the error of equivalence by proximity, especially those by whom the terms aren't clearly understood.
        Just means "If you mention several things close to each other, people will tend to assume you mean them to be the same in some aspect."

        Example: "We get a lot of spam from scammers, newbies, and MLM junkies." With the word newbies between the other two, the reader may think you're disparaging inexperienced people, and imbue them with whatever characteristics they associate with spammers and MLM junkies. Or even assume you mean all three to be equally "bad."

        As far as the idea that people with a family history of schizophrenia should avoid certain drugs... Yeah. That's right up there with "If a parent is an alcoholic, you probably ought to avoid drinking."

        I'm not sure how effective social prohibitions are going to be against internal drives like that, but it's worth the effort of educating people about the issues.


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  • Profile picture of the author Doran Peck
    Lets make Mary Jane Legal....Hmmm.....so what do you think will happen when half your employees come to work stoned. How will they represent your company? How will they operate the equipment? Will they forget an important step in some process? Will they be able to react fast enough to save their own life in an accident situation? Will they get someone else injured? Will you be able to sustain daily business processes for an extended period of time when a significant portion of your work force is constantly impaired?

    So I'm walking down the street...but now...the crane operator is stoned, every 2nd cabbie that drives by is stoned, those cops over there are stoned, that school bus driver is stoned, is my kid on that bus?....I step into my barbers shop for a razor shave and a haircut. He's stoned to high heaven. Later that day I'm in for surgery, however, the anesthesiologist is higher than a kite, hope I wake up... I have to catch a plane tomorrow.
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      Originally Posted by Doran Peck View Post

      Lets make Mary Jane Legal....Hmmm.....so what do you think will happen when half your employees come to work stoned. How will they represent your company? How will they operate the equipment? Will they forget an important step in some process? Will they be able to react fast enough to save their own life in an accident situation? Will they get someone else injured? Will you be able to sustain daily business processes for an extended period of time when a significant portion of your work force is constantly impaired?

      So I'm walking down the street...but now...the crane operator is stoned, every 2nd cabbie that drives by is stoned, those cops over there are stoned, that school bus driver is stoned, is my kid on that bus?....I step into my barbers shop for a razor shave and a haircut. He's stoned to high heaven. Later that day I'm in for surgery, however, the anesthesiologist is higher than a kite, hope I wake up... I have to catch a plane tomorrow.
      1. What makes you think that if cannabis is legal everyone will suddenly be stoned all the time?
      Alcohol is legal, is everyone drunk all the time?
      2. Studies done by insurance companies (who are always looking for an excuse to charge more) have shown that people who drive stoned are safer and more focused drivers, then pretty much everyone.
      3. Millions of people already smoke cannabis in the US alone.
      So you may well have already had a shave by a high barber and didn't know it, walked by a high crane operator and didn't know it. Had a ride in a cab with a stoned cabbie, and didn't know it.
      4. The movie "Reefer Madness" isn't real.
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      Originally Posted by Doran Peck View Post

      Lets make Mary Jane Legal....Hmmm.....so what do you think will happen when half your employees come to work stoned. How will they represent your company? How will they operate the equipment? Will they forget an important step in some process? Will they be able to react fast enough to save their own life in an accident situation? Will they get someone else injured? Will you be able to sustain daily business processes for an extended period of time when a significant portion of your work force is constantly impaired?

      So I'm walking down the street...but now...the crane operator is stoned, every 2nd cabbie that drives by is stoned, those cops over there are stoned, that school bus driver is stoned, is my kid on that bus?....I step into my barbers shop for a razor shave and a haircut. He's stoned to high heaven. Later that day I'm in for surgery, however, the anesthesiologist is higher than a kite, hope I wake up... I have to catch a plane tomorrow.
      It's been a while since I drove a cab, but when I did, there were 8 cab compainies in Las Vegas. 6 had drug testing, two did not. The two without drug testing had the 2 lowest accident rates.

      There were other factors involved, but the point is, the other factors where much bigger issues than whether cab drivers used drugs of any kind.

      BTW, Colorado legalized MJ. We also allow for employers to still do drug testing and not allow their employees to use MJ. It's their choice. How about that for a solution for your problems?

      PS. I didn't like smoking MJ when I drove a cab. It was because I drove too slow and couldn't make any money. I was like "Slow down you damn tourists! You're driving too fast!"
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Jonathan,
        it's such a common "mistake" that I can't see the more reputable sources making it.
        We'd have to look at the complete context of the study to be sure, as summaries often fail to mention or clearly explain such qualifiers. That's a large part of how inaccurate, or simply unproven, claims become accepted as fact in mainstream discussions.

        There's also the issue that the article you mentioned describes the impact of various drugs on several different conditions. That can lead a lot of people to the error of equivalence by proximity, especially those by whom the terms aren't clearly understood.


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          I have to be honest, Paul, but I didn't understand all of that. (Lol @ Me.)
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            Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

            I have to be honest, Paul, but I didn't understand all of that. (Lol @ Me.)
            Do you mean the article or my post?
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          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          Do you mean the article or my post?
          Your post. : )

          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          There's also the issue that the article you mentioned describes the impact of various drugs on several different conditions.
          I don't see where that's the case with the article I referenced. (?) www.health.harvard.edu/blog/teens-who-smoke-pot-at-risk-for-later-schizophrenia-psychosis-201103071676

          ...

          If I could say one final thing on this topic, it would be that teenagers and young adults with a history of schizophrenia in their family¾especially the parent¾
          should be advised not to smoke any cannabis at all.

          I have to say that I absolutely love how my life has turned out. And I wouldn't be building my “dream business” without all my experience with fear, suffering, and anxiety. : ) However … Many people aren't so lucky and it's simply not worth taking the risk. (IMO.)
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    I think you are being melodramatic, Doran. Do people get drunk before work? Not unless they are alcoholics. There is no more likelihood of people getting stoned before work. In fact less since it is not addictive like alcohol. Are the millions of prescription drug abusers showing up wasted? (who knows)

    Not to mention people who have licenses to do things like drive a bus or taxi or work in a hazmat environment will still have drug screening and random testing just as they do now for a whole laundry list of substances. Not to mention we still have the 'check points' etc where people driving are subjected to performance evaluation. Even a new commercial message 'Driving Buzzed is Drunk Driving' or something like that.

    As for it causing mental illness that is bunk - if you are PRONE by genetics, brain chemistry, or environment to have mental DISEASE and or have ALWAYS HAD the tendencies, then maybe MJ will bring it to the front. Maybe not. Maybe it will help.

    For so long old wives tales and unfounded fears of the unknown have suppressed the truth of this and other matters - and I still suspect big pharma will start any kind of a rumor to keep their 'piece of the pie' when it comes to dollars spent on medication. I would say they will stop at nothing -- with people who really don't know anything because they have never used it, parroting the status quo 'thinking' which is more than likely in error.
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    watch this:
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  • Profile picture of the author Max Anderson
    Not from the US, but I think pot should be legal everywhere!
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  • Profile picture of the author mlrooney
    I hate this debate because there are way too many reasons why it should be legalized and there are also way too many reasons why it shouldn't be legalized.

    The one main problem I really see happening is people abusing the drug (which most people do now). When I say abuse it, I mean they feel they can have it whenever, wherever since it's legal. It's known that it slows reaction time down, dangerous for driving. I also know a great amount of people who regularly like to smoke marijuana, and they are some of the laziest people I know...will this create an extra lazy country?

    Yes alcohol is one of the worst things for your body, but unless you are an alcoholic, you know how to properly intake it. Once you are out of college, you go out once in a while and get tipsy or drunk, and know what you can and can't do while under the influence (i.e. drive). I have a feeling that by making marijuana legal, people will smoke all the time, not only during special events or nights out with friends. I'm just scared that this will ruin society more than it already is.
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      Originally Posted by mlrooney View Post

      The one main problem I really see happening is people abusing the drug (which most people do now). When I say abuse it, I mean they feel they can have it whenever, wherever since it's legal. It's known that it slows reaction time down, dangerous for driving. I also know a great amount of people who regularly like to smoke marijuana, and they are some of the laziest people I know...will this create an extra lazy country?
      Many prescription and non-prescription substances do the same even with recommended (non "abuse") dosage.
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    • Profile picture of the author mrozlat
      Originally Posted by mlrooney View Post

      I have a feeling that by making marijuana legal, people will smoke all the time, not only during special events or nights out with friends. I'm just scared that this will ruin society more than it already is.
      read about the truth here: | Illuminati News | The Marijuana Conspiracy - The Real Reason Hemp is Illegal

      the whole planet will be better off... they should criminalise the destruction of our planet instead !!!
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      • Profile picture of the author Ahlairiue
        As much as I hate to admit it without sounding like an conspiracy theorist, the government will not allow total legalization of mary jane as long as it is profitable for them to keep it illegal...

        The amount of money gov agencies and banks make off of drug convictions, seizures and imprisonment, theirs no way they will allow legalization to interfere with that.

        Regardless of the fact that the US would be a better place if such a drug was legalized, the government paints a picture of drug use being the "poster-child" for everything that's wrong in this country.

        Alcohol is much more dangerous than marijuana will ever be but as I always say: "if it's taxable, then it would be cool to smoke"
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  • Profile picture of the author AwesomeCathy
    I think we should legalize the substance but strengthen the penalties of ABUSING the substance, just like we've done with alcohol. Making the substances illegal only results in more people breaking the law and finding ways to profit from illegal sales. But if "contraband" became a regulated and taxed product, I think it would reduce crime and ultimately improve the economy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    This same conversation keeps coming up and sorry to be a bore but i always have to bring this up at this juncture:

    CAUSE OF DEATHS

    LEGAL Prescription Drugs 45%
    http://www.drugfreeworld.org/drugfac...tatistics.html

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...related_deaths

    Street Drugs
    Combined: 39%

    45% (Amphetamine
    + Heroin
    + Methamphetamine
    + Cocaine)

    NO DEATHS OR LIVER DESTRUCTION WITH POT EVER REPORTED. IT IS NOT IN THE SAME CATEGORY AT ALL.

    People are so worried about 'abuse' - are you worried about the kids dying from taking their mother's little helpers? (they grew up with their medicine cabinets crammed with it) - it's ok for mom as long as her and/or dad don't get loaded (druGnk). and nasty.

    ? do you worry about alcoholics and what they are doing to their livers, brains and families?

    Chime in whenever. ok????

    It is also interesting that obviously it is not for everyone - i couldn't care less if the WORRIERS ever use it or never liked it or didn't inhale. it's not kool aid.

    DEATH FROM LEGAL CIGARETTES

    The infographic above shows the estimated average annual number of smoking-attributable deaths in the United States during 2000 through 2004 by specific causes, as follows:

    Lung cancer: 128,900 deaths
    Other cancers: 35,300 deaths
    Ischemic Heart Disease: 126,000 deaths
    Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease: 92,900 deaths
    Stroke: 15,900 deaths
    Other diagnoses: 44,000 deaths

    * Average annual number of deaths 2000–2004
    Source: CDC SAMMEC, MMWR 2008;57(45):1226–1228.
    http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_stat...th/attrdeaths/

    DEATHS FROM LEGAL BOOZE

    Alcohol linked to 75,000 U.S. deaths a year - Health - Addictions | NBC News

    Alcohol abuse kills some 75,000 Americans each year and shortens the lives of these people by an average of 30 years, a U.S. government study suggested Thursday.


    dEAR wORRIER fORUM.
    SO MUCH TO WORRY AND SO LITTLE TIME!

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      Originally Posted by Patrician View Post

      SO MUCH TO WORRY AND SO LITTLE TIME!
      Story of the world.

      The irony is, people often need "drugs" to break out of the indoctrination to realize it.
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      • Profile picture of the author ThomM
        Another myth busted.
        Smoking cannabis DOES NOT cause schizophrenia.
        Harvard: Marijuana Doesn’t Cause Schizophrenia | Psych Central News
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          Another myth busted.
          Smoking cannabis DOES NOT cause schizophrenia.
          They're not saying that cannabis doesn't cause Schizophrenia, only that (according to the study) it's “unlikely.”

          I know from personal experience that actually, in some instances, cannabis smoking is the catalyst for developing schizophrenia. (See previous links on page 2.)
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            Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

            They're not saying that cannabis doesn't cause Schizophrenia, only that (according to the study) it's "unlikely."

            I know from personal experience that actually, in some instances, cannabis smoking is the catalyst for developing schizophrenia. (See previous links on page 2.)
            New research from Harvard Medical School, in a comparison between families with a history of schizophrenia and those without, finds little support for marijuana use as a cause of schizophrenia. "The results of the current study suggest that having an increased familial morbid risk for schizophrenia may be the underlying basis for schizophrenia in cannabis users and not cannabis use by itself," note the researchers.
            Sounds more like they are saying what I've always said.
            Cannabis doesn't cause schizophrenia, but it may bring it out if you already have it.
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          • Profile picture of the author mrozlat
            Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

            They're not saying that cannabis doesn't cause Schizophrenia, only that (according to the study) it's "unlikely."

            I know from personal experience that actually, in some instances, cannabis smoking is the catalyst for developing schizophrenia. (See previous links on page 2.)

            My friend... read...

            "In summary, we conclude that cannabis does not cause psychosis by itself. In genetically vulnerable individuals, while cannabis may modify the illness onset, severity and outcome, there is no evidence from this study that it can cause the psychosis."
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    T minus 3 weeks and counting.
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      “The results of the current study suggest that having an increased familial morbid risk for schizophrenia may be the underlying basis for schizophrenia in cannabis users and not cannabis use by itself.”

      ...

      “In summary, we conclude that cannabis does not cause psychosis by itself. In genetically vulnerable individuals, while cannabis may modify the illness onset, severity and outcome, there is no evidence from this study that it can cause the psychosis.”
      Yeah, that's basically what I subscribe to as well.

      Without the genetic predisposition (the most prominent factor) and environmental conditions, I think it's unlikely that smoking “C” will cause schizophrenia.

      However, for individuals at risk I think that “C” can be a contributing factor. That's what all the research I've posted is essentially saying. You could argue then that “C” doesn’t cause schizophrenia—it's the genetic predisposition.

      For certain people though, if you take away the “C” smoking they wouldn't have developed the illness. I'm 99% certain that's the case with me.
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      T minus 3 weeks and counting.
      Sorry I thought this thread was done with but Thom decided to resurrect it with new findings.
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        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        T minus 3 weeks and counting.
        Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

        Sorry I thought this thread was done with but Thom decided to resurrect it with new findings.
        I think you missed the point of my post. My post refers to the legal recreational MJ shops that will open in Colorado in about 3 weeks. "T minus" references how NASA counts down till launch.
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          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          I think you missed the point of my post. My post refers to the legal recreational MJ shops that will open in Colorado in about 3 weeks. "T minus" references how NASA counts down till launch.
          Oh right. Thanks for the clarification, Kurt.
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