Egyptian President Ousted From Power

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Morsy out in Egypt coup - CNN.com

Cairo (CNN) -- Egypt's military deposed the country's first democratically elected president Wednesday night, installing the head of the country's highest court as an interim leader, the country's top general announced.

Gen. Abdel-Fatah El-Sisi said the military was fulfilling its "historic responsibility" to protect the country by ousting Mohamed Morsy, the Western-educated Islamist leader elected a year ago. The country's constitution has been suspended, new parliamentary elections will be held and Adly Mansour, the head of the country's Supreme Constitutional Court, will replace Morsy, El-Sisi said.

Mansour will have the power to issue constitutional declarations during the interim period and will "establish a government that is a strong and diverse," the armed forces chief said. He said Morsy "did not achieve the goals of the people" and failed to meet demands to share power with opponents who thronged the streets of Cairo and Tahrir Square.

Those crowds erupted as the announcement was made on Egyptian television shortly after 9 p.m. (3 p.m. ET). But Morsy supporters gathered in another Cairo plaza vowed to oppose the coup, chanting "Down with military rule" and "The square has a million martyrs."

And in statements posted on the presidential Facebook and Twitter pages, Morsy said his ouster would be "categorically rejected by all the free men of our nation."

"The president -- who is also the supreme commander of the armed forces -- tells all citizens, civilians and military, leaders and soldiers, must abide by the constitution and should not respond to the coup which brings Egypt behind," he said. "Everyone must take responsibility before God, people and history."

Ahead of the statement, troops moved into key positions around the capital, closing off a bridge over the Nile River and surrounding a demonstration by Morsy's supporters in a Cairo suburb.

As the hour of the ultimatum neared, Morsy offered to form an interim coalition government "that would manage the upcoming parliamentary electoral process, and the formation of an independent committee for constitutional amendments to submit to the upcoming parliament," he said in a posting on his Facebook page. He noted that hundreds of thousands of supporters and protesters had packed plazas around the country, and he urged that his countrymen be allowed to express their opinions through the ballot box.
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"One of the mistakes I cannot accept -- as the president of all Egyptians -- is to side with one party over another, or to present the scene from one side only. To be fair, we need to listen to the voice of people in all squares," the statement read.

Morsy, a U.S.-educated religious conservative, was elected president in June 2012. But his approval ratings have plummeted as his government has failed to keep order or revive Egypt's economy. The chaos, including open sexual assaults on women in Egypt's streets, has driven away tourists and investors, while opponents say Morsy's rule was increasingly authoritarian.

As the troops fanned out Wednesday evening, Morsy was said to be working from a complex belonging to the country's Republican Guard, across the street from the presidential palace, according to Egyptian state media.

In Washington, State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said the U.S. government -- Egypt's leading ally -- could not confirm reports of a coup. Psaki said the United States is not taking sides and urged all parties to come to a peaceful resolution to the "tense and fast-moving" situation.

Coup allegation

An aide, Essam El Haddad, said in a Facebook posting that a coup was under way and warned that the generals risked bloodshed by moving against Morsy.

"Today, only one thing matters. In this day and age, no military coup can succeed in the face of sizable popular force without considerable bloodshed," wrote El Haddad, who works in the office of the assistant to the president on foreign relations. "Who among you is ready to shoulder that blame?"

"In a democracy, there are simple consequences for the situation we see in Egypt: The president loses the next election or his party gets penalized in the upcoming parliamentary elections. Anything else is mob rule," he added.

But Naguib Abadeer, a member of the opposition Free Egyptians Party, said what was under way "is not by any means a military coup. This is a revolution."

"The people have decided that Mr. Morsy was no longer the legitimate leader of Egypt," he told CNN.

Abadeer said Morsy lost his legitimacy in November, when he declared courts could not review his decrees and ousted the country's prosecutor-general. He said Morsy's supporters in the Muslim Brotherhood -- the Islamist movement that propelled Morsy to the presidency -- "hijacked the vote of the people" by running on a religious platform, "so these were not democratic elections."

On Tuesday night, Morsy had vowed that he would not comply with the military's 48-hour ultimatum and demanded that the armed forces stand down.

"If the price of upholding this legitimacy is my own blood, I am, therefore, ready to sacrifice my blood for this country and its stability," he said.

But political analyst Hisham Kassem said the speech was Morsy's "final bluff."

"He was trying to give the impression 'We are there in numbers, and we are going to retaliate, we are not going to allow this to happen.' However, with almost 24 hours since his message, it's clear his supporters will not dare challenge the crowds on the street," Kassem said.
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He added, "I think President Morsy effectively is no longer running the country." And faced with the throngs that filled Cairo's Tahrir Square, "the military had to intervene. Otherwise this crowd was going to get Morsy from his palace."

Reports of a TV studio takeover

Reuters and several other news organizations reported that Egyptian troops had "secured the central Cairo studios of state television" as the deadline approached and that staff not working on live shows had departed.

CNN has not confirmed the reports; state television denied in an on-air banner that there was any additional military presence at its studios.

Massive demonstrations for and against the former Muslim Brotherhood leader who was elected to office a year ago have been largely peaceful.

But 23 people died, health officials said, and hundreds more were injured in clashes overnight at Cairo University, the state-funded Al-Ahram news agency reported.

Protest leaders have called for nonviolence.

Egypt's military met Wednesday with religious, national, political and youth leaders to address the crisis, Egyptian military spokesman Ahmed Ali said through his Facebook page.
Egypt protesters' message to Morsy: Go

Hours earlier, an opposition spokesman accused the United States of propping up Morsy out of concern for neighboring Israel.

"The hour of victory is coming," said Mahmoud Badr of the Tamarod opposition group. He predicted that the "illegitimate president" would be gone by the end of the day.

"Not America, not Morsy, not anyone can impose their will on the Egyptian people," Badr said.

Switching sides

With the ultimatum, the armed forces appeared to have thrown their weight behind those opposed to Morsy's Islamic government.

Early Wednesday, soldiers and police set up a perimeter around the opposition's central meeting point, Cairo's Tahrir Square, "to secure it from any possible attack," the state-run EgyNews agency reported.

It was the police who, on the same spot in 2011, killed hundreds when they fired upon democratic, moderate and Islamic demonstrators seeking to overthrow Hosni Mubarak, the country's longtime autocratic leader and U.S. ally.

Mubarak had repressed the Muslim Brotherhood, an Islamic political movement that emerged as the nation's most powerful political force once Mubarak was ousted.

At a pro-democracy protest in Cairo, demonstrators expressed anger and fear over what the coming hours could bring.

The Muslim Brotherhood spokesman, Gehad El-Haddad, told CNN that tanks and armored vehicles -- accompanied by thugs carrying knives, pistols and ammunition -- had been moved to the northern and southern entrances of the square in an apparent attempt to drive them out.

The military fired warning shots into the air, and shot one Muslim Brotherhood member in the leg, El-Haddad said, but the remaining protesters were standing in defiance in front of the tanks.

Some of the protesters oppose Morsy but also oppose pushing from power a democratically elected leader, he said. "Under no circumstances will we ever accept a military-backed coup," he said.

But many of the democratic reformers and moderates who accused Morsy's government of moving in an authoritarian direction now support former Mubarak allies and others fed up with the nation's direction in calling for the restoration of order through the military.

They have been pushing to oust Morsy and his Muslim conservative government, whose leaders were drawn primarily from the ranks of the Muslim Brotherhood. They say they have collected more than 20 million signatures on a petition to remove him -- millions more than the number who voted Morsy into the presidency.

In recent days, anti-Morsy demonstrators have ransacked Muslim Brotherhood offices all over the country.
Protesters: We're not going; he must go
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Interactive map: Explore the locations of protests in Cairo, Egypt. Photos: AFP/Getty Images

The military's plans

Military leaders have told Arab media that they were planning to suspend the constitution, dissolve the parliament and sideline Morsy.

In his place, they would install a mainly civilian interim council until a new constitution can be drafted and a new president elected.

The military's ultimatum was intended to push all factions toward a national consensus, not to seize power through a coup, a spokesman, Col. Ahmed Ali, said Monday in a written statement.

The military appeared to be pressuring Morsy to reduce the influence of the Muslim Brotherhood and include opposition members, a source close to highly placed members of Egypt's leadership told CNN.

That restructuring was already happening. Five of Morsy's ministers resigned this week, including Foreign Minister Mohamed Kamel Amr.

And former Prosecutor General Abdel-Meguid Mahmoud will meet Thursday with the Supreme Judicial Council to be confirmed in the job.

Mahmoud had originally been installed in the job by Mubarak, shortly before he left. One of the goals during the 2011 revolution had been to oust him, which Morsy did through last November's constitutional declarations.

Mahmoud's return appeared to signify a shrinking of Morsy's power and a tilt toward Mubarak-era officials over Muslim Brotherhood loyalists.

In addition, 30 members of the Shura Council, the upper house of parliament, have resigned, state-run Nile TV reported.

Morsy defends his presidency

Morsy's numerous and adamant supporters point out that he is the legitimate president and say that opponents seeking to depose him are circumventing the democratic process.

The unrest prompted U.S. President Barack Obama to call Morsy on Monday and urge a less rigid stance. "He stressed that democracy is about more than elections," a White House statement said.

A White House official told CNN that Obama was briefed on the situation in Egypt on Wednesday by his national security staff.

The Obama administration appeared to be giving mixed signals on where it stands. On Tuesday, Obama called on Morsy to hold early elections, a senior administration official said.

"We are saying to him, 'Figure out a way to go for new elections,'" the official said. "That may be the only way that this confrontation can be resolved."

A State Department spokeswoman, however, denied that Obama urged early elections.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
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    • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      CONGRATULATIONS, EGYPT!
      For what? The military overthrowing a democratically elected government?

      Not quite sure how that is worthy of congratulations, however the story is unfolding and we'll see how it develops.
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        Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

        For what? The military overthrowing a democratically elected government?

        Not quite sure how that is worthy of congratulations, however the story is unfolding and we'll see how it develops.
        I'm guessing you missed this part of the article.
        They have been pushing to oust Morsy and his Muslim conservative government, whose leaders were drawn primarily from the ranks of the Muslim Brotherhood. They say they have collected more than 20 million signatures on a petition to remove him -- millions more than the number who voted Morsy into the presidency.
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          Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

          I'm guessing you missed this part of the article.
          I did indeed miss that quote.

          I'm just listening to it unfold on AU News, and as is usual in these cases that are happening live, there are many confusing and contradictory stories coming in.

          These things can also have unintended consequences.

          If the head of the military forces makes good on his promise to hold fresh elections in 12 months, and it all goes peacefully, there's probably a Nobel Prize in it for him.

          What if though, the Military decides, for "security purposes" of course, to cancel the elections and hold on to power?

          Like I said, the story is unfolding and we won't be able to judge its significance until the story ends in either a peaceful change in government or a military dictatorship, or something else again.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            I think what has happened is a "democratic coup" - they ousted an elected leader who did not perform as promised when elected.

            It may be democracy at work and I hope we don't make the same mistake we made then - of supporting the leader the people of Egypt are rejecting.

            They'll sort it out - in their own way and time. I just hope there's no violence along the way.
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            Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

            I did indeed miss that quote.

            I'm just listening to it unfold on AU News, and as is usual in these cases that are happening live, there are many confusing and contradictory stories coming in.

            These things can also have unintended consequences.

            If the head of the military forces makes good on his promise to hold fresh elections in 12 months, and it all goes peacefully, there's probably a Nobel Prize in it for him.

            What if though, the Military decides, "for security" purposes of course, to cancel the elections and hold on to power?

            Like I said, the story is unfolding and we won't be able to judge its significance until the story ends in either a peaceful change in government or a military dictatorship, or something else again.
            It will be interesting to see how it unfolds. So far it it's looking like it did two years ago.
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        Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

        For what? The military overthrowing a democratically elected government?

        Not quite sure how that is worthy of congratulations, however the story is unfolding and we'll see how it develops.
        Bullshit. By ousting an Islamist dictator in the making, more like it.
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  • Profile picture of the author LarryC
    I never know what to believe or who to root for in such cases. The ousted leader was labeled "Islamist," which sounds sinister to Westerners. On the other hand, he was supposedly elected fairly. It's hard to know who is behind such things or how accurate the information is. We'll have to wait and see what develops.
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      Originally Posted by LarryC View Post

      I never know what to believe or who to root for in such cases. The ousted leader was labeled "Islamist," which sounds sinister to Westerners. On the other hand, he was supposedly elected fairly. It's hard to know who is behind such things or how accurate the information is. We'll have to wait and see what develops.
      Morsi made it in because of US backing. Naturally.

      When he decided courts couldn't rule against anything he wanted to do, he pretty muchly slit his own throat. That's not how democracy works -- but the majority wanted him out and that IS how democracy works. I'm just wondering what decrees he was putting through that he ruled nobody could touch and if any one of them in particular were what upset everyone. Wouldn't mind things going a little more like that over here right now.

      Anyway - any time things go wrong enough that millions of people hit the streets over it - it's time to do something about it. My congratulations stand.
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        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        Morsi made it in because of US backing. Naturally.

        When he decided courts couldn't rule against anything he wanted to do, he pretty muchly slit his own throat. That's not how democracy works -- but the majority wanted him out and that IS how democracy works. I'm just wondering what decrees he was putting through that he ruled nobody could touch and if any one of them in particular were what upset everyone. Wouldn't mind things going a little more like that over here right now.

        Anyway - any time things go wrong enough that millions of people hit the streets over it - it's time to do something about it. My congratulations stand.
        Yeah that part right there....seems to have gone right over the head of several posters on this thread.

        In reflecting on our own military...I can think of some extreme situations where military intervention of our government officials would be welcome by the public. Those types of things may never happen, but the outside possibility for "Anything" to happen always exists. That is a primary reason why the military takes an oath to defend from adversaries foreign and domestic.
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      hope the pyramids continue to survive

      I hope the military doesn't let their guard down in these troubling times over there because I'm sure there's a bunch of crazies that would love to blow them up.

      They receive a lot of foreign revenue from tourism thanks to the ancient Egyptians.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    When we visited Egypt back in 2009 one of our guides said she was worried what would happen when Mubarak's term would be over in 2011.

    She worried that he would try to install one of his sons as the leader and if he tried, the people of Egypt would not like it one bit.

    Little did she know how events would turn out.


    Morsy's was democratically elected - fair and square and he's been there around only one year and it's OK for the military to oust him?

    Is a military coup in their constitution and/or is this their version of impeachment?

    From the ops story above...

    Abadeer said Morsy lost his legitimacy in November, when he declared courts could not review his decrees and ousted the country's prosecutor-general.

    Was it because he dissed that judge guy or because the voters don't like the way things are going or both?

    Do they have a supreme court?

    Can't they wait for the next election to get rid of the guy and all/most of his friends?

    Do they have some sort of parliamentary system or do they elect the president directly?

    I guess they have a congress type of thing to counter or work with the president - as they see fit.

    Do they have any checks and balances built into their system?

    I understand their impatience but that's some democratic process they have over there.

    To quote Vince Lombardi...

    "What the hell is going on out there?"

    Oh well, I guess that is how they do it (over there)...

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Morsy's was democratically elected - fair and square and he's been there around only one year and it's OK for the military to oust him?

      Is a military coup in their constitution and/or is this their version of impeachment?
      I'd say impeachment - 20% unemployment rate and corruption at all levels can make people impatient with politicians. Morsi was beginning to act authoritarian with some of his decrees - and the new Constitution was unpopular with many people.

      Just last month, Kerry promised $1.3 billion to Egypt on a visit there. To do that Kerry had to waive Foreign Military Financing restrictions which were put in place by Congress. Hillary gave $1.5 billion to Egypt one year ago and bypassed Congressional FMF restrictions the same way.

      An oddity - last year Patrick Leahy criticized Clinton for creating a waiver to give money to Egypt - this year Leahy supported a waiver granted by Kerry. flippee floppee

      We don't seem to be very good at buying friends - so maybe we should keep our money at home????
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      • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        I'd say impeachment - 20% unemployment rate and corruption at all levels can make people impatient with politicians. Morsi was beginning to act authoritarian with some of his decrees - and the new Constitution was unpopular with many people.

        Just last month, Kerry promised $1.3 billion to Egypt on a visit there. To do that Kerry had to waive Foreign Military Financing restrictions which were put in place by Congress. Hillary gave $1.5 billion to Egypt one year ago and bypassed Congressional FMF restrictions the same way.

        An oddity - last year Patrick Leahy criticized Clinton for creating a waiver to give money to Egypt - this year Leahy supported a waiver granted by Kerry. flippee floppee

        We don't seem to be very good at buying friends - so maybe we should keep our money at home????

        My thing is that if the Egyptians are not falling out from hunger in the streets (when there's obviously plenty of food available)...

        ...they shouldn't have a military coup every time they don't like what's happening to them or the pace of the events.

        But one year after elections? One year?

        To take a country like Egypt from where they were to where they want to be is going to take some time and trouble - to say the least.

        How about waiting until the next elections and then the country can run the undesirables out on a rail?

        If the president has done something impeachable, put mechanisms in place so that impeachment proceeding can move forward - not a military coup.

        I have a big problem with military coups and also violent transfers of power after you've already agreed on a constitution.

        But that's just me.

        Maybe they left that type of stuff out of their constitution or maybe the process of impeachment is in their constitution and they didn't even bother to use it and/or maybe the coup stuff is in their constitution.




        And...

        Your criticisms of U.S. assistance to Egypt is duly noted.
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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    I don't agree with this either. I am sure GW Bush and a few other US presidents had a lower approval rating than Morsi does now. The constitution itself was conclusively passed by a referendum. All throughout his term of office, Morsi was obstructed by various members of the elite, old guard and entrenched interests.

    This is the same situation we see in countries such as Thailand and Taiwan. Where a new leader was often obstructed by an entrenched elite. In the case of Thailand, that elite coup was behind a coup against Thaksin and they would prefer to do away with democracy altogether. Another example was ex-president Khatami of Iran who was unable to do much in office.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Reports are that now the military is rounding up officials of the Muslim Brotherhood.


    And...

    Not to make this about the U.S. but for historical reference...


    The closest the U.S. came to a military coup was when the War For Independence had ended and many disgruntled officers (over back pay etc.) quietly urged General Washington to take over.

    The man could have been king and many would have supported him but...

    He deftly shamed them and relinquished control of the army back to congress.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ephrils
    An Egyptian correspondent on CNN(not the best source) said that if the current president after Mubarak did not agree to the reasons for their removal the next one would be protested to becaue of their ignorance of the Egyptian public. In other words party doesn't matter, it's serving those who put them in office.

    In this sense, it makes perfect sense they'd want to remove Morsi due to not meeting their expectations. Morsi contends they were not given enough time, and this may be true, but the overall narrative says he didn't serve the people, but the party. No ruler is safe until the people are satisfied.

    I kind of wish we had this sort of expectation in the United States. I don't think a military coup is necessary since that's changing one figurehead with another, but they're holding their leaders accountable. Why can't we?

    Things are changing overseas. People are taking action. If we've limited internet marketing to change what change are we really be making?

    The US needs a few hammers to head before it wakes up.

    Which is why I put my question in the original post. Do you think this could happen in the United States?
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    Originally Posted by Ephrils View Post

    Do you think something like this could happen in the United States?
    There ARE a lot of people sitting on the sidelines. It is amazing how far things will go. They went far in GB ALSO! ****BUT**** one day, AGAINST ALL ODDS, ..........!!!!!!!!!!

    And people were on BOTH sides of the curtain, so to speak.

    And disapproval means NOTHING! If a leader does NOTHING, will there be disapproval? PROBABLY! Will there be a coup? Probably NOT! Try getting people to praise you like god, act like you are the KING, persecute people, etc.... and you start to get to where you should probably watch your back.

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      Seems like another case where we don't know what to do so just keep changing our minds rather than do anything.

      I don't disagree with delaying the shipment but we look weak doing it after recently saying (on July 10) the shipment would not be affected.

      We can't decide who to support so we support no one - and both sides dislike us for it.
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    Since the shipment was being made without congressional approval, I don't think we have to decide too long on whether we should send it or not.
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    • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
      This has now generated into an absolute nightmare. This is looking like anything but a democratic coup.
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      • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
        Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

        This has now generated into an absolute nightmare. This is looking like anything but a democratic coup.

        Agreed!

        And there will be folks around here that still believe the coup was a god idea and even some that wish that crap would happen in the USA.

        The Egyptians voted for that government fair and square.

        How about waiting until the next elections and then the country can run the undesirables out on a rail?

        If the president has done something impeachable, they should have mechanisms in place so that impeachment proceeding can move forward -but not a military coup.

        I have a huge problem with military coups and also violent transfers of power after you've already agreed on a constitution.

        But that's just how I roll.

        Maybe they left that type of stuff out of their constitution or maybe the process of impeachment is in their constitution and they didn't even bother to use it and/or maybe the military coup stuff is actually in their constitution.


        BTW...

        I could find nothing in wikipedia's article on the Egyptian constitution regarding the orderly removal of the president of Egypt...

        ... but I did find that only 3 religions are protected, Islam, Christianity and Judaism - all others are outlawed - wow!



        BTW...

        I wouldn't be surprised if the military has done what its' done simply in order to protect their own perks and privileges.

        Constitution of Egypt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    'Not in my back yard!' As long as we don't see it affecting our lives we couldn't be bothered. In our busy lives we barely get a minute to breathe but think of how many lives are disrupted in that country while we go about our selfish lives.
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