4th Of July Celebration Or Memorial Service???

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I woke up on the morning of July 4th thinking that I would not celebrate July 4th again until the American people get their freedom back. In fact I thought I was going to wear black on that day as a sign of mourning of lost liberty. Then I got this confirmation of what I was feeling in my email box from Simon Black of Sovereign Man:

He says:

Amid all the barbecues and fireworks today in the Land of the Free, it may be worth a short pause to remember the words of Thomas Jefferson some 237-years ago:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,"

"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

Powerful stuff.

In one of the most eloquent treatises in history, Jefferson lays out that human beings are born free. And that we create governments in order to stay free.

Further, whenever governments become destructive to this effort, human beings have a right to dissolve the government and create a new one.

Jefferson then lays out an entire laundry list of grievances against the British King that have compelled the colonists to throw off the chains of tyranny and form a new government. This "long train of abuses" includes:

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments

As the modern, dysfunctional version of the US government has become little better than the court of King George III, one might make the exact same arguments today.

They have employed a multitude of offices, from the National Security Agency to the US Postal Service, to illegally spy on their citizens.

They have used the power and intimidation of tax authorities to bully political opposition groups.

They have authorized the military detention and drone assassination of their own citizens.

They have indebted future generations who will not be born for decades, and squandered the nations wealth on fraud, waste, and foreign military folly.

They have destroyed the primary function of the free market by awarding supreme monetary authority to a tiny banking elite.

They have passed tomes of new laws and regulations which criminalize everything from collecting rainwater to childhood lemonade stands.

I'm sure you would have a several more to add to this list. And I'd be curious to hear from you about it.

By Jefferson's own standard, it seems rather clear that the government-- most governments-- have become destructive against their higher purpose: to safeguard the people's liberty.

Today shouldn't be a celebration... it should be a memorial service. Or at least a time to reflect heavily-- when will enough finally be enough? When will it be time to act?

Until tomorrow,
Simon Black
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    I think I'd rather just have a barbecue and drink beer.
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

      I think I'd rather just have a barbecue and drink beer.
      Unfortunately so would the majority of Americans, except for the "I think" part.
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    One british person, yesterday, said we would be better under King George III.

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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

    Great words. But they'd have more meaning if he would have applied them to his slaves.

    I wonder what the slaves Jefferson owned would think about that period of time as compared to today and our "lack of freedoms"?

    Or how about the white men that didn't own property, therefore couldn't vote?

    Or any woman who couldn't vote? Or the blacks that were considered 3/5ths of a person?

    Or how the Founding Fathers had laws restricting the use of arms?

    Or how President George Washington lead a armed militia against a group of farmers protesting high taxes in the "Whiskey Rebellion"?

    Or how the Native Americans feel about their "unalienable Rights" when Ben Franklin wrote about starving the mastiffs for a few days before sicking them on the Natives so the dogs would be even meaner when they attacked? Nothing like the freedom of being eaten by huge, hungry dogs.

    Or the US Gov giving blankets tainted with diseases the Natives had poor resitence to?

    Yep, those where the good old days, alright.
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Great words. But they'd have more meaning if he would have applied them to his slaves.

      I wonder what the slaves Jefferson owned would think about that period of time as compared to today and our "lack of freedoms"?

      Or how about the white men that didn't own property, therefore couldn't vote?

      Or any woman who couldn't vote? Or the blacks that were considered 3/5ths of a person?

      Or how the Founding Fathers had laws restricting the use of arms?

      Or how President George Washington lead a armed militia against a group of farmers protesting high taxes in the "Whiskey Rebellion"?

      Or how the Native Americans feel about their "unalienable Rights" when Ben Franklin wrote about starving the mastiffs for a few days before sicking them on the Natives so the dogs would be even meaner when they attacked? Nothing like the freedom of being eaten by huge, hungry dogs.

      Or the US Gov giving blankets tainted with diseases the Natives had poor resitence to?

      Yep, those where the good old days, alright.
      You're right Kurt. We should of just let the British continue to rule us.
      Much better idea then using the foundation that those you detest laid for us to build on.
      Without that foundation where do you think we would be now?
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      • Profile picture of the author ThomM
        By the way Kurt. Jefferson knew slavery was wrong, but also knew it wouldn't be demolished in his lifetime. His hopes where that the next generation would "drink the milk of liberty" and free the slaves making all men equal. He was a bit of a racist as this article points out, but considering the times. not as bad as people like you think.
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      • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        You're right Kurt. We should of just let the British continue to rule us.
        Not a bad idea.

        I am free tomorrow.

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        • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
          Originally Posted by jimbo13 View Post

          Not a bad idea.

          I am free tomorrow.

          Dan
          What a coincidence. There are a great many people over here willing to give up their freedoms tomorrow.
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        • Profile picture of the author ThomM
          Originally Posted by jimbo13 View Post

          Not a bad idea.

          I am free tomorrow.

          Dan
          Just don't mess with my bacon
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          • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
            Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

            Just don't mess with my bacon
            My apologies if my silly tongue in cheek comment offended anyone earlier, that wasn't my intention at all.

            Regarding the bacon though, British bacon has on several occasions saved my life when waking me from drink induced comas.

            I'd give it a chance.
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            • Profile picture of the author ThomM
              Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

              My apologies if my silly tongue in cheek comment offended anyone earlier, that wasn't my intention at all.

              Regarding the bacon though, British bacon has on several occasions saved my life when waking me from drink induced comas.

              I'd give it a chance.
              Didn't offend me at all Richard.
              I've never had British bacon.
              I've had Irish bacon, is it similar?
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              • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                If you back to the Founding Fathers and say "they shouldn't have done this and this and that" - does that neutralize the things they DID?

                No - it was a different time with different attitudes. We have progressed from that but in the process have become more shallow and demanding.

                Our children have educational opportunities that didn't exist in Jefferson's time - and many of them waste the chances they have. We have work opportunities that are safer and more abundant - and people complain about "having to work a job".

                We've achieved freedom for races and women to become what they want in life - but many people focus on what they are OWED instead.

                Wearing black on July 4th is the kind of "personal statement" we've begun to think of as "doing something". Wear black, sign a petition, complain on a blog - and feel like you've accomplished something important.

                On July 4 I celebrate the natural beauty of this country - the kindness of people I know - the joy of being able to decide what I do on that day and of watching the eyes of children as fireworks light the sky.

                This country will never be perfect but we need a day or two a year where we celebrate what is good about it.
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              • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
                Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

                Didn't offend me at all Richard.
                I've never had British bacon.
                I've had Irish bacon, is it similar?
                Pretty much identical.

                Same pigs separated by a touch of water. I buy Clonakilty bacon and sausages which my grandmother (who was Irish) swore by.

                Personally, I'd eat any bacon and I think my life would be ruined if we ever ran out. Al Murray, a comedian over here, is convinced bacon is proof of God.

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyWN5017wD8
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                • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                  Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                  Pretty much identical.

                  Same pigs separated by a touch of water. I buy Clonakilty bacon and sausages which my grandmother (who was Irish) swore by.

                  Personally, I'd eat any bacon and I think my life would be ruined if we ever ran out. Al Murray, a comedian over here, is convinced bacon is proof of God.

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyWN5017wD8
                  Cool. I liked the Irish bacon I had, and Canadian bacon, American bacon, hell just label something bacon and I'm in
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                  • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
                    Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

                    Cool. I liked the Irish bacon I had, and Canadian bacon, American bacon, hell just label something bacon and I'm in
                    Sorry, I swear I won't mention bacon again after this but Australian bacon is lovely too.

                    I'm with you. If it tastes like bacon, looks like bacon and it's called bacon, then it may well save your life.

                    If the police raided my house and I was cooking a bacon sarnie, trust me, I could subdue those coppers in seconds.

                    Anyway, I digress, back to the topic in hand......
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              Bacon is the best. And healthy.

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      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Great words. But they'd have more meaning if he would have applied them to his slaves.

      I wonder what the slaves Jefferson owned would think about that period of time as compared to today and our "lack of freedoms"?

      Or how about the white men that didn't own property, therefore couldn't vote?

      Or any woman who couldn't vote? Or the blacks that were considered 3/5ths of a person?

      Or how the Founding Fathers had laws restricting the use of arms?

      Or how President George Washington lead a armed militia against a group of farmers protesting high taxes in the "Whiskey Rebellion"?

      Or how the Native Americans feel about their "unalienable Rights" when Ben Franklin wrote about starving the mastiffs for a few days before sicking them on the Natives so the dogs would be even meaner when they attacked? Nothing like the freedom of being eaten by huge, hungry dogs.

      Or the US Gov giving blankets tainted with diseases the Natives had poor resitence to?

      Yep, those where the good old days, alright.
      Do those problems exist today? Or have they been solved?

      Or does it even matter to you?
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    Strange how people b$tch about the US & their lack of freedom, show me a country with more freedom than the US (be realistic). Please don't say Greenland. :rolleyes:

    When was the last time you had your home invaded by military force in the US, (the answer would be never)?

    Stop looking for pity & appreciate what you have.
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Strange how people b about the US & their lack of freedom, show me a country with more freedom than the US (be realistic). Please don't say Greenland. :rolleyes:

      When was the last time you had your home invaded by military force in the US, (the answer would be never)?

      Stop looking for pity & appreciate what you have.
      I'll tell that to the guy in Buffalo who had his door broke down and dog shot will the cops raided the wrong house.
      Or the two family's that had their homes taken over by police so the cops could do a surveillance and got arrested for not complying.
      When our cops are wearing military gear and using military weapons them have become the military. Look at what happened after the Boston Bombing going street by street in assault tanks evicting people from their homes at gun point looking for one fugitive (that a citizen found).
      Much better to just conform then complain, what's a few rights in the grand scheme of things.:rolleyes:
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        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        I'll tell that to the guy in Buffalo who had his door broke down and dog shot will the cops raided the wrong house.
        Or the two family's that had their homes taken over by police so the cops could do a surveillance and got arrested for not complying.
        When our cops are wearing military gear and using military weapons them have become the military. Look at what happened after the Boston Bombing going street by street in assault tanks evicting people from their homes at gun point looking for one fugitive (that a citizen found).
        Much better to just conform then complain, what's a few rights in the grand scheme of things.:rolleyes:
        Yea, you do that, that's a regular old Nazi regime going on there. :rolleyes:

        If it's so bad hit the bricks.
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        • Profile picture of the author ThomM
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          Yea, you do that, that's a regular old Nazi regime going on there. :rolleyes:

          If it's so bad hit the bricks.
          Right so we should just be calm until it is worse:rolleyes:
          Or maybe bow down to our masters like you?
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            Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

            Right so we should just be calm until it is worse:rolleyes:
            Or maybe bow down to our masters like you?
            Please... :rolleyes:

            When was the last time you were threatened by the US Gov. (never)?

            People b$tch & moan about security, If there wasn't any security, they would b$tch about that too.

            If you think it's so bad in the US head on over to Egypt & help them oust a crazy guy only to vote in another crazy. Keep ousting/voting until the worlds a better place.




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