Remove Signature links?

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Lately i can see many new posters with a single post adding signature links and posting sort of useless stuff - probably just to get people click on the sig link?

Probably a good idea to remove the signature links till a member reaches 50 -100 posts?

I like warrior forums and would hate to see it go the DP forums way - where people are just spamming the boards with useless topics.
  • Profile picture of the author twister85
    You find many ways to stop spam and spammers will find x2 ways to increase it. Yes That's a good suggestion for decreasing it but spam here at the off topic forum cannot be stopped .
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  • Profile picture of the author ViralMediaBoost
    Many forum sites use that idea and it may be effective at first but people will always find ways and will get what they want. I don't think removing signature links can stop the spamming problem. Spam will always be there but what the admins do are very effective in controlling spammers.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Many forum sites use that idea and it may be effective at first but people will always find ways and will get what they want.
      Take his word for it, folks. He'd know. Sells paid posting services, and is almost certainly the same guy who's been banned here repeatedly for various things. Excessive pointless posting, PM spamming, promoting his services in the discussion areas. Stuff like that. He and a very few others are the source of most of the spam we get here from the Philippines.

      If it's not him, he's already breaking one of the earliest rules for sigs, and not in a very smart way.

      VMB... Would you be so kind as to explain to me why you have one of Jaycee's sites in your signature?


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  • Profile picture of the author kenzo22
    We have to pay in order to become members. I think this is a great mechanism of keeping spammers away
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    All the more reason to force at least a $1 fee for new member registration. They'll get tired of spending $1 every time they get banned for spamming new accounts, at the very least it would curb automated spam.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Yukon,

      At this point, they've pretty stopped nearly all of the automated spam that wasn't getting through when there was a registration fee. (Yes, there were a couple of clever creeps who figured a hack to get around that somehow. We still don't know how that was done.)

      The idiot who created most of the flood of wsqMSrxBkN -style accounts that buried everything for a day or two is still trying. He's attempted over 100 new accounts today alone, but the new checks on registration have kept him out.

      I think that initial flood has sensitized people to the point where they notice the relatively small additional amount of spam more than they would have otherwise.


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      • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Yukon,

        At this point, they've pretty stopped nearly all of the automated spam that wasn't getting through when there was a registration fee. (Yes, there were a couple of clever creeps who figured a hack to get around that somehow. We still don't know how that was done.)
        I am going to shoot you a PM abut that
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  • Profile picture of the author tmtechno
    Automated spam is relatively easier to detect and prevent. But it is harder to detect when people join just for promoting stuff with tactics like posting 'thank you', 'well done', 'very nice' with a sig link at the bottom. Sometime they would repost a very basic question that has been done to death - pretending to be genuine participants. This trend was prevalent on DP forums 5 years ago - nobody checked it at that time and the community went downhill fast.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Sometime they would repost a very basic question that has been done to death - pretending to be genuine participants.
      This was a huge problem in the SEO section for a long time. They rarely got reported, though, so they could pile up and sour otherwise useful threads.

      That, unfortunately, will be back now. Hopefully folks will report them more often.


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  • Profile picture of the author tmtechno
    @Paul Myers - That is why deterrents such as minimum number of posts for posting links or stiff fee for registration could be a good idea.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      The minimum post count idea has almost always backfired. Every time we implement that for anything forum-wide, it encourages people to go on mindless posting sprees, just to reach the "Magic Number."

      The spammers just drop the link into their posts when sigs aren't available, so it doesn't prevent the problem you're concerned about anyway. All it would do is hurt the legitimate posters who won't waste people's time with garbage.

      Sounds logical, until you see how the abusers respond.

      I preferred having the registration fee, but that's not my call.


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  • Profile picture of the author PROmotions LLC
    What is their thinking behind making those clearly automated usernames?! I spot the bot created usernames before I actually see the spam messages. I would put money on it too that someone somewhere paid for them to do that. I wonder how much? I wonder if they know that their "SEO Services" they paid for consist of spamming the Warrior Forum.

    The paid membership is cool because it separates the riff raff. If you're going to spend money to be on here, then clearly you plan to engage in appropriate forum behavior and communicate with other members, make helpful posts ETC. Every time I see one of those "one liners" (you know what I am talking about) it is almost always a non-paid member. 99% of the time when I see people promoting their product "nonchalantly" or so they think it is, it is almost always a non-paid member. I don't think the signatures are the problem, I think it's the links in the signatures. It probably really helped when there were not allowed to be affiliate links in your signatures. If there is a way to copy paste the OP's posts into Google and see if there are multiple exact matches, that person should get penalized. Too many times I see people "trying" to make "helpful" posts, but just end up copy pasting entire articles and adding, "Hope this helps" in the beginning. IDK about any of you but when I see that sh%t, it insults my intelligence. Do you really think that a forum that has been around since the late 90's, is centered around IM, SEO, and CONTENT, would be blind to someone just copy pasting other peoples content on here??

    High Five if you ever copy pasted someones post from WF into Google to expose them!
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      What is their thinking behind making those clearly automated usernames?!
      "If it sticks, great. If not, so what?"

      Really. That's just a numbers game for these guys, with machines doing the heavy lifting. And, for sites that aren't monitored, or that have been abandoned but left online, it's a lot of links for a very little effort. How useful those links are is a whole other discussion.
      The paid membership is cool because it separates the riff raff. If you're going to spend money to be on here, then clearly you plan to engage in appropriate forum behavior and communicate with other members, make helpful posts ETC.
      Well, that's what many people would think.

      There is a very small group of what I call "Evil Bastiches" who will pervert any system we put in place, and the more destructively they can do it, the happier they are. They're flat out scammers, and ought to be in prison.

      We got rid of a chunk of them by changing the JV section to require mod approval, and making some other adjustments. It's impossible to totally keep out the determined creeps, though. If they see the ROI, they'll do pretty much anything they need to do to get around the blocks. And it's really not all that difficult.


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    • Profile picture of the author salegurus
      Originally Posted by PROmotions LLC View Post

      The paid membership is cool because it separates the riff raff.
      Yeah, it was great while it was lasted...
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Shivam,
        So isn't there any way to track those websites and then getting the administrative information via whois or something then pulling out the person behind him.
        If we started that, there'd be a rush of joe-jobs. People spamming their competition's links, to get them banned. And the spammers who're pushing the automated stuff into the forum (or trying) aren't set up in ways that we'd be able to do much about. They are not, for the most part, members here.

        The automated spammers are mostly pushing pills, porn, and Prada.


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          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          The automated spammers are mostly pushing pills, porn, and Prada.
          Good alliterative title for the first volume of your memoirs, there, Paul: "Pills, Porn and Prada: 20 Years of Forum Moderation" by Paul Myers. (I'm waiting for the sequel, myself: "Moderation In All Things".)
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  • Profile picture of the author PROmotions LLC
    I think that for how big this forum is and how much traffic it gets, everyone is doing a pretty damn good job keeping it on topic and not overly spammed. Usually if I see a spam post, I click on the red triangle, and it leads me to an invalid thread page, meaning someone is already on it! I am confident this forum is doing fine as far as finding spammers, but spammers will always find loopholes. There was that one day a couple of weeks ago where WF got hit pretty hard, and all of that "damage" was wiped out within 24 hours.
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  • Profile picture of the author tmtechno
    Something like minimum posts plus a waiting period of 30 - 50 days might work. If one wants to post link before that - let him/her pay for it. Most spammers will give up by then, imo.

    Yes a few determined enough will still get past but the idea is to reduce the quantity of such entities.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      the idea is to reduce the quantity of such entities.
      ... with a minimum of negative impact to legitimate members. If you keep that in mind, things look very different than if you just try to squash the spammers.

      Always got to look for the balance.


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  • Profile picture of the author twister85
    Okay. I'am not aware of this stuff but most of the spammers are promoting websites in their spam threads and sig files. So isn't there any way to track those websites and then getting the administrative information via whois or something then pulling out the person behind him. Reporting him and showing what he has done? I'am pretty sure the automated accounts are promoting the same website so can't we just cut the tree before he get the peoples to hang up there?

    And sorry for my english. I'am a jigglypuff.
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