Follow me Threads, Not Allowed?

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I'm curious, I was thinking of starting a follow me thread, but I think they are not allowed on this board...anywhere, but if it is let me know where is the correct place to put this.

I'm starting a new business and I want to post progress and video updates daily of what I'm doing to see if anyone is interested.

IMHO, I believe it's very unwise (perhaps downright silly) to not allow Follow me Threads for the following reasons.

1.) As long as the content is 'good', it adds to the warrior forum and keeps people coming to the site. Why wouldn't warrior forum want that!? More people coming to the forum = more money they make.

2.) Yes, the threads get constantly get bumped to the top, so just put a limit of once a day, and what does it matter if the content is good.

3.) If someone is going to do a follow-me they will do it anyways, so better to have it on warrior forum where people can see what you are doing and warrior forum gets the benefits of the traffic.

I can't think of any real logical good reason why follow me threads should not be allowed.

I'm not saying I think this... but right now I get the impression it's a control-power trip on the admin's part unless they have a good reason otherwise.

I'm interested to learn more about this policy.
  • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
    The reason, 'follow me,' threads aren't allowed is because they typically turn out to be extended sales pitches.

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  • Profile picture of the author x11joex11
    Then what you are arguing is that 'Extended Sales Pitches' are bad. I can agree that if everyone was posting sales pitches the 'value' of the forum would go down if their post was nothing but a sales pitch. But if the the 'Follow me thread' actually delivered good content, I think this trumps whatever downside the extended sales pitch would have (if it even happened at all).

    For example, Dane Maxwell is famous for posts that deliver high quality content despite it being an extended sales pitch, but the content is still good and real, so I reply, who cares if it's a sales pitch. As long as there is good content along with it, I don't believe it hurts the value of the forum.

    That begs the question of course what determines 'good content'. That rests with the admins and the people of the forum to judge the thread in particular. That is what the 'report' button is for.

    The easiest solution is to just have a section in the forum for 'Follow me Threads'. This would mean less policing for admin's as well.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      No - the easy solution is to post your "follow me" thread on your own blog. Follow me threads are not allowed on the forum for good reason.

      who cares if it's a sales pitch
      The owner of the forum. The mods. The rest of us....:p That's why there are multiple sections where you can pay to advertise.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by x11joex11 View Post

      The easiest solution is to just have a section in the forum for 'Follow me Threads'. This would mean less policing for admin's as well.
      Not really.

      Some of the people that come here don't come here with the best intentions. Having a whole new part of the forum for follow me threads would also need policing.

      Another point is the amount of moderaters to members ratio. They already do a huge amount of policing that none of us see. I suspect it's more than a full time job as it is.

      One more point is that this has been suggested many times in my short time here. There is a reason the mods don't want them and although you might, for yourself or the good of the forum, want them, they don't.
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  • Profile picture of the author x11joex11
    The owner of the forum. The mods. The rest of us.... That's why there are multiple sections where you can pay to advertise.
    You say the rest of us like you are everyone... I don't believe that is true. If there was good content it would be fine... HOWEVER -> Yes there are places to advertise and warrior forum makes its money this way so they should not advertise their products or whatever in that kind of thread, but how is a follow me thread advertising though?

    If they choose to advertise at the end then fine since that is a loop-hole against warrior forum policy close the thread or use the 'Report Button', but how is that different from any other thread?

    I could advertise at the end of any given thread, hell even this one. Why treat follow-me threads any different? Is there definitive proof that follow me threads ALWAYS try to sell something at the end?

    I think they add more value then take away and I believe a lot of people would agree with me.

    No - the easy solution is to post your "follow me" thread on your own blog
    The problem with the blog is no one see's that. I didn't even know about the blog until I tested it today. It's an 'ok' option but I still think a follow me section is better since users will find it more easily and be able to respond, especially newer users who would be interested in those kind of threads the most. C'mon lets be honest when is the last time you actually looked at a 'blog' of someone on here...
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    • Profile picture of the author SteveJohnson
      The bottom line is that the WF has the traffic, you want some of it, and you want it for free.

      If your knowledge is so valuable, start a new thread and tell people how you've done something...AFTER you've done it.
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    • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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      Originally Posted by x11joex11 View Post

      The problem with the blog is no one see's that.
      I'm sure there's a clue there then.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    You think they add value,many here do not think so.
    Did you post this question in the upper forums?
    Why are you posting down here in Off Topic?
    I've seen many come post down here after they have asked a question in the upper forums and the question has gotten knocked down or the thread deleted.

    Seems to me you are flogging a dead horse.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I think they add more value then take away and I believe a lot of people would agree with me.
      Fine - and you are free to start your own forum and allow follow-me threads.

      The only problem with your argument is that follow-me threads are not allowed on THIS forum by this forum's owner. Once you know that - there's no point in arguing further, is there?
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      If they were permitted, you'd end up with a board full of people establishing those kind of threads for exposure and then updating them every 5 minutes to reap further exposure.

      Your proposal then would be self defeating since if you were permitted your own thread would just be one of 10 million in a journal junkyard.

      That's the logical reason and it's why blogs exist.

      There are too many people fighting for the pedestal.

      Just run a blog and link to it in your sig. You can choose to do it externally or begin a Warrior blog.

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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Originally Posted by x11joex11 View Post

    IMHO, I believe it's very unwise (perhaps downright silly) to not allow Follow me Threads ...
    You're not suggesting anything new, and your reasoning is not new either. Fortunately for the good of the forum the way it's run is based on years of experience and not beliefs.
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  • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
    Originally Posted by x11joex11 View Post

    I can't think of any real logical good reason why follow me threads should not be allowed.



    You answered this question yourself in your OP with this comment below.




    Originally Posted by x11joex11 View Post

    I'm starting a new business and I want to post progress and video updates daily of what I'm doing to see if anyone is interested.



    A follow me thread would be in the realm of a soft sell as you have stated above, you are selling yourself to see if anyone is interested in your business model.



    Originally Posted by x11joex11 View Post

    The problem with the blog is no one see's that. I didn't even know about the blog until I tested it today. It's an 'ok' option but I still think a follow me section is better since users will find it more easily and be able to respond, especially newer users who would be interested in those kind of threads the most. C'mon lets be honest when is the last time you actually looked at a 'blog' of someone on here...



    This couldn't be further from the truth! Warrior blogs get a lot of exposure, just a few minutes ago I seen a blog that was put up a few hours ago and already has received 14 views, another is only 2 days old and has 83 views.
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  • Profile picture of the author x11joex11
    I don't have a lot of time to reply just yet, but I'm not asking this for 'my own benefit' but for the benefit of the forum. I don't intend to 'sell myself to anyone'. I want to hold myself accountable for starting my business. If the blog will truly do that on here I will give it a try and report back.

    I'll respond to all the above comments tonight.
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  • Profile picture of the author x11joex11
    The bottom line is that the WF has the traffic, you want some of it, and you want it for free.
    Well you make a good point there I can't argue that, so I've come up with a good compromise I think. You are wrong about me wanting it for free, I actually would pay.

    I can't change what the mods want to do, it's their forum and I'm just a lowly user. Obviously I'm not arguing that.

    I was merely giving them a suggestion which I think would bring them lots of traffic and then revenue for themselves. To be honest, for myself personally I'd pay good $$'s for the right to have a follow me thread.

    *hint to admins*.

    It's worth it for the traffic it would bring and the people to hold you accountable to what you are doing. I have a hunch others would pay too. For myself I would pay $1 a day for sure to have a follow me thread to help keep myself accountable. By paying it would also discourage posts that are just trying to sell as well since it would not be worth it for the money you pay.

    That would cost me $30/month to keep it going, that is nothing a drop... a drop in the bucket compared to the motivation it brings me to have people following and commenting on your progress and giving you ideas.

    Thoughts anyone?
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      Originally Posted by x11joex11 View Post

      You are wrong about me wanting it for free, I actually would pay.
      So stop trying to justify spam threads & go buy a WSO. Done.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        You are wrong about me wanting it for free, I actually would pay.
        No one cares.

        You tried a follow me thread months ago - it was locked because those threads are not permitted here. Months later and you are still arguing???

        You are pushing your "suggestion" in multiple threads and that's not a good idea. The forum owner doesn't need your money, the mods are volunteers and the rest of us aren't interested in reading your diary. Be accountable to YOURSELF.

        Let it go. Period. End of story.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by x11joex11 View Post

      Well you make a good point there I can't argue that, so I've come up with a good compromise I think. You are wrong about me wanting it for free, I actually would pay.
      I'm only guessing, but you might be able to do that in the classified ads section, but you'd have to submit a ticket to find out for sure.


      The problem isn't with one person starting a follow me thread. The problem is if it were allowed, there are 629,640 members according to the front page of the site. If only 1/10 of 1% started a follow me thread that would be 630 follow me threads.

      There are only 55 threads shown on the front page of the main forum. With 630 follow me threads, it would be impossible for legitimate discussion threads to get the attention they deserve. They fall off the front page pretty fast as it is.

      What you're suggesting just isn't practical.
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        I didn't know you were their spokesperson
        You rang?

        They are not allowed in the discussion sections, and they will not be allowed in the discussion sections. The reasons given to you cover the subject quite nicely.

        Additionally, you would not be allowed to post a "follow me" thread in the paid advertising sections unless you were actually selling something in it.

        If you really must have a thread to keep you motivated, put it on your blog, and add a link in your signature. Update the signature regularly. If the content really is all that good, you'll get people reading it.

        Or just start a Facebook page. Or even a group, which might actually be useful.

        As far as your suggestion for a separate forum section for these, I would recommend strongly against it. These threads need aggressive monitoring, and I don't personally care to invest the extra time for the predictable aggravation and abuse that would go with it.


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  • Profile picture of the author x11joex11
    No one cares.

    You tried a follow me thread months ago - it was locked because those threads are not permitted here. Months later and you are still arguing???
    For the record, I'm not arguing anything... I'm suggesting.

    I could care less about my thread a month ago, I'm just pushing what I believe is a good idea. If they don't want to listen it's no big deal. My suggestion is only in '2' threads. One is in off topic, and suggestion so I could get people to see it. So if you count '2' threads as multiple then I don't know how to help you there, especially with the threads being in appropriate areas (offtopic & suggestion forum)

    The forum owner doesn't need your money
    That is pretty presumptuous to say. Let the admin's talk to me on the offer, I'd gladly pay them. I didn't know you were their spokesperson, but if that is the case, it's the case, it's their forum and again I'm just offering to pay them money if they want it, simple as that.

    No one cares.
    seems like you do... or you wouldn't be responding to this.
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      Originally Posted by x11joex11 View Post

      For the record, I'm not arguing anything... I'm suggesting.

      I could care less about my thread a month ago, I'm just pushing what I believe is a good idea. If they don't want to listen it's no big deal. My suggestion is only in '2' threads. One is in off topic, and suggestion so I could get people to see it. So if you count '2' threads as multiple then I don't know how to help you there, especially with the threads being in appropriate areas (offtopic & suggestion forum)



      That is pretty presumptuous to say. Let the admin's talk to me on the offer, I'd gladly pay them. I didn't know you were their spokesperson, but if that is the case, it's the case, it's their forum and again I'm just offering to pay them money if they want it, simple as that.



      seems like you do... or you wouldn't be responding to this.
      This ain't gonna happen UNLESS you're willing to pay for it and then it would be a longshot. There are private forums where people can "rent" space for their own little piece of WF. There's one for video marketing, Kindle marketing and maybe one or two others.

      If you have an idea for a special paid sub-forum contact Admin and ask.
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  • Profile picture of the author x11joex11
    Thats fine, was only a suggestion. For many of the responses here it kind of proves my point on 'why the hate?' in the mind section of the forum.

    http://www.warriorforum.com/mind-war...much-hate.html

    A lot of people in this thread didn't have any 'tact'.

    Thanks Paul for considering in any-case.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Joe,
      A lot of people in this thread didn't have any 'tact'.
      Possibly gentler than you think. It's not as though your comments were entirely tactful.

      What you were experiencing was a long way from hate. A bit of minor annoyance, perhaps, at "Yet Another One." A new member, making rather insistent claims for the sense of a proposed change to a policy that has been discussed many, many times over the years.

      I promise you... If the folks here "hated" you for it, they would leave little doubt of their feelings.

      The notion of a separate section for these is something I've considered in the past. It didn't take long to come to the realization that it would be a time sink for the mods and provide nothing for the members they couldn't easily get with what's available to them right now.

      If you just want some place to post your progress publicly and are a War Room member, you have a blog included as part of your membership. If you're not a War Room member, you can get a free blog, or even free hosting for your a blog you yourself own, a lot of places. If the content you're posting is worthwhile, there are ways to get people to visit and keep coming back.

      Doing that could be one of the things you make it a goal to learn.

      If you want a mutual support group/mastermind, you could create your own social group here. When you see people at the same level who are also putting in the effort, send them a PM and invite them to join. Weed out the ones who do nothing, and help the ones who are taking action. Over time, that could turn into a very valuable network.

      Or, you could create your own private forum, and do the same thing. Or use a blog with a forum plugin. That could cover both options.

      You could create a Facebook group, and invite people to join in. Make it a "share a lesson and keep each other accountable" network.

      You could create a Facebook page where you announce your progress and allow people to comment and make suggestions. If you are consistent and actually show that you're doing things, you might be able to get enough feedback for it to be useful.

      What you want to do is good. It's simply not something it would be wise to allow here, given the way so many people would abuse it if it were.


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      • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        If you want a mutual support group/mastermind, you could create your own social group here. When you see people at the same level who are also putting in the effort, send them a PM and invite them to join. Weed out the ones who do nothing, and help the ones who are taking action. Over time, that could turn into a very valuable network.

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        Holy Moley, that's an incredible idea.


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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by x11joex11 View Post

      Thats fine, was only a suggestion. For many of the responses here it kind of proves my point on 'why the hate?' in the mind section of the forum.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/mind-war...much-hate.html

      A lot of people in this thread didn't have any 'tact'.

      Thanks Paul for considering in any-case.
      Sorry if my post came across as untactful, it certainly wasn't meant to be, you thanked me so I'll assume you didn't mean me.

      What you want to do is good. It's simply not something it would be wise to allow here, given the way so many people would abuse it if it were.
      What Paul said above is what I was getting at about the new section of the forum increasing their level of policing, rather than reducing it, as you suggested.
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  • Profile picture of the author x11joex11
    Sorry if my post came across as untactful, it certainly wasn't meant to be, you thanked me so I'll assume you didn't mean me.
    I thank everyone regardless of being tactful or not for responding. Richard Van you are fine I didn't see anything bad in your posts.

    As for a few other comments on here, I thanked a few on purpose for being not tactful. I don't consider someone with an opposite opinion not tactful that is perfectly fine. I don't claim to be perfectly tactful either as Paul pointed out... but I think I'm doing better than this comment below...

    No one cares.

    You tried a follow me thread months ago - it was locked because those threads are not permitted here. Months later and you are still arguing???

    You are pushing your "suggestion" in multiple threads and that's not a good idea. The forum owner doesn't need your money, the mods are volunteers and the rest of us aren't interested in reading your diary. Be accountable to YOURSELF.

    Let it go. Period. End of story.
    That is rather not tactful if you ask me. There is nothing productive said in that statement at all, because it is overshadowed and perceived as slander. This is the 'hate' I was talking about. I think I get his point, but he could have written that a lot better, probably instead like, "IMHO, Sometimes you just got to be tough and handle business on your own and hold yourself accountable. I noticed you created a thread before on this topic, perhaps this is why you want this? The mods don't allow this though for reasons of past abuse. Sometimes you just got to let these things go."

    That is all he had to say to get the point across but instead, he started with, "No one cares" & "and the rest of us aren't interested in reading your diary", those are untactful comments in particular. If he had to say that he could say, "It's also likely that if you did create a follow me thread, IMHO not many people would follow it.", this way he would not come across as an arrogant [enter curse word here], IMHO.

    Thoughts?

    If you just want some place to post your progress publicly and are a War Room member
    I do have a WarRoom membership by the way, purchased it a long time ago. I didn't know that allowed me to have a blog entry so I will have to look into that. I guess you don't know till you try. I'll start using the blog on here and see if anyone likes what I'm trying... of course one member doesn't already think so .
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Thoughts?

      I think I get his point
      He's a she, doofus. That tactful enough for ya?:p
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  • Profile picture of the author x11joex11
    He's a she, doofus. That tactful enough for ya?
    Sure I'll take that for now .
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