Have you noticed that most of online gurus are all male??

by iLyn
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(Curious cat here lol )

Just wondering why most if not all of online gurus are males? They are the people who mostly dominate the IM world. The one who formulate proven online strategies. The thoughts came to me after buying so many WSO lol and people behind them are men...

Maybe i just missed some of the women.:rolleyes:
  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    There are hundreds of thousands of successful women marketing online. I wouldn't worry too much about what the gurus are doing. What is a guru, anyway?
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    • Profile picture of the author KimW
      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      There are hundreds of thousands of successful women marketing online. I wouldn't worry too much about what the gurus are doing. What is a guru, anyway?
      Not much,what's a guru with you?
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        It's easier for men to be "Guru's. White men.

        Women are judged by how they look, far more than men, and they are less successful selling from the stage. Not because women aren't good leaders, but because our culture judges them differently.

        In America, it's also harder for anyone that isn't white to be a "Guru". Their audiences are smaller.

        Short men have a harder time selling from the stage. If you have bad posture, it hurts. If you stutter, it hurts. Having piercings that show hurts.

        I mean hurts your accessibility to the largest audiences. The fact is, a part of the population has biases.

        Most women Gurus have almost all female followers. I'm talking about business guru's.

        I'm not saying that any of these people aren't deserving, it's just harder.

        Tall white men with deep voices are assumed to be dominate, until they prove otherwise.

        A woman speaker has to be better at selling to get sales as good as an an average man.

        Being very young (or looking like a teenager) hurts. looking over 65 years old, hurts. Having an illness that shows hurts. Again, I'm only talking about being in front of a group selling.

        At 58, I'm already seeing younger people think of me as "That nice Mr. Whitacre", as though I'm "harmless" and I "Mean well". I still sell well in general audiences, but the average age of my client is creeping up as I age.

        It will get worse as I get older. I don't take it personally, because it isn't meant personally. It's just people's perceptions.

        If you talk about religion a lot to a non religious audience, it hurts. If you let a general audience know that you are Gay, it hurts (unless it's a predominately Gay audience)

        There are still prejudices in the world, and it affects sales. I wish it were otherwise.
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        • Profile picture of the author iLyn
          Hi Claude, thanks for the insight and yes thats so true..not fair but true.


          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          It's easier for men to be "Guru's. White men.

          Women are judged by how they look, far more than men, and they are less successful selling from the stage. Not because women aren't good leaders, but because our culture judges them differently.

          In America, it's also harder for anyone that isn't white to be a "Guru". Their audiences are smaller.

          Short men have a harder time selling from the stage. If you have bad posture, it hurts. If you stutter, it hurts. Having piercings that show hurts.

          I mean hurts your accessibility to the largest audiences. The fact is, a part of the population has biases.

          Most women Gurus have almost all female followers. I'm talking about business guru's.

          I'm not saying that any of these people aren't deserving, it's just harder.

          Tall white men with deep voices are assumed to be dominate, until they prove otherwise.

          A woman speaker has to be better at selling to get sales as good as an an average man.

          Being very young (or looking like a teenager) hurts. looking over 65 years old, hurts. Having an illness that shows hurts. Again, I'm only talking about being in front of a group selling.

          At 58, I'm already seeing younger people think of me as "That nice Mr. Whitacre", as though I'm "harmless" and I "Mean well". I still sell well in general audiences, but the average age of my client is creeping up as I age.

          It will get worse as I get older. I don't take it personally, because it isn't meant personally. It's just people's perceptions.

          If you talk about religion a lot to a non religious audience, it hurts. If you let a general audience know that you are Gay, it hurts (unless it's a predominately Gay audience)

          There are still prejudices in the world, and it affects sales. I wish it were otherwise.
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        • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          It's easier for men to be "Guru's. White men.

          Women are judged by how they look, far more than men, and they are less successful selling from the stage. Not because women aren't good leaders, but because our culture judges them differently.

          In America, it's also harder for anyone that isn't white to be a "Guru". Their audiences are smaller.

          Short men have a harder time selling from the stage. If you have bad posture, it hurts. If you stutter, it hurts. Having piercings that show hurts.

          I mean hurts your accessibility to the largest audiences. The fact is, a part of the population has biases.

          Most women Gurus have almost all female followers. I'm talking about business guru's.

          I'm not saying that any of these people aren't deserving, it's just harder.

          Tall white men with deep voices are assumed to be dominate, until they prove otherwise.

          A woman speaker has to be better at selling to get sales as good as an an average man.

          Being very young (or looking like a teenager) hurts. looking over 65 years old, hurts. Having an illness that shows hurts. Again, I'm only talking about being in front of a group selling.

          At 58, I'm already seeing younger people think of me as "That nice Mr. Whitacre", as though I'm "harmless" and I "Mean well". I still sell well in general audiences, but the average age of my client is creeping up as I age.

          It will get worse as I get older. I don't take it personally, because it isn't meant personally. It's just people's perceptions.

          If you talk about religion a lot to a non religious audience, it hurts. If you let a general audience know that you are Gay, it hurts (unless it's a predominately Gay audience)

          There are still prejudices in the world, and it affects sales. I wish it were otherwise.
          Yikes. Looks like your years of kung fu training also honed your skills at articulation. That was dragon level.

          As demographics and global economic structures shift, so do criteria.
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    • Profile picture of the author iLyn
      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      There are hundreds of thousands of successful women marketing online. I wouldn't worry too much about what the gurus are doing. What is a guru, anyway?
      They call themselves a guru..so i just repeat the term
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
        Originally Posted by iLyn View Post

        They call themselves a guru..so i just repeat the term
        Here's a quick tip: Don't trust a guru who refers to himself as a guru. Instead, turn and run.
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        Originally Posted by iLyn View Post

        They call themselves a guru ..so i just repeat the term
        And that's very much part of the point, here, isn't it?

        Far more men tend to do that than women, so if you take your definition of "guru" from what they call themselves, that's an additional, self-fulfilling reason for seeing more males than females.
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    Don't get discouraged.

    I buy from women all the time.

    I'm not your average dude though.

    I'm too open minded.



    PS: I think if you're a real badass and can motivate people, it doesn't matter what you look like. Or your sex. Or anything.

    But, generally speaking, yeah white males are the most prominent salesmen.

    But anything's possible.

    Mind over matter.

    Don't believe me?

    What about Yoda?

    Just sayin.

    No big deal.
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  • Profile picture of the author Amod Oke
    Guru = Revered Teacher.

    It's a very very old (almost ancient) highly respectable word completely damaged by marketing morons!
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Have you noticed that most of online gurus are all male??
    Actually I haven't noticed any gurus who are only partially so.

    Claude has his finger on the sociology for face to face. With the writing skills you can get past the biases, though. Actually, I'm finding that my age has given me a tad of an edge. I looked kinda innocent when I was younger. Now that I have a battle worn edge to me, people pay more attention.
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  • Profile picture of the author twister85
    well guess what I asked this question to my friends when I read this thread in a cafe and heres the response I got.

    1. Because mens are lazy and always find easy way to do things.
    2. Women's got work! ( I'am still confused why she said so!)
    3. Mens are more intelligent
    4. Women shy talking to multiple peoples ( I don't think so)
    5. Because men are supposed to earn money? ( yeh that's right!)
    6. Most women doesn't know how to use a computer (really?)

    there were more responses but I don't think they mean anything and so that's it.
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by twister85 View Post

      well guess what I asked this question to my friends when I read this thread in a cafe and heres the response I got.

      4. Women shy talking to multiple peoples
      Ha! Haven't they ever seen a female rock star? An actress? I know they haven't met me!

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      • Profile picture of the author twister85
        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

        Ha! Haven't they ever seen a female rock star? An actress? I know they haven't met me!

        Terra
        Well Justin Bieber isn't a rockstar!
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        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
          Originally Posted by twister85 View Post

          Well Justin Bieber isn't a rockstar!
          He isn't a female either!

          Please don't dis the women around the world with trying to slip that person into our gender. Those that aren't afraid of public speaking or appearances could create a lynch mob and getcha! :p



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          • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
            Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

            He isn't a female either!
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            Debatable.
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            • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
              Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

              Debatable.
              Ummm, Dan?

              Careful now, you're going to give us the impression that you've seen him personally, with his pants down.

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              • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
                Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                Ummm, Dan?

                Careful now, you're going to give us the impression that you've seen him personally, with his pants down.

                Terra
                Seems like every time I see him on the "news", his pant are down.
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                • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                  Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                  Seems like every time I see him on the "news", his pant are down.
                  Dan, Dan, Dan.......How many times do I have to tell you;

                  Those videos you are paying to watch on that secret website... are not "News"

                  Ta Da!
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                  • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                    Dan, Dan, Dan.......How many times do I have to tell you;

                    Those videos you are paying to watch on that secret website... are not "News"

                    Ta Da!
                    Hey, I'll stop watching as soon as you process my refund.
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                Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                Ummm, Dan?

                Careful now, you're going to give us the impression that you've seen him personally, with his pants down.

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                Only a matter of time before there's a "Secret Leaked Sex Tape".
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                • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
                  Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

                  Only a matter of time before there's a "Secret Leaked Sex Tape".

                  You're thinking of R. Kelly.
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                • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
                  Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

                  Only a matter of time before there's a "Secret Leaked Sex Tape".
                  Who doesn't have one? It is de rigueur in marketing and self-promotion nowadays.

                  (Warning: It might not work if you want to be the mayor of New York)
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                  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
                    Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

                    Who doesn't have one? It is de rigueur in marketing and self-promotion nowadays.

                    (Warning: It might not work if you want to be the mayor of New York)
                    "Celebrity's" yes. Politician's no.
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                  • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                    Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

                    Who doesn't have one?
                    Raises hand!

                    I don't have one.

                    Well, you asked!! :p

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                    • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
                      Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                      Raises hand!

                      I don't have one.

                      Well, you asked!! :p

                      Terra

                      Let me guess. Your every weight fluctuation is not documented in tabloids either. Next thing you're going to say is that you didn't have at least one dramatic short-lived marriage with a well-known buffoon in entertainment or sports or that you haven't gone publicly berserk. Sheesh. Get with the program.
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                      • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                        Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

                        Let me guess. Your every weight fluctuation is not documented in tabloids either.
                        Nope!

                        Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

                        Next thing you're going to say is that you didn't have at least one dramatic short-lived marriage with a well-known buffoon in entertainment or sports
                        Nope! Just a short lived dating game that did not involve any scandalous sex to be taped or released. Well, I have standards you know.

                        Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

                        or that you haven't gone publicly berserk.
                        Uh, er, umm...No comment.

                        Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

                        Sheesh. Get with the program.
                        I have been with the best program for the last 30 years.


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          • Profile picture of the author twister85
            Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

            He isn't a female either!
            Well not yet proved he is a male either which only left us think he/she is a middle man/women
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
    Originally Posted by iLyn View Post


    Just wondering why most if not all of online gurus are males?
    Only males have any ego that compells them to label themselves a "guru".
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

      Here's a quick tip: Don't trust a guru who refers to himself as a guru. Instead, turn and run.
      Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

      Only males have any ego that compells them to label themselves a "guru".
      Dan; It isn't ego that makes me call myself a "Guru". It is intense self-love, and self-admiration. In my home, I have a picture of myself, holding a painting of me, holding a picture of myself.

      When I want to get in the mood, my wife brings me a hand mirror.

      I have a mirror above my bed. I sleep alone.

      My wife told me that the reason our marriage was so successful, is that we are both in love with the same person.

      I write fan letters to myself, and tell people I'm too humble to open them.

      For Christmas, all my relatives get a framed photo of me....again.

      Every time we leave a restaurant, I wave at everyone sitting there and say "No more autographs. And please, don't get up, I'm just not that special".

      This post was a joke.
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      • Profile picture of the author Newbieee
        Yup, i think Claude is right.

        All the statistics shows.

        Most top chefs are men.
        Most top executives and CEOs are men.
        Top musicians are men.
        Top actors are mostly men where their co-lead is a female.

        But unfortunately men also make the news for notorious stuff too.

        Inmates are mostly men.
        Gang fights are mostly men.
        Crimes are mostly committed by men. (altho sometimes the women may be behind it or the reason for it)
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by Newbieee View Post

          Yup, i think Claude is right.

          All the statistics shows.

          Most top chefs are men.
          Most top executives and CEOs are men.
          Top musicians are men.
          Top actors are mostly men where their co-lead is a female.
          I think you missed my point. I don't know about top chefs. Maybe chefs with TV shows, or highest paid chefs. Most CEOs are men, because there are more men in business than women. There is nothing about women that prevent them from being CEOs.

          Top musicians? I'm not aware that musical talent is gender based.

          I admit that most movies have a leading man and a woman, but there is no indication that men make superior actors.

          Maybe I'm misunderstanding your post. If I am, I apologize.

          But along your lines;

          Most psychopaths are men.
          Most schizophrenics are men.
          Most geniuses are men, as are most mentally deficient.

          And I have no idea why any of this is so. I know that women have better communication between the hemispheres of the brain. No idea if that's applicable.


          Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

          Outside of Claude in the post above, I've never seen any marketer refer to themselves as a guru. Have you?

          In my experience, it's always someone promoting someone else or someone whining about someone else that sticks the guru tag on them.
          Dennis; My post was a joke. Gurus never call themselves geniuses either. And while I'm not a genius, I've been called a Guru. The whole thing is funny to me. The good, the bad, all of it.
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          • Profile picture of the author Newbieee
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            I think you missed my point. I don't know about top chefs. Maybe chefs with TV shows, or highest paid chefs. Most CEOs are men, because there are more men in business than women. There is nothing about women that prevent them from being CEOs.

            Top musicians? I'm not aware that musical talent is gender based.

            I admit that most movies have a leading man and a woman, but there is no indication that men make superior actors.

            Maybe I'm misunderstanding your post. If I am, I apologize.
            Hey Claude,

            No i agree with your post as to the "why" most industry are dominated by male.
            Although we would wished it was leveled. It is just the way it is.

            And i was just merely adding in other industries that i know of.

            because i was watching a documentary and they were giving all the statistics of those industries and the % of male and females at the top.

            So ya. i wished i remember and refer to it.

            But i cant, i just watch documentaries for "the moment".

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      Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

      Only males have any ego that compells them to label themselves a "guru".
      LOL....that was my exact thought when I read the post.
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      • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
        Originally Posted by Jacqueline Smith View Post

        LOL....that was my exact thought when I read the post.
        great minds think alike

        women do not need to label themselves as gurus - :p besides, they know they have many roles to play so not one label fits all
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    That's how it should be. So your point is?

    Seriously, in my mind, I've always associated the term "guru" with a male on a mountain top espousing wisdom. I think many have that kind of association. If I say "football coach", do you automatically picture a male?

    Additionally, I think that because women think differently and have, for the most part, come into IM prominence later, the terminology is different. Coach, mentor, consultant, success coach, etc.

    There have been a lot of women behind the scenes of the success of the male gurus.
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  • Profile picture of the author ceenote100
    That's kind of like asking why all the presidents are male or why most athletes and sports entertainers are male. It's just like that and that's the way it is.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fazal Mayar
    hey lets not be sexists guys, i think one name is rosalind gardner who is a female im guru. I have noticed most male are im'ers too, its strange but there are more and more women coming
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    OK, WHO is PART male!?

    Seriously though, MOST females haven't been interested in technology, etc... Face it, there have been a LOT of "girly girls". That isn't an insult, just an observation. I have interviewed a LOT of programmers. Almost ALL were MALE! SERIOUSLY, I estimate about 99.975% have been MALE! And I HEARTILY approved about 13, and ONE was a woman. The few others didn't make the grade, but most of the men didn't either.

    BTW most sales on the internet, and many in companies, are made with people NOT knowing your sex or race.

    TWO big "WOMEN ONLY" companies are owned by a MAN!!!!!!!!! I bet they would NOT have taken off if that were known! They aren't SMALL companies either! One is VICTORIA'S SECRET! YEP, the very same! Victoria's Secret: Lingerie and Women's Clothing, Accessories*& more.

    One sports apparel and case manufacturer I know of is woman owned and run, from the president down to the last sewer. I bet advertising that would NOT hurt business. HECK, their website states they are woman owned, and that brings them government business.

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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post


      Seriously though, MOST females haven't been interested in technology, etc... Face it, there have been a LOT of "girly girls". That isn't an insult, just an observation.

      Steve
      Okay, you got me. I'm busted.

      Girlie girl techytard here.

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        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

        Okay, you got me. I'm busted.

        Girlie girl techytard here.

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        You can say that again!
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        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
          Originally Posted by Sock Puppet Terra View Post

          You can say that again!
          Don't make me report you for harassment! :p



          Speaking of gurus and I think I posted this somewhere a few years ago, but I hate the term guru and would never, I repeat, never would want to be referred to as one.

          Every time I hear the term guru, it sends nasty chills down my spine. The picture that comes to mind is a greasy, slicked back, sticky baby kangaroo.

          Gu reminds me of gooey as in "are you still wearing the greasy kid stuff, that icky, sticky, ooey, gooey greasy kid stuff..."

          And ru reminds me of Roo, a baby kangaroo. Hence, a greasy, slicked back, sticky baby kangaroo, yick!

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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

            Don't make me report you for harassment! :p



            Speaking of gurus and I think I posted this somewhere a few years ago, but I hate the term guru and would never, I repeat, never would want to be referred to as one.

            Every time I hear the term guru, it sends nasty chills down my spine. The picture that comes to mind is a greasy, slicked back, sticky baby kangaroo.

            Gu reminds me of gooey as in "are you still wearing the greasy kid stuff, that icky, sticky, ooey, gooey greasy kid stuff..."

            And ru reminds me of Roo, a baby kangaroo. Hence, a greasy, slicked back, sticky baby kangaroo, yick!

            Terra
            Terra; It's for this same reason, I refuse to be called an "Expert".

            You see, "Ex" means that I have failed, and that I can no longer do something. I'm a loser (at least that the way the public would see it)

            And "Pert" is used to describe...um....well.....something not manly.

            So the last time someone called me an "Expert" I exploded, and punched them in the nose!

            And I said;

            "Nobody calls me an expert and gets away with it! Except that one guy who called me an expert and then ran off. He got away with it. But most people who call me an expert don't get away with it. Well, actually, that guy who got away with it was the only one who ever called me an expert. After today... only half the people who ever called me an expert will have gotten away with it!"

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      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      OK, WHO is PART male!?

      Seriously though, MOST females haven't been interested in technology, etc... Face it, there have been a LOT of "girly girls". That isn't an insult, just an observation. I have interviewed a LOT of programmers. Almost ALL were MALE! SERIOUSLY, I estimate about 99.975% have been MALE! And I HEARTILY approved about 13, and ONE was a woman. The few others didn't make the grade, but most of the men didn't either.

      BTW most sales on the internet, and many in companies, are made with people NOT knowing your sex or race.

      TWO big "WOMEN ONLY" companies are owned by a MAN!!!!!!!!! I bet they would NOT have taken off if that were known! They aren't SMALL companies either! One is VICTORIA'S SECRET! YEP, the very same! Victoria's Secret: Lingerie and Women's Clothing, Accessories*& more.

      One sports apparel and case manufacturer I know of is woman owned and run, from the president down to the last sewer. I bet advertising that would NOT hurt business. HECK, their website states they are woman owned, and that brings them government business.

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      • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
        Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

        Ironically, my sister was going to start Victor's Secret.

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        I've always wanted to know Victoria's secret, but I think I'll just move along and leave Victor to his.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Outside of Claude in the post above, I've never seen any marketer refer to themselves as a guru. Have you?

    In my experience, it's always someone promoting someone else or someone whining about someone else that sticks the guru tag on them.
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      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      Outside of Claude in the post above, I've never seen any marketer refer to themselves as a guru. Have you?

      In my experience, it's always someone promoting someone else or someone whining about someone else that sticks the guru tag on them.
      WOW! I have seen ******MANY******!

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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        WOW! I have seen ******MANY******!

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        Who actually refer to themselves as a "guru?"
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          Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

          Who actually refer to themselves as a "guru?"
          In sales literature, they do at times, but it's always disguised to make it appear that it's someone else's opinion. I'm sure there are idiots who have called themselves one, but ironically, you don't see em around much:rolleyes:
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          • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
            Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

            In sales literature, they do at times, but it's always disguised to make it appear that it's someone else's opinion. I'm sure there are idiots who have called themselves one, but ironically, you don't see em around much:rolleyes:
            Ah...well that's a little different. There probably are some who do, but I've never seen it. Unless they have some verifiable credentials, someone calling themselves a guru would raise a red flag with me. Of course, I'm one of those "question everything" kind of people . . . when I remember not to be stupid, which actually happens sometimes. :p
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

              Ah...well that's a little different. There probably are some who do, but I've never seen it. Unless they have some verifiable credentials, someone calling themselves a guru would raise a red flag with me. Of course, I'm one of those "question everything" kind of people . . . when I remember not to be stupid, which actually happens sometimes. :p
              Dennis; I can't imagine anyone actually calling themselves a Guru. It's like saying "I'm enlightened". It just doesn't sound good. You also would never say "I anonymously donate large sums of money to charity because I'm so benevolent"

              Someone else could say it about you, but only a fool would say it about themselves. The only red flag that it would raise with me, is their lack of copywriting skills....or their sanity.

              I have had a couple people ask me "Are you a Guru". And I say "Yes, in a very very small niche". I say it because it's fast, and I can move on. But I would never volunteer that "I'm a Guru to the (whatever) industry". I wouldn't be able to say it with a straight face.

              (And if you ever hear me say it, it's my way of making fun of the whole idea)

              The only reason I don't say "No" (to "Are you a guru?") is because the word doesn't mean anything to me, and when I hear speakers pretend like they are denying it, while trying to convince you that they are just too humble...and therefore too great..to admit it...I get nauseous.
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              • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                Dennis; I can't imagine anyone actually calling themselves a Guru. It's like saying "I'm enlightened". It just doesn't sound good. You also would never say "I anonymously donate large sums of money to charity because I'm so benevolent"
                Me either, Claude. That's why I asked if anyone had actually seen anyone call themselves a guru in my first post. I learned long ago to never say never, and to never underestimate human vanity though. Sometimes I even remember what I've learned.
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      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      Outside of Claude in the post above, I've never seen any marketer refer to themselves as a guru. Have you?

      In my experience, it's always someone promoting someone else or someone whining about someone else that sticks the guru tag on them.
      Okay well yeah you got me I maybe wrong with the guru tag there (they can be experts, a coach, mentor etc) but my only point (and observation) is they are male. I said most. I knew there are females out there
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  • Profile picture of the author Justin Says
    It depends on what you mean to be a guru.

    First off, someone who creates a WSO isn't necessarily a guru lol.

    And secondly, I don't know of many guys in the makeup/couponing niche that are gurus.

    Overall though it's still a lot like CEO's, there are far more male CEO's in the world than female and I think that has to do with the willingness to go out there and be independent.

    Even today there are a great amount of women that allow men to buy them dinner. I know that might seem unrelated, but it isn't. The sexism behind the dating world relates directly with business if you think about it. Most of my friends that go out on dates are still expected to pay for dinner, pay for the movie, and even pay for shopping. Not to say I don't know guys who expect the girl to do the same...

    Anyways my point is that when the world starts to push more towards everyone being in the same light (which it definitely still hasn't).. you'll start to see more varieties of people as CEO's, gurus, etc.
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