Square Foot Gardening

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I've just come across something marvellous.....

Many of you know about the Russian gardening movements which prove conclusively that gardeners can 'feed the world'...and of course Cuba was forced through circumstance to use a similar model to become self-sustaining (and they even let their gardeners sell their excess to others), so all this "not enough food to go round" angst is bollocks. Well apparently an American guy discovered a new system to grow stuff back in the 70's, and it puts self-sufficiency into the hands of everyone. Nobody need ever go hungry no matter how bad things get, even if you only have a tiny balcony.

You can grow multiple different crops in a 4' x 4' square (or even smaller, and it can be adapted to oblong raised beds too). You can also grow 'vertically'. LOL all those scientists trying to grow vertically when the problem has been cracked! Uses 80% less land, needs only 10% of the water, 5% of the seeds and is no dig. It's suitable for disabled people as well. And of course it's organic!

The guy teaches it to people in Africa, India, Costa Rica etc and is on a mission to solve 'world hunger'. Heh TPTB won't like that so no wonder it's not been publicized as well as it should have been, even though it's been on US TV for a while. :rolleyes: How ironic if Russia, Cuba and the 'Third World' end up self-sufficient while we in the West continue looking to the System to provide for us.

Check it out...if you have plenty land then you make better use of your resources...part of the secret is only harvesting what you need at the time, so no waste. If you only have tiny balcony a potato barrel and one of these and you'll be sorted. It'll certainly reduce your budget as prices escalate. You could even adapt it to a window box if that's all you got. (When they start banning herbs via Codex Alimentarius, well grow your own!)

This guy is awesome!! Any of you guys already growing things in this way?

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Well that is all very interesting, Lee - except why would I grow square feet when my real love is home grown tomatoes?

    Scientists know how to do this small scale - what they are trying to do is grow grand scale vertically - skyscrapers of food. It takes more than a few veggies to keep people alive - there has to be a nutritionally sustaining mix and there are a few food types, while necessary to a sustaining diet that just can't be done in small spaces - grains, fruit trees, nut trees, etc.

    These skyscrapers would also have some climate control. It doesn't matter how vertical your crops are grown, if there is a freeze, they still die.

    While the small self-grown gardens can take the edge off, there still needs to be more grand scale solutions - and that is why scientists are still working on the issue. I had a 50x50 foot garden back in Michigan that was stuffed to the brim and it wouldn't have fed me for a full year. Summer sure tasted great though and I got to do a tad of canning.
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    • Profile picture of the author Phnx
      >>It doesn't matter how vertical your crops are grown, if there is a freeze, they still die.<<

      Well it really depends on what you are growing. Russia has very severe winters and only 110 growing days a year, but it still doesn't stop them growing a variety of crops to fulfil their needs. They are also doing a lot more than 'merely taking the edge off', they are removing themselves from the Food Grid completely. These new gardeners don't suffer malnutrition either, yet in the affluent West malnutrition is already a problem for even the apparently 'well fed'.

      Many crops can withstand frost so long as it isn't prolonged, but for these raised beds ala Mel's system, you throw a fleece and straw over them, or put them in a cold frame. Much easier to do this with such confined spaces. Pots etc can be brought indoors until the danger has passed. Countries in the Northern Hemisphere have been dealing with bad weather for centuries - none more so than the Russians.

      If each family grew enough for their own needs, then any excess they can trade or swap. That includes grains. You can grow wheat in small gardens, and oats. Not sure about rice, but I don't see why not. We didn't eat rice growing up, it was 'foreign' food, so if it can't be grown locally and must be imported we'll just have to do without. It isn't vital for Westerners to eat such foods. If they must then they should grow their own.

      Only if you have the 'system' mindset where you must grow and sell vast quantities is large acreage required. The Native Americans killed one buffalo to eat, and perhaps a second to see them through the winter. We'd slaughter the whole herd to export and sell to others. God forbid people should have the skills to provide for themselves. People need to get back to micro-managing their food and growing/using only what they need.

      >>It takes more than a few veggies to keep people alive - there has to be a nutritionally sustaining mix and there are a few food types, while necessary to a sustaining diet that just can't be done in small spaces - grains, fruit trees, nut trees, etc. <<

      There are plenty of vids on YouTube showing you step by step how to successfully grow fruit trees in pots. My neighbour grows raspberry canes in small spaces, and strawberries in a growbag. Of course if we insist on eating foods 'out of season' then we need The System. Our Grandparents did fine without it, and it wouldn't kill us to go back to eating foods local to us, and only when they were 'in season'.

      Wheatgrass and Hemp seeds contain all amino acids and proteins - in fact you could live on just the latter and water for quite a long time without detriment - and neither require huge acres if just growing for ones' own use. Both of course, can be sprouted indoors.

      >>I had a 50x50 foot garden back in Michigan that was stuffed to the brim and it wouldn't have fed me for a full year.<<

      Maybe you should take a tip from the Russians then, because they are managing to feed their whole families for a year and stick plenty in the freezer for the long winters. Perhaps they have a healthier diet than us? Also remember that we in the West are rather glutonous anyway, and we need to learn to eat less. (Mel's method also allows for growing all year round with a bit of planning.)

      For someone so into nature and sustainability you are remarkably eager to stay dependant on technology. While you are content to have technology feed you, others are taking the responsibility for feeding themselves and becoming as self-sufficient as possible. Once it spreads that'll be the end of the technocracy and the 'overcarrying' bollocks it carries in it's wake. If Russia has indisputably proven that gardeners can provide "92% of Russia's harvest of potatoes, 77% of its vegetables, 87% of berries and fruits, 59.4% of meat, and 49.2% of milk." then they have proven we don't need science to save us.

      Local farms provide the 'extras' like meat (not the huge amount we gorge in the West) and eggs for those non-vegetarians without their own supply. I'd hazard a guess their diet is much better than ours, even if not as large. (America has the advantage of not only a longer growing season, but it has many hunters in certain parts of the country, who can share/sell their kills to their neighbours, if you must have meat. As it's not chemically treated or factory farmed, it'll be healthier anyway.)

      I'll pass on trusting 'science' to feed me. Fortunately many more countries are likely to take up the Russian/Cuban model and abandon Western industrialisation methods completely.

      (For those with only a tiny balcony, well if the food supply route which The System depends on dries up for a while - which it will if there should be an economic collapse - then 'science' isn't going to be any help. The shops will be empty. A few potatoes from a barrel, and a few veggies from a tiny plot using Mel's methods will at least keep you alive until the supplies start flowing again.)
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    I would love to see this country get back to having farmers, not scientists, feed our people.

    tiny balconies arent all the same. I've got a tiny balcony and can barely sustain one small pepper plant because the orientation of the balcony gives me a 6" wide slice of sun for about 1 hour a day.

    god i want some land.
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      That's been around for years Phnx.
      I've even got a book about it around here somewhere.
      The concept is pretty simple.
      On a seed pack it gives a distance between plants and between rows.
      For square foot gardening you forget about the row distance and plant according to the distance between plants.
      The total width of your beds can be determined by how far you can comfortably reach in the bed. If that is 3 feet then you can make your beds up to 6 ft. wide.
      Now what's really neat is when you combine square foot gardening with lasagna gardening Lasagna Garden - How to Make a Lasagna Garden
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      • Profile picture of the author Phnx
        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        That's been around for years Phnx.
        I've even got a book about it around here somewhere.
        The concept is pretty simple.
        On a seed pack it gives a distance between plants and between rows.
        For square foot gardening you forget about the row distance and plant according to the distance between plants.
        The total width of your beds can be determined by how far you can comfortably reach in the bed. If that is 3 feet then you can make your beds up to 6 ft. wide.
        Now what's really neat is when you combine square foot gardening with lasagna gardening Lasagna Garden - How to Make a Lasagna Garden
        Hah don't they say the simplest ideas are the best. I hope that Mel fella gets honoured for his discovery one day.

        *laughs with delight* I'm checking out that Lasagne Gardening now. For someone who detests gardening, I'm starting to fall in love with it. I've got shitty dead soil which won't grow anything so this stuff is a godsend!

        This is fabulous!
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        • Profile picture of the author ThomM
          If you have crappy soil then the lasagna garden could be a winner for you.
          My father did the square foot gardening years ago except then we called it conserving space.
          The width between rows was for the tractor wheels or tiller to fit between the rows. Stands to reason if you don't use either you don't need that much space.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    My Grandmother taught me to grow and she WAS a Russian. Actually - I grew one hell of a lot of food in that space, but I didn't have grains. So what's the beef? I had room, and I had a garden - and a damned good one. I know how to can, too, and can do it if I need to although I absolutely detest doing so. Those were times of plenty. I didn't can - I had parties. My friends and I would get together and throw a fire in the pit out back and boil water, pick the pototoes and corn and throw them in the pots. The table would be set with plates of beefsteak tomato slices and salads, fresh vegies and a few open fire made veggie cassaroles. We did not grow the dressings, butter, salt, etc - but everything else was home grown at our parties. One year a friend who had a farm brought some fresh butter and homegrown corn corn bread but we refused to let her bring some of her chickens because it was basically supposed to be a garden feast. LOL. Who knows how far that food would have gone for one person? I don't think it was a year worth though - I don't need to eat less. I only weigh 110 lbs. LOL.


    Thom - didn't know that was called anything - we (landlord and I) have a compost garden this year - I don't think he layered stuff like that, but it's chucked full of compost. I am hoping all my vegies don't taste like coffee...there's a lot of freaking grounds in it, LOL. Landlord and I have tomatoes, herbs(those are potted and on the porch though not in the garden, and a few spaghetti squash so I'm excited about having a completely fresh spaghetti dinner this year. Everything is sprouted and we just about planted it- but we are getting freezes at night so are holding off a few weeks. Just hoping that the night frosts go away before these sprouts bust their cartons. Guess that NY weather isn't that far off of what we are getting this year.

    The community I live in is the fruit capitol of the world. Not only do we plant trees - our trees provide food. Apples, cherries, pears, peaches, and filberts but I can't eat those. Of course there is a lot of other farming going on, too. If we got cut off from the rest of the world we'd be fine as far as food goes. We have grains and cows, chickens, goats, pigs, and all that fruit to barter with to boot. There are few apartments so most people have a yard to grow some of their own - but many don't because most of the populated countryside is farms here. The farmers markets in the summer just rock! As long as you know how to do something that will be needed, you could barter a full fridge pretty easily in this part of the country.
    Of course my concern is the grain fields - because if we're going to be self sustaining we wouldn't want to do it without apple or strawberry pie now would we? We'd be making potato flour here for sure. One of the countries leading potato growing counties is just next door and there is little wheat farming. Wonder how an apple pie would taste with cornbread crust?
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  • Profile picture of the author Phnx
    Have you tried spelt? I'd never heard of it but it's an ancient form of wheat that is very hardy and far more nutritious than modern wheat. Many who are wheat intolerant can handle it too. I tried some spelt flour (it's more expensive than modern wheat alas) and tried the recipe for the loaf the Romans made. It was very weird and I can't decide whether I like it. Bit of a 'crumpet' texture, which is interesting

    My plan for grains in the short term is to buy wheat berries for storage or freezing. They apparently keep for years. And oat groats too. Rice I only eat occasionally so I can live without that. Buying a mill and oatflaker are next on my to do list.

    I wonder if we'll have to give up land currently used to grow tobacco or cotton? They aren't essential. I'm stocking up on ciggies but I keep digging into my stash when I run out. Oh well, suppose it'd be a good time to quit then. I can see the world turning back to hemp growing in a major way which would be good.

    For us in the West, even if the extreme happened and supply routes dried up, I can't see it lasting beyond a couple of months max else they'll never put things back together again control-wise. When supply routes work again, there'll probably be a lot of shortages so good to try and grow as much as you can.

    Stupid things worry me - what about toilet paper? LOL if newspapers aren't printed anymore either, what will we do?? I'm stocking up on bog rolls, but they take up so much room! They'd be excellent to trade.

    Anyone know how to make a supply of toilet paper? Using big leaves does not count.
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  • Profile picture of the author valerieSONORA
    What are the russians eating during the looong, cold season which lasts most the year and they can't grow anything?

    Hydroponics would be good for that but those things are expensive like $200 for one, not too many Russians could afford.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dave Patterson
    Phnx...

    Corn cobs....

    Here's a guy who already did some "research" on the TP question...

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    • Profile picture of the author Phnx
      Val Russians do have freezers ya know. ;-)

      Although not up to our standards they do the job. Of course they have freezing winters so they could store things in the ground. I learnt that one from Americans. Because of all that "pioneer" history, you guys have a lot of cool info like that. Root cellars I think they may be called. Maybe those Russians who don't have a freezer use such a method.

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      Phnx...

      Corn cobs....

      Here's a guy who already did some "research" on the TP question...

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      LOL! I'm having such a good day. First the Lasagne Gardens and now this. It's the little things!

      I'm bookmarking that blog, thanks!!
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  • Profile picture of the author valerieSONORA
    Yeah, root cellars is what they're called Phnx lol. What ppl did before neato stuff like freezers were invented. Don't ya know the Beverly Hillbillies had a root cellar!! And you can watch complete Beverly Hillbillies shows on youtube now! Of course being in Russia you wouldn't need a root cellar in the winter. Just put stuff outside and it will freeze. No electricity needed
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Square foot gardening and lasagna gardening have been around for a while. One lovely thing about them is there's little room for weeds to grow in the garden.

      My Grandparents had a root cellar that was steps down from the regular cellar area. It didn't freeze in winter, and was cool all summer. The regular cellar was made of rock and had niches built into the walls that provided deep ledges for storing dozens of jars of vegetables, fruits, jams, and condiments that were made from the garden yield every summer. With no natural light, that cellar could have been a dark, scary place for a child but I loved it with its walls filled with colorful jars of food I could choose from.

      My Grandmother also did square foot gardening with flowers and herbs where from early spring to frost one variety or another was always blooming in the flower and herb beds. Good memories.

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    Val - Russians grow a major variety of tuber veggies, potatoes, carrots, beets, rutabaggas, parsnips which are hearty enough to withstand short frosts and can tolerate short growing seasons. they store well for a long time, too. (Russians have root cellars)
    Not all of Russia is freezing though and other crops do just fine at the more southern latitudes.

    Kay - I lived in an old farmhouse in my younger years and we had a root cellar - with the shelves and all, which was good because my Mom was foaming at the mouth crazy over canning. It's her and my grandmother's recipes I have for things such as pickles and corn relish, etc.
    While we lived in that house the movie Psycho came out and it spooked my mom to go into the basement after that because that root cellar door reminded her of the movie and she always had the image of a mummy rocking in a rocking chair on the other side of the door. Hahahahahahaha. That old tank of a furnace with the many huge pipes extending into the ceiling didn't help matters.

    We had fresh food all the time I was there. We had a huge garden, apple, plum, peach, plum, and cherry trees, A huge raspberry patch, and concord grapes, and there were wild elderberries everywhere. The neighbors grew strawberries and veggies and had an orchard. It was a farm community so there was always fresh meat, eggs, and butter.

    That house was something incredible - with the basement and walk in attics it was the spookiest place you could imagine and I had many a nightmare- but the yards and fields were so wonderful. Mom would shove me out the door in the morning with a salt shaker and jackknife and I'd be home at dusk not really caring too much about dinner.

    I've described my life in the country to kids now and they stare at me and wonder how I survived such a depriving childhood. They can't even imagine life without the mall and fast food. When I let them know we weren't poor they are completely baffled that we CHOSE to "live like that" ewwww. Incredible. I really wish we could go home again.
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  • Profile picture of the author Phnx
    I wonder what we used? We have some cold winters so there must have been methods of storing food. I don't recall mention of root cellars, and we of course don't have your pioneering history, but if we didn't use them we must have used something.

    I know they used to salt meat so it'd keep longer, and putting pure silver coins in milk stopped it from going off, but other than that all my info seems to be coming from Americans. Mmmm, must start researching to find out what we did in days of yore.
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  • Profile picture of the author sm97os
    I came across that on Amazon while looking for niches. Very interesting indeed.
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    • Profile picture of the author Wakunahum
      I've never gardened before, but I want to start.

      I've been considering a small square foot garden to try it all out after reading about it.

      I don't think the argument is that square foot gardening is the absolute best for the smallest space. I think it's just a philosophy that helps people keep it simple. (But what do I know about gardening since I don't do it.)
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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas
    Mmmm... is it important that they be on the ground, in contact with the earth (for worms, etc.)?

    If not, why not simply raise them up? Just get an old table and nail 6" boards around it and...presto... you have a waist-level garden with no bending or kneeling required.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Not deep enough for a root system - try 15-20" or so. You can always add earthworms. Most square ft gardeners I know of use raised beds but usually just use landscape timbers to provide an edge and fill it with top soil.

      the argument is that square foot gardening is the absolute best for the smallest space
      Not the only argument - but that is one of the main reasons to garden using that method. Plus it's fun just to see how much stuff you can grow in one little area.

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    Don't forget a few snap dragons and chrysanthemums to keep the bugs away naturally.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Flask
      I have planted using the Square Foot Gardening Method for a couple of years now. I don't have too large of an area open for sun, so this method helps with maximizing the potential for a bigger harvest and having variety.

      I always had a problem with row planting. Sowing seeds, letting them sprout and then "thinning" them to space them apart. I couldn't understand that. Planting that way is a waste of seeds and the waste of the potential of the plants' production.

      Within the past few weeks, I just built 2 raised beds. I used 2x6x8 boards cut in half, courtesy of Home Depot, and joined them at the ends with wood screws. A couple of layers of landscape fabric stapled to the bottom, and I was finished.

      Mmmm... is it important that they be on the ground, in contact with the earth (for worms, etc.)?
      Thomas, you can buy earthworm castings here in the US to add earthworms to your soil.

      Just get an old table and nail 6" boards around it and...presto... you have a waist-level garden with no bending or kneeling required.
      There is a diagram/design in the Square Foot Gardening Method book for a wheelchair accessible raised bed garden.

      Don't forget a few snap dragons and chrysanthemums to keep the bugs away naturally.
      Sal, I wasn't aware that snap dragons are a pest deterrent. I have planted marigolds. I did notice the author had quite a few of what appear to be chrysanthemums in the photos, now I know why.

      I still need to plant some more this weekend. I could post a photo of the garden to see what it looks like.

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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        I'd love to see a photo. You go only 6-8" deep? Would the depth depend on location/heat index?

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        • Profile picture of the author Kevin Flask
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          I'd love to see a photo. You go only 6-8" deep? Would the depth depend on location/heat index?

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          Kay,

          It is recommended to build beds deeper at 8", 10", or even 12" for root vegetables. I have a 5" variety of carrots that I planted in the 6" bed. We shall see how it goes.

          I do have 2x8 boards that were already 4ft. in length so I will probably put them together this weekend.

          Being in South Jersey, the summer heat gets here pretty quickly, I had to plant my lettuces right around Easter. Never really paid much attention to the zone I'm in. We are the Garden State so whatever is selling in the nurseries, I try out and plant.

          Ever have a Jersey tomato?

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