ANOTHER TREYVON?

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A young girl around 14yo heard moaning and groaning outside of her window, and thought it was a CAT. She found that it was a 29yo male. Her brother confronted the guy, who was NUDE, and the guy hit him. Her brother, father, and a neighbor, chased the nude guy down, and held him for the police. The guy had been beaten.

They are charging the father with aggravated assault!

Police: Naked peeping Tom beaten - YouTube
So a trespasser that is nude, disrupting your plants, and spying on your daughter(which could be considered a FELONY as it is akin to child porn), and hits your son, should not even be TOUCHED?

Steve
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  • Interesting. I would guess they charged him because he "chased the guy down", which from a cops perspective means the intruder was running away and now off the guys property, so there was no longer a danger.

    I would also guess the intruder will be charged with something too.

    Crazy world...
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    • NO LONGER A DANGER?????? You're kidding, RIGHT?

      Advertising? Danger STARTS!
      ID Theft? Danger STARTS!
      Harassment, etc? Danger CONTINUES!

      Yeah, the guy was charged with voyeurism.

      Steve
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  • There's crap like this going on in both colors. It's time to stop the racial instigating and go after officials who rule like a bunch of Nazis instead of according to a logical sense of law.
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  • If the father and brother are convicted for aggravated battery and it turns out that this peeping tom is a convicted pedophile, there should be a hefty fine imposed on the local legal system for failing to protect that little girl from this creep.
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    • Should of shot him and thrown him through the window.
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    Hmmmmmmmm............. very suspicious.

    If Mike Tyson was king of the USA it would probably not be happening.
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    • You're kidding aren't you?


      I don't remember where but this is the guy that said that Holyfield's ear tasted like ass.
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    Time: “Young Black Men Murder 14 Times More than Young White Men” | FrontPage Magazine

    There's tonssssss of black on white crimes you never hear about, some even because of this Trayvon Martin story. Makes you wonder if the media is pushing an agenda by usually only showing one side of the story. Ignoring hundreds of other instances.
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  • Everyone seems to be overlooking one thing . . . the possibility that these three men beat this guy long after he was under control. You don't get to that.

    The only thing I know about this case is what I've seen in this thread, and I'm certainly not defending the pervert's actions, but it is possible those three guys are guilty of crimes no less serious than the pervert at the window, albeit crimes of a different nature.

    We just can't have citizens administering their own vigilante justice at will, because many will carry things too far. That's what it sounds like these guys did. The video said the alleged pervert was beaten so badly he has life threatening injuries and is in an unstable condition.
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      I agree with Dennis.
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    • The nude guy hit the 19yo brother. Shouldn't HE get a punch in? And the brother had a father who may have also gotten a punch in. And don't forget that he did WHO KNOWS WHAT with that girl. We may NEVER know! I mean it isn't like the 10th century anymore! He OBVIOUSLY knows were she lives, watched her, and masterbated, and didn't make HER feel any better. Did he steal info about her? Take pictures? WHO KNOWS? He may EVEN have installed wifi cameras in her room, or hacked her laptop.

      Steve
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  • The vast majority of people would support a father who beat up a pedophile pervert engaging in demented peeping-tom perversions outside his underage child's window. Law enforcement is affected by community standards and politics. There is no way that the father will be charged with anything.
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    • I agree with that. I'd support it too, if all he did was beat him up a little. Murder is another matter entirely. If he has life-threatening injuries and is unstable, as reported in the video, then his death is a potential outcome.
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  • As much as I HATE the idea of the thought of castration(I still remember when my eyes teared up reading the warnings on hair dye my mother had! It was as if I got it in MY eyes), and am a pacifist, I agree with terra. And it is one of the few times he is left with no defense. Outside a young girl's window, moaning, and NUDE? With SEVERAL witnesses? As for how SHE feels? HEY, I wouldn't want that EITHER!

    I have BOXES of stuff here JUST because it may have personal identification info, and I don't want to pay HUNDREDS of dollars for a shredder that can handle it all. So I am even going out of my way not to have my privacy destroyed EVEN at the city dump. Even so, there is an intake vent with a clear shot of my bed, and I never went to the hassle to check if there was a camera there.

    Steve
  • Some are getting a bit hysterical. I don't think anyone said the perve didn't get what he had coming. I know I didn't say that. But the question was why the father got hit with a charge and that is simple. He chased the guy down and beat him. That's against the law in the places I know of.

    Whether he is right or wrong, justified or not, it is NOT the cops job to determine that. He is supposed to enforce the laws that are on the books. It's the judge/jury that get to say if he was justified. Frankly, cops tend to get peeved when people mete out their own justice.

    From the cops perspective, he obviously determined a law was broken and did his job. Again - the reasons and justification have nothing to do with it. That's for another day (in court).

    Me? I probably would have done the same thing as the father. And the cops around here would have arrested me too (that is, IF I was caught...).
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    • Good logic Mike.
      If the cops didn't arrest the father the perv could very well file a law suit against the city and police department.
      I seriously doubt a jury will convict the father, and I feel pretty confident the cops feel the same way.
      From past experiences I know a father will do whatever it takes to protect his daughter, automatically.
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  • When the Perv hit the girl's brother, that is automatically a felony. In the United States you can perform a citizen's arrest on anyone that has commit a felony. If the guy is struggling and combative, then he may very well have been hurt. I seriously doubt that the father will receive any punishment.
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    • This is true, but remember that when a cop arrives on a scene like this, he really has no clue who's who. It's always easy to figure all this out after the fact, but he's there at that moment and has to first make sure no one is in danger (himself included). They sort all the rest out later.

      Thanks to media coverage we all get to be armchair quarterbacks
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    • Did you guys watch the video? The guy has life threatening injuries, in unstable critical condition.

      He was a peeping tom. Although a strange thing to do....and not cool....

      Life threatening injuries? Also not cool.

      Steve; None of that was in the story. He didn't touch her. He wasn't in the home. He wasn't a physical threat (until he hit the brother). Although I understand running after him and grabbing him.

      He sounds mentally ill. Running around naked is not a normal behavior.
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    • Well, I think voyeurism is ALSO, though THIS strays into child pornography! In the eyes of the law, SHE is a child, and HE is an adult!

      Steve
  • After the perp punched the brother and was pursued by the father, we don't know if he kicked or punched again, or just how difficult he was to take down.

    Also, this may have also been a build up of things as the perp lives nearby and had thrown advertised sex parties at his home and the neighbors had found used condoms laying around:

    What the Justice System Did to This Father After He Beat Up a Naked Peeping Tom Outside His Daughters’ Window Has Neighbors Fuming | Video | TheBlaze.com

    According to The Blaze story, the father does "wish he did not beat him so badly" and the father does have a criminal background including Domestic Violence and Child Abuse.

    I certainly understand becoming enraged and may have acted similarly. Sometimes you just react to a situation without really thinking.

    As this was not pre-meditated vigilante action, I do think he will not be charged or charged as light as possible.

    Dan
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  • Because he was viewing a minor, he may face fourth degree felony charges instead of a misdemeanor: Section 30-9-20 - Voyeurism prohibited; penalties. - New Mexico Statutes

    Because he was naked, moaning and in public, I think it goes beyond voyeurism into a sex crime against a minor. Which would require he get on the sex offenders list and report his residences to the police, etc.

    There should also be charges for his hitting the brother.
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  • So I guess I can only hope that if this ever happens at my house that I get a lenient judge.
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    • Or understanding police officers.

      In my personal case, they told me what I did to the guy was the right thing. In the case with my daughter, they told me what I did wasn't very smart, but they congratulated me for it. I honestly didn't think, I just reacted, both times.

      Terra
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  • Claude and Dennis are the voices of reason in this thread. I admit that I am not. Sober thinking is definitely what's best for law enforcement and fair justice. Sometimes someone can appear to be totally guilty yet turn out to be innocent, or suffering from mental illness or something. Vigilantism is not the best way to have a fair justice system.
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  • Now if I were to find a naked man looking in MY window - I'd invite him in.....that would teach his sorry a**.....

    All kidding aside.

    I worked at a crisis center for a couple of years (rape crisis). Those kinds of guys rarely "back off". Whoever back in the posts said he'd probably have raped the kid sooner or later is correct. It is more than likely the crime would have escalated. He should not have chased the guy - he should have shot him right between the eyes. These guys, when jailed, sometimes admit that if they get out, they will do it all over again. It's a sickness that doesn't really heal - usually. I'm sure a few have, but most do not. That was one of the motivations to put sex criminals on a list so people would know who they are.

    I had a stalker when I was in college. He followed me home from campus once, and started walking past my house fairly frequently. Knowing that these guys get braver and braver, I took an old lamp cord and stripped the last couple inches of it and wrapped it around the door knob. One night this perv finally got brave enough to put his hand on my door knob - and I plugged the cord in. I pulled it back out real fast because I thought he'd stick to it and an electrocuted body on my front porch might be difficult to explain. Anyhow - it blew him right off the porch into the yard and he laid there and twitched, peed, and puked for awhile. Finally he got up and kinda shook like a wet dog and staggered off down the street. I never had to worry about the dude again.

    This is not a crime to take lightly. This man might have some legal hassles, but the odds are that he saved his daughter from something a lot worse than having someone peeping at her.
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  • What father would not have beat the guy's ass if they had a chance to? This liberal system is getting more and more annoying to live in.
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  • Terra,

    Usually I say it jokingly, but I am glad I am not a woman as this stuff does not happen to men often.

    I am truly sorry for what you and you daughter have gone though.

    My sister was randomly attacked in her home and almost strangled to death.
    I guess his MO was to kill first. Luckily, she happened to have an ex-college roommate
    staying there that night and the guy ran off. My sister did not have a good
    description, but probably the same guy was caught later.

    This stuff does have a ripple effect. Several years later, I was kicked out of the jury
    pool for a sexual assault case because I said I'd follow the judges instructions if we could not convict of the primary charge. (I was apparently a little to hang 'em first and then give him a fair trial I guess.)

    Again, I am very sorry.
    Dan
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    • Thanks guys,

      I appreciate all of your apologies even though you're not the guilty ones.

      If all men were like you guys, no female would ever have to go through all that.

      It was a long time ago for both though and I'm pretty well over it and think I turned out okay despite it all, well except going off on people who I think don't get it.

      Oh, and my daughter is an amazing woman despite it all too.

      Terra
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  • wow this world is getting crazier everyday.
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    The guy had been beaten nearly do death. There's a reason we have police. Citizens are not allowed to be vigilantes and take the law in their own hands. He most likely would have been fine to simply make a citizen's arrest and restrain without assaulting the creep instead of putting him in the hospital in critical condition.

    I have little sympathy for the peeping tom in this case, but thought that it was interesting that the peeping tom has no police record and the vigilante father has a record for domestic violence and child abuse. I don't think dear old Dad is going to get a Father of the Year Award any time soon.
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    • He does now - I'm not sure if you can garner any sympathy for a guy that has just started his police record in such a way. Everyone w/ a record has a beginning, and this is his.
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  • All I know is I am sick and tired of the criminals being the only ones with any rights. They have free will and they SHOULD suffer the consequences of their actions just like anybody else - however that shakes out - whoops that the 'punishment' didn't fit the crime (like hell).

    In this case the consequences are being beat half to death. Bet he wasn't expecting that! He is obviously SICK and now he is REALLY SICK. and his SICKNESS is contagious (to his victims).

    Now the guy who beat him up will have his consequences as well - and you know they say 'what goes around comes around' - it may not be in a perfectly organized circle.

    It could be years in coming and come from a completely unrelated source - they may not even realize they deserve whatever they get.

    In this case it sounds like they both need to be off the streets to protect society.
  • Here's just one... there are a ton more out there:

    Page 2: Mom Arrested for Allowing Children to Sunburn - ABC News

    There are many things that can bring on a child abuse charge that doesn't involve actually touching a child. I don't say that to minimize child abuse - it's absolutely the truth. Did you know you can become a sex offender by peeing behind a tree in a public park? - I'm just saying that we need to know what brought on those charges before we can assume anything. You're obviously bringing a history with your assumption that is not necessarily giving this guy a fair shake. I want to see a report - and so far my searches have barely even mentioned what you have here.

    In fact can you provide me w/ a link that talks about those charges? I know I saw them somewhere too, but now I'm not sure If I thought I saw it because of people's comments or if I actually read it in a report somewhere. Because now I can't find a report of it anywhere. I'd honestly like to research it.
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      There are no links because the story is about him beating the crap out of the voyeur, not about his background. You want to give this guy a pass on domestic violence and child abuse, that's your prerogative. I don't give him a pass.

      You should have chosen a better sunburn story. It was overcharged and all felony charges dropped and reduced to a misdemeanor. But anyone who actually is so negligent that they allow their children to burn to 3rd degree burns, is guilty of child abuse. How horrific does the experience of this Hero's wife and children have to be before you take notice? Broken limbs, cigarette burns, starvation? I'm sorry ... it was serious enough to give this guy a criminal history of it. That's good enough for me for this story.
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    A young girl around 14yo heard moaning and groaning outside of her window, and thought it was a CAT. She found that it was a 29yo male. Her brother confronted the guy, who was NUDE, and the guy hit him. Her brother, father, and a neighbor, chased the nude guy down, and held him for the police. The guy had been beaten. They are charging the father with aggravated assault!