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A young girl around 14yo heard moaning and groaning outside of her window, and thought it was a CAT. She found that it was a 29yo male. Her brother confronted the guy, who was NUDE, and the guy hit him. Her brother, father, and a neighbor, chased the nude guy down, and held him for the police. The guy had been beaten.

They are charging the father with aggravated assault!


So a trespasser that is nude, disrupting your plants, and spying on your daughter(which could be considered a FELONY as it is akin to child porn), and hits your son, should not even be TOUCHED?

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    Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

    A young girl around 14yo heard moaning and groaning outside of her window, and thought it was a CAT. She found that it was a 29yo male. Her brother confronted the guy, who was NUDE, and the guy hit him. Her brother, father, and a neighbor, chased the nude guy down, and held him for the police. The guy had been beaten.

    They are charging the father with aggravated assault!

    Police: Naked peeping Tom beaten - YouTube

    So a trespasser that is nude, disrupting your plants, and spying on your daughter(which could be considered a FELONY as it is akin to child porn), and hits your son, should not even be TOUCHED?

    Steve
    Interesting. I would guess they charged him because he "chased the guy down", which from a cops perspective means the intruder was running away and now off the guys property, so there was no longer a danger.

    I would also guess the intruder will be charged with something too.

    Crazy world...
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

      Interesting. I would guess they charged him because he "chased the guy down", which from a cops perspective means the intruder was running away and now off the guys property, so there was no longer a danger.

      I would also guess the intruder will be charged with something too.

      Crazy world...
      NO LONGER A DANGER?????? You're kidding, RIGHT?

      Advertising? Danger STARTS!
      ID Theft? Danger STARTS!
      Harassment, etc? Danger CONTINUES!

      Yeah, the guy was charged with voyeurism.

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      • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        NO LONGER A DANGER?????? You're kidding, RIGHT?

        Advertising? Danger STARTS!
        ID Theft? Danger STARTS!
        Harassment, etc? Danger CONTINUES!

        Yeah, the guy was charged with voyeurism.

        Steve
        Kidding about what? I didn't say not a danger - I was simply supposing what the cops MAY have viewed it as - and YES - it IS something they would most likely say. If the perp is running AWAY from you, they consider you out of danger. So if you chase him down and attack, they charge you with assault.

        Not much to like about it, but it ain't MY rules
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

          Kidding about what? I didn't say not a danger - I was simply supposing what the cops MAY have viewed it as - and YES - it IS something they would most likely say. If the perp is running AWAY from you, they consider you out of danger. So if you chase him down and attack, they charge you with assault.

          Not much to like about it, but it ain't MY rules
          This is like an ID theft. The REAL danger can happen AFTER they get away.

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    There's crap like this going on in both colors. It's time to stop the racial instigating and go after officials who rule like a bunch of Nazis instead of according to a logical sense of law.
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    If the father and brother are convicted for aggravated battery and it turns out that this peeping tom is a convicted pedophile, there should be a hefty fine imposed on the local legal system for failing to protect that little girl from this creep.
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      Should of shot him and thrown him through the window.
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    Hmmmmmmmm............. very suspicious.

    If Mike Tyson was king of the USA it would probably not be happening.
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    • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
      Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

      Hmmmmmmmm............. very suspicious.

      If Mike Tyson was king of the USA it would probably not be happening.

      You're kidding aren't you?


      I don't remember where but this is the guy that said that Holyfield's ear tasted like ass.
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      • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
        Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

        You're kidding aren't you?


        I don't remember where but this is the guy that said that Holyfield's ear tasted like ass.
        I'm still not clear if he's kidding or not. Check this out.

        He still has not answered me. :confused:

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        • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
          Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

          I'm still not clear if he's kidding or not. Check this out.

          He still has not answered me. :confused:

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          Yea I seen that in the other thread! I don't see things in black or white but I would no sooner vote for Mike Tyson As I would not vote for Jim Carry's Fire Marshal Bill.

          Out of all people Mike Tyson would be disastrous, instead of sending people to prison he might want them sent to his quarters so that he can munch on body parts while watching boxing reruns of himself.
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      • Profile picture of the author bravo75
        Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

        You're kidding aren't you?


        I don't remember where but this is the guy that said that Holyfield's ear tasted like ass.
        Didn't he also say he would eat Lennox Lewis's babies, or something?
        He also said to a male journalist that he would "f*&j him and make his bitch."

        I like Iron Mike, but unfortunately, mental illness got the better of him.
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        Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

        You're kidding aren't you?


        I don't remember where but this is the guy that said that Holyfield's ear tasted like ass.
        That was on Conan the other night
        Conan asked him about his surprise visit at Holyfields press conference announcing his new hot sauce.
        Tyson said he should of put some on his ear because it tasted like ass
        By the way Tyson and Holyfield are great friends, now.
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      Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

      Hmmmmmmmm............. very suspicious.

      If Mike Tyson was king of the USA it would probably not be happening.
      Really?
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Everyone seems to be overlooking one thing . . . the possibility that these three men beat this guy long after he was under control. You don't get to that.

    The only thing I know about this case is what I've seen in this thread, and I'm certainly not defending the pervert's actions, but it is possible those three guys are guilty of crimes no less serious than the pervert at the window, albeit crimes of a different nature.

    We just can't have citizens administering their own vigilante justice at will, because many will carry things too far. That's what it sounds like these guys did. The video said the alleged pervert was beaten so badly he has life threatening injuries and is in an unstable condition.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      We just can't have citizens administering their own vigilante justice at will, because many will carry things too far. That's what it sounds like these guys did. The video said he the pervert was beaten so badly he has life threatening injuries and is in an unstable condition.
      I agree with Dennis.
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      • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
        Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

        I agree with Dennis.
        Sure, his reasoning is sound. However, this isn't vigilante justice in which an alleged perp is tracked down by a rabid mob. It is a family's reacting to a pedophile pervert invading a child's space and further aggression committed against them. Their reaction is completely understandable under the circumstances, and they had no way of knowing if this pervert could come back or not to commit more violations against their family. Such demented individuals are known to gun down entire families to satisfy their perversions.

        Serial Pedophile Kills 2 Hours After Being Released from Prison - The Free Patriot

        BTW, this case bears no resemblance to wannabe cop George Zimmerman, himself an incestual sex molester with a history of berserk violence, stalking and killing Trayyvon Martin.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
          Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

          Sure, his reasoning is sound. However, this isn't vigilante justice in which an alleged perp is tracked down by a rabid mob. It is a family's reacting to a pedophile pervert invading a child's space and further aggression committed against them. Their reaction is completely understandable under the circumstances, and they had no way of knowing if this pervert could come back or not to commit more violations against their family. Such demented individuals are known to gun down entire families to satisfy their perversions.

          Serial Pedophile Kills 2 Hours After Being Released from Prison - The Free Patriot
          So... because some other pervert killed someone when he got out of prison, that makes it OK to beat all perverts almost to death?
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          • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
            Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

            So... because some other pervert killed someone when he got out of prison, that makes it OK to beat all perverts almost to death?
            Their emotional reaction is completely understandable under the circumstances. It's not likely they planned to kill that molester.

            I've scared myself in the past by reacting very violently to an attack. After experiencing such trauma, one often is not in a completely rational, cool and collected mental state, not necessarily registering right away that the aggressor is no longer dangerous.
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            • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
              Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

              Their emotional reaction is completely understandable under the circumstances. It's not likely they planned to kill that molester.

              I've scared myself in the past by reacting very violently to an attack. After experiencing such trauma, one often is not in a completely rational, cool and collected mental state, not necessarily registering right away that the aggressor is no longer dangerous.
              I never said it wasn't understandable. I may have done the same thing as the father did, after all, I have two daughters. That doesn't mean I should be immune from the law if I did.

              It's easy to understand the father's side in this. Removing yourself from the emotions and seeing the whole picture isn't quite as easy.

              One would hope, and perhaps even expect, if charges are filed against the father, that he wouldn't be punished to the maximum extent of the law given the extenuating circumstances.
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              • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
                Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

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                One would hope, and perhaps even expect, if charges are filed against the father, that he wouldn't be punished to the maximum extent of the law given the extenuating circumstances.
                The father will not be punished at all. DA is largely a political position.
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                Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post


                One would hope, and perhaps even expect, if charges are filed against the father, that he wouldn't be punished to the maximum extent of the law given the extenuating circumstances.
                And why should he not receive the same punishment as others who commit the same crime? What makes him so special?
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                • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
                  Originally Posted by SashaLee View Post

                  And why should he not receive the same punishment as others who commit the same crime? What makes him so special?
                  I'll explain why.

                  If I was a bit unhinged and I saw you and chased you down the road and battered you, do you think I should be punished the same as, for example, your Father, who chased a naked pervert down the road and battered him after he was found naked outside your bedroom window?

                  Just because someone is charged with battery, doesn't mean that every battery case in history were done under exactly the same circumstances.

                  Just saying.

                  Besides, the pervert hit one of them. Therefore a good kicking was par for the course.
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              Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

              Their emotional reaction is completely understandable under the circumstances. It's not likely they planned to kill that molester.

              I've scared myself in the past by reacting very violently to an attack. After experiencing such trauma, one often is not in a completely rational, cool and collected mental state, not necessarily registering right away that the aggressor is no longer dangerous.

              sounds alot like what Zimmerman was feeling LOL you are one funny dude
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              • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
                Originally Posted by bluecoyotemedia View Post

                sounds alot like what Zimmerman was feeling LOL you are one funny dude
                I got physically attacked, not like I was stalking the aggressor in the shadows of the night. I was shocked by what my elbows could do to someone's face. Anyway, I'm a funny guy, what can I say. I quit going to Toastmasters because they took every speech I made as a comedy routine. Even laughed when I coughed.
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          Good point Thunderbird.

          I think the pervert should be punished appropriately though. Maybe locked away and treated. I don't think he should have been beaten to death.
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          Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post


          BTW, this case bears no resemblance to wannabe cop George Zimmerman, himself an incestual sex molester with a history of berserk violence, stalking and killing Trayyvon Martin.
          Agreed. Not sure where the title of the thread comes from. :/
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            Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

            Agreed. Not sure where the title of the thread comes from. :/

            I wouldn't be surprised if someone had an orgasm over this story.
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              Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

              I wouldn't be surprised if someone had an orgasm over this story.
              That's a twisted statement even from you, TL.
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              • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
                Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

                That's an idiotic statement even from you, TL.

                I makes more sense than you trying to float the idea that the POTUS knew nothing about the operation that killed Bin Laden - so that he had cover in case it failed.

                Oh, I think not.

                Not from what I heard defending Mr. Zimmerman around here from certain parties who found numerous ways to defend someone who...


                - Acted like a overzealous vigilante cop.

                - Stalked someone.

                - Told by 9-1-1 operator to stand down.

                - Got into a confrontation with that someone anyway.

                - Killed that someone.

                And then certain persons in here...

                ... trashed the killed person in order to justify actions of the vigilante because there was no other way to justify the killers actions.
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                • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                  Seriously TL, why do you want to bring the "POTUS" into threads that have absolutely nothing to do with him? :confused:

                  Are you on a mission to get as many threads nuked that you possibly can, or what?

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                  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
                    Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                    Seriously TL, why do you want to bring the "POTUS" into threads that have absolutely nothing to do with him? :confused:

                    Are you on a mission to get as many threads nuked that you possibly can, or what?

                    Terra

                    I understand your confusion.

                    Why don't try to understand the context of my replies instead of knee-jerking trying to get in my grill?

                    LOL!

                    If anyone in here is go along to get along it has to be you.

                    Do some homework and bone up on the issues.

                    Your response to my question in this other thread here...

                    http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...nt-news-4.html

                    ... clearly demonstrates that you can't even publicly disagree with someone who seems to be advocating you know what.
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                    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

                      I understand your confusion.

                      Why don't try to understand the context of my replies instead of knee-jerking trying to get in my grill?

                      LOL!

                      If anyone in here is go along to get along it has to be you.

                      Do some homework and bone up on the issues.

                      Your response to my question in this other thread here...

                      http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...nt-news-4.html

                      ... clearly demonstrates that you can't even publicly disagree with someone who seems to be advocating you know what.
                      TL,

                      Trust me when I say that you are the last one whose grill I want to be up in! Open mouth, insert finger....gag and shudder. :rolleyes:

                      Yeah, right! It's blatantly obvious that I go along to get along with you! :rolleyes:

                      As for my homework, I do it thank you very much but you aren't the kind of person I want in my study group.

                      All my post there does is show my respect for the forum rules, those who make them and those who enforce them, as well as my fellow OT friends, unlike you.

                      Get a clue, would ya?

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                      • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
                        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                        TL,

                        Trust me when I say that you are the last one whose grill I want to be up in! Open mouth, insert finger....gag and shudder. :rolleyes:

                        Yeah, right! It's blatantly obvious that I go along to get along with you! :rolleyes:

                        As for my homework, I do it thank you very much but you aren't the kind of person I want in my study group.

                        All my post there does is show my respect for the forum rules, those who make them and those who enforce them, as well as my fellow OT friends, unlike you.

                        Get a clue, would ya?

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                    Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                    Seriously TL, why do you want to bring the "POTUS" into threads that have absolutely nothing to do with him? :confused:

                    Are you on a mission to get as many threads nuked that you possibly can, or what?

                    Terra
                    YEAH! BESIDES, the idea of killing a person like Usama would be SECRET! If it failed, they just act like it never happened. MOST don't crow about it. Some are suspected of directing deaths of others and we STILL don't really know.

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                      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                        My God!

                        Can't there be one thread without insane posturing?

                        It's not even entertaining anymore.

                        By the way, I think we've all got the lesson here about this thread. If you're going to look in windows while you are naked..make sure the window is closed so they can't hear you moaning.

                        See? I was paying attention.

                        Added later; at the time I posted this, I hadn't seen the video, and was joking based on the other posts.
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                              I'm guessing that half the men here have looked through a keyhole at one time or another.
                              True dat
                              What I think is interesting is I don't know any father who wouldn't give their life to protect their daughter. I also don't know any mother who wouldn't give their life to protect their son.
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                              • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                                No, he was masturbating. And as unpleasant as that is....it isn't attempted murder. I don't know what that charge is. Maybe indecent exposure?

                                The 14 year old kid example? The kid looking at my wife? That's kid stuff.

                                I'm guessing that half the men here have looked through a keyhole at one time or another.

                                But naked? in public? looking at a kid? (Although I don't know if he was purposely choosing to look at her because she was a kid). That's a different kettle of fish. He sounds unbalanced.

                                The word that keeps sticking in my head is "Undesirable". I'm not someone who goes on marches, or get's involved in local issues...but if he was in my neighborhood, whether it was my house or not, I'd try to get him removed.

                                Most peeping toms don't escalate. But enough do, that it would be serious.

                                But beat him? Or want to see him killed? No.
                                Claude,

                                I'm thinking you have been blessed with never having to go through the aftermath of an attempted sexual assault on a family member, and I envy you for that.

                                I, on the other hand, have. One on myself and one on my daughter when she was only eight years old. He had a gun, I didn't care and went into protective mode. I'm very lucky neither my daughter or myself was shot or worse.

                                You can belittle others for their strong reactions, but until you've had to live through something like that, you honestly don't have a clue.

                                I mean you no disrespect, but I just had to say that after reading some of your posts.

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                                  Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                                  Claude,

                                  I'm thinking you have been blessed with never having to go through the aftermath of an attempted sexual assault on a family member, and I envy you for that.

                                  I, on the other hand, have. One on myself and one on my daughter when she was only eight years old. He had a gun, I didn't care and went into protective mode. I'm very lucky neither my daughter or myself was shot or worse.

                                  You can belittle others for their strong reactions, but until you've had to live through something like that, you honestly don't have a clue.

                                  I mean you no disrespect, but I just had to say that after reading some of your posts.

                                  Terra
                                  My sister was molested at the age of 10 by a grown man (if I recall he was around 30). I was 14 and my brother was 13. We tried like hell to get to that guy but could never catch him on the street. We kept damaging his tow truck (his own business, not an employer) - rock through the windshield, knifing the tires, that sort of thing.

                                  My mother, of course, got the police involved. Not much they could do back then without putting my sister on the stand, etc. So, basically the cops kept an eye on him for a while for my mother. They would harass him - tickets, pulling him over for anything - that kind of thing. One of the cops knew my brother and I were damaging his tow truck and told us we were now breaking the law. He was nice about it but told us to back off or we would find ourselves in hot water. And we'd be liable for damages.

                                  Also have a niece who was molested at the age of 6. My brother and I looked for that guy too. Lucky for him - and us - we couldn't find him or we'd both have been thrown in jail.

                                  Reactions aside, if you go after someone and hurt (or worse) that person, you crossed the line and could be thrown in jail yourself. It's that old saying - 2 wrongs, etc...

                                  I get it. More than people here might think. But from where I sit, beating that guy to a pulp may have given the man some personal satisfaction - but if he ends up in jail then he hurts himself AND his daughter.

                                  Detaining someone until the police arrive is one thing. Defending yourself is also understandable. Once the guy ran, they should have simply waited for the cops. They obviously knew the guy and where he lived. Beating him into critical condition didn't do the father any favors, especially if he ends up in jail. Or now, the pervert will probably sue and could indeed win.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                                    Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

                                    My sister was molested at the age of 10 by a grown man (if I recall he was around 30). I was 14 and my brother was 13. We tried like hell to get to that guy but could never catch him on the street. We kept damaging his tow truck (his own business, not an employer) - rock through the windshield, knifing the tires, that sort of thing.

                                    My mother, of course, got the police involved. Not much they could do back then without putting my sister on the stand, etc. So, basically the cops kept an eye on him for a while for my mother. They would harass him - tickets, pulling him over for anything - that kind of thing. One of the cops knew my brother and I were damaging his tow truck and told us we were now breaking the law. He was nice about it but told us to back off or we would find ourselves in hot water. And we'd be liable for damages.

                                    Also have a niece who was molested at the age of 6. My brother and I looked for that guy too. Lucky for him - and us - we couldn't find him or we'd both have been thrown in jail.

                                    Reactions aside, if you go after someone and hurt (or worse) that person, you crossed the line and could be thrown in jail yourself. It's that old saying - 2 wrongs, etc...

                                    I get it. More than people here might think. But from where I sit, beating that guy to a pulp may have given the man some personal satisfaction - but if he ends up in jail then he hurts himself AND his daughter.

                                    Detaining someone until the police arrive is one thing. Defending yourself is also understandable.
                                    I get it. ALL RIGHT! and 2 wrongs don't make a right but sometimes they stop another wrong.


                                    They obviously knew the guy and where he lived. Beating him into critical condition didn't do the father any favors, especially if he ends up in jail. Or now, the pervert will probably sue and could indeed win.
                                    How do you know they knew ANYTHING about the person? And HOW could they prove it?

                                    What ever happened with the son of sam law, and similar things?

                                    Son of Sam law legal definition of Son of Sam law. Son of Sam law synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.

                                    My ORIGINAL understanding was that that NY apparently NOW puts lip service to:

                                    The Simon and Schuster decision has put the validity of all Son of Sam laws in doubt. New York quickly amended its law to apply to any economic benefit to the criminal derived from the crime, not just the proceeds from the sale of the offender's story. This redefinition was intended to eliminate the unconstitutional regulation of expressive activity and reconceptualize the law as a regulation of economic proceeds from crime.

                                    And these laws are *****NOT***** against the first amendment! They can go to the highest peak, and declare it openly! They can put it on TV, RADIO, ETC!!!!!! The son of sam law did NOTHING to prevent such a thing. It merely said they couldn't get PAID for it!

                                    So if a criminal gets hurt in a crime, they shouldn't benefit from it. After all, should they sue a window company because they got cut because the window company didn't use candy glass, or safety glass? Should they sue for getting anthrax on a rose bush? How about being bitten by a spider or snake? Breaking a leg?

                                    DON'T think it can't happen. Burglars HAVE sued for dog bites, snake bites, falling through a glass skylight, etc.... And candy glass would be STUPID! It would be expensive, etc... It is also, by definition, more likely to break! Safety glass costs more, likely won't insulate as well, is more expensive, etc.... And what is the point in most cases?

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                                      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post


                                      How do you know they knew ANYTHING about the person? And HOW could they prove it?



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                                      Well, I DON'T knew if they knew anything ABOUT him. I said they knew who he was... according to the news, he lived in the neighborhood. That's why I said point the cops to his house and let them deal with it.

                                      I don't really know anything about the other stuff you wrote...
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                                      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

                                      2 wrongs don't make a right but sometimes they stop another wrong.

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                                      Sometimes it can be a challenge for those of us not as educated as yourself to decipher some of the messages you try to convey - but I like this quote from you Steve. I may have to steal it.
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                                        Originally Posted by garyv View Post

                                        Sometimes it can be a challenge for those of us not as educated as yourself to decipher some of the messages you try to convey - but I like this quote from you Steve. I may have to steal it.
                                        LOL - I have to agree with you here. But isn't that saying how the death penalty is justified?

                                        FWIW Steve - it MAY stop THAT guy from doing another wrong. But like the death penalty - it's hardly a deterrent for those who are determined to do bad things.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                                    Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

                                    My sister was molested at the age of 10 by a grown man (if I recall he was around 30). I was 14 and my brother was 13. We tried like hell to get to that guy but could never catch him on the street. We kept damaging his tow truck (his own business, not an employer) - rock through the windshield, knifing the tires, that sort of thing.

                                    My mother, of course, got the police involved. Not much they could do back then without putting my sister on the stand, etc. So, basically the cops kept an eye on him for a while for my mother. They would harass him - tickets, pulling him over for anything - that kind of thing. One of the cops knew my brother and I were damaging his tow truck and told us we were now breaking the law. He was nice about it but told us to back off or we would find ourselves in hot water. And we'd be liable for damages.

                                    Also have a niece who was molested at the age of 6. My brother and I looked for that guy too. Lucky for him - and us - we couldn't find him or we'd both have been thrown in jail.

                                    Reactions aside, if you go after someone and hurt (or worse) that person, you crossed the line and could be thrown in jail yourself. It's that old saying - 2 wrongs, etc...

                                    I get it. More than people here might think. But from where I sit, beating that guy to a pulp may have given the man some personal satisfaction - but if he ends up in jail then he hurts himself AND his daughter.

                                    Detaining someone until the police arrive is one thing. Defending yourself is also understandable. Once the guy ran, they should have simply waited for the cops. They obviously knew the guy and where he lived. Beating him into critical condition didn't do the father any favors, especially if he ends up in jail. Or now, the pervert will probably sue and could indeed win.
                                    I agree beating him into critical condition didn't do him any favors. I wasn't by any means defending the father at all. I was just trying to get Claude to understand why some people had such strong reactions to the perp's actions is all. I've never been pro-vigilante, and that hasn't changed.

                                    I understand that breaking a law because someone else did doesn't make it right, but people still do, we're only human after all and that isn't changing any time soon.

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                                • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                                  Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                                  Claude,

                                  I'm thinking you have been blessed with never having to go through the aftermath of an attempted sexual assault on a family member, and I envy you for that.
                                  Terra; You would be wrong.

                                  And in the heat of the moment a lot can be forgiven. All of us that have children would do anything to protect them.

                                  Sorry about your experience.

                                  I decided to add this; I think I know the difference here. I don't see these things as a threat. Someone looking in a window? To me, that's an annoyance. Masturbating in public? Another annoyance. Someone threatening my family? Hollow words with no substance. I think it just takes more for me to flip my switch. Maybe it takes more than most for me to consider a person a real threat.

                                  I'm just wired differently I think.

                                  But when I said that some of the reactions here are scary? I didn't mean I didn't get them. I just don't react the same way.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                                    Terra; You would be wrong.

                                    And in the heat of the moment a lot can be forgiven. All of us that have children would do anything to protect them.

                                    Sorry about your experience.

                                    I decided to add this; I think I know the difference here. I don't see these things as a threat. Someone looking in a window? To me, that's an annoyance. Masturbating in public? Another annoyance. Someone threatening my family? Hollow words with no substance. I think it just takes more for me to flip my switch. Maybe it takes more than most for me to consider a person a real threat.

                                    I'm just wired differently I think.

                                    But when I said that some of the reactions here are scary? I didn't mean I didn't get them. I just don't react the same way.
                                    I apologize for my incorrect assumption and perhaps that is it, the being wired differently, I mean.

                                    But it's not just about the attack, it's about the nightmares and waking up in a sweat and your heart pounding so hard you think it's going to explode as if you were actually fighting them again. It's about the countless police interviews that cause the nightmares to increase. It's the pressure of knowing a serial rapist has been on the loose and if you don't testify, the other victims won't. Sure he'll get it for sexual assault and attempted rape in your case, but not for the actual rape in the other cases.

                                    It's about with every interview you are reliving it again and again which your nightmares are doing a fine job of that all by themselves. It's about freaking out on the inside whenever you notice a man looking at you, which was just par for the course before, but now feels like a threat. It's about the disgusting things he said to you replaying in your mind over and over and you can't make them stop. It's sheer mental agony in addition to the physical violation.

                                    And then when it's your little girl! Omg! It's worse! She's having the nightmares, you know what she's going through but you can't help her. It's about being way overprotective which you know isn't healthy, but you can't stop yourself. It's trying to teach her not to be frightened to go outside to play or go on filed trips, just normal things when you feared the same things and you feel like a hypocrite!

                                    Once again Claude, I envy you. Maybe those experiences wouldn't have been as bad if I were just wired differently...

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                                    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
                                      Sorry you have had to go through all that Terra. I've known quite a few women who have been molested, sexually abused, etc... Too many. Unfortunately it seems all too common in our society. I know that these things stay with them for years, decades later. Heck, their whole life in most cases.
                                      Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                                      I apologize for my incorrect assumption and perhaps that is it, the being wired differently, I mean.

                                      It's not just about the attack, it's about the nightmares and waking up in a sweat and your heart pounding so hard you think it's going to explode as if you were actually fighting them again. It's about the countless police interviews that cause the nightmares to increase. It's the pressure of knowing a serial rapist has been on the loose and if you don't testify, the other victims won't. Sure he'll get it for sexual assault and attempted rape in your case, but not for the actual rape in the other cases.

                                      It's about with every interview you are reliving it again and again which your nightmares are doing a fine job of that all by themselves. It's about freaking out on the inside whenever you notice a man looking at you, which was just par for the course before, but now feels like a threat. It's about the disgusting things he said to you replaying in your mind over and over and you can't make them stop. It's sheer mental agony in addition to the physical violation.

                                      And then when your it's your little girl! Omg! It's worse! She's having the nightmares, you know what she's going through but you can't help her. It's about being way overprotective which you know isn't healthy, but you can't stop yourself. It's trying to teach her not to be frightened to go outside to play or go on filed trips, just normal things when you feared the same things and you feel like a hypocrite!

                                      Once again Claude, I envy you. Maybe those experiences wouldn't have been as bad if I were just wired differently...

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                • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
                  Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

                  I makes more sense than you trying to float the idea that the POTUS knew nothing about the operation that killed Bin Laden - so that he had cover in case it failed.

                  Oh, I think not.

                  Not from what I heard defending Mr. Zimmerman around here from certain parties who found numerous ways to defend someone who...


                  - Acted like a overzealous vigilante cop.

                  - Stalked someone.

                  - Told by 9-1-1 operator to stand down.

                  - Got into a confrontation with that someone anyway.

                  - Killed that someone.

                  And then certain persons in here...

                  ... trashed the killed person in order to justify actions of the vigilante because there was no other way to justify the killers actions.
                  LOL, off on another mission to kill a thread I see. I have NO idea what you're even talking about. So I guess I'll go back to ignoring your posts.
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                  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
                    Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

                    LOL, off on another mission to kill a thread I see. I have NO idea what you're even talking about. So I guess I'll go back to ignoring your posts.

                    With everything said about the POTUS around here how can the mere mention of him kill this thread?

                    You're lucky that killing of bin laden thread was nuked or I'd be happy to show you what you wrote.
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              • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

                That's a twisted statement even from you, TL.
                Well, hey, HE probably did. I never even CONSIDERED such a possibility.

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          • Profile picture of the author TheNewGuy2010
            It sure did get a lot of clicks. That's why I was thinking the title was created.


            Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

            Agreed. Not sure where the title of the thread comes from. :/
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      Everyone seems to be overlooking one thing . . . the possibility that these three men beat this guy long after he was under control. You don't get to that.

      The only thing I know about this case is what I've seen in this thread, and I'm certainly not defending the pervert's actions, but it is possible those three guys are guilty of crimes no less serious than the pervert at the window, albeit crimes of a different nature.

      We just can't have citizens administering their own vigilante justice at will, because many will carry things too far. That's what it sounds like these guys did. The video said he the pervert was beaten so badly he has life threatening injuries and is in an unstable condition.
      The nude guy hit the 19yo brother. Shouldn't HE get a punch in? And the brother had a father who may have also gotten a punch in. And don't forget that he did WHO KNOWS WHAT with that girl. We may NEVER know! I mean it isn't like the 10th century anymore! He OBVIOUSLY knows were she lives, watched her, and masterbated, and didn't make HER feel any better. Did he steal info about her? Take pictures? WHO KNOWS? He may EVEN have installed wifi cameras in her room, or hacked her laptop.

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      • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
        I have ZERO tolerance for pedophiles and as far as I'm concerned, the perp is lucky the father, son and friend didn't castrate the sick-o!

        Honestly, that is what I would have wanted done if my daughter was the victim.

        I don't condone murdering the guy by any means, but eradicating the problem with surgical removal would work for me.

        Seriously!

        Years ago I was watching a program where a pedophile was caught, convicted and was in prison. He was being interviewed and he was pleading with authorities to castrate him because he knew once he was out, he would strike again because he could not stop himself. The authorities refused his request but I thought it was a good idea...and still do...

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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    The vast majority of people would support a father who beat up a pedophile pervert engaging in demented peeping-tom perversions outside his underage child's window. Law enforcement is affected by community standards and politics. There is no way that the father will be charged with anything.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

      The vast majority of people would support a father who beat up a pedophile pervert engaging in demented peeping-tom perversions outside his underage child's window. Law enforcement is affected by community standards and politics. There is no way that the father will be charged with anything.
      I agree with that. I'd support it too, if all he did was beat him up a little. Murder is another matter entirely. If he has life-threatening injuries and is unstable, as reported in the video, then his death is a potential outcome.
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      • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

        I agree with that. I'd support it too, if all he did was beat him up a little. Murder is another matter entirely. If he has life-threatening injuries and is unstable, as reported in the video, then his death is a potential outcome.
        If the pervert dies, I hope the family all get officially rewarded for performing a good service for society.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    As much as I HATE the idea of the thought of castration(I still remember when my eyes teared up reading the warnings on hair dye my mother had! It was as if I got it in MY eyes), and am a pacifist, I agree with terra. And it is one of the few times he is left with no defense. Outside a young girl's window, moaning, and NUDE? With SEVERAL witnesses? As for how SHE feels? HEY, I wouldn't want that EITHER!

    I have BOXES of stuff here JUST because it may have personal identification info, and I don't want to pay HUNDREDS of dollars for a shredder that can handle it all. So I am even going out of my way not to have my privacy destroyed EVEN at the city dump. Even so, there is an intake vent with a clear shot of my bed, and I never went to the hassle to check if there was a camera there.

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  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
    Some are getting a bit hysterical. I don't think anyone said the perve didn't get what he had coming. I know I didn't say that. But the question was why the father got hit with a charge and that is simple. He chased the guy down and beat him. That's against the law in the places I know of.

    Whether he is right or wrong, justified or not, it is NOT the cops job to determine that. He is supposed to enforce the laws that are on the books. It's the judge/jury that get to say if he was justified. Frankly, cops tend to get peeved when people mete out their own justice.

    From the cops perspective, he obviously determined a law was broken and did his job. Again - the reasons and justification have nothing to do with it. That's for another day (in court).

    Me? I probably would have done the same thing as the father. And the cops around here would have arrested me too (that is, IF I was caught...).
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

      Some are getting a bit hysterical. I don't think anyone said the perve didn't get what he had coming. I know I didn't say that. But the question was why the father got hit with a charge and that is simple. He chased the guy down and beat him. That's against the law in the places I know of.

      Whether he is right or wrong, justified or not, it is NOT the cops job to determine that. He is supposed to enforce the laws that are on the books. It's the judge/jury that get to say if he was justified. Frankly, cops tend to get peeved when people mete out their own justice.

      From the cops perspective, he obviously determined a law was broken and did his job. Again - the reasons and justification have nothing to do with it. That's for another day (in court).

      Me? I probably would have done the same thing as the father. And the cops around here would have arrested me too (that is, IF I was caught...).
      Good logic Mike.
      If the cops didn't arrest the father the perv could very well file a law suit against the city and police department.
      I seriously doubt a jury will convict the father, and I feel pretty confident the cops feel the same way.
      From past experiences I know a father will do whatever it takes to protect his daughter, automatically.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        just remember you started it.
        Seriously? What are you - 12?

        I'm beginning to wonder if you post this way to deliberately get threads deleted when you don't agree with them.

        I'm wondering why you get by with it.

        I'm wondering how effective you would be if everyone in the OT put you on the ignore list....just sayin....
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    When the Perv hit the girl's brother, that is automatically a felony. In the United States you can perform a citizen's arrest on anyone that has commit a felony. If the guy is struggling and combative, then he may very well have been hurt. I seriously doubt that the father will receive any punishment.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      When the Perv hit the girl's brother, that is automatically a felony. In the United States you can perform a citizen's arrest on anyone that has commit a felony. If the guy is struggling and combative, then he may very well have been hurt. I seriously doubt that the father will receive any punishment.
      This is true, but remember that when a cop arrives on a scene like this, he really has no clue who's who. It's always easy to figure all this out after the fact, but he's there at that moment and has to first make sure no one is in danger (himself included). They sort all the rest out later.

      Thanks to media coverage we all get to be armchair quarterbacks
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      • Profile picture of the author garyv
        Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

        This is true, but remember that when a cop arrives on a scene like this, he really has no clue who's who. It's always easy to figure all this out after the fact, but he's there at that moment and has to first make sure no one is in danger (himself included). They sort all the rest out later.

        Thanks to media coverage we all get to be armchair quarterbacks
        This is true. But it was probably a little easier to sort out this one, considering that one of them didn't have clothes on.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
          Originally Posted by SashaLee View Post

          And why should he not receive the same punishment as others who commit the same crime? What makes him so special?
          Does this really need to be explained? Judges have latitude in their sentencing for a number of good reasons.


          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

          The nude guy hit the 19yo brother. Shouldn't HE get a punch in? And the brother had a father who may have also gotten a punch in.
          There's a big difference between getting a punch in and using reasonable force to restrain someone, and beating them so badly they could die. No one likes what the perp did, many of us may have reacted similarly, but the law enforcement agencies have to do their job.
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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            I have given this some more thought. I don't have a daughter.

            I think the sensibilities would be different if I did. So I guess I understand a strong reaction. But beating someone to the brink of death?

            That's hard to justify.
            I think the son had the right initial reaction. Chase the guy away. Call the police.

            Of course, there is probably a lot that went on that we don't know and never will. Our reactions are always (in these threads) based on very incomplete information. Including my reactions.
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
          Originally Posted by garyv View Post

          This is true. But it was probably a little easier to sort out this one, considering that one of them didn't have clothes on.

          Perhaps, but these days, cops still walk up to a car they pulled over for speeding with their hands on their guns - even in broad daylight and some old lady driving. They are very cautious. For all he knew, the naked guy could have been the victim after the bad guy kicked his ass and stripped him. Stranger things have happened.

          My point was simply that nothing is what it seems at first. As a cop, multiply that by 100 times.
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            Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

            For all he knew, the naked guy could have been the victim after the bad guy kicked his ass and stripped him. Stranger things have happened.

            My point was simply that nothing is what it seems at first. As a cop, multiply that by 100 times.
            This is pretty much what I was thinking. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
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        ANOTHER TREYVON?

        Oh...

        I thought this thread would be about someone, who should have never been brought to trial in the first place, had to defend themselves from an special (illegally placed) prosecutor. That prosecutor being appointed by an elected official who caved-in to a racially motivated group.

        Oh well, never mind.

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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Did you guys watch the video? The guy has life threatening injuries, in unstable critical condition.

      He was a peeping tom. Although a strange thing to do....and not cool....

      Life threatening injuries? Also not cool.

      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      The nude guy hit the 19yo brother. Shouldn't HE get a punch in? And the brother had a father who may have also gotten a punch in. And don't forget that he did WHO KNOWS WHAT with that girl. We may NEVER know! I mean it isn't like the 10th century anymore! He OBVIOUSLY knows were she lives, watched her, and masterbated, and didn't make HER feel any better. Did he steal info about her? Take pictures? WHO KNOWS? He may EVEN have installed wifi cameras in her room, or hacked her laptop.

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      Steve; None of that was in the story. He didn't touch her. He wasn't in the home. He wasn't a physical threat (until he hit the brother). Although I understand running after him and grabbing him.

      He sounds mentally ill. Running around naked is not a normal behavior.
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      • Profile picture of the author ThomM
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Did you guys watch the video? The guy has life threatening injuries, in unstable critical condition.

        He was a peeping tom. Although a strange thing to do....and not cool....

        Life threatening injuries? Also not cool.



        Steve; None of that was in the story. He didn't touch her. He wasn't in the home. He wasn't a physical threat (until he hit the brother). Although I understand running after him and grabbing him.

        He sounds mentally ill. Running around naked is not a normal behavior.
        I'm basically non-violent and a pacifist.
        But if I caught a guy naked outside my daughters bedroom window, he'd be lucky to be in unstable condition.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          I read a couple local news stories about the incident. Does seem to be a bit "overkill" as I think police action in this case would have been forthcoming.

          One problem is the perv doesn't have a record - the Dad does and that goes into the mix as well.

          The perv lived in the neighborhood so I think there were hard feelings anyway as it seems he has regular "sex parties" (a neighbor's description) at his house and isn't popular on the block.

          I find the naked aspect extremely disturbing. I doubt this is the first time he's done a little window viewing in the neighborhood.

          I had a peeping tom once at my house - and he stayed at the edge of the yard until the police came. He probably wanted to run away but my German Shepherd standing and growling over him discouraged that idea. I didn't beat him up but he did have a rather nasty bite on one leg....oh well.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

          I'm basically non-violent and a pacifist.
          But if I caught a guy naked outside my daughters bedroom window, he'd be lucky to be in unstable condition.
          Maybe 25 years ago, I caught a neighbor kid watching my wife through the bedroom window. How he missed seeing me is anyone's guess. I said "Show's over kid." and he ran off.

          If the video is accurate. The naked peeping tom is guilty of...well, whatever charge there is for being a peeping tom. It isn't rape or child molestation...

          I certainly wouldn't want the guy in my neighborhood, and I'd want him arrested....after all, my home isn't the only ones with windows...

          But I see some pretty bloodthirsty people on this forum.

          If they caught him in the home, watching the kid sleeping....that's a completely different story.

          But Man! Some of the responses I see here are scarier than the peeping tom would be.
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            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            But Man! Some of the responses I see here are scarier than the peeping tom would be.
            Not sure what I'd do if I found the guy outside of my daughter's window - but the fact that he had no clothes on puts him in a rather dangerous category of mental instability. And then he punched one of the other kids when confronted. Just the punch alone would have probably put him 6 feet under at my house. I'm not a violent person in the least - but you had better not even pretend to harm one of my kids.
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          • Profile picture of the author ThomM
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            Maybe 25 years ago, I caught a neighbor kid watching my wife through the bedroom window. How he missed seeing me is anyone's guess. I said "Show's over kid." and he ran off.

            If the video is accurate. The naked peeping tom is guilty of...well, whatever charge there is for being a peeping tom. It isn't rape or child molestation...

            I certainly wouldn't want the guy in my neighborhood, and I'd want him arrested....after all, my home isn't the only ones with windows...

            But I see some pretty bloodthirsty people on this forum.

            If they caught him in the home, watching the kid sleeping....that's a completely different story.

            But Man! Some of the responses I see here are scarier than the peeping tom would be.
            Big difference between catching someone eying your wife and someone peeping on your little girl.
            11 years ago I caught a 14 year old boy trying to watch my 14 year old daughter getting undressed in the bathroom, I almost put him through a wall. I would have succeed except he hit the wall where a stud was.
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

              Big difference between catching someone eying your wife and someone peeping on your little girl.
              11 years ago I caught a 14 year old boy trying to watch my 14 year old daughter getting undressed in the bathroom, I almost put him through a wall. I would have succeed except he hit the wall where a stud was.
              I understand. Like I said in my previous post, I don't have a daughter.
              Do you know how many 14 year old buys have watched a 14 year old girl through a window? I'm guessing that many kids have done something similar.

              It's a visceral reaction, I know. But beating someone to the brink of death? That's even more extreme, in my view.


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              I wouldn't be surprised if someone had an orgasm over this story.
              What an incredibly strange thing to say.
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                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                I understand. Like I said in my previous post, I don't have a daughter.
                Do you know how many 14 year old buys have watched a 14 year old girl through a window? I'm guessing that many kids have done something similar.

                It's a visceral reaction, I know. But beating someone to the brink of death? That's even more extreme, in my view.




                What an incredibly strange thing to say.
                Yes it is. I didn't realize what I did until I saw the kid sliding down the wall. If the kid was outside the house trying to look through a window my reaction could very well have been different.
                But if I found an adult male nude, looking in the window I'm sure I would loose it and I'm sure he would loose body parts.
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            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            Maybe 25 years ago, I caught a neighbor kid watching my wife through the bedroom window. How he missed seeing me is anyone's guess. I said "Show's over kid." and he ran off.

            If the video is accurate. The naked peeping tom is guilty of...well, whatever charge there is for being a peeping tom. It isn't rape or child molestation...

            I certainly wouldn't want the guy in my neighborhood, and I'd want him arrested....after all, my home isn't the only ones with windows...

            But I see some pretty bloodthirsty people on this forum.

            If they caught him in the home, watching the kid sleeping....that's a completely different story.

            But Man! Some of the responses I see here are scarier than the peeping tom would be.
            you think that scary..

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          • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

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            But Man! Some of the responses I see here are scarier than the peeping tom would be.
            That guy was naked and moaning oddly. Why would be moaning like that? Seems that he wasn't merely being a peeping Tom.
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            • Profile picture of the author Kay King
              Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
              You sort of lose that when you are naked on someone's else's property looking through the window at their young daughter. Sorry, but that's just the way it is.

              We can dissect it after - and I'm sure the father wishes he hadn't gone so far. But until you've been in that anger state with adrenaline flowing, you don't know what you would do. When it's your kid - all bets are off.
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

              That guy was naked and moaning oddly. Why would be moaning like that? Seems that he wasn't merely being a peeping Tom.
              No, he was masturbating. And as unpleasant as that is....it isn't attempted murder. I don't know what that charge is. Maybe indecent exposure?

              The 14 year old kid example? The kid looking at my wife? That's kid stuff.

              I'm guessing that half the men here have looked through a keyhole at one time or another.

              But naked? in public? looking at a kid? (Although I don't know if he was purposely choosing to look at her because she was a kid). That's a different kettle of fish. He sounds unbalanced.

              The word that keeps sticking in my head is "Undesirable". I'm not someone who goes on marches, or get's involved in local issues...but if he was in my neighborhood, whether it was my house or not, I'd try to get him removed.

              Most peeping toms don't escalate. But enough do, that it would be serious.

              But beat him? Or want to see him killed? No.
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              • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                No, he was masturbating. And as unpleasant as that is....it isn't attempted murder. I don't know what that charge is. Maybe indecent exposure?

                The 14 year old kid example? The kid looking at my wife? That's kid stuff.

                I'm guessing that half the men here have looked through a keyhole at one time or another.

                But naked? in public? looking at a kid? (Although I don't know if he was purposely choosing to look at her because she was a kid). That's a different kettle of fish. He sounds unbalanced.

                The word that keeps sticking in my head is "Undesirable". I'm not someone who goes on marches, or get's involved in local issues...but if he was in my neighborhood, whether it was my house or not, I'd try to get him removed.

                Most peeping toms don't escalate. But enough do, that it would be serious.

                But beat him? Or want to see him killed? No.
                I'm safe here. I never had occasion to look through a keyhole!

                Well, at 14, she was probably fairly developed. He may not have even known her age. But the law doesn't consider such things.

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          • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            If the video is accurate. The naked peeping tom is guilty of...well, whatever charge there is for being a peeping tom. It isn't rape or child molestation...

            I agree but given the opportunity I believe that he would have raped that child.


            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            But I see some pretty bloodthirsty people on this forum.


            As you said, you do not have a daughter so it's kind of hard for you to walk in our shoes.



            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            But Man! Some of the responses I see here are scarier than the peeping tom would be.
            I think that he deserved a beating, to the extent that he got maybe not since he didn't actually rape the girl but this father and brother may just be the pioneers that set a trend in motion that sends a message that we will not tolerate this kind of insane behavior.
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            • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
              Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

              I agree but given the opportunity I believe that he would have raped that child.






              As you said, you do not have a daughter so it's kind of hard for you to walk in our shoes.





              I think that he deserved a beating, to the extent that he got maybe not since he didn't actually rape the girl but this father and brother may just be the pioneers that set a trend in motion that sends a message that we will not tolerate this kind of insane behavior.
              Or, it could elicit strong warnings from cops that they will not tolerate this kind of vigilante justice and will arrest anyone who does this.

              By the way, you don't have to have a daughter to "get it". As I stated, I have a sister and a niece who went through worse than a peeping tom. I will say that I know if I had caught one of these assholes in the act, I probably would have reacted in the exact same way as this father did. But that would not have made it right or prevented me from being arrested either.
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              • Profile picture of the author garyv
                Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

                Or, it could elicit strong warnings from cops that they will not tolerate this kind of vigilante justice and will arrest anyone who does this.

                By the way, you don't have to have a daughter to "get it". As I stated, I have a sister and a niece who went through worse than a peeping tom. I will say that I know if I had caught one of these assholes in the act, I probably would have reacted in the exact same way as this father did. But that would not have made it right or prevented me from being arrested either.
                This is true - our jails are filled with good people that have sought vengeance.
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              • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
                Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

                But that would not have made it right or prevented me from being arrested either.
                You are correct, in the eyes of the law it is not right but I would accept any consequences for my actions when defending the purity of a child so young.
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                  Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

                  You are correct, in the eyes of the law it is not right but I would accept any consequences for my actions when defending the purity of a child so young.
                  I hear that.

                  Incidentally, it wasn't what that cop said to me and my brother that made us stop damaging that perverts tow truck. My mother explained that if we got caught and the pervert wanted to press charges, SHE would have been liable for damages since we were minors. We were living below the poverty line and she made it clear that she could NOT afford it
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Steve; None of that was in the story. He didn't touch her. He wasn't in the home. He wasn't a physical threat (until he hit the brother).
        How does anyone know? There isn't any way to really know. The family has a RIGHT to a reasonable expectation of privacy. That nude guy DENIED them that right.

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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      When the Perv hit the girl's brother, that is automatically a felony. In the United States you can perform a citizen's arrest on anyone that has commit a felony. If the guy is struggling and combative, then he may very well have been hurt. I seriously doubt that the father will receive any punishment.
      Well, I think voyeurism is ALSO, though THIS strays into child pornography! In the eyes of the law, SHE is a child, and HE is an adult!

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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    After the perp punched the brother and was pursued by the father, we don't know if he kicked or punched again, or just how difficult he was to take down.

    Also, this may have also been a build up of things as the perp lives nearby and had thrown advertised sex parties at his home and the neighbors had found used condoms laying around:

    What the Justice System Did to This Father After He Beat Up a Naked Peeping Tom Outside His Daughters’ Window Has Neighbors Fuming | Video | TheBlaze.com

    According to The Blaze story, the father does "wish he did not beat him so badly" and the father does have a criminal background including Domestic Violence and Child Abuse.

    I certainly understand becoming enraged and may have acted similarly. Sometimes you just react to a situation without really thinking.

    As this was not pre-meditated vigilante action, I do think he will not be charged or charged as light as possible.

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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    Because he was viewing a minor, he may face fourth degree felony charges instead of a misdemeanor: Section 30-9-20 - Voyeurism prohibited; penalties. - New Mexico Statutes

    Because he was naked, moaning and in public, I think it goes beyond voyeurism into a sex crime against a minor. Which would require he get on the sex offenders list and report his residences to the police, etc.

    There should also be charges for his hitting the brother.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    So I guess I can only hope that if this ever happens at my house that I get a lenient judge.
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      So I guess I can only hope that if this ever happens at my house that I get a lenient judge.
      Or understanding police officers.

      In my personal case, they told me what I did to the guy was the right thing. In the case with my daughter, they told me what I did wasn't very smart, but they congratulated me for it. I honestly didn't think, I just reacted, both times.

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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    Claude and Dennis are the voices of reason in this thread. I admit that I am not. Sober thinking is definitely what's best for law enforcement and fair justice. Sometimes someone can appear to be totally guilty yet turn out to be innocent, or suffering from mental illness or something. Vigilantism is not the best way to have a fair justice system.
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      Claude and Dennis and socialentry are the voices of reason in this thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Now if I were to find a naked man looking in MY window - I'd invite him in.....that would teach his sorry a**.....

    All kidding aside.

    I worked at a crisis center for a couple of years (rape crisis). Those kinds of guys rarely "back off". Whoever back in the posts said he'd probably have raped the kid sooner or later is correct. It is more than likely the crime would have escalated. He should not have chased the guy - he should have shot him right between the eyes. These guys, when jailed, sometimes admit that if they get out, they will do it all over again. It's a sickness that doesn't really heal - usually. I'm sure a few have, but most do not. That was one of the motivations to put sex criminals on a list so people would know who they are.

    I had a stalker when I was in college. He followed me home from campus once, and started walking past my house fairly frequently. Knowing that these guys get braver and braver, I took an old lamp cord and stripped the last couple inches of it and wrapped it around the door knob. One night this perv finally got brave enough to put his hand on my door knob - and I plugged the cord in. I pulled it back out real fast because I thought he'd stick to it and an electrocuted body on my front porch might be difficult to explain. Anyhow - it blew him right off the porch into the yard and he laid there and twitched, peed, and puked for awhile. Finally he got up and kinda shook like a wet dog and staggered off down the street. I never had to worry about the dude again.

    This is not a crime to take lightly. This man might have some legal hassles, but the odds are that he saved his daughter from something a lot worse than having someone peeping at her.
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  • Profile picture of the author Young Financier
    What father would not have beat the guy's ass if they had a chance to? This liberal system is getting more and more annoying to live in.
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    Terra,

    Usually I say it jokingly, but I am glad I am not a woman as this stuff does not happen to men often.

    I am truly sorry for what you and you daughter have gone though.

    My sister was randomly attacked in her home and almost strangled to death.
    I guess his MO was to kill first. Luckily, she happened to have an ex-college roommate
    staying there that night and the guy ran off. My sister did not have a good
    description, but probably the same guy was caught later.

    This stuff does have a ripple effect. Several years later, I was kicked out of the jury
    pool for a sexual assault case because I said I'd follow the judges instructions if we could not convict of the primary charge. (I was apparently a little to hang 'em first and then give him a fair trial I guess.)

    Again, I am very sorry.
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Thanks guys,

      I appreciate all of your apologies even though you're not the guilty ones.

      If all men were like you guys, no female would ever have to go through all that.

      It was a long time ago for both though and I'm pretty well over it and think I turned out okay despite it all, well except going off on people who I think don't get it.

      Oh, and my daughter is an amazing woman despite it all too.

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        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

        Thanks guys,

        I appreciate all of your apologies even though you're not the guilty ones.

        If all men were like you guys, no female would ever have to go through all that.

        It was a long time ago for both though and I'm pretty well over it and think I turned out okay despite it all, well except going off on people who I think don't get it.

        Oh, and my daughter is an amazing woman despite it all too.

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        I don't know how I miss that post but I am truly sorry for what had happened and I commend you for being as tough as you are!
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          Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

          I don't know how I miss that post but I am truly sorry for what had happened and I commend you for being as tough as you are!
          Thanks Joseph!

          I appreciate your kind words.

          I guess you learn to be tough when you need to be, when it's necessary...and being tough is much better than just falling down and being a glob of jelly, I mean where's the fun in that?

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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    The guy had been beaten.

    They are charging the father with aggravated assault!

    So a trespasser that is nude, disrupting your plants, and spying on your daughter(which could be considered a FELONY as it is akin to child porn), and hits your son, should not even be TOUCHED?

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    The guy had been beaten nearly do death. There's a reason we have police. Citizens are not allowed to be vigilantes and take the law in their own hands. He most likely would have been fine to simply make a citizen's arrest and restrain without assaulting the creep instead of putting him in the hospital in critical condition.

    I have little sympathy for the peeping tom in this case, but thought that it was interesting that the peeping tom has no police record and the vigilante father has a record for domestic violence and child abuse. I don't think dear old Dad is going to get a Father of the Year Award any time soon.
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    • Profile picture of the author garyv
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      the peeping tom has no police record
      He does now - I'm not sure if you can garner any sympathy for a guy that has just started his police record in such a way. Everyone w/ a record has a beginning, and this is his.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        He does now - I'm not sure if you can garner any sympathy for a guy that has just started his police record in such a way. Everyone w/ a record has a beginning, and this is his.
        Who said anything about sympathy? I specifically said I didn't have any sympathy for him, but I also said that I don't condone vigilantes and that it sounds like the father, who has a record for domestic violence and child abuse, is a man who has a penchant for violence. Everyone is making it sound as though this is a loving father protecting his young from a creep. Sounds like a violent man all around to me and I have no sympathy for him either.
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          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          Who said anything about sympathy? I specifically said I didn't have any sympathy for him, but I also said that I don't condone vigilantes and that it sounds like the father, who has a record for domestic violence and child abuse, is a man who has a penchant for violence. Everyone is making it sound as though this is a loving father protecting his young from a creep. Sounds like a violent man all around to me and I have no sympathy for him either.
          Previous record has no bearing in a case where you're protecting your kid. I have no record, but after thinking this one over for a while - if I would have found a naked man outside of my daughter's window I probably would have killed him. Peeping is not a violent crime - but the fact that you left your house naked is a sign that you're mentally capable of doing worse. I've seen too many news stories where young girls are taken and raped and many times murdered. I have no record, and I would have at least done the same thing he did.

          Plus from his own story he was so enraged that he doesn't even remember attacking the man - which will help him with a temporary insanity case, which is not hard to prove in a case like this where there's no evidence of premeditation on the part of the father. - If he has a jury of his peers, enough of them will go into a blind rage just listening to the story.

          While I too am not a fan of vigilantism, there are times when it occurs that the person dishing out justice should not be punished. If anything it should serve as a warning to others that might attempt to leave their house naked peeping into young girls' windows.
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          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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            Originally Posted by garyv View Post

            ...I have no record, and I would have at least done the same thing he did.

            Plus from his own story he was so enraged that he doesn't even remember attacking the man -...
            I wonder how enraged he felt when he was abusing his children and wife. The man is a violent criminal.

            I have 3 daughters and no, I wouldn't react the same way (chase him down and beat him nearly to death) or "kill" him, unless he came into the house. I would do whatever necessary to see him incarcerated for as long as possible.
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              Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

              I have 3 daughters and no, I wouldn't react the same way (chase him down and beat him nearly to death) or "kill" him, unless he came into the house. I would do whatever necessary to see him incarcerated for as long as possible.

              And that would be the right thing to do according to the law - no argument. Put him into a system that's known for making people like him worse. I'd give the guy some rehabilitation. Instant cure - take two lead pills - don't call me in the morning. Anyone that's willing to scar children for life should not be given leniency. - That includes the dad - Although I haven't seen any actual credible reports about his past yet.
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                Anyone that's willing to scar children for life should not be given leniency. - That includes the dad - Although I haven't seen any actual credible reports about his past yet.
                Every single news report on this mentions the Dad's history of domestic violence and child abuse. Every single one. Child abuse and domestic violence scars children for life. I'd probably be on his side if it weren't for that. He has no credibility with me due to his criminal history.
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                • Profile picture of the author garyv
                  Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                  Every single news report on this mentions the Dad's history of domestic violence and child abuse. Every single one. Child abuse and domestic violence scars children for life. I'd probably be on his side if it weren't for that. He has no credibility with me due to his criminal history.

                  Yes they mention it, but there's literally no reporting on it. They are all parroting each other. In this day and age, domestic violence and child abuse could be kicking your neighbor's dog and letting your child get a sun-burn. I want an actual report before I assume the guy's as deviant as you say he is.
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                  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                    Originally Posted by garyv View Post

                    Yes they mention it, but there's literally no reporting on it. They are all parroting each other. In this day and age, domestic violence and child abuse could be kicking your neighbor's dog and letting your child get a sun-burn. I want an actual report before I assume the guy's as deviant as you say he is.
                    Funny ... I've had many sunburns and my children a few here and there and neither my parents or I have ever been charged with child abuse and I've never known anyone arrested for domestic violence for kicking someone else's dog.

                    That is just minimizing domestic violence and child abuse, an attitude that allows to flourish, and there are far more victims of domestic violence and child abuse than there are victims of voyeurs.
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    All I know is I am sick and tired of the criminals being the only ones with any rights. They have free will and they SHOULD suffer the consequences of their actions just like anybody else - however that shakes out - whoops that the 'punishment' didn't fit the crime (like hell).

    In this case the consequences are being beat half to death. Bet he wasn't expecting that! He is obviously SICK and now he is REALLY SICK. and his SICKNESS is contagious (to his victims).

    Now the guy who beat him up will have his consequences as well - and you know they say 'what goes around comes around' - it may not be in a perfectly organized circle.

    It could be years in coming and come from a completely unrelated source - they may not even realize they deserve whatever they get.

    In this case it sounds like they both need to be off the streets to protect society.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    Here's just one... there are a ton more out there:

    Page 2: Mom Arrested for Allowing Children to Sunburn - ABC News

    There are many things that can bring on a child abuse charge that doesn't involve actually touching a child. I don't say that to minimize child abuse - it's absolutely the truth. Did you know you can become a sex offender by peeing behind a tree in a public park? - I'm just saying that we need to know what brought on those charges before we can assume anything. You're obviously bringing a history with your assumption that is not necessarily giving this guy a fair shake. I want to see a report - and so far my searches have barely even mentioned what you have here.

    In fact can you provide me w/ a link that talks about those charges? I know I saw them somewhere too, but now I'm not sure If I thought I saw it because of people's comments or if I actually read it in a report somewhere. Because now I can't find a report of it anywhere. I'd honestly like to research it.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      I'm just saying that we need to know what brought on those charges before we can assume anything. You're obviously bringing a history with your assumption that is not necessarily giving this guy a fair shake. I want to see a report - and so far my searches have barely even mentioned what you have here.

      In fact can you provide me w/ a link that talks about those charges? I know I saw them somewhere too, but now I'm not sure If I thought I saw it because of people's comments or if I actually read it in a report somewhere. Because now I can't find a report of it anywhere. I'd honestly like to research it.
      There are no links because the story is about him beating the crap out of the voyeur, not about his background. You want to give this guy a pass on domestic violence and child abuse, that's your prerogative. I don't give him a pass.

      You should have chosen a better sunburn story. It was overcharged and all felony charges dropped and reduced to a misdemeanor. But anyone who actually is so negligent that they allow their children to burn to 3rd degree burns, is guilty of child abuse. How horrific does the experience of this Hero's wife and children have to be before you take notice? Broken limbs, cigarette burns, starvation? I'm sorry ... it was serious enough to give this guy a criminal history of it. That's good enough for me for this story.
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      • Profile picture of the author garyv
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        it was serious enough to give this guy a criminal history of it. That's good enough for me for this story.
        I know it's good enough for you. But not me. I'm more cynical of today's journalists than that. I'm not about to judge a man for protecting his daughter based on a few words that weren't even properly reported on. - And I did finally find the original report that says it, it was a reporter from KRQE - and every other report on it quotes this reporter - they don't even do their own research. It's pathetic the way a news story is propagated lately.
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