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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

JJ has done a really great job with this series. I loved both movies but I
think this one was the best, just like Wrath of Khan was better than The
Motion Picture, a movie that probably should have never been made. Just
awful.

Couldn't agree more, Steven.

"The Wrath of Kahn" has always been my favorite.

JJ has done such an incredible job of re-creating the 'feel' of the original TV show.

And the suttle references are aimed directly at original Trekkies.

Fans that didn't come along until "Next Gen" will not pick up on them.

There was one line by McCoy that was a direct quote from the original series.
Do you know what it was?

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by lcombs

Couldn't agree more, Steven.

"The Wrath of Kahn" has always been my favorite.

JJ has done such an incredible job of re-creating the 'feel' of the original TV show.

And the suttle references are aimed directly at original Trekkies.

Fans that didn't come along until "Next Gen" will not pick up on them.

There was one line by McCoy that was a direct quote from the original series.
Do you know what it was?

At the time I saw the movie in the theater with my wife and daughter (they
both liked it) I picked up on it right away as well as all the other original
references (especially the scene where the roles of Kirk and Spock were
reversed) but my memory is so bad in my old age that I forget the McCoy
quote. I'd have to watch it again.

The actor who plays McCoy is a fanatic of the series and even studied the
part, which explains why he nailed it. In fact, he's the best of the 3 of them.
He could pass for Deforest Kelly's son. It's scary.

I had watched the original series so many times in reruns on channel 11 (I
did watch it when it was shown on channel 4 in prime time originally) that
I eventually knew all the dialogue of every episode by heart. But time and
a lack of current reruns have pretty much taken care of that. I don't even
think I could list every TOS episode anymore and that makes me kind of sad.

The highlights still stand out, like the final scene from "City On The Edge Of
Forever" and entire episodes like "The Trouble With Tribbles" and "The
Menagerie" but many are only vague memories now.

My favorite original series episodes aside from the ones above?

Space Seed
Mirror, Mirror
A Piece Of The Action (Funniest episode ever)
Assignment Earth
The Tholian Web

The Next Generation was better made, no question. But nobody captured
the chemistry of Kirk, Spock and McCoy.

Nobody.

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Don Schenk

11 years ago

I haven't see it yet, but I'll bet somewhere in there McCoy says, "He's dead, Jim."

Didn't McCoy say that in every episode after the expendable extra (actor) would be killed by some evil?

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11 years ago

There again, you're absolutely right about the actor playing McCoy.
Everybody nails their part but nothing like McCoy.
And yeah, he even looks like Deforest Kelly.

The line I'm referring to, ( I don't recall the specific episode), is "Shut up Spock. We're trying to save you!"

And, of course, they worked in the invariable, "Damn it Jim! I'm a doctor not a (fill in the blank)".

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tagiscom

11 years ago

Yep, pretty impressive film, especially the warp battle.

But.....

Some die hard trekkie fans weren't too happy about the role reversal part with Kirk and Spock.

I can't say to much, but the Wrath of Khan, main part with Spock and Kirk, etc is a big hint!

I was in two minds about it, on one part l thought clever, but on another l thought, might be considered a bit tacky, script wise.

But the scenes with the engine room were outstanding, totally believable, that it was a warp engine.

Shane

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

Yep, pretty impressive film, especially the warp battle.

But.....

Some die hard trekkie fans weren't too happy about the role reversal part with Kirk and Spock.

I can't say to much, but the Wrath of Khan, main part with Spock and Kirk, etc is a big hint!

I was in two minds about it, on one part l thought clever, but on another l thought, might be considered a bit tacky, script wise.

But the scenes with the engine room were outstanding, totally believable, that it was a warp engine.

Shane

HMMMMM....

Can't imagine why.

My best bud, George, (AKA The Cool Ghoul), is as big a Trekkie as you'll meet and he thought the twist was ok.
I'm right behind him and agree.

The (genius of Abrams), that you need to keep in mind is the new time line created in the previous movie.

You can't simply do a remake of the old story-line.
Things are the same. But, different.
It allows for the same characters, in the same time, to experience the things in a different context.

They, (the producers), can go on and on using familiar characters in familiar scenarios with twists.

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Paul Myers 11 years ago

That kind of "fanboy" reference is what got me addicted to my most recent guilty pleasure: Smallville. Not the sort of thing I usually go for, but it's just too much fun. To the point where I'm probably just going to buy the whole series on DVD.

The last series I bought all of was the schlock masterpiece, "Andromeda." And that was only 110 episodes.

The Next Generation was better made, no question. But nobody captured the chemistry of Kirk, Spock and McCoy.

True. I suspect that was partly due to the fact that the casts in later series were so much broader in size and scope.

Still, that doesn't take away from the cool factor.

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11 years ago

From "The Cool Ghoul" Show:

Wrath Of Ricardo Part 1 - YouTube

Wrath Of Ricardo Part 2 - YouTube

Wrath Of Ricardo Part 3 - YouTube

George had his Federation uniform tailor-made.

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laurencewins

11 years ago

I loved the latest Trekkie movie a lot. There were so many references to prior movies and content that if you have that knowledge, the movie is all the better for it.
A huge thumbs up from me.

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Treeofl1

11 years ago

I think it's alright if you look at it as a separate film. If you start comparing it to the original series, you'll be disappointed.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Treeofl1

I think it's alright if you look at it as a separate film. If you start comparing it to the original series, you'll be disappointed.

I disagree.

I think comparison to the original series makes it that much more compelling.
That's precisely why Abrams inserted the references to the series.
I had to grin when McCoy said: "Shut up Spock! We're trying to rescue you!"
And, of course, Damn it, Jim! I'm a doctor. Not a__________."

And throwing in a Tribble just for the hell of it. :p

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by lcombs

I disagree.

I think comparison to the original series makes it that much more compelling.
That's precisely why Abrams inserted the references to the series.
I had to grin when McCoy said: "Shut up Spock! We're trying to rescue you!"
And, of course, Damn it, Jim! I'm a doctor. Not a__________."

And throwing in a Tribble just for the hell of it. :p

100% dead on the money. JJ paid great homage to the original series. I think
the problem people have with the new movies simply comes down to 3 things

William Shatner
Leonard Nimoy
Deforest Kelly

Nothing without those 3 people in it called "Star Trek" is going to be good
enough. It's narrow-minded thinking.

The original series was filmed on a shoestring budget with cheesy effects
and the grand prize award winner for overacting (William Shatner). But it
worked because the chemistry between those three was like nothing else
ever seen before or after in any series. Even the new movies don't have
that kind of chemistry. But they don't have to. They have something else. A
link to the past and a well made product.

You can't ask for more than that because you can never have Shatner,
Nimoy and Kelly ever again.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

100% dead on the money. JJ paid great homage to the original series. I think
the problem people have with the new movies simply comes down to 3 things

William Shatner
Leonard Nimoy
Deforest Kelly

Nothing without those 3 people in it called "Star Trek" is going to be good
enough. It's narrow-minded thinking.

The original series was filmed on a shoestring budget with cheesy effects
and the grand prize award winner for overacting (William Shatner). But it
worked because the chemistry between those three was like nothing else
ever seen before or after in any series. Even the new movies don't have
that kind of chemistry. But they don't have to. They have something else. A
link to the past and a well made product.

You can't ask for more than that because you can never have Shatner,
Nimoy and Kelly ever again.

I think the chemistry will grow with time.

A couple of changes I don't like:
The relationship between Uhura and Spock.
Totally unnecessary and out of character.
And, the expanded emotions of Spock.
They need to dial Spock down closer to the original.

One of the funniest lines ever in the series:

The Enterprise is cruising along and suddenly, unexpectedly, gets jolted by something.
Everybody gets tossed around.
Kirk says, "Spock. What happened?"
Spock: "My head seems to have impacted with the corner of the console."

An interesting side note about the original series.

They tried to use actual, automatic sliding doors.
But, they were too slow.
So, they simply used 2 guys to slide them open and shut.

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bluecoyotemedia

11 years ago

Star trek the original series are classics I have them all on dvd..

great writing

one of the greatest policies is the federation prime directives which we should do as a country is never break the prime directive.. doe anyone know what the prime directive is???

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Originally Posted by bluecoyotemedia

Star trek the original series are classics I have them all on dvd..

great writing

one of the greatest policies is the federation prime directives which we should do as a country is never break the prime directive.. doe anyone know what the prime directive is???

Basically, The Prime Directive is: Never interfere with or change the natural cultural evolution of any contacts encountered.

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David Maschke

11 years ago

The cool part of the new movie series is it all takes place in a different time line. IMHO they worked to hard on the similarities, it's the differences that make it really interesting. Otherwise, it's all just a remake of past scripts.

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11 years ago

Speaking of The Prime Directive, I thought the
very suttle reference to "Ancient Aliens" at the beginning of the movie was ingenius!

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11 years ago

In Star Trek Six. My favorite line.

Scotty "Then we're dead!"

Spock "I've been dead before". Brilliant writing, and perfect dead pan delivery.

I could have sworn, in the trailers for the second new Star Trek movie, in a countdown, I heard William Shatner say the "One".

In the original Treks.
To this day, I remember the Shatner speeches, with rising music in the background. At the time, I thought they were great. But now, when I see them, I have to smile.

Overacting, scene stealing. I love it.

The new Treks.
And Benedict Cumberbatch was perfect casting as Kahn. What a great villain he made.

Is it me, or does Christopher Pine, in some scenes, look like a dead ringer for Shatner? I noticed it in a few scenes in the first Star Trek (the new ones)

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Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

In Star Trek Six. My favorite line.

Scotty "Then we're dead!"

Spock "I've been dead before". Brilliant writing, and perfect dead pan delivery.

I could have sworn, in the trailers for the second new Star Trek movie, in a countdown, I heard William Shatner say the "One".

In the original Treks.
To this day, I remember the Shatner speeches, with rising music in the background. At the time, I thought they were great. But now, when I see them, I have to smile.

Overacting, scene stealing. I love it.

The new Treks.
And Benedict Cumberbatch was perfect casting as Kahn. What a great villain he made.

Is it me, or does Christopher Pine, in some scenes, look like a dead ringer for Shatner? I noticed it in a few scenes in the first Star Trek (the new ones)

In real life, Shatner is real ASS.

After Nimoy directed "The Voyage Home", (correct me if I have the wrong movie.), Shatner refused to do "The Final Frontier" unless he was allowed to direct it.

When the did the first movie in this series, Shatner refused to help Chris Pine prepare for his role as Kirk.
(But, I will say, Pine did his homework. I thought his Kirk eating an apple while taking the kobiyashimaru was brilliant. A direct reference to Kirk eating an apple after having been stranded deep in the planet where Project Genesis was tested.)

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by lcombs

In real life, Shatner is real ASS.

After Nimoy directed "The Voyage Home", (correct me if I have the wrong movie.), Shatner refused to do "The Final Frontier" unless he was allowed to direct it.

When the did the first movie in this series, Shatner refused to help Chris Pine prepare for his role as Kirk.
(But, I will say, Pine did his homework. I thought his Kirk eating an apple while taking the kobiyashimaru was brilliant. A direct reference to Kirk eating an apple after having been stranded deep in the planet where Project Genesis was tested.)

I read the same thing. Star Trek 5 was the weakest of the litter, in my opinion. (of the original Star Trek movies).

I love The Next Generation. But for some reason, The Next Generation movies weren't that great to me.

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Joe Mobley 11 years ago

I'm probably going with the flow for the most part. Into Darkness has become my favorite Star Trek film.

Until the new movie, my favorite ST movie was Galaxy Quest. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

I read the same thing. Star Trek 5 was the weakest of the litter, in my opinion. (of the original Star Trek movies).

I love The Next Generation. But for some reason, The Next Generation movies weren't that great to me.

Absolutely 5 was the worst.

The Next Gen, series or movies, was good but it just couldn't
capture the 'feel' of the original.
It didn't draw you in like the original.

Steven can probably explain better than I can.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by lcombs

Absolutely 5 was the worst.

The Next Gen, series or movies, was good but it just couldn't
capture the 'feel' of the original.
It didn't draw you in like the original.

Steven can probably explain better than I can.

Next Generation needed time to grow on you. After a while, I came to love it.
The keys to that shows success were Patrick Stewart and Brent Spiner. Data
could have been a cheap clone of Spock but instead he turned out to be the
most endearing character on the show.

The supporting cast, otherwise, was okay. But you just didn't love them the way
you loved Uhura, Chekov, Sulu and Scotty.

I sometimes wonder if part of TOS charm was the fact that it was made so
cheaply. TNG was so much more involved and high tech. The stories were
really great. TOS had a handful of good episodes with maybe a few being
great. TNG had a vast number of incredible stories.

Some of the highlights.

Q Who
Deja Q
Yesterday's Enterprise
The Best Of Both Worlds
Qpid
Redemption
Unification
Cause And Effect (one of the all time greatest episodes of all trek series)
I Borg
True Q
Chain Of Command
Ship In A Bottle
Tapestry
Timescape
Descent
All Good Things (The single most greatest two parter in trek history)

And then there were a lot of "good" episodes.

There was a reason the show was on for 7 seasons. There is no argument
that the overall quality of the production was 100 times superior to TOS.
But in fairness, being made over 20 years later, you would hope the production
would be better.

There were too many flat characters in TNG such as Beverly and Wesley
Crusher. Troi was okay but also missing something. Worf was amusing at
times but was also missing the chemistry. Riker was handsome and all and
was great with Picard, but didn't really hit it off with anyone other than Data.

As it was said on Big Bang, Kirk over Picard but TNG over TOS.

That can be expanded to Kirk, Spock and McCoy over Picard, Riker and Data
but TNG over TOS.

But you also have to realize that TOS was more camp. It was subtle camp
(not like Batman that was just all out funny) but it was still camp. Watch
"Piece Of The Action" or "Spock's Brain" or "I Mudd" and you'll see that the
show didn't always take itself so seriously. Spock and McCoy were a hoot
together. TNG didn't have that kind of humor. But it had something that TOS
didn't have...a tight dramatic script and production.

Personally, I loved both shows for different reasons. But if you put me up
against a wall and made me pick, it would have to be TOS.

Why? Because with all it's humor and overacting, it is the only series that
made me cry. Granted, it came long after during Wrath Of Khan, but that was
because we loved these characters so much.

When Data died in the movie, I cried too. But not like when Spock died. That's
how I knew that with all it's advanced technology, better writing and better
acting, TNG just wasn't Star Trek

And the original Star Trek still had the most memorable lines, something TNG
never came close to. In fact, few people can even remember lines from TNG
but the original?

We were given so many classics like:

"The needs of the many..."
"I'm a doctor not a..."
"He's dead Jim..."
"Shot up Spock we're rescuing you..."

Do that with TNG. I dare you, and without looking them up.

In short, TNG was a very well polished diamond that had nothing special about
it while TOS was a rough edged rock that was special because of all its flaws.

Today, the show wouldn't have lasted 5 episodes. But back then, it was
given a chance because of a loyal fan base, as small as it was.

Watch Voyager sometime. Janeway made that show what it was. The rest of
the cast was replaceable.

Deep Space Nine? Nobody really stood out though Sisko, Dax and Kira were
okay. Odo wasn't bad either. But that show was really missing something.
And yet, even that show was on 7 seasons while Voyager was also on for 7.

These were all well made shows. Their problem was chemistry. As far as TNG
was from TOS in the chemistry department, that's how far these other shows
were from TNG.

It has been a very long time since I have watched any of the Star Trek shows
probably because they represent a time in my life that I can't go back to and
want to remember them the way I did. I think if I watched TOS today,
especially the ones with Shatners over the top acting, I'd probably break
out in hysterics. Maybe that's why I liked "The Tholian Web" so much. If
you know your episodes you can probably figure out why.

My favorite Star Treks in order?

TOS (never really ended which hurt it)
TNG (best finale of all)
Voyager (great finale)
Enterprise (was really pretty good and had a great finale)
DS9 (almost totally forgettable)

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Next Generation needed time to grow on you. After a while, I came to love it.
The keys to that shows success were Patrick Stewart and Brent Spiner. Data
could have been a cheap clone of Spock but instead he turned out to be the
most endearing character on the show.

Steven; I would try to add something, but it would mar the beauty of your post.

I bow to your superior Trekiness.

And what saps we are. I can't watch a chick flick...but....
I cried when Spock died, when Data died, and especially when David Tennant's Doctor Who died.

I have seen these movies several times. Those death scenes still grab me.

What a beautiful world Roddenberry created.

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Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Next Generation needed time to grow on you. After a while, I came to love it.
The keys to that shows success were Patrick Stewart and Brent Spiner. Data
could have been a cheap clone of Spock but instead he turned out to be the
most endearing character on the show.

The supporting cast, otherwise, was okay. But you just didn't love them the way
you loved Uhura, Chekov, Sulu and Scotty.

I sometimes wonder if part of TOS charm was the fact that it was made so
cheaply. TNG was so much more involved and high tech. The stories were
really great. TOS had a handful of good episodes with maybe a few being
great. TNG had a vast number of incredible stories.

Some of the highlights.

Q Who
Deja Q
Yesterday's Enterprise
The Best Of Both Worlds
Qpid
Redemption
Unification
Cause And Effect (one of the all time greatest episodes of all trek series)
I Borg
True Q
Chain Of Command
Ship In A Bottle
Tapestry
Timescape
Descent
All Good Things (The single most greatest two parter in trek history)

And then there were a lot of "good" episodes.

There was a reason the show was on for 7 seasons. There is no argument
that the overall quality of the production was 100 times superior to TOS.
But in fairness, being made over 20 years later, you would hope the production
would be better.

There were too many flat characters in TNG such as Beverly and Wesley
Crusher. Troi was okay but also missing something. Worf was amusing at
times but was also missing the chemistry. Riker was handsome and all and
was great with Picard, but didn't really hit it off with anyone other than Data.

As it was said on Big Bang, Kirk over Picard but TNG over TOS.

That can be expanded to Kirk, Spock and McCoy over Picard, Riker and Data
but TNG over TOS.

But you also have to realize that TOS was more camp. It was subtle camp
(not like Batman that was just all out funny) but it was still camp. Watch
"Piece Of The Action" or "Spock's Brain" or "I Mudd" and you'll see that the
show didn't always take itself so seriously. Spock and McCoy were a hoot
together. TNG didn't have that kind of humor. But it had something that TOS
didn't have...a tight dramatic script and production.

Personally, I loved both shows for different reasons. But if you put me up
against a wall and made me pick, it would have to be TOS.

Why? Because with all it's humor and overacting, it is the only series that
made me cry. Granted, it came long after during Wrath Of Khan, but that was
because we loved these characters so much.

When Data died in the movie, I cried too. But not like when Spock died. That's
how I knew that with all it's advanced technology, better writing and better
acting, TNG just wasn't Star Trek

And the original Star Trek still had the most memorable lines, something TNG
never came close to. In fact, few people can even remember lines from TNG
but the original?

We were given so many classics like:

"The needs of the many..."
"I'm a doctor not a..."
"He's dead Jim..."
"Shot up Spock we're rescuing you..."

Do that with TNG. I dare you, and without looking them up.

In short, TNG was a very well polished diamond that had nothing special about
it while TOS was a rough edged rock that was special because of all its flaws.

Today, the show wouldn't have lasted 5 episodes. But back then, it was
given a chance because of a loyal fan base, as small as it was.

Watch Voyager sometime. Janeway made that show what it was. The rest of
the cast was replaceable.

Deep Space Nine? Nobody really stood out though Sisko, Dax and Kira were
okay. Odo wasn't bad either. But that show was really missing something.
And yet, even that show was on 7 seasons while Voyager was also on for 7.

These were all well made shows. Their problem was chemistry. As far as TNG
was from TOS in the chemistry department, that's how far these other shows
were from TNG.

It has been a very long time since I have watched any of the Star Trek shows
probably because they represent a time in my life that I can't go back to and
want to remember them the way I did. I think if I watched TOS today,
especially the ones with Shatners over the top acting, I'd probably break
out in hysterics. Maybe that's why I liked "The Tholian Web" so much. If
you know your episodes you can probably figure out why.

My favorite Star Treks in order?

TOS (never really ended which hurt it)
TNG (best finale of all)
Voyager (great finale)
Enterprise (was really pretty good and had a great finale)
DS9 (almost totally forgettable)

TOS was actually canceled after the 2nd season.
But the network received so many letters, (many of which came from me and George), that they opted for a 3rd season.

I suspect they would be stunned at what it has become.

When Roddenberry wrote the first movie, Star Trek: The Motion Picture,
his original script was refused.
He wanted it to be about man's search for God.

When they refused that, he simply used the TOS episode with V ger to tell the story from an acceptable perspective.

As for the spin-offs, TNG was good but, with the exception of Data and Guinan, I had no feelings for the characters.
Although I did enjoy Riker's affinity for the Trombone and Jazz.

My favorite of all the spin-offs was Enterprise.
I believe it rivaled TOS.
One of the problems they faced was having cool, futuristic gadgets and tools
that were cooler than what we have now but weren't beyond TOS.

I thought Scot Bakula as Archer was great. And having his Beagle, Porthos, on the ship gave it a more human, less tech feel.

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Originally Posted by lcombs

TOS was actually canceled after the 2nd season.
But the network received so many letters, (many of which came from me and George), that they opted for a 3rd season.

I suspect they would be stunned at what it has become.

When Roddenberry wrote the first movie, Star Trek: The Motion Picture,
his original script was refused.
He wanted it to be about man's search for God.

When they refused that, he simply used the TOS episode with V ger to tell the story from an acceptable perspective.

As for the spin-offs, TNG was good but, with the exception of Data and Guinan, I had no feelings for the characters.
Although I did enjoy Riker's affinity for the Trombone and Jazz.

My favorite of all the spin-offs was Enterprise.
I believe it rivaled TOS.
One of the problems they faced was having cool, futuristic gadgets and tools
that were cooler than what we have now but weren't beyond TOS.

I thought Scot Bakula as Archer was great. And having his Beagle, Porthos, on the ship gave it a more human, less tech feel.

I really enjoyed Enterprise. When Trip died I was really upset. There was
something lovable about the characters. And yes, Archer was a surprise for
me. I didn't think he'd be as good as he was.

But the problem with Enterprise was that it was before TOS in the time line
but had more and better stuff?

That's why you can't go back. Star Trek today would have to be so over the
top (as a series) that it wouldn't work. The movies work because they're
tapping into nostalgia. And in short doses, that's fine. But this cast, in a TV
series, wouldn't last more than a season or two tops. It would get old very
fast.

As long as JJ can keep giving us quality material like this every 2 or 3 years,
it's fine. But Star Trek as a commodity has outlived its weekly visit into our
homes.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

As long as JJ can keep giving us quality material like this every 2 or 3 years, it's fine. But Star Trek as a commodity has outlived its weekly visit into our homes.

It is my understanding that JJ will not be doing any more Trek since he has moved on to Star Wars.

And I, for one, miss the weekly visit of a Star Trek series. However, I think the regime that produced all of the various series from TNG to Enterprise was getting stale. We got new blood with JJ Abrams, and I think a new series with that energy and a new creative vision would be embraced.

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Originally Posted by Jack Gordon

It is my understanding that JJ will not be doing any more Trek since he has moved on to Star Wars.

And I, for one, miss the weekly visit of a Star Trek series. However, I think the regime that produced all of the various series from TNG to Enterprise was getting stale. We got new blood with JJ Abrams, and I think a new series with that energy and a new creative vision would be embraced.

Damn shame.

But, it will be interesting to see what he does with Star Wars.

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Michael Mayo

11 years ago

Rented it to watch Friday night only to get it home and find that the disk was unreadable by all by players. Re-rented it tonight(using a free promo code given to me)so I'm about to try again. I'll chime in again after i'm finished.

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11 years ago

the guy that played Kirk is superb. Like a young Shatner.

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11 years ago

sure that's not the U.N. motto?

Basically, The Prime Directive is: Never interfere with or change the natural cultural evolution of any contacts encountered.

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11 years ago

remind me.

TNG (best finale of all)

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11 years ago

I watched Into Darkness a couple of days ago, too! I liked the first in the series, Star Trek 2009, better, but Into Darkness DID NOT DISAPPOINT! LOL (I was worried that it might.)

As others have mentioned, I think it is awesome how tributes to the original series are being incorporated into the renewed franchise. I was always a fan of the Original Series and some of the original movies, (we watched The Wrath of Khan" last night), but I agree with Steven W. that Star Trek, the Motion Picture should not have been made! Or, at least, about two thirds of that long, tedious movie could have been cut out.

On the other hand, when Star Trek 2009 came out, I was an INSTANT fan of the "new" crew. Couldn't wait for the sequel ... and now I can't wait for the third installment.

As to the differences between TOS Wrath of Khan and Into Darkness (e.g. Kirk and Spock's role reversal), I think it was masterful planning to introduce the "alternate time line" concept, as they did in Trek 2009. That means the new movies do NOT have to stay true to the original story lines and they can draw on any of the original ideas they want to and twist them any way they need to: makes for some very exciting story potentials.

I have watched Star Trek 2009 (and read the novel) numerous times, and I will watch Into Darkness with the same fervor!

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11 years ago

One of the main reasons that I was interested in this move was the actor Benedict Cumberbatch. If you like the new(er) Sherlock series you are already familiar with him.

It was good to see him in another role.

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Originally Posted by Joe Mobley

One of the main reasons that I was interested in this move was the actor Benedict Cumberbatch. If you like the new(er) Sherlock series you are already familiar with him.

It was good to see him in another role.

Joe Mobley

I agree, a phenomenal actor and a great villain. Huge Sherlock Holmes fan. Did you know he and I share the same birthday? Do you know what it is?

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Something that hasn't been mentioned yet is the return to the original theme music.

Another ingenious move by Abrams.

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Roddenberry's wife, Majel Barrett, played several roles in TOS and, one of the spin-offs.

Who/what were they?

And, Roddenberry had a serious affair with one of the cast members.
Which one?

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Originally Posted by lcombs

Roddenberry's wife, Majel Barrett, played several roles in TOS and, one of the spin-offs.

Who/what were they?

And, Roddenberry had a serious affair with one of the cast members.
Which one?

I know..I know! (Raising hand high into the air!)

Majel Barrett was nurse Chapel (maybe misspelled), the computer voice, and Deanna Troy's mother.

She also played the second in command in the original pilot with Jeffrey Hunter as Captain Pike.
I almost forgot about that. In the same episode, she played a green sexy dancing alien, in Pike's induced hallucination.

Roddenberry had an affair with Sulu...
Just kidding. Wasn't it Uhura? Nichelle Nichols. I read that he also had an affair with one of the other female cast members. It was Majel Barrett, when Roddenberry was married to his first wife...I think...

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Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

I know..I know! (Raising hand high into the air!)

Majel Barrett was nurse Chapel (maybe misspelled), the computer voice, and Deanna Troy's mother.

She also played the second in command in the original pilot with Jeffrey Hunter as Captain Pike.
I almost forgot about that. In the same episode, she played a green sexy dancing alien, in Pike's induced hallucination.

Roddenberry had an affair with Sulu...
Just kidding. Wasn't it Uhura? Nichelle Nichols. I read that he also had an affair with one of the other female cast members. It was Majel Barrett, when Roddenberry was married to his first wife...I think...

Hate to burst your bubble but the sexy green dancing alien was Susan Oliver
who played Vina. The only part she played in the Cage was number 1.

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Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Hate to burst your bubble but the sexy green dancing alien was Susan Oliver
who played Vina. The only part she played in the Cage was number 1.

Damn you Wagenheim! Your Kung Fu is strong.
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11 years ago

As another trekkie and sci-fi fan, the original will always be the best.

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Steven Wagenheim 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mikaedi88

As another trekkie and sci-fi fan, the original will always be the best.

In terms of production quality, it was far from the best. It was the worst. In
terms of heart and a chemistry that was arguably never duplicated by any other
show in the history of TV, yes, it was the best. Kirk, Spock and McCoy have
become such a huge part of pop culture that the number of spoofs and references
that have come since measure in the hundreds if not thousands.

And like I said before, maybe the low techieness of the production added to its
overall charm. But make no mistake about it. Even DS9 blows TOS away as far
as production quality and that show was close to unwatchable at times.

And let's be honest. William Shatner's overacting bordered on the hysterical
at times.

Again, it probably just added to its charm which is why there can never be
another one like it.

Nobody, and I mean NOBODY can ever act that badly ever again.
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11 years ago

I have a question for the real star trek fans

1.) I was always a original series fan and never got into the next generation. but i recently watched a few older next generation movies and they were pretty good.

what is the timeline of these guys compared to the original are they in the future ??? or before???

reason i ask because I also watched the new start trek movies with pines as kirk and the technology seems to be more advanced than the next gen series

2.) also the borg are never mentioned in the start trek series.. anyone know why???

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Jack Gordon

11 years ago

I believe there is something like 125 years between TOS and TNG. The chronology goes...

Enterprise
TOS
TNG
DS9
Voyager

The technology question can best be understood as the filmmakers taking some creative liberties.

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Obviously, Kirk, Spock, and McCoy were the 3 main characters.
But, I believe Scotty needs to be included as well.

"I'm givin' ya' all she's got, Captain!

And, one of my favorite lines from TOS:
It was the episode where Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Scotty, and Chekov are
set as the Clantons at the OK corral.
Spock mixes up an anesthetic too knock them all out so they won't have to fight the Earps, and Doc Holiday.
Just before they test it, Scotty says, "To kill the pain." and takes a shot of whiskey.
Spock says, "But this is painless.". to which Scotty says, "Y'a should've told me sooner, Mr. Spock. Fire away."

Getting back to the movie;
I liked the way they worked Dr. Marcus in.
I wonder where it will lead in up-coming movies.

And, although Christine Chapel was mentioned, someone who was totally forgotten in
EVERY movie is Yeoman Rand.

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Originally Posted by lcombs

And, although Christine Chapel was mentioned, someone who was totally forgotten in
EVERY movie is Yeoman Rand.

Sorry, she was in quite a few of the movies. And she even appeared on Voyager.

Definitely not forgotten.
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  Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim
  
  Sorry, she was in quite a few of the movies. And she even appeared on Voyager.
  
  Definitely not forgotten.
  
  I stand corrected.
  
  I've seen all of the movies several times.
  Apparently it is I who forgot her.
  
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