What do you think of freemasonry

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    My father is handing my Great Great Grandfather's free mason sword down to my nephew. It's been in the family forever - how many of those who held it are/were also free masons?

    I don't think either way about Free Masons.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      My father is handing my Great Great Grandfather's free mason sword down to my nephew. It's been in the family forever - how many of those who held it are/were also free masons?

      I don't think either way about Free Masons.
      Never heard of a freemasonry sword before. What rite/body did that come from??
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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

        Never heard of a freemasonry sword before. What rite/body did that come from??
        No clue. I can't read the inscription on it either. Not sure if everyone has one or if it's given for some honor or rank. I know nothing about it other than who first owned it and that it's passed down from generations in our family. Not sure if the recipients are also free masons. Like I said - I never really thought much either way about it. It's just not an important detail in my world. I have known many free masons, and they just don't scare me. It's no different than my dad being in the Lion's club as far as I'm concerned.
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        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
          If I remember correctly from a book I read about the Knights Templar, I can't remember the name of it now though, members of the Masonic fraternity wore ceremonial society swords during the late 19th and early 20th centuries. The swords became known as Knights Templar swords, named for the historic connection between Masons and the medieval Knights Templar.

          I think they are basically ceremonial.

          I think that's cool, by the way, Sal!

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        • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

          No clue. I can't read the inscription on it either. Not sure if everyone has one or if it's given for some honor or rank. I know nothing about it other than who first owned it and that it's passed down from generations in our family. Not sure if the recipients are also free masons. Like I said - I never really thought much either way about it. It's just not an important detail in my world. I have known many free masons, and they just don't scare me. It's no different than my dad being in the Lion's club as far as I'm concerned.
          After a little thinking at the same time TerraK was posting, it's probably from the Knights Templar, a higher-up body of Freemasonry. Masons can stick with their "blue" lodge, or join other rites and bodies. They have interesting names like the Grotto and Cryptic Rite.

          I also forgot...the guards at the door of the lodge have swords, to stop intruders when in session.

          No grand conspiracy...human beings cannot cooperate long enough for there to be one.

          It would be interesting if you could post a picture of the inscription area.
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      I don't think about freemasonry at all.

      The only things I know about it are that 16 presidents were Freemasons, that Freemasons use symbols and that some people connect Freemasons with the Illuminati, Zionists and Satan.

      That's all I know and all I care to know.

      Why do you ask?

      Terra
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    Freemasonry for DummiesFreemasonry for Dummies is a perfectly good book on the subject. (NOT an affiliate link, of course.)

    It is the first of many rites/orders/appendant bodies and has a long history.

    We just had a Friday the 13th. Want to know why Friday the 13th is supposedly unlucky? It's a Freemasony reason: that's the day in 1307 (Friday, October 13th, 1307 to be exact) the Pope and the King of France went after the very valuable holdings of the Knights Templar...a Masonic body. The KTs were a sort of international banking institution at the time, lending and owning a lot of cash and property. The Pope & French King wanted all of that, and the easiest way of getting it was to defame the group.
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  • Profile picture of the author lcombs
    The Order of (Free)Masons was actually begun by the ancient Egyption masons who designed the Pyramids and many other of the ancient structures.
    They were created to protect the secret methods of design used in creating their buildings.
    Geometric, mathematic formulas, etc.

    The Masonic symbol is a carpenters square and a compass.

    They are in no way, shape, or form associated with Satan or any other 'evil' organization.

    They are, however, incredibly influential in world politics.
    The Knights Templar is a Masonic order and were, and are in search of of the Holy Grail, The Arch of The Covenant, and many other Christian artifacts.

    Don't ask me how I know this.
    If I told you. I'd have to kill you.
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by lcombs View Post

      The Order of (Free)Masons was actually begun by the ancient Egyption masons who designed the Pyramids and many other of the ancient structures.
      They were created to protect the secret methods of design used in creating their buildings.
      Geometric, mathematic formulas, etc.

      The Masonic symbol is a carpenters square and a compass.

      They are in no way, shape, or form associated with Satan or any other 'evil' organization.

      They are, however, incredibly influential in world politics.
      The Knights Templar is a Masonic order and were, and are in search of of the Holy Grail, The Arch of The Covenant, and many other Christian artifacts.

      Don't ask me how I know this.
      If I told you. I'd have to kill you.
      I didn't say that I believed they were related to Satan, lol!

      I can't remember where I read it, but believe it was loosely based on when Jesus said to the high priest: "I spoke openly to the world; and in secret I have said nothing" in The Book of John Chapter 18 verse 20

      Apparently zealots carry that into all "secret societies" are therefore wicked and are of Satan. :rolleyes:

      They said it, not me.

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    • Profile picture of the author Mikaedi88
      Originally Posted by lcombs View Post

      The Order of (Free)Masons was actually begun by the ancient Egyption masons who designed the Pyramids and many other of the ancient structures.
      They were created to protect the secret methods of design used in creating their buildings.
      Geometric, mathematic formulas, etc.

      The Masonic symbol is a carpenters square and a compass.

      They are in no way, shape, or form associated with Satan or any other 'evil' organization.

      They are, however, incredibly influential in world politics.
      The Knights Templar is a Masonic order and were, and are in search of of the Holy Grail, The Arch of The Covenant, and many other Christian artifacts.

      Don't ask me how I know this.
      If I told you. I'd have to kill you.
      @Icombs,you are incorrect with the info in your post about it not being an evil organisation, the intentions and aims of Freemasonry is hidden from the lower degrees, it's not till you reach the 33degree that know that.

      It is a religious organisation, and that quoting one of their 33degree members Albert Pike."Lucifer/Satan is God"
      Everything else you mentioned in your post is correct.

      I recall an experience I had years ago when my older kids were little, I was helping out the kids day-care centre where one of my kids were going to..the people running it was renting part of a Free mason hall, half was blocked off by heavy sliding doors..
      I was asked to help out one morning when with the kids before the staff had arrived..I agreed.
      At one stage during a queiter moment I went through the sliding doors to the mason meeting chambers having heard they had a hang-mans noose, hanging in the attac...being nosy at the time, I pulled the stairs down to have a look, I was shocked seeing the hang-mans noose..

      I understand they use the noose for their ceremonies, that to the uninitiated are truly spine chilling..
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Yeah, I know a lot about the outer part of free masonry. Regarding religion, they have only TWO requirements!

    1. You have to have a belief in God. Atheists and agnostics are not allowed.
    2. Some orders(or whatever they are called) MUST be of a certain religion. As I recall, knights templar have to be catholic. I would check on their website, where they say, but my computer is acting up.

    Those from freemason families I have known seem fine and when I tell them what some christian zealots say about freemasons, they are SHOCKED. So I don't know how much there is true. I used to go to a church next to a nice big masonic temple, but I never even went into the temple. .

    BTW to become a mason, as I recall, you have to be invited and, if one member thinks you shouldn't be there, they can vote against you and you are out.

    The SHRINERS are free masons!

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    • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      Yeah, I know a lot about the outer part of free masonry. Regarding religion, they have only TWO requirements!

      1. You have to have a belief in God. Atheists and agnostics are not allowed.
      2. Some orders(or whatever they are called) MUST be of a certain religion. As I recall, knights templar have to be catholic. I would check on their website, where they say, but my computer is acting up.

      Those from freemason families I have known seem fine and when I tell them what some christian zealots say about freemasons, they are SHOCKED. So I don't know how much there is true. I used to go to a church next to a nice big masonic temple, but I never even went into the temple. .

      BTW to become a mason, as I recall, you have to be invited and, if one member thinks you shouldn't be there, they can vote against you and you are out.

      The SHRINERS are free masons!

      Steve
      Nope on the Catholicism; you can be a Catholic and a Freemason, I have known a couple, but given the history they are kinda at odds with one another. You'd usually be a Knight of Columbus if you were a die-hard Catholic and therefore against Freemasonry.

      The OP's area, Quebec, has a French history and is therefore highly Catholic.

      Yes on the Shriners. "The Shrine". Another body...with its own personality.

      Yes on the voting. One of the slogans is "2BE1ASK1" so you can invite yourself in as a candidate. There is a number on the blackballing (yes, another source of our common phrases...voting is accomplished by placing a black or white marble into a box) but it's more than one.

      The zealots don't know what they're talking about. Presbytarians fight Baptists. One denomination is fiercely against gambling. Another has no problem with bingo in the hall. It's all a case of "I am right" and for the most part churches are a social club.

      Another FM slogan is "To Make Good Men Better". Note NOT "To make bad men good." It's a quiet, conservative group that tells some stories. You haven't missed much having not entered a temple.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

        Nope on the Catholicism; you can be a Catholic and a Freemason, I have known a couple, but given the history they are kinda at odds with one another. You'd usually be a Knight of Columbus if you were a die-hard Catholic and therefore against Freemasonry.

        *****PLEASE****** read again!!!! I said the free masons demanded that you believe in a God, and the KT HAD to be Catholic! The KC is TOTALLY different!

        Anyway, you didn't really say anything I said was wrong. Though I DID hear it was ONE black!

        Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author Horny Devil
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    Free masonry is great. It can save you a packet when you need hardcore for the footings of your new patio.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
    Let's just say that Free Masons are what they are. Believers and servers of the all mighty. I was brought up in a family of Free Masons and followed in their foot steps. There is no demonic connection at all. The truth is the truth and facts are facts. I'll stop there because I have reasons not to say anything more.

    Have a Great Day!
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
      Originally Posted by Michael Mayo View Post

      There is no demonic connection at all.
      That's exactly what you'd want us to think, isn't it?
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
        Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

        That's exactly what you'd want us to think, isn't it?
        Dan, I've never seen any connection and if I did I would run so fast I would break the sound barrier in a heart beat!

        Oh and please, even jokingly, Please don't attempt to place me in the demons corner....Thanks.

        Have a Great Day!
        Michael
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        • Profile picture of the author waterotter
          Originally Posted by Michael Mayo View Post

          Dan, I've never seen any connection and if I did I would run so fast I would break the sound barrier in a heart beat!

          Oh and please, even jokingly, Please don't attempt to place me in the demons corner....Thanks.

          Have a Great Day!
          Michael
          I agree with Michael 100%. I too, was brought up in a family of Masons, but being a female, I accepted the explanation of this "secret society" at an early age and to this day have never had reason to question anyone's affiliation with the Free Masons.

          If you put Michael in the demons corner, ya better sit me next to him
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          • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
            Originally Posted by Michael Mayo View Post

            Oh and please, even jokingly, Please don't attempt to place me in the demons corner....Thanks.

            Have a Great Day!
            Michael
            Originally Posted by waterotter View Post

            I agree with Michael 100%. I too, was brought up in a family of Masons, but being a female, I accepted the explanation of this "secret society" at an early age and to this day have never had reason to question anyone's affiliation with the Free Masons.

            If you put Michael in the demons corner, ya better sit me next to him
            I don't know what all this "demons corner" stuff is, but I was merely making a joke. I meant nothing personal.

            I'm here to make fart jokes and dance like a monkey, not offend anyone's sensibilities.
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

        That's exactly what you'd want us to think, isn't it?
        I was actually going to say "That's exactly what the Devil would say".

        They would never accept me as a member. Not because the Freemasons have strict moral rules....

        It's just that I've never seen an organization of any kind...that would accept me as a member.

        Even my wife, when we got married, was so embarrassed, that she changed her last name.:rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
        Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

        That's exactly what you'd want us to think, isn't it?

        Thanks for the laugh Dan!
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    • Profile picture of the author Mikaedi88
      Originally Posted by Michael Mayo View Post

      Let's just say that Free Masons are what they are. Believers and servers of the all mighty. I was brought up in a family of Free Masons and followed in their foot steps. There is no demonic connection at all. The truth is the truth and facts are facts. I'll stop there because I have reasons not to say anything more. Here is why.

      Have a Great Day!
      Michael
      You are not a 33rd degree mason Michael, so would be unaware of the demonic nature..
      read up on Albert Pike
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
    I'm Not? Damn, I hate it when that happens.
    You should check your facts then return to out me Mikaedi88.

    You might want to dig really deep prior to reposting your findings. Just saying brother.

    Have a Great Day!
    Michael
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
    Lol... I'm going to bow out as this will lead to big differences in beliefs and will embark into things the WF does not allow. Although, before I leave I will say Goodbye for now and leave you with this thought...lol

    Have a Great Day/Night!
    Michael
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by Michael Mayo View Post

      Lol... I'm going to bow out as this will lead to big differences in beliefs and will embark into things the WF does not allow. Although, before I leave I will say Goodbye for now and leave you with this thought...lol

      Have a Great Day/Night!
      Michael
      Michael; But you seem to be an expert. (I'm being serious now)

      Some people here have mistaken beliefs about Freemasons.

      I don't, but only because I know nothing about them.

      I understands that this may be too personal for you. To be honest, I don't even know if this is a religion, or fraternal organization.

      If it's a religion, the thread will be deleted eventually...probably. But if it's a different type of organization...you would seem to be the "Go to guy".
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    I know nothing.
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  • Profile picture of the author waterotter
    @ Claude, fraternal organization - yes, religious - no!

    That's my understanding of it. Michael may be able to shed more light on this.


    ETA: I don't know if there is a difference in the Canadian Society vs the US.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
    Claude, I really don't want to be the person that changes peoples perspective on this matter. I choose to do what I do which is help people when I can. If others want to call it a cult or whatever then that's their choice and they couldn't even begin to know what Masons are really about. I've personally helped more people having hard times while not having two nickles to rub together than anyone else I can personally name at this time. I will continue to do so till the day I die. Seriously, Life gets shorter ever day as life seems to move faster. I have a lot of work to do before my time is up and all I ask is that my family doesn't suffer on account of my unintentional neglect.

    Good Night Warriors,
    Have a Great Day/Night/Morning!
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by Michael Mayo View Post

      Claude, I really don't want to be the person that changes peoples perspective on this matter. I choose to do what I do which is help people when I can. If others want to call it a cult or whatever then that's their choice and they couldn't even begin to know what Masons are really about. I've personally helped more people having hard times while not having two nickles to rub together than anyone else I can personally name at this time. I will continue to do so till the day I die. Seriously, Life gets shorter ever day as life seems to move faster. I have a lot of work to do before my time is up and all I ask is that my family doesn't suffer on account of my unintentional neglect.

      Good Night Warriors,
      Have a Great Day/Night/Morning!
      Michael
      Michael; I believe you completely. Some people repeat old wives tales or speak without knowledge. I've been known to do that a time or two myself.

      But if you really want to help us, just lay it out for us. We've already had some insights here, and a few sources to check out.

      Nobody (Nobody intelligent anyway) thinks you worship the devil, or any of that nonsense. But most of us have literally no information to go on.

      So far, it actually sounds interesting.
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      • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Michael; I believe you completely. Some people repeat old wives tales or speak without knowledge. I've been known to do that a time or two myself.

        But if you really want to help us, just lay it out for us. We've already had some insights here, and a few sources to check out.

        Nobody (Nobody intelligent anyway) thinks you worship the devil, or any of that nonsense. But most of us have literally no information to go on.

        So far, it actually sounds interesting.
        I thought their funky cars and clown suits were hilarious when they went through town, but they were notoriously stingy tippers, service industry folk told me.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
          Originally Posted by Mikaedi88 View Post

          You are not a 33rd degree mason Michael, so would be unaware of the demonic nature..
          read up on Albert Pike

          Michael is a 55th degree mason. He's so high up in the hierarchy that even HE doesn't know he's the one in charge of the entire organization!
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  • Profile picture of the author waterotter
    Claude, this may enlighten you:

    What do Masons do? - Grand Lodge of Canada
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    I think that as with any other large organization, one's experience may depend upon who is involved with that particular "local version" and how one interprets data. I know people who spend a lot of time looking for the church in their denomination that is most similar to their thinking.

    As for freemasonry, I have only had one contact with a person who said he was involved. He was Catholic and he became uncomfortable with it because he felt they were subtly pushing another religion (not Satanism by the way). That's why I wrote what I wrote in the first paragraph. It was his experience with one local lodge, and it was his interpretation of what he believes he experienced.

    Again, the same can be said of any large organization. Someone may really enjoy working at "whatever corporation", while someone else may work at the same corporation under a bad boss and say they don't like "whatever corporation".

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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Wow!

      I have a feeling this is exactly what the OP was looking for when he posted this thread.

      And honestly, of the guys I know that have stated they are Freemasons, I highly, highly doubt they are satanists. Seriously!

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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Barboza
    Not long ago I was going to start a thread about this but thought it would be closed very fast so I decided not to start it.

    The reason I have been interested in this topic is because my aunt's husband is a mason (Grand Master or something like that) and once he told me that I "make a good prospect for a mason" He told me about all the values they have and how I could fit in there.

    Then, after a couple of months, I met a very interesting guy, university professor and engineer, who told me about how he became a mason and, again, told me that I can fit perfectly in his lodge. He even gave me a form to fill in, in case I am interested.

    I haven't filled it in since, currently, I am living in a small town where there's no lodge. Planning to move to the city next year and maybe consider the issue again.
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    • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
      Originally Posted by Lex Gabriel View Post

      Not long ago I was going to start a thread about this but thought it would be closed very fast so I decided not to start it.

      The reason I have been interested in this topic is because my aunt's husband is a mason (Grand Master or something like that) and once he told me that I "make a good prospect for a mason" He told me about all the values they have and how I could fit in there.

      Then, after a couple of months, I met a very interesting guy, university professor and engineer, who told me about how he became a mason and, again, told me that I can fit perfectly in his lodge. He even gave me a form to fill in, in case I am interested.

      I haven't filled it in since, currently, I am living in a small town where there's no lodge. Planning to move to the city next year and maybe consider the issue again.
      Maybe a mod or two has not seen it yet?

      Around here folks can go on and on about how awful a bunch of so-called over-PCed-over privileged students can be but someone can take over federal property -which is newsworthy and that thread gets deleted within an hour two.

      I just had a thread full of economic charts deleted. There was no talk of parties or personalities in it - just economic charts.

      Maybe it was the online sales charts I recently posted that did the thread in?
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  • Profile picture of the author socialentry
    have you ever made good connections in the free masons? A lot of important people in the western world were free masons.
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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    Freemasonry is a great way to build a list.

    First lure them with a Freemasonry report or video in exchange for their email address.

    Once they're on the list, you can convince them to upgrade to Premiummasonry at one of the different levels of membership.

    Bronzemasonry
    Silvermasonry
    Goldmasonry
    Platinummasonry, etc..
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

      Freemasonry is a great way to build a list.

      First lure them with a Freemasonry report or video in exchange for their email address.

      Once they're on the list, you can convince them to upgrade to Premiummasonry at one of the different levels of membership.

      Bronzemasonry
      Silvermasonry
      Goldmasonry
      Platinummasonry, etc..
      I saw this thread, and my first thought was, "Freemasonry? I think that's a great start to a marketing funnel. After Freemasonry, we can have a 3 month trial, with PaidMasonry...."

      But I see you beat me to the punch............................................. ..............by over two years. My punch sure is slowing down, as I get older.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        I saw this thread, and my first thought was, "Freemasonry? I think that's a great start to a marketing funnel. After Freemasonry, we can have a 3 month trial, with PaidMasonry...."

        But I see you beat me to the punch............................................. ..............by over two years. My punch sure is slowing down, as I get older.
        His punch was also better crafted, more intelligent, better looking, and less likely to bury children under its front porch.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

          His punch was also better crafted, more intelligent, better looking, and less likely to bury children under its front porch.
          You're an idiot. I don't have a front porch. But our old abandoned farm house, 30 miles from anywhere, with the very loose soil, does.

          Teslar.....Dammit!
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    I'll take free masonry over paid masonry any day of the week. :rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      A mob that kept the map to the holy grail, at least that is what l remember from the Raiders series, and rats?

      And you had to prey a sword off of a dead mummy's bony fingers!

      But that is optional?

      Unless it has a Grand Po-Bah hat they have lost me, or at least a Viking hat?

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    I love it when someone will lay brick for me for free.
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    Bump old thread, get deleted and run?
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Yup - and then the person who posted right after the spammer takes the rap.
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      Please do not 'release balloons' for celebrations. The balloons and trailing ribbons entangle birds and kill wildlife and livestock that think the balloons are food.
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    • Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

      Bump old thread, get deleted and run?
      Was it bumped, or jus' dislodged?
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      Lightin' fuses is for blowin' stuff togethah.

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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    My father-in-law was one of them and tried to recruit me but I resisted the temptation. I often drove him to a jewelry store that also sold stuff with their symbolism.


    BTW...

    They don't appreciate people who are not in the group, wearing or displaying their symbolism.
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  • Tellya, freemasons are missin' a trick here.

    I figure they need some kinda subscription service so they can rake in the bucks an'



    oh yeah, I see it.
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    Lightin' fuses is for blowin' stuff togethah.

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