An open "letter" to the US Government, et al

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    Ah... Good ol' Corporatism
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      Jimmy,
      Ah... Good ol' Corporatism
      Indeed. If they fail to agglomerate their excrescence, I may recommend summoning another Talking Heads daemon: Psychokiller, qu'est que c'est?


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    Well, thanks, Paul. Seems my keyboard still works after spitting coffee all over it - but my mouse is acting a little strange. I'll be back after it dries.
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      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Well, thanks, Paul. Seems my keyboard still works after spitting coffee all over it - but my mouse is acting a little strange. I'll be back after it dries.
      Put it in rice. Absorbs the water. LOL
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        Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

        Put it in rice. Absorbs the water. LOL
        I just took the ball out of it and hit it with the hair dryer. 2 minute fix.

        That was a way good laugh - want to post it to my FB. I'm still wondering if what I saw about them putting a tarp over Rushmore was a joke or not and thinking how bizarre things have gotten when a person can't tell if that is a real story or satire.

        I was thinking that we need to just start full scale, across the board impeachment/recall. Now I"m starting to think that across the board spankings seem to be more appropriate. Our high school student government had more sense and maturity than these people. I no longer laugh at Kim in North Korea because I feel hypocritical when I do.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          We tend to see the government as something apart from us.

          The government is a collection of us , doing what we do. We can blame the "Government", but why? It's just human nature. They are doing what's natural for a group of people, in their position.

          Did you think that individuals would think of the greater good, no matter how it affects their position? When is that going to start? Did you think that members of a political team would think of changing their position, just because it helps the most people?

          We keep peeling back layers of people, trying to find the masterminds that control everything. It's just more layers of us.

          We aren't impressed with the government, because, as a species, we just aren't all that impressive.

          Believe me, I've met us.

          Edited. I'm talking about large numbers of people. Any group. Most individuals. I have seen and met exceptional individual people. But they were...well...the exceptions. We all tend to act like each other.
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          • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            We tend to see the government as something apart from us.

            The government is a collection of us , doing what we do. We can blame the "Government", but why? It's just human nature. They are doing what's natural for a group of people, in their position.

            Did you think that individuals would think of the greater good, no matter how it affects their position? When is that going to start?

            We keep peeling back layers of people, trying to find the masterminds that control everything. It's just more layers of us.

            We aren't impressed with the government, because, as a species, we just aren't all that impressive.

            Believe me, I've met us.

            As an example, we the stock holders

            I always wondered who voted the 401k stocks/shares. Now there's some real power.

            Edit: Proxy, that was the word I was looking for.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
    The open letter forgot to mention the ever popular "they."

    And no, I have no clue whether the period goes inside the quotes or outside, let alone what Paul said to Jimmy.
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Originally Posted by David Maschke View Post

      The open letter forgot to mention the ever popular "they."

      And no, I have no clue whether the period goes inside the quotes or outside, let alone what Paul said to Jimmy.
      A question I ponder daily
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by David Maschke View Post

      The open letter forgot to mention the ever popular "they."

      And no, I have no clue whether the period goes inside the quotes or outside, let alone what Paul said to Jimmy.
      Indeed. If they fail to agglomerate their excrescence, I may recommend summoning another Talking Heads daemon: Psychokiller, qu'est que c'est?
      He said,. and I paraphrase:

      If they don't get their shit together, I may recommend summoning another Talking Heads deamon: Psychokiller, qu'est que c'est? (believe he's refering to "Burning down the house" by OTHER Talking Heads deamon, maybe not, they're close)
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      David,
      And no, I have no clue whether the period goes inside the quotes or outside, let alone what Paul said to Jimmy.
      Inside the quotes. Not the most intuitive rule, but there it is...
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      • Profile picture of the author ThomM
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        David,Inside the quotes. Not the most intuitive rule, but there it is...
        Now the next question is, does that apply to quotes in a sentence?
        Like. Jimmy said, "tomorrow is yesterdays today".
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        • Profile picture of the author HeySal
          Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

          Now the next question is, does that apply to quotes in a sentence?
          Like. Jimmy said, "tomorrow is yesterdays today".
          No - outside like you have it. Inside is for when the quote composes the whole sentence.
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          • Profile picture of the author ThomM
            Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

            No - outside like you have it. Inside is for when the quote composes the whole sentence.
            Thanks Sal, that's the one I always have problems with.
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            • Profile picture of the author Horny Devil
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              Sorry to put a damper on the frenzied support for putting the US government to rights.

              I started a thread within the OTF a little while back referencing a BBC article regarding 10 things that had been affected by the US government shutdown. It was promptly removed before a single reply was garnered. I took this to be because it was deemed as being linked to "politics", which is not allowed throughout the boards of WF. I've also seen other threads - however small the political connection - promptly pulled.

              Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't an "open letter to the US government" similarly linked to politics.

              I'm sure this thread would have been approved by a Mod. Oh, hang on, it was started by a Mod.

              I'll refrain from using the words "pot, kettle, and black" as there's undoubtedly some perfectly reasonable explanation. Can't wait for this one. :rolleyes:
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              • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                Thom, I've had to relearn this because, somewhere between grade school and now, They changed the rules on me. I'm pretty sure They changed comma usage, too, allowing usage to be more of a stylistic choice than the hard and fast rules that were beaten into me as a child.

                The current theory is periods and commas always go inside quotes. Question marks get dicey and depend on the structure of the sentence.

                Here's a good primer: Quotation Marks | Punctuation Rules
                Thanks but no thanks Dan. Like you I had punctuation and grammer hammered into me in grade school. If I haven't got it all figured out 50 years later or if they changed the rules on me tough
                Originally Posted by Horny Devil View Post

                Sorry to put a damper on the frenzied support for putting the US government to rights.

                I started a thread within the OTF a little while back referencing a BBC article regarding 10 things that had been affected by the US government shutdown. It was promptly removed before a single reply was garnered. I took this to be because it was deemed as being linked to "politics", which is not allowed throughout the boards of WF. I've also seen other threads - however small the political connection - promptly pulled.

                Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't an "open letter to the US government" similarly linked to politics.

                I'm sure this thread would have been approved by a Mod. Oh, hang on, it was started by a Mod.

                I'll refrain from using the words "pot, kettle, and black" as there's undoubtedly some perfectly reasonable explanation. Can't wait for this one. :rolleyes:
                The first reply would of been political mud slinging.
                This thread turned into grammar lessons.
                See the difference?
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              • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
                Originally Posted by Horny Devil View Post

                Sorry to put a damper on the frenzied support for putting the US government to rights.

                I started a thread within the OTF a little while back referencing a BBC article regarding 10 things that had been affected by the US government shutdown. It was promptly removed before a single reply was garnered. I took this to be because it was deemed as being linked to "politics", which is not allowed throughout the boards of WF. I've also seen other threads - however small the political connection - promptly pulled.

                Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't an "open letter to the US government" similarly linked to politics.

                I'm sure this thread would have been approved by a Mod. Oh, hang on, it was started by a Mod.

                I'll refrain from using the words "pot, kettle, and black" as there's undoubtedly some perfectly reasonable explanation. Can't wait for this one. :rolleyes:
                I can't speak to your post being deleted, but I saw this as a joke, a letter to every so called secret society, and not to our government.

                Those who do not believe in secret societies will see the author of the letter embarrassing himself.
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                • Profile picture of the author Horny Devil
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                  Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

                  The first reply would of been political mud slinging.
                  This thread turned into grammar lessons.
                  See the difference?
                  It's still politics.
                  Maybe my thread would have turned into grammar lessons, if left up.
                  See the difference?


                  Originally Posted by David Maschke View Post

                  I saw this as a joke, a letter to every so called secret society, and not to our government.
                  The thread title says otherwise.

                  Regardless of whether it's intended as a joke, other threads with political references are always pulled no matter how insignificant the reference.

                  In the case of my previous thread that was pulled, there were no direct references to the US government; merely hard facts about what services/facilities were suffering due to the shutdown.

                  I'm not a killjoy by any means, and no-one enjoys the banter, wit, sarcasm, and platitude of the OTF more than myself. Is uniformity of interpreting the rules such a big ask?
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                  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
                    Originally Posted by Horny Devil View Post

                    It's still politics.
                    Maybe my thread would have turned into grammar lessons, if left up.
                    See the difference?

                    The thread title says otherwise.

                    Regardless of whether it is intended as a joke, other threads with political references are always pulled no matter how insignificant the reference.

                    In the case of my previous thread that was pulled, there were no direct references to the US government; merely hard facts about what services/facilities were suffering due to the shutdown.

                    I'm not a killjoy by any means, and no-one enjoys the banter, wit, sarcasm, and platitude of the OTF more than myself. Is uniformity of interpreting the rules such a big ask?
                    That's not true. We do quite a bit of political yacking in here. The problem isn't discussing the entity of gov in one piece - the problem is when people start ripping it apart and turning it into fuel for partisanism. The Dems this - the Repubs that - kill you because your a Tea Bagger type stuff. I've actually seen some threads go a tad into partisan talk and stay around quite awhile until some idiot gets in and starts chewing everyone to ribbons because they are hardcore one side partixan on the issue discussed.

                    How many times have you seen people fling "tinfoil nutcase" in my direction? That is the type of shyte that gets stuff nuked. I don't care when some people tell me to go to hell and give exact directions to the place -- but a lot of people get real froggy about that crap.
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              • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
                Originally Posted by Horny Devil View Post

                Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't an "open letter to the US government" similarly linked to politics.
                Not the way I see, because the letter isn't really to the US government, the target is conspiracy theorists.
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                • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                  Dennis,
                  Not the way I see, because the letter isn't really to the US government, the target is conspiracy theorists.
                  But, but, but... Those groups ARE the government!

                  (Aren't they?)
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                  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
                    Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                    Dennis,But, but, but... Those groups ARE the government!

                    (Aren't they?)
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                    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

                      Ummm... Dennis?

                      You do realize, I hope, that the argument made in that cartoon has been made here in all seriousness and quite recently, don't you?
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                      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
                        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                        Ummm... Dennis?

                        You do realize, I hope, that the argument made in that cartoon has been made here in all seriousness and quite recently, don't you?
                        Yes, but I couldn't find the cartoon I was looking for, and I thought there was a subtle irony with this one as it related to your question. Maybe I missed the mark -- wouldn't be the first time.
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                  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
                    Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                    Dennis,But, but, but... Those groups ARE the government!

                    (Aren't they?)
                    Well we know the lizard people are (punchline redacted:rolleyes -- - but.....um........Bohemian grove is a PLACE - it's where everyone else on the list goes. Should have stayed in politics. I hate to miss a good party. And - - when I was in high school, the Koch brothers were just a couple of squirrely dudes who couldn't hold their Boonesfarm. If we are talking the same guys -- everything is sooooo explained.

                    But who are the VRL? I live in abject terror now knowing that someone is most likely stalking me yet I have no clue what their mission is! I need to KNOW who is peaking in my windows or through my computer monitor if I'm to have on the correct lingerie ensemble.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
          Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

          Now the next question is, does that apply to quotes in a sentence?
          Like. Jimmy said, "tomorrow is yesterdays today".
          Thom, I've had to relearn this because, somewhere between grade school and now, They changed the rules on me. I'm pretty sure They changed comma usage, too, allowing usage to be more of a stylistic choice than the hard and fast rules that were beaten into me as a child.

          The current theory is periods and commas always go inside quotes. Question marks get dicey and depend on the structure of the sentence.

          Here's a good primer: Quotation Marks | Punctuation Rules
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          • Profile picture of the author HeySal
            Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

            Thom, I've had to relearn this because, somewhere between grade school and now, They changed the rules on me. I'm pretty sure They changed comma usage, too, allowing usage to be more of a stylistic choice than the hard and fast rules that were beaten into me as a child.

            The current theory is periods and commas always go inside quotes. Question marks get dicey and depend on the structure of the sentence.

            Here's a good primer: Quotation Marks | Punctuation Rules
            Sounds like junk from the Old Webster grammar books.

            Punctuation goes inside and outside of quotes depending if the quote is the WHOLE sentence or just a quote within the sentence.

            Commas can go anywhere you would normally pause in speech without being wrong - but you can over due those real easy. As you notice, I use a lot of dashes, too. Also a lot of ..............that aren't really particularly "correct" or "wrong" but they are very effective in indicating a pause in speech flow.
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            • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
              Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

              Sounds like junk from the Old Webster grammar books.

              Punctuation goes inside and outside of quotes depending if the quote is the WHOLE sentence or just a quote within the sentence.
              I remember learning something similar, but good luck finding such parameters now. A quick search reveals that in American usage, commas and periods always go inside the quote, unless you're following the American Chemical Society style guide.

              Here's a solid breakdown of current usage rules for various style guides: Grammarly Answers | Quotation Marks and Other Punctuation - Inside or Outside?
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              • Profile picture of the author HeySal
                Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                I remember learning something similar, but good luck finding such parameters now. A quick search reveals that in American usage, commas and periods always go inside the quote, unless you're following the American Chemical Society style guide.

                Here's a solid breakdown of current usage rules for various style guides: Grammarly Answers | Quotation Marks and Other Punctuation - Inside or Outside?
                Yeah - I know that you can find it in grammar books. That doesn't make it right on a linguistic level - just like the commas. Also - Webster is not allowed in U of M English/Linguisitcs classrooms (at least it wasn't not too long ago). Correct scholastic grammar is not supposed to be AP stylebook crap.

                Convoluted punctuation in a society that has "printing" capabilities (standardization), shows muddeled thinking processes in the society. Of course, that might be wrong, too....I mean look at the US. We're 200 yrs old and we're doing...........oh. Um..........

                Never mind.
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    Can you say "shadow government"?

    It's when it ain't 'of the people, by the people and for the people'

    ... and it sure as hell ain't.

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    I've researched enough conspiracy theories that I've heard of all those groups -except the Vril Society. I could Google it, but I don't need anything new to be paranoid about
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    Inside the quotes is the way I was taught, and that ain't "new grammar."
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      Inside the quotes is the way I was taught, and that ain't "new grammar."
      Not the way it's taught at U of M.

      It's also normally taught that there is no comma before the "and" in a series and that is technically very incorrect - and provably so. That structure was seen in news so often that people started thinking it was right. (news originally did it to make stuff fit the columns). You can get away with it about anywhere but in a formal dissertation, though, because people have no clue what difference it makes. Leaving out the comma is a very, very intricate usage for the purposes of biasing the thoughts of the reader though.
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        I'll refrain from using the words "pot, kettle, and black" as there's undoubtedly some perfectly reasonable explanation. Can't wait for this one.
        It's pretty simple, really. It was a poke in the ribs about the conspiracy theories that get tossed around here "from time to time."

        I can explain the joke, if you'd like?


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          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          It's pretty simple, really. It was a poke in the ribs about the conspiracy theories that get tossed around here "from time to time."
          It's still overly political, more so than mine and other threads I've seen pulled.


          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          I can explain the joke, if you'd like?
          Please. Don't flatter yourself.

          Disagreement never sits well with you Paul, and your vacation "magic wand", as opposed to words, is your frequent solution. I know personally.


          @HeySal

          I take your point entirely Sal, but the forum sticky boldly states "political threads are forbidden", and if "An open letter to the US Government, et al" is not political then I don't know what is.

          Heck, I'm not bothered either way. Politics is as good a topic as any to me. The point I was trying to make is that other threads, with small innocuous references to politics, get pulled regularly. And I have no doubt whatsoever that if it were you or I who started this thread, we would not be commenting on it now . . it would have disappeared long ago to the political waste incinerator under WF.
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        • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          It's pretty simple, really. It was a poke in the ribs about the conspiracy theories that get tossed around here "from time to time."

          I can explain the joke, if you'd like?


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          I don't think the date on the letter was necessary. It could have said 2005 or 2003, and I still would have agreed with it. That's what makes it really funny
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  • Profile picture of the author waterotter
    Maybe this needs to be posted as a sticky on proper WF Grammar:p
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by waterotter View Post

      Maybe this needs to be posted as a sticky on proper WF Grammar:p
      As you can see..........that doesn't guarantee agreement, either.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    And my point was that some don't get nuked. Lately a LOT of them have stayed up because we haven't gone after each other with vengeance in them. Your post might have gotten a nasty reply from the get and would have been nuked - or just may have been a post that was just begging for problems from the nature of it. It won't just get automatically nuked just because of bias. If that happened, I'd never be able to loggin to this forum again.
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    • Profile picture of the author Patrician
      I concur - the hostility is the CRUX of the matter starting from WHY politics is taboo in the first place - When they get shut down it is almost always because someone is drawing blood - that whole hostile environment is offensive and people will complain - THAT is why they get nuked.

      The whole issue is so inflammatory what with 'how things are' and then if people morph into pit bulls, well it's just ugly. We should be able to disagree without 'shooting the messenger' or shaming someone because they don't agree with us.




      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      And my point was that some don't get nuked. Lately a LOT of them have stayed up because we haven't gone after each other with vengeance in them. Your post might have gotten a nasty reply from the get and would have been nuked - or just may have been a post that was just begging for problems from the nature of it. It won't just get automatically nuked just because of bias. If that happened, I'd never be able to loggin to this forum again.
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  • Profile picture of the author waterotter
    @ Horny Devil, I'm buying ya a few shots of Tequila. Sounds like you could use them
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    • Profile picture of the author Horny Devil
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      Exactly what is the point in having a forum rule that expressly forbids something, but then says it might be ok if it's construed as satire, tongue-in-cheek, or gentle ribbing. Why spend the time composing a new thread if you have absolutely no way of knowing whether it will be accepted or not. I've seen so many threads taken down, not because they turned into slanging matches, but simply because they contained political references . . . whether witty or serious, and however little the reference.

      I stand by what I said. If anyone else had posted this thread it would have been removed instantly. I'd like to be a fly on the wall next to the Mods if anyone else ventures forth with a thread lampooning the US Government, and assorted factions.

      And on that note I'm going to leave you to it as the Main Forum is calling. Was going to retire to bed but the wife said "If it's after 2am, don't disturb me". She's never wrong either.


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      I hope that tequila goes down well. I've got milk.
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    Maybe there should be a "no holds barred" off topic forum where everyone understands what goes down and chooses to be involved in it.
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    I hope that tequila goes down well. I've got milk.
    That was for You!

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    Koch Brothers.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      HD,
      Regardless of whether it's intended as a joke, other threads with political references are always pulled no matter how insignificant the reference.
      "Always" is a bit of an overstatement. As has been noted, more of them are staying up longer these days, due to the increased level of civility in the discussions. There's also the matter of the different perspectives of each moderator in regard to where that line should be drawn. We have generally found it preferable to leave some flex in the system, rather than going to absolutist measures, which are the only way one gets to near-perfect consistency.

      That's not really relevant to the OP, which didn't mention anything about politics, or even point to a specific issue. But, you raised the question, so...

      Tell you a little open secret, HD. I personally would rather delete a thread than let it slide into a discussion that will result in a member being banned, even if it's only temporary. Other mods hold to the belief that it's better to let the discussions go and ban the folks who cross the lines, leaving everyone else to talk freely.

      There are valid points on both sides, I think. Enough so that I use the second approach in some other parts of the forum. In here, I think it's better to have people pissed at me over policy than angry at each other because of overzealous attacks on someone for their personal beliefs.
      Disagreement never sits well with you Paul
      "Agreeing with Paul" has never been a requirement for unmolested participation in this forum. Never. A certain minimum level of civility has, along with staying within the rules and not attacking the forum or its members.

      Disagreeing with the policies and then acting in ways that contravene them, or which the mod handling an issue believes is destructive, can get you banned, yes. That's not a question of personal ego, though. It's a matter of the moderators doing what we're supposed to do.
      I stand by what I said. If anyone else had posted this thread it would have been removed instantly.
      You aren't paying as much attention as would seem required to make that kind of statement. It is not accurate. If you would like evidence, there are plenty of threads that are far more political than that cartoon which are still viewable in this section.

      This is sort of like the claim that we (the mods) delete all negative reviews in the WSO section. It sounds to some folks like it means something, right up until they actually look at what's right there in front of them.

      I don't know why your thread was deleted. I don't recall having even seen it. That said, I'm pretty confident the mod who removed it, assuming we even knew who that was, could enunciate a clear and sensible reason for the deletion.

      Tim,
      Bingo!!!!
      Have I told you lately? Have I? Huh?

      Consider yourself told.


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      • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post




        Consider yourself told.


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        Haha. Funny. I seriously was just going to say how you have done a really good job at maintaining some sort of respectable, open, way of regulating the posts here. I understand what HorneyDevil was saying but really, he missed the mark.
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          Patricia,
          One thing I was thinking about threads that never make it off the plate - one very good reason may be because they refer back to a thread that has just been deleted or closed
          We treat those like re-posts of deleted threads. We nuke them. And sometimes give the poster a temp ban.

          Tim,
          I understand what HorneyDevil was saying but really, he missed the mark.
          He probably hit it square on, within his perspective. To put it another way... His conclusion is incorrect, but it's likely his working dataset supports his reasoning.

          There's no way anyone can moderate in a forum this size and please everyone. It's simply not possible.

          One aspect of that is the notion of perfect consistency. Even if there were absolute consistency among multiple mods (unlikely, to say the least), there would be some people whose working definitions of things are sufficiently different from the mods' that they'd see conflicts.

          The word 'political' comes to mind as a relevant example...


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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    Way, Paul.

    (way with words) 4-1 thing

    i really appreciate the enlightened perspectives described in both options:

    quote paul myers: "Tell you a little open secret, HD. I personally would rather delete a thread than let it slide into a discussion that will result in a member being banned, even if it's only temporary. Other mods hold to the belief that it's better to let the discussions go and ban the folks who cross the lines, leaving everyone else to talk freely".

    Also P.S. to my post above @ #38 -

    One thing I was thinking about threads that never make it off the plate - one very good reason may be because they refer back to a thread that has just been deleted or closed - trying to continue the 'conversation' regardless of what the mod did. (and especially speaking antagonistically off the dime with the new thread).

    i even think i remember one just like that here one minute and gone the next.
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    Nah. You hit it. I just wondered if you knew it wasn't all parody.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      Nah. You hit it. I just wondered if you knew it wasn't all parody.
      It's a wise person who doesn't underestimate my ability to overlook the obvious.
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