The new flesh eating street drug 'Krokodile' just hit the Chicagoland area.

Patrician

11 years ago

Really horrific. Junkies are not sick enough now this.

Very sad.

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11 years ago

If I ever need to rot my flesh, I'll look into this. Thanks.

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tagiscom 11 years ago

Originally Posted by mojojuju

If I ever need to rot my flesh, I'll look into this. Thanks.

Nothing like a bit of dark humour! :rolleyes:

But seriously apart from serious drug users, would a recreational individual take s*** like this?

Even if l believed l was God and could fly around the room l wouldn't touch this stuff.

But l don't take anything like this, so maybe l am not an authority.

Need to carry a health warning, WARNING THIS PRODUCT MAY ROT YOUR FLESH, AND REDUCE YOUR LIFE EXPECTANCY TO 2 YEARS WITH PROLONGED USE!

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Patrician

11 years ago

This is truly MONSTROUS - How DEPRAVED whoever is making this and selling it.

Talk about your Halloween True Horror Story.

As far as how sick do you have to be to risk your life and every dollar (junkies)? ...and when they get really bad, they wouldn't care about whatever 'risks' or 'poison/danger' warnings - they will risk it to get what they call high. It's a total death trip anyway -

... but gangrene from the inside out? monstrous. absolutely of all the things that have happened in the darkness this has to be getting down to the worst possible demons.

p.s. but i hate myself for watching the video and now i am freaked out after midnight dead tired but just too SICK to close my eyes - and I watched it hours ago...

goodnight (i hope)

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SShip

11 years ago

Just horrible.

I know it's hard to tell if the the addicts would take it knowingly, but I wonder how many know that they are taking this drug.

Edit: After leaving this post, I went to my FB page and there on top of my feed was a graphic picture of what it does. OMG, gruesome!

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Richard Van 11 years ago

The life expectancy of a Krokodil user is 2 years, if they're lucky.

In all honesty, if you can't afford Heroin when you see what that does to people, and you'd rather something that makes Heroin users look like they eat plenty of fruit, and you rot from wherever the needle goes in, and with the crap it's made of, I reckon a bullet to the head will save the user and any family a lot of grief.

Forgive me but this makes crack and heroin actually look like fun.

"Only in Russia" - except now it's in America. I've heard Doctors here say they're convinced they've treated Krokodil users.

Bloody frightening waste of time, life and energy if you ask me.

What's wrong with beer anyway?

Originally Posted by SShip

I know it's hard to tell if the the addicts would take it knowingly, but I wonder how many know that they are taking this drug.

Thanks, that's something I hadn't considered having watched a documentary of people making it at home in Russia. Now I'm sure unscrupulous dealers here will sell it as cheaper Heroin instead.

That makes the thing a lot more dangerous.
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11 years ago

Wow. This is horrible. Horrible. Wow.

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nik0

Banned 11 years ago

Jesus christ, those pictures in the video are nothing compared to what Google Images shows

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Claude Whitacre 11 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

Jesus christ, those pictures in the video are nothing compared to what Google Images shows

Yeah, I just looked up Google Images. Words fail me.
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sbucciarel

Banned 11 years ago

I did too ... the Google images and read some of the news about it.

Horrific... and there's about 1 million users of this drug in Russia. Quite sad.

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HeySal

11 years ago

Natural selection at it's most surreal point.

I can't get my head around the idea that someone would intentionally use something they KNEW was going to do this. Once drug users get the word that this is zombie medicine, I think that nobody will touch it.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Natural selection at it's most surreal point.

I can't get my head around the idea that someone would intentionally use something they KNEW was going to do this. Once drug users get the word that this is zombie medicine, I think that nobody will touch it.

That is, if their minds aren't already f^^^ed.

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Originally Posted by HeySal

Natural selection at it's most surreal point.

I can't get my head around the idea that someone would intentionally use something they KNEW was going to do this. Once drug users get the word that this is zombie medicine, I think that nobody will touch it.

I imagine that it is not being marketed as something that will rot you from the inside out, but as a really cool, cheap heroin, and cheap heroin to a heroin addict would be very appealing. I hope word gets out throughout this country so that they DO know what it can do to save some from the consequences.

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Patrician

11 years ago

There are pictures in Google images that show people shooting up that have already started to rot. So it is not that they don't know what will happen. It is that they have to get 'high' no matter what.

I think that is why they say that 'users' have a life expectancy of two years - because they keep using - otherwise with gangrene you just cut off the dead parts and then the person would otherwise go on living sans whatever part. Or maybe they know they have bought the farm anyway, so why not 'party' on.

This is just so depraved I can't get over it. I don't know what to think because if it is just the 'normal' death wish they keep shooting up until they OD usually. But to permanently disfigure yourself and keep doing it just because it is 'cheap'? That is beyond any sickness I could even perceive.

With that said the addiction part is not far off from for example even cigarettes - they tell you it could damage and kill you but we do it anyway - we take the risk and live in denial saying it won't happen to us.

The really scary part is a powdery substance could be sold as anything - not just heroin. I am wondering if you just did it once and stopped, what it would do, for instance if you thought you were snorting cocaine or ecstacy or one of the so-called 'party drugs'...

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tagiscom

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Patrician

There are pictures in Google images that show people shooting up that have already started to rot. So it is not that they don't know what will happen. It is that they have to get 'high' no matter what.

I think that is why they say that 'users' have a life expectancy of two years - because they keep using - otherwise with gangrene you just cut off the dead parts and then the person would otherwise go on living sans whatever part. Or maybe they know they have bought the farm anyway, so why not 'party' on.

This is just so depraved I can't get over it. I don't know what to think because if it is just the 'normal' death wish they keep shooting up until they OD usually. But to permanently disfigure yourself and keep doing it just because it is 'cheap'? That is beyond any sickness I could even perceive.

With that said the addiction part is not far off from for example even cigarettes - they tell you it could damage and kill you but we do it anyway - we take the risk and live in denial saying it won't happen to us.

The really scary part is a powdery substance could be sold as anything - not just heroin. I am wondering if you just did it once and stopped, what it would do, for instance if you thought you were snorting cocaine or ecstacy or one of the so-called 'party drugs'...

Yep, this reminds me of cigarette smokers who after an operation to remove a lung of toes, that have gone gangrene, the first thing they do is light up!!!!!

You are right cigarettes and this stuff could just be a legal way, (well one is) of killing yourself off, without consciously admitting to yourself that that is what you are doing.

Depressing!

I am glad others have reported their Google findings, l won't go near the video or do a search!

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Richard Van

11 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

You are right cigarettes and this stuff could just be a legal way, (well one is) of killing yourself off, without consciously admitting to yourself that that is what you are doing.

This. ^

I read a great book by your fellow countryman Gregory David Peck, Shantaram. I'm sure others have too. I seem to recollect him saying that he used to smoke but doesn't anymore because he knew all he was trying to do was commit suicide slowly and subconsciously.

Ciggys just do it a bit slower for most people than Krokodil. And less horrifically.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Richard Van

This. ^

I read a great book by your fellow countryman Gregory David Peck, Shantaram. I'm sure others have too. I seem to recollect him saying that he used to smoke but doesn't anymore because he knew all he was trying to do was commit suicide slowly and subconsciously.

Ciggys just do it a bit slower for most people than Krokodil. And less horrifically.

I have to admit l like a good cigar, but these days with the go out in the cold if you want to puff on that, because you will give my children cancer, l haven't touched one for a few years.

Seemed a bit silly, going into Melbourne, and smoking one, a few times a year while trying not to cough!

Best to stay with the Cognac, heated up with a candle of course!

Although at $25 dollars, (probably 45 pounds, if l remember my English tv programs) it isn't cheap!

So only on special occasions.

Smoking a ciggie should be ok, if it is rare, so your body has time to recover. Smoking a truckload, so your body can't recover is asking for nasty side effects.

Cheaper also, l saw someone buy a half dozen packs of cigarettes a few days ago and couldn't believe that they costed hin over $200 dollars!

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Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

I have to admit l like a good cigar, but these days with the go out in the cold if you want to puff on that, because you will give my children cancer, l haven't touched one for a few years.

Seemed a bit silly, going into Melbourne, and smoking one, a few times a year while trying not to cough!

Best to stay with the Cognac, heated up with a candle of course!

Although at $25 dollars, (probably 45 pounds, if l remember my English tv programs) it isn't cheap!

So only on special occasions.

Smoking a ciggie should be ok, if it is rare, so your body has time to recover. Smoking a truckload, so your body can't recover is asking for nasty side effects.

Cheaper also, l saw someone buy a half dozen packs of cigarettes a few days ago and couldn't believe that they costed hin over $200 dollars!

Shane

Am I glad I live in Thailand where Marlboro costs 900 baht, about 22 euro for a big pack (200 cigaretes included) and finish within 7 days

My toe's and teeth are still in great shape though

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Patrician

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Richard Van

This. ^

I read a great book by your fellow countryman Gregory David Peck, Shantaram. I'm sure others have too. I seem to recollect him saying that he used to smoke but doesn't anymore because he knew all he was trying to do was commit suicide slowly and subconsciously.

Ciggys just do it a bit slower for most people than Krokodil. And less horrifically.

That is exactly what I have always said. This year I have gone from a pack a day plus (20+) down to 1-5 a day - with a nicotine patch for several months. It is a vicious game of hiding cigs from myself, throwing the packs away, spending a fortune on the patches ($40 for 2 weeks) and I have done Step 1,2,3 probably 10 times (the patches get weaker) It's a vicious game of self-hatred.

This story has me so upset and I can't stop thinking about how sick these poor people are. "God works in mysterious ways" - This is such a horrible illustration of conscious self-destruction (self-mutilation), and of course I am thinking "and you thought you had problems". I have known lots of people with worse problems than I have but it never quite hit home before.

Today I am trying again with NO cigarettes - just the Step 2 patch.

This is just so horrible to imagine someone doing this to themselves - and having to live with the consequences (dying would be easier).

"The girl cried because she had no shoes, until she saw the one that had no feet."

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Originally Posted by Patrician

I am wondering if you just did it once and stopped, what it would do, for instance if you thought you were snorting cocaine or ecstacy or one of the so-called 'party drugs'...

Users inject it, like heroin. It then destroys the veins and skin from the inside out. If this stuff were snorted, the damage would probably be more rapidly fatal. Imagine that type of damage going directly into your nose, through your throat and into your lungs.

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Banned 11 years ago

Thinning the herd.

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HeySal

11 years ago

I stay away from cigs with additives. Did the research - the incidents of cancer from cigs corresponds directly to the amount of additives in them - globally. 60% of men in Japan smoke and they aren't dying of cancer. In the US the cigs are up to 33% additives.

In other studies, aerobically active smokers live as long as non smokers because they push the crap back out of their lungs so it can't build up. Also 2/3 of people in the US with lung cancer never smoked - ever. Also - they have stats for smokers that will get lung cancer............they are the same stats for people who never smoked that get some form of cancer.

I smoke, but I slow way down if I'm not getting enough exercise, and I DON'T smoke crap that's jammed with poisonous additives.

On the other hand, I wouldn't touch 9/10s of the drugs out there now - legal or not. They're making some pretty damned leathal drugs now. Pharms and street drugs.

During the drug craze (1969 - 197?), there were natural drugs on the black market that were bad enough - heroine, morphine, cocaine. Now it's all synthetic. People died then -- they're going to die in groves now.

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Patrician

11 years ago

LOL die in droves not groves, Sal.

The carbon monoxide is still in a cigarette without additives which is what I have smoked for several years.

In particular it is the ACID (nicotine is an acid = nicotinic ACID) that is really messing with my stomach. It is an exact, direct relationship to the symptoms that I have with cigarettes since they go away 90% as I have cut down and still trying to quit.

Cancer is also genetic to a degree - I just watched a video about diet - specifically addictions - the guy has a PhD in nutrition, masters in psychology etc. He just mentioned triggers when speaking of addictions and used the smoking analogy.

He was talking about genetics and environment - ok if he has the gene that says he will be one who gets cancer from smoking, but he doesn't smoke - no problem - (no trigger)

So while all the stuff you said may be true - maybe something about me and my genetics, etc it will hurt me and it won't hurt you - it may not be cancer - it could be emphesema - it could be TB, it could be a heart attack, it could be high blood pressure, it could be losing your teeth or having your toes amputated.

It completely fkcs me up on many different levels - so please don't rationalize why you think it is not true that cigarettes (carbon monoxide, whatever) does not harm and kill people.

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Patrician

11 years ago

Apparently Krokodil has been in the US for about a year - with the DEA saying it is 'no problem' -

Krokodil drug: 2 more cases of suspected in US | Mail Online

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Patrician

Apparently Krokodil has been in the US for about a year - with the DEA saying it is 'no problem' -

Krokodil drug: 2 more cases of suspected in US | Mail Online

Barbara Insley Crouch, the executive director of the Utah Poison Control Center said that the majority of users believe they are buying heroin - when in fact they are injecting the rancid concotion into the bodies.

The sisters claim at first they had no idea they were taking Krokodil - a mixture of codeine and toxic ingredients including gasoline and lighter fluid - thinking it was normal heroin.

^^Exactly as Suzanne suggested.

It's a poor man's drug.

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Patrician

11 years ago

True - but that is more or less irrelevant.

My concern is exactly that WHATEVER they think they are buying/doing they will be putting this stuff in their veins/nose, etc.

They could get this stuff 'thinking' they are buying cheap coke, smack, crack, PCP, MDMA ("ecstacy")- a whole lot of things they consider 'harmless'.

Many times 'unscrupulous' people misrepresent what they are selling - sometimes with plain baking powder or innocuous substance and sometimes with poison.

And duh - if someone starts getting weird sores etc after they shoot up they should be quick to notice it is NOT NORMAL HEROIN and stop using it.

They don't. In this case the girls gave it up after a year when one narrowly was saved from having an arm amputated -

I would think that lighter fluid or gasoline would have a much different high than opium - probably just the opposite of heroin.

So no, I don't buy that at all that they think they are buying heroin after the first time.

Problem is they may never live to try it the second time - this could be the case with cocaine or heroin and certainly this horrible stuff.

Addiction is a neurological thing and it is beyond 'willpower' or 'logic' or even 'fear' - it has a life of it's own. I happen to be reading about food addiction and the scientists are always comparing fat/sugar/salt with heroin/cocaine - apparently fat/sugar/salt is even more difficult to overcome than heroin. The studies of the experiments done on rats in this regard are astounding.

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ExRat

11 years ago

Hi Richard,

I read a great book by your fellow countryman Gregory David Peck, Shantaram. I'm sure others have too. I seem to recollect him saying that he used to smoke but doesn't anymore because he knew all he was trying to do was commit suicide slowly and subconsciously.

Ciggys just do it a bit slower for most people than Krokodil. And less horrifically.

I've never heard of that book, but after winning a few battles myself over the years, I concluded that all/most addiction is a manifestation of a desire for self-destruction.

....................

Hi Patrician,

I seem to remember having a conversation with you in here a few years ago, where I tried to quit smoking but failed.

Well I did it for good just over six months ago (April 13th). I went 'cold turkey' which was um...interesting and showed me just how powerful a nicotine addiction is (I'd been smoking 28 years.)

The only thing I did to assist was allowed myself to suck normal (non-nicotine) sweets. This allowed me to delay giving up a couple of the more Freudian aspects of the addiction until later - IE - the desire to have some form of consumable 'treat' with me at all times (comfort blanket), one which I put in my mouth (Freudian) and possibly gave me a little buzz (sugar.)

I decided beforehand (due to previous failures) that I wouldn't tell myself I had 'done it' until six months of not smoking had gone by.

I then realised a few weeks ago that my consumption of mints was unhealthy (sugar - weight gain and tooth sensitivity) and borderline addiction (I got jumpy when I was close to running out.) So a few weeks ago I gave them up and replaced them with sugar-free gum and my usage of this is not a problem - quantity-wise or addictive behaviour-wise (I can go without, but enjoy having the occasional gum.)

What I find interesting is that despite all of the health-related benefits of quitting smoking, two things which currently seem even more beneficial and noticeable are -

1) the pleasure I get from NOT giving the drug-dealing chancellor of the exchequer the 78% tax I slavishly gave to him on a daily basis when I smoked

2) the self-empowerment I have gained from using my willpower to beat my demons - the reason I gave up the mints was because the new me (who does not smoke and does not tolerate addictions) could not tolerate that kind of addiction, even though it was nothing really in comparison to smoking

.....

I don't know if I can help, but if anyone wants to know more about giving up smoking, please just ask here or via PM if you prefer and I'll tell you as much as I can and see if I can help. It's definitely worth doing and however difficult the recovery phase can be, all of the striving and stress is worth it in my opinion.

And a pox on those who profit from selling these things to impressionable youngsters.

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Patrician

11 years ago

Hi ExRat (and wow the ExSmoker) Congratulations on a major victory! I am so happy for you! I do remember our conversations and I thought you really did understand the darkness. Not many people do and/or will admit it and that says so much about you. You have to FACE the demons before you can conquer them!

In all this time I have only managed to go from a chain smoker (20-30) to a light smoker (5 or under). I have to make it the rest of the way and am coming up at one year end of January where I have really been serious - I just have to find the answer and enforce it on my psyche -- and hope next time we talk I can say I am where you are now!

Keep up the good work and I hope your whole life will continue to get brighter, WARRIOR!!

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ExRat 11 years ago

Hi Patrician,

Thanks for the kind words.

In all this time I have only managed to go from a chain smoker (20-30) to a light smoker (5 or under).

What do you mean, 'only'?!

That's incredible progress, you're almost there. I could never manage that - I was all or nothing. That's 25 you're not smoking.

I will never know how much it helped me, but the day I gave up I decided to write down a list of benefits of giving up. I filled up a sheet of A4 with about 30 things. I kept it to remind me.

If a day comes along that feels like the right one to do it, go for it. Best of luck.
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Patrician

11 years ago

Write-on, ExRat. Yes the lists - so many tangible benefits to stopping, so many dangerous signs to ignore if I keep on. So many lists. So many times.

I think my most 'zen' thought that helps me the most is 'what will happen if you stop' - in other words will your toes fall off? What is it that I am avoiding? You know the opposite of benefits and risks. What is it that I FEAR(?) or refuse to FACE about NOT smoking?

In reading a scientific description of addiction it meshes with what we think we already know. Addictive substances 'substitute' for ' REAL NEEDS. So whatever VOID I am stuffing is too ominous to accept. Still...

(I think it is just plain conformity. Never could stand it).

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by joseph7384

Apparently this drug cause gangrene from the inside out and they say a persons skin starts to look like that of a crocodile.

Flesh-Eating Street Drug

Really, in this day and age, everyone is aware of the dangers of drugs and addictions...so why do kids,teenagers,adults even 'start' using???
I firmly believe, schools should have 'excursions' to hospitals & rehab centres so kids can SEE for themselves what affect drugs, alcohol, cigarettes have on users and their families. PREVENTION I say! Prevent kids from wanting to taste it. Even showing these images of what this 'Krokodile' will do, may be enough to put people off from trying it. And start on the kids EARLY, maybe 8 y/o plus. Don't wait 'til they are 15+.
When I was 8 yrs old, I used to visit the patients at the local Hospice where my Grandmother worked. Here I saw elderly people with various cancers. I would talk to them and me being so young and naive, would ask them how they got cancer. Majority was lung cancer through smoking. I vowed I would never smoke - and I never have (I'm now 45 y/o)
Governments and taxpayers pay for rehab centres etc to help addicts, when they should also concentrate on Prevention. Educating young people not to tread that path, don't allow them to 'become' addicts. Most of the time it's half past late once they become regular users.
I may seem cold hearted here, but when I see addicts cry on about their addiction and blame others for their habit I say to myself "hard luck buddy, NOBODY forced you to use drugs" It was YOUR choice, and you have to wear it. What...as a teen did you use drugs or smoke or get pissed, so you can 'look' cool in front your mates. Yeah, well how cool are you now. Sorry, but no sympathy from me.
My kids are teens, and they have seen and heard all about drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, and it would break my heart should any of them become addicted. But, ultimately they have to bear the consequences of their actions as they are more than aware of the potential dangers. Just saying....

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10 years ago

This is really terrible. Desomorphine is the official name for this drug I believe.

I have checked some images on Google, the images looked disturbing.

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Daniel Evans 10 years ago

There's a lot of pics that circulate showing the destructive properties of Meth, yet there's heavy, daily Meth users far and wide that actually look fine.

I can't judge knowing little about it but the side effects that they usually boast about in the media regularly seem to be worst case scenarios.

I'm sure many people who have smoked tobacco for decades would be shocked at how they'd look if they didn't ever smoke if a legit comparison were possible... Maybe not a viable comparison by any means, but something to consider.
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10 years ago

Wouldn't surprise me if this was put out there purposely to help kill off some of these useless homeless junkies.

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