I'm Selling My Record Collection

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Well, I never thought this day would ever come but I'm selling my record
collection. I'm broke and need the money to put into my business. Hometown
Records from NY is coming to the house on Friday. I'm hoping to get at least
$300 to $500 for everything. I have a lot of rare 45s and albums. Hopefully,
they'll be worth something.

I don't know what I'm more upset about. That I'm selling them, that I have to
sell them or that I don't care that I'm selling them.
  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Why is it a given that you are "upset"?

    Shouldn't you be happy to have something you can sell to finance your business?

    It's trading stuff...for stuff. Priorities change and your choice to keep the records in past years will help you now. That's a good thing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      Why is it a given that you are "upset"?

      Shouldn't you be happy to have something you can sell to finance your business?

      It's trading stuff...for stuff. Priorities change and your choice to keep the records in past years will help you now. That's a good thing.
      There is a lot of sentimental value in those records, especially the ones that I
      bought when I first started collecting them back in 1970. That I haven't listened
      to them in 20 years doesn't take away from the memories.

      But yes, I am grateful (happy is not the word) that I have items in my home
      that I can sell to finance my business. My TMNT collection went for $2,400.

      I just wish I didn't have to do it. That in itself is nothing to be happy about.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
        That's a shame Steven.

        Sure there's not a Copywriting gig or something you could do instead?
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  • Profile picture of the author Horny Devil
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    Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

    I'm broke and need the money to put into my business.
    Isn't that telling you there's something else that's broke.

    It's often unwise to chuck good money after bad. Maybe a change of business or direction?
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
    Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

    I'm hoping to get at least
    $300 to $500 for everything. I have a lot of rare 45s and albums. Hopefully,
    they'll be worth something.
    Steven,

    You might be in a hurry for funds, but you'd get far more for your records if you sold them individually. For your own sake, just run the titles through the "items sold" section in your eBay account to get an idea of the value. I think you'll be surprised.

    Even if you end up listing just 20 or 30, you'll probably get a lot more for those than some dealer will offer you for the whole collection.

    Frank
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by Horny Devil View Post

      Isn't that telling you there's something else that's broke.

      It's often unwise to chuck good money after bad. Maybe a change of business or direction?
      I am starting a new business and chucking the one that didn't work. This
      business WILL work. But I need funds for the software I need for it.

      Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

      Steven,

      You might be in a hurry for funds, but you'd get far more for your records if you sold them individually. For your own sake, just run the titles through the "items sold" section in your eBay account to get an idea of the value. I think you'll be surprised.

      Even if you end up listing just 20 or 30, you'll probably get a lot more for those than some dealer will offer you for the whole collection.

      Frank
      I have no time to list things on Ebay. I need to just dump these and get on
      with my life.
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      • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        I have no time to list things on Ebay. I need to just dump these and get on
        with my life.
        Lol. I thought you needed the money. You're turning down the chance of making a few thousand bucks for maybe one or two days' work, but hey, it's your life.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

          Lol. I thought you needed the money. You're turning down the chance of making a few thousand bucks for maybe one or two days' work, but hey, it's your life.
          I have over 3,000 45s and hundreds of albums. It is NOT one or two days work.
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          • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

            I have over 3,000 45s and hundreds of albums. It is NOT one or two days work.
            Whatever. I'm just saying don't sell yourself short. For that many records, you should expect a lot more than $300-$500.
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            • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
              Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

              Whatever. I'm just saying don't sell yourself short. For that many records, you should expect a lot more than $300-$500.
              I understand that. But to make that kind of money I would have to sell them
              individually. With that large a collection it would become a full time business
              and it would take months to get any decent kind of income. I need the money
              NOW to invest in my business NOW so I can start making some REAL money...

              NOW
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              • Profile picture of the author Thomas Belknap
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                Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                I understand that. But to make that kind of money I would have to sell them
                individually. With that large a collection it would become a full time business
                and it would take months to get any decent kind of income. I need the money
                NOW to invest in my business NOW so I can start making some REAL money...

                NOW
                You sound like a newbie.
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                • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                  Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

                  You sound like a newbie.
                  Hey, whaddya know, I'm starting a new business. I am a newbie.

                  And your point, if you even have one?
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                  • Profile picture of the author Thomas Belknap
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                    Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                    Hey, whaddya know, I'm starting a new business. I am a newbie.

                    And your point, if you even have one?
                    You have a bad attitude. How is that for a point?
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                    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                      Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

                      You have a bad attitude. How is that for a point?
                      I'm having some difficulty in distinguishing the difference between his and yours.

                      Terra
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                      • Profile picture of the author Thomas Belknap
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                        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                        I'm having some difficulty in distinguishing the difference between his and yours.

                        Terra
                        It doesn't surprise me. Should I cheer lead like you or tell the guy he needs to fix his attitude so he can be successful again. I prefer being honest with him because I would like to see him happy.
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                        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                          Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

                          It doesn't surprise me. Should I cheer lead like you
                          Haha! It's engrained in me via training.


                          Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

                          or tell the guy he needs to fix his attitude so he can be successful again. I prefer being honest with him because I would like to see him happy.
                          I'd like to see him happy too, but I'm not quite confident that telling him he has a bad attitude will take him there.

                          Terra
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                          • Profile picture of the author Thomas Belknap
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                            Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                            I'd like to see him happy too, but I'm not quite confident that telling him he has a bad attitude will take him there.

                            Terra
                            Without the right attitude, he won't be successful. I would have thought any successful person would know that.

                            After reading this thread and the other one, he definitely needs an attitude adjustment if he is going to start over. I bet if a newbie came in with the same attitude, successful wags would have said something along the same lines.

                            So, yes, telling him he has a bad attitude can get him along the correct path. It would definitely help him make better decisions. You don't make good decisions when coming from bad places.

                            I really am surprised I need to spell this out.
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                            • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                              Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

                              Without the right attitude, he won't be successful. I would have thought any successful person would know that.

                              After reading this thread and the other one, he definitely needs an attitude adjustment if he is going to start over. I bet if a newbie came in with the same attitude, successful wags would have said something along the same lines.

                              So, yes, telling him he has a bad attitude can get him along the correct path. It would definitely help him make better decisions. You don't make good decisions when coming from bad places.

                              I really am surprised I need to spell this out.
                              I'm thinking seeing a bad attitude is a matter of perspective. Our perspective is our reality.

                              So I'm thinking in your reality, you see a bad attitude.

                              However, in mine, I see a man who has met with some difficulty, is pulling himself up by his bootstraps, is excited to be starting over in a niche that he loves and is passionate about. And due to the excitement and zest is willing to sacrifice things dear to him to get going in it.

                              I have a tendency to see the glass half full.

                              Again, it's a matter of perspective. How's that for spelling it out?

                              Terra
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                            • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
                              Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

                              Without the right attitude, he won't be successful.
                              Unstable people make the best music.
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                            • Profile picture of the author Jacqueline Smith
                              Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

                              Without the right attitude, he won't be successful. I would have thought any successful person would know that.

                              After reading this thread and the other one, he definitely needs an attitude adjustment if he is going to start over. I bet if a newbie came in with the same attitude, successful wags would have said something along the same lines.

                              So, yes, telling him he has a bad attitude can get him along the correct path. It would definitely help him make better decisions. You don't make good decisions when coming from bad places.

                              I really am surprised I need to spell this out.
                              I consider myself to be very compassionate and supportive of others. I spent many, many years working as a social worker and am the 'go to shoulder' in my family and within my circle of friends. That being said....I think being blunt is exactly what is needed sometimes.
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                              • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                                Originally Posted by Jacqueline Smith View Post

                                I consider myself to be very compassionate and supportive of others. I spent many, many years working as a social worker and am the 'go to shoulder' in my family and within my circle of friends. That being said....I think being blunt is exactly what is needed sometimes.
                                And it takes wisdom to know when to be blunt and when not to.

                                My husband and I were counselors for young married couples for 10 years and the most important key to success is in knowing that very thing.

                                Sooo, how about those Lions....:p

                                Terra
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                                • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                                  Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                                  And it takes wisdom to know when to be blunt and when not to.

                                  My husband and I were counselors for young married couples for 10 years and the most important key to success is in knowing that very thing.

                                  Sooo, how about those Lions....:p

                                  Terra
                                  Terra, the nature of forums, because of the anonymity, is that people generally
                                  act like jerks because they can without any consequences. It's why I have
                                  days where I just want to delete my membership from every forum I belong to.

                                  It's the nice people like yourself that keep me around.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author Jacqueline Smith
                                    Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                                    Terra, the nature of forums, because of the anonymity, is that people generally
                                    act like jerks because they can without any consequences. It's why I have
                                    days where I just want to delete my membership from every forum I belong to.

                                    It's the nice people like yourself that keep me around.
                                    I think it's sad you consider someone a jerk because they're not saying what you want to hear. I think you've made your point that you are just looking for sympathy and not advice. Perhaps if you made that clear in your posts you would avoid having to hear what others think.

                                    I can't speak for others on forums....but I know I don't say anything here that I wouldn't say elsewhere.
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                                    • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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                                      Originally Posted by Jacqueline Smith View Post

                                      you are just looking for sympathy and not advice.
                                      Yep, since 2006
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                                      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                                        Originally Posted by lgibbon View Post

                                        Yep, since 2006
                                        This is what I'm talking about. The dynamic duo all over again.

                                        Do I just need to leave this forum altogether to get away from you Les?
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                                • Profile picture of the author Jacqueline Smith
                                  Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                                  And it takes wisdom to know when to be blunt and when not to.

                                  My husband and I were counselors for young married couples for 10 years and the most important key to success is in knowing that very thing.

                                  Sooo, how about those Lions....:p

                                  Terra

                                  You're absolutely right Terra. It depends on the person and the circumstances......and who it's coming from.
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                              • Profile picture of the author Thomas Belknap
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                                Originally Posted by Jacqueline Smith View Post

                                I consider myself to be very compassionate and supportive of others. I spent many, many years working as a social worker and am the 'go to shoulder' in my family and within my circle of friends. That being said....I think being blunt is exactly what is needed sometimes.
                                This place seems to be more and more about cheerleading than actually helping people.


                                For the past year, I have had to balance working on my main project (over a year now on it) while continuing to bring in cashflow for further development and for my own personal needs. It isn't easy. Most businesses fail because of those types of problems.

                                The whole "now" attitude is a really bad one to have if we are talking long term success. Unfortunately, some people are really fragile and can't see past their egos.
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                                • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                                  Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

                                  This place seems to be more and more about cheerleading than actually helping people.


                                  For the past year, I have had to balance working on my main project (over a year now on it) while continuing to bring in cashflow for further development and for my own personal needs. It isn't easy. Most businesses fail because of those types of problems.

                                  The whole "now" attitude is a really bad one to have if we are talking long term success. Unfortunately, some people are really fragile and can't see past their egos.
                                  This has nothing to do with ego. It was suggested that I spent ridiculous
                                  amounts of time selling records on Ebay for a few bucks. That is NOT a
                                  productive use of time. If I figured out my hourly income, it would amount
                                  to $3 an hour, if that.

                                  Make a suggestion that actually makes sense and I'll consider it. Selling
                                  records on Ebay when what I need to be doing is working on my business
                                  is NOT a productive use of my time.

                                  What is it about that, that is so hard to understand?
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                          • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                            Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                            Haha! It's in engrained in me via training.




                            I'd like to see him happy too, but I'm not quite confident that telling him he has a bad attitude will take him there.

                            Terra
                            Terra, when I was making money he insulted me. Now he just has a different
                            reason to do it.

                            Different plot same ending.
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                            • Profile picture of the author Thomas Belknap
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                              Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                              Terra, when I was making money he insulted me. Now he just has a different
                              reason to do it.

                              Different plot same ending.
                              Always the victim.
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                            • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                              Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                              Terra, when I was making money he insulted me. Now he just has a different
                              reason to do it.

                              Different plot same ending.

                              I see.

                              Terra
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                        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                          Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

                          It doesn't surprise me. Should I cheer lead like you or tell the guy he needs to fix his attitude so he can be successful again. I prefer being honest with him because I would like to see him happy.
                          My attitude is fine. I will NOT fail. How many newbies have that kind of
                          confidence? I know what I have to do and intend to do it. How I get the money
                          to do it is inconsequential as long as it doesn't take more time than the money
                          itself is worth. I'm not working ridiculous hours to make a few hundred bucks to
                          pay for software. If I can get what I need by literally giving away what I have
                          then that's fine. My time is more important to me than the money itself. That
                          was an attitude I never had even when I was successful working 14 hour days
                          on things that could have been outsourced. Now I work on what will directly
                          bring me income and I'm not wasting time going through thousands of records
                          when I don't need thousands of dollars. The $300 to $500 I'll get for these will
                          be good enough combined with the other items I'll be selling.

                          For the first time since doing this IM crap I'm actually using my brain for
                          once. It is not a productive use of my time to spend countless hours selling
                          records on Ebay.

                          I would like to think that even a newbie knows that much.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Thomas Belknap
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                            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                            My attitude is fine. I will NOT fail. How many newbies have that kind of
                            confidence? I know what I have to do and intend to do it. How I get the money
                            to do it is inconsequential as long as it doesn't take more time than the money
                            itself is worth. I'm not working ridiculous hours to make a few hundred bucks to
                            pay for software. If I can get what I need by literally giving away what I have
                            then that's fine. My time is more important to me than the money itself. That
                            was an attitude I never had even when I was successful working 14 hour days
                            on things that could have been outsourced. Now I work on what will directly
                            bring me income and I'm not wasting time going through thousands of records
                            when I don't need thousands of dollars. The $300 to $500 I'll get for these will
                            be good enough combined with the other items I'll be selling.

                            For the first time since doing this IM crap I'm actually using my brain for
                            once. It is not a productive use of my time to spend countless hours selling
                            records on Ebay.

                            I would like to think that even a newbie knows that much.
                            Right now you need to balance cash flow and future growth. No money means more of your time. There isn't any way around it.

                            If you can get an extra 500 out of those records, you should be doing that instead of selling and trying to figure out another way to make more money.

                            You may end up selling everything only to realize you are out of things to sell and need more cash. I would say this is more than likely.

                            I wouldn't bet on making "real" money right away with your new business. That is a fools game. Hell, a lot of businesses takes years to become profitable and many are talking along the lines of 10 years.
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                            • Profile picture of the author HeySal
                              Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

                              Right now you need to balance cash flow and future growth. No money means more of your time. There isn't any way around it.

                              If you can get an extra 500 out of those records, you should be doing that instead of selling and trying to figure out another way to make more money.

                              You may end up selling everything only to realize you are out of things to sell and need more cash. I would say this is more than likely.

                              I wouldn't bet on making "real" money right away with your new business. That is a fools game. Hell, a lot of businesses takes years to become profitable and many are talking along the lines of 10 years.

                              Well, Thomas - you are really being a bitch - and I guess I'm gonna have to be one, too, because I agree with you on this one.

                              I was raised to be a good wife and family/home organizer for a high profile husband. I had NO coaching in being independent. Not only that - I've got really, really sucky taste in men. My brain cells went right through my intestines when I saw a handsome guy that made me drool. Costly combination, to be sure. (I put that in the past tense because I need to believe I'm over that idiocy). I sold out everything but a few family heirlooms a few times to foot me through..............and notice, I said a few - because that's where I played the success game really backward and ended up in some real catch 22 that's still making it hard to get and keep my footing.

                              It only hurts to lose stuff the first time.........once you get the hang of the fact that it's all just stuff, it doesn't really bother you anymore. However - once it's all gone - you've got nothing to fall back on. Also true - if you step of the line even an inch, the cycle will repeat itself until that's exactly where you are..........broke with no resources = and that, my friend, is catch 22 and it's a bitch to get out of in this economy. I break my arms patting myself on the back that I've had enough mentality to even keep a roof over my head - and that took help a few times.

                              If you only need a "quick 500" -- then sell a portion of your collection that will get that quick 500 and keep the rest......either keep that or sell it at the upsell price later. If your new business is slow, you'll need the upsell - if it runs fast and strong, you don't lose it "all". If I'd listened to my own advice a few years back (um.....about the time I actually figured it out was a little late) - I'd be pretty well off right now. Oh well - I'll still make out okay in the long run but it's being one royal flaming bitch from hell jumping all the hurdles I could have avoided by knowing how to approach situations the first time around.
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                              • Profile picture of the author Thomas Belknap
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                                Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

                                Well, Thomas - you are really being a bitch - and I guess I'm gonna have to be one, too, because I agree with you on this one.
                                How dare you call me a female dog. :p

                                I break my arms patting myself on the back that I've had enough mentality to even keep a roof over my head - and that took help a few times.
                                You should be proud and I bet it gave you a mental toughness. There were quite a few times where I would have been homeless if I didn't come up with money within 24 hours. I always managed to do it. It definitely was a day to day survival though and I wouldn't have changed that experience for anything. It taught me to believe in myself no matter what happens.

                                Oh well - I'll still make out okay in the long run but it's being one royal flaming bitch from hell jumping all the hurdles I could have avoided by knowing how to approach situations the first time around.
                                You will get there Sal. I am sure of it. Over my life, I have started over a few times and the only thing that has got me through was my attitude with a large dose of stubbornness.

                                There are times I need to kick myself in the ass because of a bad attitude but I have got better at telling when it needs adjusting.
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                                • Profile picture of the author HeySal
                                  Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

                                  How dare you call me a female dog. :p



                                  You should be proud and I bet it gave you a mental toughness. There were quite a few times where I would have been homeless if I didn't come up with money within 24 hours. I always managed to do it. It definitely was a day to day survival though and I wouldn't have changed that experience for anything. It taught me to believe in myself no matter what happens.



                                  You will get there Sal. I am sure of it. Over my life, I have started over a few times and the only thing that has got me through was my attitude with a large dose of stubbornness.

                                  There are times I need to kick myself in the ass because of a bad attitude but I have got better at telling when it needs adjusting.
                                  My problem stemmed from lack of experience in supporting myself and doing business -- and bad taste rather than attitude. Took awhile (waaaaaay too long) to realize that some pretty things should be admired from afar and not touched. LMAO. Some very pretty flowers are just plain toxic.
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                                    Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

                                    My problem stemmed from lack of experience in supporting myself and doing business -- and bad taste rather than attitude. Took awhile (waaaaaay too long) to realize that some pretty things should be admired from afar and not touched. LMAO. Some very pretty flowers are just plain toxic.
                                    LOL - yep. Describes my ex wife perfectly. Pretty but toxic
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                                    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                                      Okay,

                                      I'm getting the feeling that not everyone knows me like those are close to me. Just ask HeySal, lol!

                                      Anyway, just so you know the real me I'm sharing a photo that my sister posted on my Facebook wall that shows the real me and if anyone knows the real you, it's your sister.



                                      Yes, I can shred you to pieces with a good tongue lashing if you push me. They don't call me the Terra-ist for nothing you know.

                                      Most of you have not pushed me and therefore have seen the love and give with all of my heart part. Consider yourself blessed! :p

                                      Terra
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                                      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
                                        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                                        Okay,

                                        I'm getting the feeling that not everyone knows me like those are close to me. Just ask HeySal, lol!

                                        Anyway, just so you know the real me I'm sharing a photo that my sister posted on my Facebook wall that shows the real me and if anyone knows the real you, it's your sister.



                                        Yes, I can shred you to pieces with a good tongue lashing if you push me. They don't call me the Terra-ist for nothing you know.

                                        Most of you have not pushed me and therefore have seen the love and give with all of my heart part. Consider yourself blessed! :p

                                        Terra

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                                  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
                                    Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

                                    <snip>Some very pretty flowers are just plain toxic.
                                    That is a principle of nature. Pretty and highly attractive = venomous.





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                        • Profile picture of the author Horny Devil
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                          Hey Steve, loosen up. You're not the only person on here that has problems. What sort of responses were you expecting if you come on an open forum bemoaning the fact that you feel you've got to sell your beloved record collection?

                          It should be a personal matter to you, and you should deal with it in the best way you can, or with support from family/relatives/friends. If you were asking advice then that's an entirely different matter, but you're not, and it seems you've already got the decisions made in your head - so it's a little unfair to let off heat at guys on here who are simply responding to your predicament with the best intentions.

                          You've got friends here if you need them, and there's a PM facility to use instead of washing your linen in public.

                          Just to keep things in perspective, I know of a warrior member who's child is undergoing critical life-saving surgery for a brain tumour. Another who is being evicted with his young family and will be homeless. And even I've had to endure the recent loss of a young family member, coupled with a tremendous amount of my own personal and family problems. You wont read anything about those misfortunes on these boards.

                          I wish you well anyway. Sounds like you're making a wise move returning to what you do best, and one you should have made a long time ago. We all learn.






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                        • Profile picture of the author hardraysnight
                          huge decision and not an easy one

                          i wish you well

                          pity you never let it be known here

                          i always seem to be buying but seldom selling

                          you know what is best for you
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    Steve, do you have a WSO up for making musical scores for videos?

    Could do a fiverr gig as well for a 30-second or 60-second jingle...they pay by the 30-second chunk.

    Think of some more ways of earning $$ that you would like to do.
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    Is this a metamorphosis process that you have to undergo?
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    Get creative, Steve! When times are tough and you need cash ASAP, it's time to be different!

    Partner with someone who's familiar with ebay listing, and give them a % of sales for them doing the work.

    You'll make more selling individually as said above (think about junkyards parting out cars rather than crushing the whole thing and sending it to a shredder), even with the profit share.

    Could put up a Warrior want ad to find someone. If you need assistance with that let me know.

    But I can hear the frustration even through these posts, and if there is a way around selling your records that would be best.

    BTW how much $$ is the software you want?
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

      Get creative, Steve! When times are tough and you need cash ASAP, it's time to be different!

      Partner with someone who's familiar with ebay listing, and give them a % of sales for them doing the work.

      You'll make more selling individually as said above (think about junkyards parting out cars rather than crushing the whole thing and sending it to a shredder), even with the profit share.

      Could put up a Warrior want ad to find someone. If you need assistance with that let me know.

      But I can hear the frustration even through these posts, and if there is a way around selling your records that would be best.

      BTW how much $$ is the software you want?
      I still need to sink in another $1,000 to $2,000 into my business. I currently
      have $596 in my business account and about $60 in my PayPal account.

      I could send an email to my list to sell some PLR or whatever but my list
      doesn't buy anything from me anymore, thus why I'm dumping "how to make
      money" IM and moving onto the Royalty Free Music Biz. I feel I have a shot
      there if the site I put up is top notch. I have a partner who is going in with
      me. In fact, he just emailed me and I have to get back to him as soon as I
      get back from the dentist.

      I have no doubt this business will take off. I have already laid down 278
      tracks of music since September 4. I work morning, noon and night, just like
      in the old days. But at least now I'm doing something I love.

      I will make this work or I will DIE TRYING.

      Failure is not an option.
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      • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        <snip>

        Failure is not an option.
        Maybe you can do this without a scorched earth policy?
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

          Maybe you can do this without a scorched earth policy?
          I don't know what that means nor do I care. I will do whatever it takes to make
          this succeed.

          Whatever it takes.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
    Steve,

    If you expect to get $300 - $400 for the records, but still need 1 - 2 K for your business, what's your plan for raising the rest?

    Why not a business loan? Home equity line of credit (assuming you own a home)? Another partner, but a money guy/gal? Family member who can loan you the rest?

    Will the money you raise selling the records get you started where you can at least start making money so you can perhaps self-fund?

    Obviously, some of these questions are quite personal and no need to answer them. Just wanted to throw around some ideas in case you have not thought that far ahead yet

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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

      Steve,

      If you expect to get $300 - $400 for the records, but still need 1 - 2 K for your business, what's your plan for raising the rest?

      Why not a business loan? Home equity line of credit (assuming you own a home)? Another partner, but a money guy/gal? Family member who can loan you the rest?

      Will the money you raise selling the records get you started where you can at least start making money so you can perhaps self-fund?

      Obviously, some of these questions are quite personal and no need to answer them. Just wanted to throw around some ideas in case you have not thought that far ahead yet

      Mike
      I'm probably getting another $500 to $1,000 from selling my Magic the Gathering
      collection of cards I have no use for anymore.

      I also have a coin that is worth $200. I know I can get $100 for that easily.

      I have plenty of stuff around the house to sell. It's the record collection
      that has the most sentimental value which is why I posted it here. KimW
      knows how much my records mean to me.

      Thanks for the suggestions.
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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

    I don't know what that means nor do I care. I will do whatever it takes to make
    this succeed.

    Whatever it takes.
    You're funny. You start this thread with a message that sounds like you're sad to be selling your huge record collection for a pittance. Others say, hey you don't have to do that, but your responses are to the effect that you're intent on selling it all in one lump sum at a huge loss. The way you compose music shows that you're a true genius. But you're not acting like a genius here. Sorry.
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  • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
    You probably don't want to make a business of selling $3 records on eBay that would take years to sell. If there are some you know will sell closer to $50-$100 or whatever then go for it on those.

    I do a lot of treasure hunting at garage sales and estate sales and stuff like that. I see a lot of people (I assume resellers) out looking for records to buy. The sales are pricing them at $1 to $3, so that's the price that's getting the buyers out on the street looking. Your .10-.15 average asking price may be low if it's good stuff.
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    My feeling is that you're going to do super well with your new royalty free music business. The sooner the better, so I can boast about knowing you.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    Good luck with your sale Steven. Before the record company comes to buy your records, make sure you look some of them up on ebay to see what they are going for. You'll be able to negotiate a higher price doing that. - And don't be afraid to set a high price, so that you'll have room to negotiate.
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    Hey... how about them Packers?
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    Not to get down on anyone here, but Steven's original post had no questions or queries for any help. This is the off topic forum and he was just telling us how he felt about selling his albums.

    I know what he's going through - it wasn't that long ago that I had to sell a lot of my prized toys to get my business kick-started again in a new direction. It makes you sad and excited at the same time. You're sad to be letting go of great memories, but you're excited for the future.

    Steven I hope you have a future filled with new happiness and a cabinet filled w/ new albums.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      Not to get down on anyone here, but Steven's original post had no questions or queries for any help. This is the off topic forum and he was just telling us how he felt about selling his albums.

      I know what he's going through - it wasn't that long ago that I had to sell a lot of my prized toys to get my business kick-started again in a new direction. It makes you sad and excited at the same time. You're sad to be letting go of great memories, but you're excited for the future.

      Steven I hope you have a future filled with new happiness and a cabinet filled w/ new albums.
      Thank you. That's what burns me up about some of the people here. Yes folks,
      read my original post. Where was I asking for advice or criticism. I was
      simply relaying my feelings about selling my records.

      But some people here just can't help but criticize you for whatever you say
      because it gives them great joy.

      Those are the days that I truly detest the Warrior Forum.
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      • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Thank you. That's what burns me up about some of the people here. Yes folks,
        read my original post. Where was I asking for advice or criticism. I was
        simply relaying my feelings about selling my records.

        But some people here just can't help but criticize you for whatever you say
        because it gives them great joy.

        Those are the days that I truly detest the Warrior Forum.
        You go Steve!

        Give me an S, give me a T, give me an E...

        Oh, that was for Thomas! :p

        Terra
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        • Profile picture of the author Thomas Belknap
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          Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

          You go Steve!

          Give me an S, give me a T, give me an E...

          Oh, that was for Thomas! :p

          Terra
          Wow, my own cheer! I feel all warm and fuzzy now. Thanks Terra, great way to start a day. :p
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Thank you. That's what burns me up about some of the people here. Yes folks,
        read my original post. Where was I asking for advice or criticism. I was
        simply relaying my feelings about selling my records.

        But some people here just can't help but criticize you for whatever you say
        because it gives them great joy.

        Those are the days that I truly detest the Warrior Forum.
        All due respect Steve, you have been here long enough to know and actually expect that when you make a post like you did, people will respond the way they did. Seriously, if it's something you don't want to hear, you really shouldn't post your personal thoughts on a public forum - innocuous as they may be for you - and if you do, you can't really get upset or miffed
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

          All due respect Steve, you have been here long enough to know and actually expect that when you make a post like you did, people will respond the way they did. Seriously, if it's something you don't want to hear, you really shouldn't post your personal thoughts on a public forum - innocuous as they may be for you - and if you do, you can't really get upset or miffed
          Of course I expect it. I've expected it for 7 years now. Doesn't make it right
          and doesn't mean I have to like it.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

          All due respect Steve, you have been here long enough to know and actually expect that when you make a post like you did, people will respond the way they did. Seriously, if it's something you don't want to hear, you really shouldn't post your personal thoughts on a public forum - innocuous as they may be for you - and if you do, you can't really get upset or miffed
          One other thing. I don't mind people giving me advice. Jason PMd me with some
          very good advice. What I don't appreciate is the name calling and criticism.
          That's what's uncalled for.
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          • Profile picture of the author Thomas Belknap
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            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

            very good advice. What I don't appreciate is the name calling and criticism.
            That's what's uncalled for.
            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

            And always the jackass
            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

            Terra, the nature of forums, because of the anonymity, is that people generally
            act like jerks because they can without any consequences. It's why I have
            days where I just want to delete my membership from every forum I belong to.

            It's the nice people like yourself that keep me around.
            The hamster is strong in this one. :rolleyes:
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            • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
              Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

              The hamster is strong in this one. :rolleyes:
              Thomas, why don't you go sit on a tack.
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              • Profile picture of the author Thomas Belknap
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                Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                Thomas, why don't you go sit on a tack.
                Wags, wishing someone physical harm is a terrible thing. Especially to someone who said he wanted to see you happy.

                Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

                I prefer being honest with him because I would like to see him happy.
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                • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                  Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

                  Wags, wishing someone physical harm is a terrible thing. Especially to someone who said previously he wanted to see you happy.
                  Then stop with the insults and snide remarks. You've been doing this to me for
                  7 years. I've had enough of it.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Thomas Belknap
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                    Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                    Then stop with the insults and snide remarks. You've been doing this to me for
                    7 years. I've had enough of it.

                    Steven, typical behavior from you. Whenever someone says something you don't like, you say they are insulting you while you go ahead and call them names. This has been the same way since you came onto this forum. I am not the only person who has said this.
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

            Of course I expect it. I've expected it for 7 years now. Doesn't make it right
            and doesn't mean I have to like it.
            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

            One other thing. I don't mind people giving me advice. Jason PMd me with some
            very good advice. What I don't appreciate is the name calling and criticism.
            That's what's uncalled for.
            I know what you're saying Steve. But I stand by my opinion. You have every reasonable expectation that these are the responses you will get before you post. It's nice you want to share your thoughts, but you have been a very vocal member here for many years. This is the way it is.

            When I worked for Filsaime (and even before I worked for him) I would "set people straight" about things they posted about him or his products, etc. After a while, people simply responded with "guru defender" and similar posts. I understood why they did and it got to the point that I simply stopped. What was the point.

            You have fans. You have detractors. You know what to expect. By now your skin should be much thicker
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
      A couple points if I may:

      1. Even if you didn't ask for advice or sympathy or empathy or anything, once you do post in a public forum, other people can add to (or take away) from the conversation at will. You gave them a chance, an invitation, so to speak by posting here. And regardless of what you did or didn't want to hear, they have the same right to express their feelings (within the rules) as you do. Once you give the "go ahead" by making the post, you give up control over what the next guy may say.

      2. The point a couple people made here, for whatever motivation like they want to help you, they like you, you helped them before so they feel like they owe you, they feel you are part of the "family" or just being a jerk is true. You are coming at this from a point of total desperation. You're willing to sell something that MAY be worth much more and hope you can get $300 out of it because you can do this now and you need the money for your business.

      But if you get what you expect from the record buyer, you've already admitted that's not enough. So then what?

      Yes it's a crap shoot. You may not get an extra dime and have wasted a lot of time and money by putting them on Ebay. Or you may could get what you need PLUS some and then you wouldn't be coming at this from such a desperate spot.

      I know desperation from my past. I know that many times it feels that it's better to get a dollar today than to hope for two tomorrow. I can empathize.

      My main point, and I don't know you really (we've never corresponded, etc.) is that I hope you can get out of your desperate times but not being willing to listen to anybody with a different view makes it that much more difficult to leave the difficult place. I know from experience.

      Best of luck to you.

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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

        A couple points if I may:

        1. Even if you didn't ask for advice or sympathy or empathy or anything, once you do post in a public forum, other people can add to (or take away) from the conversation at will. You gave them a chance, an invitation, so to speak by posting here. And regardless of what you did or didn't want to hear, they have the same right to express their feelings (within the rules) as you do. Once you give the "go ahead" by making the post, you give up control over what the next guy may say.

        2. The point a couple people made here, for whatever motivation like they want to help you, they like you, you helped them before so they feel like they owe you, they feel you are part of the "family" or just being a jerk is true. You are coming at this from a point of total desperation. You're willing to sell something that MAY be worth much more and hope you can get $300 out of it because you can do this now and you need the money for your business.

        But if you get what you expect from the record buyer, you've already admitted that's not enough. So then what?

        Yes it's a crap shoot. You may not get an extra dime and have wasted a lot of time and money by putting them on Ebay. Or you may could get what you need PLUS some and then you wouldn't be coming at this from such a desperate spot.

        I know desperation from my past. I know that many times it feels that it's better to get a dollar today than to hope for two tomorrow. I can empathize.

        My main point, and I don't know you really (we've never corresponded, etc.) is that I hope you can get out of your desperate times but not being willing to listen to anybody with a different view makes it that much more difficult to leave the difficult place. I know from experience.

        Best of luck to you.

        Mark
        Thank you. I appreciate the constructive and actually helpful post. My
        decision on selling to a dealer instead of individuals on Ebay came from much
        thought about the pros and cons of each. Ultimately, what it came down to
        was not wanting to spend countless weeks or even months on something
        that may turn into no money at all when I could be spending that time
        actually working on my business.

        Since Sept 4 of this year I have laid down 280 tracks of music.

        Do you think I could have done that if I was spending all this time sorting
        through records and making posts on Ebay? Please, give me a little credit
        for learning at least something from 10 years of marketing online. There
        comes a point where it doesn't pay to put in the time needed to do something.

        The $300 to $500 that I get from selling my records to this dealer will pay
        for one more piece of software and maybe two. And if he offers me 50 bucks
        I'll show him the door and tell him to leave. I will not give my collection away.
        So I'm not so desperate as to be totally stupid. I know what I'm willing to
        accept for this collection and won't accept a penny less. If it doesn't work
        out I've wasted an hour of my time instead of weeks or maybe months.

        That to me is being smart and not being a newb or having a bad attitude as
        others have pointed out.

        My new business will absolutely no doubt be a success. Tell me that's a newb
        talking.

        I just wish people would give me a little credit for having some intelligence
        after 10 years of this.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
    Steve, I know you're dead set to sell your collection to the dealer and to avoid eBay like the plague. Have you considered, however, cherry picking your collection and selling a few of the higher value items on eBay for a better margin? Surely, five or ten albums wouldn't be a massive amount of time.

    You don't need to respond, just something to think about.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

      Steve, I know you're dead set to sell your collection to the dealer and to avoid eBay like the plague. Have you considered, however, cherry picking your collection and selling a few of the higher value items on eBay for a better margin? Surely, five or ten albums wouldn't be a massive amount of time.

      You don't need to respond, just something to think about.
      The problem is, I don't have any one record that's worth more than $20. It's
      the bulk that's going to bring me money. If I had some real collectors items,
      like a first pressing of a rare obscure LP, hell, I'd just sell that and be done with
      it.

      In order to make the $300 to $500 I need, I'd have to sell at least 50 of
      the records I have. The amount of time it's going to take me to list, mail
      and then even collect the money from each individual buyer simply makes it
      not a feasible alternative. Believe me, I've done that math. I know what I
      have. I don't have those "OMG, I gotta have this" records. But a collection
      of thousands of 45s and hundreds of albums combined is going to bring me
      enough cash to finance most of what I need. My Magic cards and rare coins
      will take care of the rest and it'll do it without me having to spend more than
      maybe a total of 6 hours combined on all 3.

      I am not going to make $1,000 for 6 hours work anywhere else.

      At least I am taking action. I have a plan. I know what I need to do and am
      going to do it.

      And yet, nobody wants to give me credit for that. All they want to do is
      call me a noob and tell me I have a bad attitude because they get some
      perverse pleasure out of doing so.

      Well screw that.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        The problem is, I don't have any one record that's worth more than $20. It's
        the bulk that's going to bring me money. If I had some real collectors items,
        like a first pressing of a rare obscure LP, hell, I'd just sell that and be done with
        it.

        In order to make the $300 to $500 I need, I'd have to sell at least 50 of
        the records I have. The amount of time it's going to take me to list, mail
        and then even collect the money from each individual buyer simply makes it
        not a feasible alternative. Believe me, I've done that math. I know what I
        have. I don't have those "OMG, I gotta have this" records. But a collection
        of thousands of 45s and hundreds of albums combined is going to bring me
        enough cash to finance most of what I need. My Magic cards and rare coins
        will take care of the rest and it'll do it without me having to spend more than
        maybe a total of 6 hours combined on all 3.

        I am not going to make $1,000 for 6 hours work anywhere else.

        At least I am taking action. I have a plan. I know what I need to do and am
        going to do it.

        And yet, nobody wants to give me credit for that. All they want to do is
        call me a noob and tell me I have a bad attitude because they get some
        perverse pleasure out of doing so.

        Well screw that.
        Easy, Steve. That wasn't my intention. I was simply concerned that you may not be seeing the forest for the trees in your excitement to get your business running. I just assumed that someone who has been collecting since the 70's might have a few higher dollar items. If yours all run in the $20 range, by all means sell them as a lot.

        Most people in this thread are simply trying to look out for you. For whatever reason, they want the best for you. What you're seeing as an attack on your person is actually quite a blessing.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

          Easy, Steve. That wasn't my intention. I was simply concerned that you may not be seeing the forrest for the trees in your excitement to get your business running. I just assumed that someone who has been collecting since the 70's might have a few higher dollar items. If yours all run in the $20 range, by all means sell them as a lot.

          Most people in this thread are simply trying to look out for you. For whatever reason, they want the best for you. What you're seeing as an attack on your person is actually quite a blessing.
          Believe me, I've seen the forest, the trees and the ants crawling on the ground.
          I have given this whole thing a crap ton of thought. I'm not just diving into this.

          I even went as far as getting a partner. For the first time in 10 years I'm
          actually going to be building a business with another person. Yes, that means
          50% of the profits instead of 100%. But what he's contributing to this venture
          is priceless to me because it's all the things that I'm terrible at such as site
          design and technical stuff. He's going to take care of all of that and I'm going
          to write the music. And the best part is he's a musician as well so he can
          advise me on certain tracks if he thinks they need to be improved or changed
          in some way.

          This venture will absolutely succeed. There is no doubt. I just need some cash
          to get me the last pieces of software I need to do this properly, something
          that 10 years ago I would have cringed at as I never spent a dime on my
          business being such a cheap ass. I've already plunked over $5,000 into this
          venture. For once, I'm doing this the right way.

          If people are trying to help by calling me a noob and telling me I have a bad
          attitude they sure have a funny way of showing it.
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            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

            If people are trying to help by calling me a noob and telling me I have a bad attitude they sure have a funny way of showing it.

            Notice I said most people.

            If you recall your earlier thread, you did have a bad attitude. You've come around a bit since then. Having a purpose will do that to a man.
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            • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
              Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

              Notice I said most people.

              If you recall your earlier thread, you did have a bad attitude. You've come around a bit since then. Having a purpose will do that to a man.
              If you're referring to the thread I posted several weeks ago, yes, I was in a bad
              place. I had the answers to my problems right in front of me and couldn't see
              them because I was so pissed off. Now I have a clear plan.

              So again, what in this thread by simply posting that I was selling my records
              and a little sad about it makes me out to be a noob and have a bad attitude?

              That's what pisses me off about this place and certain people who have
              literally been ragging on me for 7 years.

              I'm tired of it and won't stand for it anymore.
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              • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
                Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                That's what pisses me off about this place and certain people who have
                literally been ragging on me for 7 years.

                I'm tired of it and won't stand for it anymore.
                LOL - 7 years and they aren't in your ignore list?

                Trust me - that is a VERY useful feature
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                • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                  Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

                  Steve - if all you can focus on in this thread is someone saying it seemed like a newbie move to sell everything in bulk (because they at that time didn't have all the information) then you should probably leave this thread alone. You weren't called a noob. You took it that way based on comments and advice.

                  What I said earlier about a thicker skin? Take that to heart. You've blown this out of proportion.

                  Again - no offense intended. But there was a lot of good and useful advice from many caring people, but you keep pointing to the one negative thing. Let it go my friend.

                  Mike
                  Fine, I'm letting it go if everybody else will do the same. I prefer moving on
                  to more productive discussion.
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                  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
                    Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                    Fine, I'm letting it go if everybody else will do the same. I prefer moving on
                    to more productive discussion.
                    Now that's what I'm talking about!
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                • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                  Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

                  LOL - 7 years and they aren't in your ignore list?

                  Trust me - that is a VERY useful feature
                  I've tried it. But then other members just quote them and I end up seeing all
                  the nastiness anyway, so it doesn't work.

                  What too me by surprise is that most of the ragging went on in General
                  Discussion when I'd be talking about marketing tactics. Since staying in OT
                  now almost entirely, it's stopped. So when a certain person made it his
                  business to seek me out just to rag on me here, that's what set me off.

                  But it's dropped. I'm done with this conversation. I'm selling my records, IF I
                  can get a good price for them and that's it. End of story.
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              • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
                Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                If you're referring to the thread I posted several weeks ago, yes, I was in a bad
                place. I had the answers to my problems right in front of me and couldn't see
                them because I was so pissed off. Now I have a clear plan.

                So again, what in this thread by simply posting that I was selling my records
                and a little sad about it makes me out to be a noob and have a bad attitude?

                That's what pisses me off about this place and certain people who have
                literally been ragging on me for 7 years.

                I'm tired of it and won't stand for it anymore.
                Again, Steve, you're reading something into my words that I didn't put there. Outside of one person, I don't see anyone "attacking" you in this thread. What I see are mostly people wanting the best for you and offering advice. Maybe that advice wasn't asked for. Strange, but that's usually the best kind of advice one gets.

                Having said that, you appear to have reviewed the angles. Now get that vinyl sold and get back to work. And quit checking this thread. It doesn't appear to be a constructive use of time.
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              • Profile picture of the author Thomas Belknap
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                Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                That's what pisses me off about this place and certain people who have
                literally been ragging on me for 7 years.

                I'm tired of it and won't stand for it anymore.
                I did a search on both of our names and didn't come across any posts where I was ragging on you. I know of only one time were we had a disagreement like in this thread.

                Please post some links to this behavior you continue to accuse me of. It shouldn't be too hard since, from what it seems, there should be a lot of them.

                In fact, in my search, I came across a post where you were temporarily banned for calling others names. I wasn't involved besides the fact that I said it didn't sound like you and you were probably just having a bad day. Sounds terrible, I know.

                Most other threads that popped up were mainly joking back and forth.

                So put up some proof Steven.
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                • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                  Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

                  I did a search on both of our names and didn't come across any posts where I was ragging on you. I know of only one time were we had a disagreement like in this thread.

                  Please post some links to this behavior you continue to accuse me of. It shouldn't be too hard since, from what it seems, there should be a lot of them.

                  In fact, in my search, I came across a post where you were temporarily banned for calling others names. I wasn't involved besides the fact that I said it didn't sound like you and you were probably just having a bad day. Sounds terrible, I know.

                  Most other threads that popped up were mainly joking back and forth.

                  So put up Steven.
                  The thread I was banned for was when Michael Jackson died and a number
                  of members here were pouring dirt on his grave. I thought it was uncalled for
                  and called them all a bunch of jerks. That's why I was banned. If it happened
                  again with somebody else, I'd do the same thing. There is no reason to dump
                  on somebody right after they just died. It was in terrible poor taste.

                  As for our problems, those threads all ended up getting deleted, admittedly
                  mostly because I got so pissed off from the ragging that I turned them into
                  all out wars.

                  I am not blameless in this. I should have a thicker skin as Michael said. That's
                  on me. But it doesn't excuse some of the things that have been said to me
                  over the years.

                  In your defense, it has been some time since we've had words, mostly
                  because I just don't bother going to main discussion anymore. I have nothing
                  to offer to this forum anymore in the way of advice as my own business has
                  turned to dust. How many successful marketers have ever come here to even
                  admit that? Trust me, I could tell you stories that I got first hand about many
                  successful marketers who have crashed and burned. But none of them ever
                  came here to bare their soul.

                  At least I am trying to pick myself up and rebuild without looking for any
                  handouts. I've admitted my mistakes (putting all my eggs in one basket) and
                  am moving on.

                  If you want to offer me constructive advice, offer me constructive advice.
                  I've explained my reasoning for not wanting to sell my records on Ebay. It's
                  just not cost effective because of the time involved. You don't have to agree
                  with me but you don't need to call me a noob either or say I have a bad
                  attitude because I don't want to do things in a certain way. I've thought
                  this all out. I know what I'm doing. I know it will work.

                  I don't know what else I can say.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Thomas Belknap
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                    Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                    The thread I was banned for was when Michael Jackson died and a number
                    of members here were pouring dirt on his grave. I thought it was uncalled for
                    and called them all a bunch of jerks. That's why I was banned. If it happened
                    again with somebody else, I'd do the same thing. There is no reason to dump
                    on somebody right after they just died. It was in terrible poor taste.

                    As for our problems, those threads all ended up getting deleted, admittedly
                    mostly because I got so pissed off from the ragging that I turned them into
                    all out wars.

                    I am not blameless in this. I should have a thicker skin as Michael said. That's
                    on me. But it doesn't excuse some of the things that have been said to me
                    over the years.

                    In your defense, it has been some time since we've had words, mostly
                    because I just don't bother going to main discussion anymore. I have nothing
                    to offer to this forum anymore in the way of advice as my own business has
                    turned to dust. How many successful marketers have ever come here to even
                    admit that? Trust me, I could tell you stories that I got first hand about many
                    successful marketers who have crashed and burned. But none of them ever
                    came here to bare their soul.

                    At least I am trying to pick myself up and rebuild without looking for any
                    handouts. I've admitted my mistakes (putting all my eggs in one basket) and
                    am moving on.

                    If you want to offer me constructive advice, offer me constructive advice.
                    I've explained my reasoning for not wanting to sell my records on Ebay. It's
                    just not cost effective because of the time involved. You don't have to agree
                    with me but you don't need to call me a noob either or say I have a bad
                    attitude because I don't want to do things in a certain way. I've thought
                    this all out. I know what I'm doing. I know it will work.

                    I don't know what else I can say.
                    Steven, you keep accusing me of targeting you or seeing you out on this forum in order to make fun of you. I would expect someone who makes accusations like that to be able to substantiate them.

                    I offered you what I thought you needed. I am not here to cater to your ego which is why I didn't respond in your other thread. Honestly, I wish I would have got the same advice I have been saying in this thread before I started a big project. It would have saved me a lot of time, money and stress.

                    You got caught up by bad decisions. You thought you could retire and the money would be coming in instead of diversifying your business so when something bad happens it doesn't all crumble down.

                    It happens to a lot of people and there isn't any reason to feel bad about it. It isn't a bad thing as long as you don't continue to make the same mistakes.

                    I never said anything bad about it nor do I take pleasure in seeing anyone suffer. I never got banned for calling names. You did. That is why I want proof from you when you continue to make accusations like that.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                      Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

                      Steven, you keep accusing me of targeting you out on this forum in order to make fun of you. I would expect someone who makes accusations like that to be able to substantiate them.

                      I offered you what I thought you needed. I am not here to cater to your ego which is why I didn't respond in your other thread. Honestly, I wish I would have got the same advice I have been saying in this thread before I started a big project. It would have saved me a lot of time, money and stress.

                      You got caught up by bad decisions. You thought you could retire and the money would be coming in instead of diversifying your business so when something bad happens it doesn't all crumble down.

                      It happens to a lot of people and there isn't any reason to feel bad about it. It isn't a bad thing as long as you don't continue to make the same mistakes.

                      I never said anything bad about it nor do I take pleasure in seeing anyone suffer. I never got banned for calling names. You did. That is why I want proof from you when you continue to make accusations like that.
                      Okay Thomas, you're right, I'm wrong. My apologies.

                      Moving on.
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

            If people are trying to help by calling me a noob and telling me I have a bad
            attitude they sure have a funny way of showing it.
            Steve - if all you can focus on in this thread is someone saying it seemed like a newbie move to sell everything in bulk (because they at that time didn't have all the information) then you should probably leave this thread alone. You weren't called a noob. You took it that way based on comments and advice.

            What I said earlier about a thicker skin? Take that to heart. You've blown this out of proportion.

            Again - no offense intended. But there was a lot of good and useful advice from many caring people, but you keep pointing to the one negative thing. Let it go my friend.

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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    I wish you all the best. Glad you followed my advice - LOL - from the
    other thread and are doing something with your passion.

    Of course you don't have to write more about your personal
    finances here. But, I think some people don't have enough information,
    and are coming from the perspective that a few hundred, or a
    couple of grand, may not be enough to carry you until your
    business cash flows. Although it's a blank, we don't know,
    or need to know, what your wife makes or how many other
    assets you have or don't have. I'm just sayin' all thread participants
    should be aware of this information gap.

    Many, myself included, have been there and done that.
    Started a business with little cash or savings and assumed
    it would cash flow when we needed it to cash flow. Recklessly
    disregarding when, if ever it would actually start making money.

    Again, good luck.

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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
    I have no idea what an average 45 sells for these days, I'm thinking at least $1 for each record If they buy the whole lot. Surely a retro record store could double their money & at least average $2 per record when they're ready to sell.

    I wouldn't sell out a large record collection for pennies on the dollar.

    Sell the lawnmower then you won't have to mow the yard, lol.
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    • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      I have no idea what an average 45 sells for these days, I'm thinking at least $1 for each record If they buy the whole lot. Surely a retro record store could double their money & at least average $2 per record when they're ready to sell.

      I wouldn't sell out a large record collection for pennies on the dollar.

      Sell the lawnmower then you won't have to mow the yard, lol.
      The value depends on the disk. If it's in very good to mint condition and in demand, upwards of $10 would be the average and more for certain artists. Wish I knew some of the titles. One thing I do know, whatever the offer, the buyer will be getting at least 10x that much retail.
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      • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
        Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

        The value depends on the disk. If it's in very good to mint condition and in demand, upwards of $10 would be the average and more for certain artists. Wish I knew some of the titles. One thing I do know, whatever the offer, the buyer will be getting at least 10x that much retail.
        I finally sold a large chunk of my vinyl collection a few years ago. I had quite a few LPs that fetched in excess of $50 each. My biggest sale was the equivalent of around $500 for an original David Bowie debut LP on Deram. I also sold a ton of original punk 45s for over $20 each.

        I'd say the whole lot went for over $30,000 all told.

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        • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
          Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

          I sold a chunk of my vinyl collection a few years ago. I had quite a few LPs that fetched in excess of $50 each. My biggest sale was the equivalent of around $500 for an original David Bowie debut LP on Deram. I also sold a ton of original punk 45s for over $20 each.

          I'd say the whole lot went for over $30,000 all told.

          Frank
          I know. I sold some media stuff on eBay this summer. No records but some popular movies and video games. I was blown away at how much some of this stuff gets.

          I sold a piece of sheet music from the 1960s. Bend Me Shape Me by the American Breed. In "good" condition. It brought in $8. Steve's a baby boomer with good taste in music. I'd imagine his collection in in great shape. Maybe he'll come public with the offer and I'll beat it by $100 or so. I have no problem listing 20 - 30 hot titles a day.
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          • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
            Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

            I sold a piece of sheet music from the 1960s. Bend Me Shape Me by the American Breed. In "good" condition. It brought in $8.
            Cool. That song was a big hit in the UK for Amen Corner (with different verse lyrics).

            Steve's a baby boomer with good taste in music. I'd imagine his collection in in great shape. Maybe he'll come public with the offer and I'll beat it by $100 or so. I have no problem listing 20 - 30 hot titles a day.
            Ha. You might find yourself in a bidding war.

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    Note to mods: Please leave the thread open until we at least hear how much the records sold for.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Hey thanks, TB. You just shredded all my girl dreams.

    Guess I better hope someone loves my personality, huh?
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Update: This is exactly why I don't want to sell individual records on Ebay

      I just spent 6 hours going through a portion of my Magic card collection. I came
      up with 220 cards worth a total of about $2,100.

      If I tried to sell them individually on Ebay, it would take me months. Forget
      about all the postage and trips to the post office.

      Tomorrow, I can take the whole bunch of 220 cards to my friend Steve (he
      owns a card store) and he'll give me 50% of the book value or about $1,000.

      I'll take $1,000 for 6 hours of work. I will NOT take $2,100 for months of work.

      I truly don't understand how people can't see that this is not a productive
      use of my time. But whatever. My cards alone will pay for my software and I
      won't even have to sell my records if I don't want to. So if the guy doesn't
      give me an offer I can live with I'll simply show him the door.

      As far as I'm concerned, it's a win-win.
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      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Hey thanks, TB. You just shredded all my girl dreams.

      Guess I better hope someone loves my personality, huh?
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Well, God really does work in mysterious ways. The software that I need just
        happened to be on sale today. So I just got about $1,200 worth of software
        for a little under $700. Tomorrow I'll go to my friend Steve's store and get my
        $1,000 minimum and still be $300 in the black.

        Maybe my positive attitude is turning things around for me.
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        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
          Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

          Well, God really does work in mysterious ways. The software that I need just
          happened to be on sale today. So I just got about $1,200 worth of software
          for a little under $700. Tomorrow I'll go to my friend Steve's store and get my
          $1,000 minimum and still be $300 in the black.

          Maybe my positive attitude is turning things around for me.
          That's awesome, Steve!

          Whoo Hoo!

          I'm happy for you!

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        • Profile picture of the author HeySal
          Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

          Well, God really does work in mysterious ways. The software that I need just
          happened to be on sale today. So I just got about $1,200 worth of software
          for a little under $700. Tomorrow I'll go to my friend Steve's store and get my
          $1,000 minimum and still be $300 in the black.

          Maybe my positive attitude is turning things around for me.

          Didn't see that before I typed my answer. Seems you have more karma credits than I did.

          Good going, guy!
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    I understand what you are saying, Steve. My perspective was totally been there, done that, got the t-shirt - and really messed me up in the long run. Do what you feel is right - but I can't agree, because that's the SAME thing that threw me off the horse. Maybe you'll have better luck than I did.
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      ... because that's the SAME thing that threw me off the horse...
      But you never ever were down and out. You always jumped right back up in the saddle and rode again. Sure it was a bucking bronco at times, but never, ever, did it keep you down! Ever!!

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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Steven,
    I have only scanned the thread,but I understand your situation. Did you sell them yet?
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Steven,
      I have only scanned the thread,but I understand your situation. Did you sell them yet?
      The guy is coming on Friday. In the meantime I should be getting about a grand
      for my Magic cards tomorrow so that'll help a lot.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Well, the guy came and went and gave me $60 for a handful of records. There
        was almost nothing I had (no matter how obscure) that he wanted. So most of
        my hard to find 45s are still here. What he was mostly looking for was old R&B,
        soul, stuff like that.
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    Do you have a record store like Wax Trax that buys?

    Wax Trax Records
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    Steven - have you thought about converting your favorites to mp3 before you sell them? I'm not sure of the legality of it, but my uncle gave me his entire record collection on a hard-drive one year for Christmas.
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  • Profile picture of the author darren13
    I haven't been on the Warrior Forum for a while but its odd to see very senior and respected warriors having it out online. Steve i have followed you on here for a long time and i have even bought some of your products.

    Your a wiser and more respected warrior than me but this is a public forum and everyone here is entitled to voice there opinion. If we all worried about what people thought about us we wouldn't get out of bed in the morning.

    I feel sorry that you have hit on hard times and need to sell your collections. I wish you all the best but i do agree with others on here. You shouldn't sell what you love in haste.

    But in fairness you seem to have the situation analysed so whatever your gut tells you. Its your decision. Hope your new venture works out.
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  • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
    All I can say is......



    Where is the old Steven at? Don't let a few spoilers get you upset and give it right back at them.
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    • Profile picture of the author Thomas Belknap
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      Jesus, I think I've seen it all now. A homeless guy who looks like he hasn't touched soap in a year trying to be a comedian.

      How about you stop boozing it up and add something to the community by writing a few informational threads.

      Some subjects you could probably contribute.

      How to spot the good garbage dumps.
      How to get rid of mold in those unsightly places.
      How your moustache can catch food for later days (ie... Saying no to naptkins can save your life).
      How to clean your teeth with recyclable cans (my favorite because you can also promote something good for the environment).
      Say no to tanning beds and yes to dirt!
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

        Jesus, I think I've seen it all now. A homeless guy who looks like he hasn't touched soup in a year trying to be a comedian.

        How about you stop boozing it up and add something to the community by writing a few informational threads.

        Some subjects you could probably contribute.

        How to spot the good garbage dumps.
        How to get rid of mold in those unsightly places.
        How your moustache can catch food for later days (ie... Saying no to naptkins can save your life).
        How to clean your teeth with recyclable cans (my favorite because you can also promote something good for the environment).
        Say no to tanning beds and yes to dirt!
        You know what Thomas? In the grand scheme of things, this is all so
        unimportant. Tim Pears needs a kidney and is essentially fighting for his life.

        That's important. This isn't.

        I was sad about selling my record collection that I didn't even sell. And now,
        I don't even care. I'm working on my new business and that's my only focus.

        Everything else is just trivial nonsense, including this stupid thread.
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        • Profile picture of the author Thomas Belknap
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          Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

          You know what Thomas? In the grand scheme of things, this is all so
          unimportant. Tim Pears needs a kidney and is essentially fighting for his life.

          That's important. This isn't.

          I was sad about selling my record collection that I didn't even sell. And now,
          I don't even care. I'm working on my new business and that's my only focus.

          Everything else is just trivial nonsense, including this stupid thread.
          I agree but what does this have to do with me?
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      • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
        Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

        Jesus, I think I've seen it all now. A homeless guy who looks like he hasn't touched soup in a year trying to be a comedian.

        How about you stop boozing it up and add something to the community by writing a few informational threads.

        Some subjects you could probably contribute.

        How to spot the good garbage dumps.
        How to get rid of mold in those unsightly places.
        How your moustache can catch food for later days (ie... Saying no to naptkins can save your life).
        How to clean your teeth with recyclable cans (my favorite because you can also promote something good for the environment).
        Say no to tanning beds and yes to dirt!
        May I ask, who or what are you responding to here? Thanks.
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        • Profile picture of the author Thomas Belknap
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          Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

          May I ask, who or what are you responding to here? Thanks.
          Hmm, I thought it was pretty obvious. What does this have to do with you?
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          • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
            Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

            Hmm, I thought it was pretty obvious. What does this have to do with you?
            Nothing at all to do with me. I just didn't understand it, and got nosy. If it is obvious, I guess I'm just being dense here, lol.
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            • Profile picture of the author Thomas Belknap
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              Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

              Nothing at all to do with me. I just didn't understand it, and got nosy. If it is obvious, I guess I'm just being dense here, lol.
              haha No worries. Let's just say, some guy which we will call Joseph changed his picture mighty quickly.
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              • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
                Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

                haha No worries. Let's just say, some guy which we will call Joseph changed his picture mighty quickly.
                Nope, still the same avatar.
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                • Profile picture of the author Thomas Belknap
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                  Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

                  Nope, still the same avatar.
                  Seems like you can't make up your mind which avatar to pick. I recommend the younger version you quickly posted. It makes you look cleaner. I just do this to help, because, "Who loves ya baby?"
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                  • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
                    Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

                    Seems like you can't make up your mind which avatar to pick. I recommend the younger version you quickly posted. It makes you look cleaner. I just do this to help, because, "Who loves ya baby?"

                    Your Avatar is not recent, why don't you update it.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Thomas Belknap
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                      Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

                      Your Avatar is not recent, why don't you update it.
                      I actually look better after a couple years in the gym. I just don't want everyone to get distracted from the beauty of my enhanced bald head.

                      Why did you go back and change your post where you called Leslie and me names? Seems kind of dishonest.
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                      • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
                        Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

                        I actually look better after a couple years in the gym. I just don't want everyone to get distracted from the beauty of my enhanced bald head.

                        Why did you go back and change your post where you called me and Leslie names? Seems kind of dishonest.
                        It's not dishonest and I wasn't going to keep it up for long, it was meant as a statement to Steven to grow some skin and dish it back out.

                        Honestly I have no quarrel with you, I thought that you would find it humorous in light of the baldness, but you lashed out with some unsubstantiated claims.

                        But with me, I can dish it out just as quick as it comes my way.

                        Anyway like I said, no hard feelings.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Thomas Belknap
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                          Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

                          It's not dishonest and I wasn't going to keep it up for long, it was meant as a statement to Steven to grow some skin and dish it back out.

                          Honestly I have no quarrel with you, I thought that you would find it humorous in light of the baldness, but you lashed out with some unsubstantiated claims.

                          But with me, I can dish it out just as quick as it comes my way.

                          Anyway like I said, no hard feelings.
                          Nah, I don't take any of this stuff seriously. It does look like you took it serious which is funny since you dished it out first. Either way, it's all good with me. A little entertainment while working is always fun.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
                            Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

                            Seeing Dennis' avatar of him holding a gerbil.
                            You must have forgotten about this picture...
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                            Just when you think you've got it all figured out, someone changes the rules.

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      • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
        Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

        Jesus, I think I've seen it all now. A homeless guy who looks like he hasn't touched soup in a year trying to be a comedian.
        Listen here Kojack, I shower regularly and I don't touch alcohol and where do you even get the homeless comment from.

        If you think I'm homeless, you're sadly mistaken.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Well, she is a smart girl. It might be for the better.
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    • Profile picture of the author Thomas Belknap
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      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      Well, she is a smart girl. It might be for the better.
      I've been telling my dog he is old enough to start working and helping out. He just sits there with his head cocked to the side looking like he doesn't understand me. Then plays dead until I leave the room.

      I can't help but feel I have been played.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

        I've been telling my dog he is old enough to start working and helping out. He just sits there with his head cocked to the side looking like he doesn't understand me. Then plays dead until I leave the room.
        Sounds like he has you trained just the way he wants.
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        • Profile picture of the author Thomas Belknap
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          Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

          Sounds like he has you trained just the way he wants.

          The ironic thing is I used the same technique on my ex-wife.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by Ma58rc View Post

      Sure there's not a Copywriting gig or something you could do instead?
      I'm done with that stuff. You don't just get copywriting gigs. I'm a no name in
      the copywriting field. When I quote people $300 for a sales page they don't
      even bother getting back to me.

      I'm making a royalty free music site and I'm going to make it work. I will
      eventually be one of the biggest names in the field and marketers will come to
      ME for custom scores.

      THAT is my goal. THAT is what WILL happen.

      Failure is not an option at all.

      I will succeed or die trying.
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      • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        I'm done with that stuff. You don't just get copywriting gigs. I'm a no name in
        the copywriting field. When I quote people $300 for a sales page they don't
        even bother getting back to me.

        I'm making a royalty free music site and I'm going to make it work. I will
        eventually be one of the biggest names in the field and marketers will come to
        ME for custom scores.

        THAT is my goal. THAT is what WILL happen.

        Failure is not an option at all.

        I will succeed or die trying.
        Along with your compositions, will you allow other composers to present work on the site as well?
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

          Along with your compositions, will you allow other composers to present work on the site as well?
          I'm not ruling it out in the future but as of right now, no.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            Sure there's not a Copywriting gig
            Stephen - you are answering a cookie stuffer
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            • Profile picture of the author waterotter
              Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

              Stephen - you are answering a cookie stuffer
              'Exposure' comes to mind
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            • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
              Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

              Stephen - you are answering a cookie stuffer
              Well, cookie stuffer or not, it's true. People would email about writing a sales
              page for them, I quote $300 (which is stupidly dirt cheap) and I never hear
              back from them. Ever. That's right. Not even ONE returned the email saying
              they're not interested.

              They all want Vin Montello quality copy for 50 bucks.

              Screw that. I'm done with IM.
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              • Profile picture of the author Thomas Belknap
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                Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                Screw that. I'm done with IM.
                IM draws the worst type of entitlement I have ever seen.
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                • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                  Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

                  IM draws the worst type of entitlement I have ever seen.
                  100% true. Meanwhile I've spent thousands on my new business and I don't
                  even have a site yet.

                  I wonder how many of those "entitled" people ever make it.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Thomas Belknap
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                    Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                    100% true. Meanwhile I've spent thousands on my new business and I don't
                    even have a site yet.

                    I wonder how many of those "entitled" people ever make it.
                    I hear ya. I have been working on the same project for over a year now. It's almost done but imagine what others would say if you told them they had to work a year on a project before they even start making money on it.

                    The people who get it are the coolest. That is why I have a love hate relationship when I see crappy products. On the one hand you feel bad for people who buy into that stuff because you just know it won't work out well for them. On the other hand, most people don't really want to put in the effort the rest of us had to do.

                    Anyway, let's make some more funny pictures of Dennis. haha
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          • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

            I'm not ruling it out in the future but as of right now, no.
            Sounds good. I'm not good at music myself, never mind a composer, just interested in your project. Maybe you could distribute samples of your work at film festivals (if you like film festivals) -- I actually got good results doing that to drum up attendance at a seminar (in defiance of festival organizers, lol)
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  • Profile picture of the author lcombs
    Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

    Well, I never thought this day would ever come but I'm selling my record
    collection. I'm broke and need the money to put into my business. Hometown
    Records from NY is coming to the house on Friday. I'm hoping to get at least
    $300 to $500 for everything. I have a lot of rare 45s and albums. Hopefully,
    they'll be worth something.

    I don't know what I'm more upset about. That I'm selling them, that I have to
    sell them or that I don't care that I'm selling them.
    I suspect your collection should be worth much more than $300 - $500.

    I'm sure mine was much smaller and I priced 4 on eBay that would have fetched $25 - $30 each.
    Unfortunately, my entire collection spent a night under 18 in. of water when my basement flooded.
    I still have the vinyl, but the jackets were ruined.
    The vinyl is virtually worthless without them.

    At any rate, I would have expected at least $2,000+ for the collection.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by lcombs View Post

      I suspect your collection should be worth much more than $300 - $500.

      I'm sure mine was much smaller and I priced 4 on eBay that would have fetched $25 - $30 each.
      Unfortunately, my entire collection spent a night under 18 in. of water when my basement flooded.
      I still have the vinyl, but the jackets were ruined.
      The vinyl is virtually worthless without them.

      At any rate, I would have expected at least $2,000+ for the collection.
      Well the guy took about a dozen records and gave me $60 so I still have almost
      my whole collection. I've given up trying to sell them because I just don't
      have the time to sell them individually.
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