I think it's a lie.

That sure is a lot of money for a website. I bet they didn't pay that much. If I paid that much for a website it better have no problems whatsoever.

Chad

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Some of the information it was SUPPOSED to use cost about $30 BILLION! It was never fully delivered. BTW SUPPOSEDLY that was done like 9 years ago! INTERESTING, since it was ILLEGAL and technically still is!

Steve

First of all, I HAVE worked on similar things! ***I*** could have done a better job MYSELF! All the way from the database to the screen! Although I disagree that a working website like this could have been done for less than a few thousand, a MILLION is too much! For a million dollars, you should have been able to do the software, have a small redundant and EXPANDABLE high end database, really powerful servers, and been able to handle thousands of people over a narrow span of time.

of course, each user SHOULD have required maybe 10K for their records, so the database would have had to handle maybe 3000,000,000,000K, or about 3000TB. Allowing for mirroring and indexes, figure maybe 7000TB. HUGE, but they DO want to tie this into the IRS and all. The IRS ALREADY has general info on everyone, and they plan to store info on the plans and expenses. So HEY, the website may only need a database of a couple terabytes.

HECK, I was at a non profit that rolled out an app that was POORLY done! They had a couple thousand of their employees quickly test it. Too bad that it had EVERYONE going to a complicated login procedure. It was SLOW! They decided to redesign it, but it didn't crash, and they didn't release it until it ran well.

But HEY, HERE is a funny video about it!

Students Guess How Much It Cost to Develop the Obamacare Website - YouTube
Steve

Here's an interesting theory, if it is one...
Obamacare's Website Is Crashing Because It Doesn't Want You To Know How Costly Its Plans Are - Forbes

It sounds like possibly the most bloated, inefficient, costly and confusing government program ever. And that's really saying something!

Why does anyone believe healthcare, or anything else, will be cheaper once government is involved? This once again proves that everything government touches becomes more expensive.

Ron,

Many spoke about romneys plan, but I never heard of ANY cost increase measure, etc... HIS plan seemed to be a regulation requiring coverage of WORKERS, a bigger selection of methods/plans, and requiring generic when available. Did YOU know it is often, in most STATES, AGAINST THE LAW to dispense generic drugs unless specified or SPECIFICALLY indicated!?!?!?!!?? It's TRUE! I had a drug that was produced in FOUR FORMS!

1. EXPENSIVE NAME BRAND!
2. Brand #1 GENERIC
3. Brand #2 GENERIC
4. NONAME GENERIC!

My doctor prescribed #1, and the medical industry tried to scare me, LITERALLY!!!!!! Some suggested #2-#4, but could not give it to me! It was AGAINST FEDERAL LAW!

I went to MA, was then subject to Romneycare, and a doctor told me a company(the one that makes #1) LOBBIED THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT to come out with a new CLASS for drugs SPECIFICALLY to scare people like me, and some healthcare workers. RC FORBADE his prescribing anything but #4, and he prescribed #4. HE WAS RIGHT! That ONE act saves me over like $20/month on that ONE drug! I take TWO drugs. The OTHER is now generic ALSO. IT, however, was name brand ONLY and didn't have the special class label.

You get that? He worked WITH the market and PRIVATE insurance, with REASONABLE changes, and saved money. I almost WISH we got THAT instead of what we did. MEANWHILE, I had earlier paid MORE because the FEDERAL government INTENTIONALLY forced me to do so.

Steve

All I can say is that if I'd known that you could make that kinda dough building websites - I'd have said screw the writing and gone and learned technology. If you can make that much for something that is a disaster, think of how rich you can get if you're good at it.

I LOVE the smell of crony capitalism in the morning.

It's a quite early in the game. We'll see how the whole thing works out long term.

On HANNITY, they CLAIM this was outsourced to a "canadian IT firm" that pirated opensource code! It IS illegal to sell opensource without attribution, etc...

Like the RC<>OC claim, you can BET that the opensource stuff was "*******ized"!

Steve

So the same Administration who talked about responsible government and saving American jobs, outsourced the creation of a website to a FOREIGN web company, and paid $500 million for OPEN SOURCE code that didn't work? And people want them in charge of health care? I'd rather take my chances without insurance.

I've got to say. I just saw someone saying this is HORRIBLE, but saying that it is overall a great improvement. HARD to believe. CBC says that Canada had the worst healthcare. I think the USA was the 15th worst, BEFORE OC. STILL, canada seems to have some bad fiscal problems:

What changes would you want to see in the way health care is delivered? | Cross Country Checkup with Rex Murphy | CBC Radio

Apparently, their healthcare costs about $5447.25/year per person. About 40-50% of the budget, and increases at 6%. For the US, this would be about: $1,797,592,500,000 assuming a 1:1 exchange rate and political parity(dream on). That is less than 3 times the current price of that website! you can see some of their problems here:

CBC.ca Search

BTW I love the last NON-social advice tat so few in the US now understand:

Steve

I read the damn bill - gonna go with being fined and just sit back and laugh my head off when the excrement hits the air conditioning. Wait til people find out they have to give 3% straight to Uncle Sammie, IRS if they sell their house. LMAO. That's just one of the goodies that didn't get edited out in one of the forty some Supreme court dates for it.

The day I get told I have to have it is the day I start packing to be an ex-patriot.

The only way to get cheaper health care is to render the medical industrial complex 501-C (non-profit). With a sometimes several thousand % mark-up on drugs, etc - insurance isn't going to do sh*t from shinola even if it's dipped in gold and served with 100 year old scotch.

Well, it IS different from what I read. If you recall, they couldn't REALLY pass the act, and couldn't risk people getting wise to the scott brown delays, so they took an earlier senate bill passed and with the narrow super majority in the house "deemed IT as passed", and then ALL were forced to vote on a reconciliation to make it what it is TODAY. THAT is why the ACA bill at the following site is less than 1/2 the size, and why there is ALSO a reconciliation bill.

A lot of the bad rarely mentioned parts are STILL there. I don't know if you can really trust this version, but they say the official version is at: https://www.healthcare.gov/where-can...able-care-act/ They DO point to the GPO though.

Obama said I can keep my old plan if I like it, so I will try. I have heard rumors that that WHOLE CLASS of insurance will be SHUT DOWN! My employer said they were required to direct me to the new site! I even heard that I have a piece of mail waiting for me that says that. We'll see.

Steve

Great idea - if the government needs to build a huge web site that handles citizens' personal information, they should just outsource it to some faceless coder from the Philippines at a bargain basement price. I don't see how anything could go wrong with that plan. :rolleyes:

BTW There are 316,668,567 people in the US. After getting rid of kids, really old, uninfomed, etc.... you figure only about 40% are likely to really think about looking at any particular time..., and you realistically have about 126,667,427 people. Maybe HALF will decide to stay, and may decide not to join. OK, we are down to 63333714 We had 91 days. If they were spread out EVENLY, that is about 695975 a DAY! IMAGINE! The average workday in the US spans MAYBE 14 hours. If it spanned 24 hours, there would only be 28999 people hitting the servers per hour. That is 483 a minute. OK, OK! If ALL were married, the number might be half as much. Since we have about a 14 hour day, and not 24, the number is almost twice of that. Still, that is a LOT!!!!

They should have planned it better. And WHY is there an open enrollment period ANYWAY!?!?!? I mean aren't ALL supposed to be covered? and since it is to start in 2014, shouldn't the deadline maybe be in 2015? If we did THAT, capacity would be FAR less of an issue! But capacity is currently the LEAST of its problems.

Steve

BTW MANY have been, as they asked, excluded from this requirement. The HR sent a budget to the senate that apparently had *****NO***** changes over the first one except that they got rid of the 2.3% or whatever device tax, and the subsidy and waiver for congress, and the senate TURNED IT DOWN!!!!!! WHY? Congress should NOT be an "uber class" ANYWAY! Who died and made THEM royalty!?!?!? It is rumored that GEORGE WASHINGTON was given the option to be king, and turned it down. Congress should have such people.

The bill had a trick, saying that full time would be considered 30 hours/week. That caused a LOT of laws to hit businesses. The government hoped that the businesses would simply fall for it, and place all their workers under this plan. Well, the businesses started reducing many jobs to 29 hours/week. They speak of how the minimum wage should be raised, but this had the effect of CUTTING IT! They call it an "unintended circumstance". I call it a STUPID GAME!

Steve

EVEN I did not consider this here, though I have for YEARS told people HERE to watch for this on software they have written:

administration caught in blatant software piracy; script powering Healthcare.gov ripped off from UK company

It isn't even a big part of the functional code, but wonders what ELSE is pirated: http://www.datatables.net/

Steve

It was developed by a company called "CGI" who are known for their ineptitude and overpricing.



Hope you're happy with your service.

Here's your undercooked BigMac.

That will be $500,000 please.

Would you like fries with that?

Only $520,000 extra.

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Not to speak to racism, class warfare, or religion...... It is INTERESTING to note that these people believe in EVOLUTION! They believe in a chance circumstance that created a being and others that made them disparate and rely on the idea that the better killed the weaker so that each propagated and became BETTER! This is what has come to be known as "survival of the fittest". Believing THAT, they strive to do the OPPOSITE!

Corporations and ESPECIALLY GOVERNMENT IRONICALLY work in REVERSE!!!!!! OH, MOST corporations may be weeded out through competition and/or bankruptcy, but THAT IS IT! They sometimes make KILLINGS in IPOs and pump and dump scams.

So WHY do I say that???????

1. Corporations and government are HUGE! They determine funding based on the last periods expenses! That means the groups within them treat the money like brewster on brewsters millions! They spend AS MUCH AS THEY CAN! Their goal is to spend EVERY PENNY! This means *******WASTE*******! If they spend 10% less, their budget may be reduced. If they spend every penny, they may actually blame their FAILURE on not having enough, and get a BIGGER budget.

2. Government contractors, and the government, are SPECIFICALLY TASKED to find people of protected classes to spend money on! If the best person is a white male, FORGET IT! A mexican may get it, but better a black man or black woman. And this is REGARDLESS of bid!

With all the garbage, it is amazing they do as well as they do. SO, got that? They throw the idea of cost, and ability, OUT THE WINDOW in such cases.

Steve

I think it's all B.S.

Has anyone considered the possibility that the HealthCare.gov website actually worked fine, and the whole "faulty website" was just made up to cover the fact that nobody actually tried to sign up? I mean, surely the organization that's going to be responsible for managing life and death medical coverage can handle one website... Actually, we KNOW they can, the IRS website gets more traffic every year at tax time than HealthCare.gov ever got and it doesn't crash.

The website worked fine.

It's either that ... or it was hacked, and this is the cover story because they don't want you to know all of your information was leaked.

But either way, the site worked fine. The "coding problems" of this nature, as they describe them, would have been apparent before the flood gates were opened, it wasn't a load issue.

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I don't know if this is appropriate or not, BUT I MUST SAY;
This is ****ed up! , but lets look at the good side of it shall we? At least they didn't gave those 400,000,000 dollars to Wall Street to lose in a couple of trades nor financing Terrorists in the middle east in the name of freedom. right? But Still ****ed up!

Whatever it cost, there is definitely a professional looter class, sort of the invasive lionfish of society.

Indonesian webmasters are proving to be very good as well and also adept at incorporating cutting edge technology.

BTW there is now talk of maybe delaying it. IRONIC, since that was one option turned down only a few weeks ago. Anyway, they said that if it IS delayed that the insurance companies may reprice the premiums. The reason? As I have OFTEN SAID! Insurance works because it is a GAMBLE! The idea is that you bet AGAINST YOURSELF! If you stay healthy, you LOSE the premium, the INSURANCE COMPANY wins!! If you DON'T stay healthy, YOU get more money.

That is IMPORTANT, since it means that the uneven spread of risk due to "preexisting conditions" must somehow be countered, and that is what the penalty and requirements were supposed to be for. So the insurance companies are upset at the prospect of change here. Don't forget, they rely on actuarials that are now fully WORTHLESS! I wonder how they deal with THAT!

Steve

People have NO idea of the costs! MY problem cost almost $300K!!!!!!!!! That was about 9 YEARS ago! I originally had to pay over about $175/month!!!!!!!! With OC, NAME BRAND would be MANDATED! so that is $2100/year! That ALREADY push me over my deductible! THEN, I am supposed to have tests every years that cost about $14,000+!!!!!!!! That is a LOT! To be honest, I have only had the tests about 3 years. I have to basically take a day off of work and ALL they do is give me a meager chance at a second chance if things go south again. So HEY, the insurance company saved over $70K JUST ON THAT! OH YEAH, I FORGOT! I needed to WORK! That meant $2500 for a testing device, and an extra $416/year for supplies!

My insurance actually TURNED ME DOWN once because of a "preexisting condition". That was against the law LONG AGO, because I WAS covered earlier. Frankly, the government should have FINED the stupid agent that sold my company that policy. It was HIS job to make this seamless and tell the truth, and he DIDN'T! LUCKILY **I** managed to get everyone to toe the line and set things right, NO thanks to the government!

And look at KIM! It cost HIM a fortune ALSO! Do you think the insurance companies will pay all this, for EVERYONE, forever? YOU'RE DREAMING!(History is RIFE with examples where they capped or stopped) If they keep STEALING MONEY, do you think IT could go on forever? YOU'RE DREAMING!(This is stopping a LOT! Many left the country) Do you think the population will fall? YOU'RE DREAMING!(It is SKYROCKETING from ALL ANGLES) Do you think the government will keep paying? YOU'RE DREAMING! They are cutting back! Do you think DOCTORS will accept it? YOU'RE DREAMING! They are retiring, cutting back, etc....

HECK, my mother was on medicare! IT RAN OUT! She went on medicaid! She was originally DECLINED! THAT RAN OUT! They cleared out EVERYTHING!

And if insurance is free to the patient, they may go in for the SNIFFLES! They may EVEN *******INSIST******* on antibiotics and ****YOU**** could die from a bacterial infection you catch from them that is IMMUNE to antibiotics, etc... OH, you say! THAT is SCI FI! That will NEVER happen, you say..... Well, it has happened a LOT! HERE is but ONE example:

Methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Steve

I have NO doubt there is price gouging, though MANY things make the prices higher in the US, and several ARE due to the government. Many people in healthcare say that medicare is a LOSS! They handle it ONLY because they can, if they gouge OTHERS. Do forget all those that DON'T accept it though!

CBC only a few months ago said CANADA had the WORST healthcare! The US WAS on the list, but shown as BETTER than canada, sweden, france, and one other, as I recall. The list had the 15 worst. BTW CBC is canada broadcasting corporation and I saw the show LIVE, since they got it in Buffalo NY.

You want a low price? Go into the deepest regions of india or something. Care is CHEAP, but not all that great!

Back to gouging and the US government though. If the new insurance is so great, why did congress FLAT OUT REFUSE to go on it? Why did they FLAT OUT REFUSE to not demand SPECIAL SUBSIDIES? WHY did their friends, and employees, get WAIVERS?

Steve

And I wish I had bookmarked the page talking about the rankings, but there are LOTS of pages like this:

Calling for change in Canadian health care | CBC Books | CBC Radio

The care is clearly not as good as what some HERE make it out to be.

Note to canadians...I KNOW we have problems. I am not disputing that. I am certainly not saying your nation is inept, etc... Just showing how similar problems are everywhere and even CANADIANS realize canada is far from perfect.

Steve

I'm not sure I'm getting the logic behind the thought that the government taking over the funding of health-care is going to make it cheaper. This is the same government that paid $400 for hammers and $600 for toilet seats.

They can turn a simple process, like getting your picture taken, into an all day miserable event. Being a former military man, I loath the day the government takes over any more of my health care. I've been there, it's not pretty.

National Website Disaster on Vimeo

OK, they have a guy proven to be BELOW MEDIOCRE with FINANCES managing a TECHNICAL project, and have the consultant that apparently did NOT work on the remaining pieces doing THAT! Traditionally, this does NOT go well!

ALSO, the idea is to finish it *****LONG***** before it is needed. On projects like THIS, typically *****MONTHS***** before! WHY? So you can run it through unit tests, SUPPOSEDLY done, but CLEARLY NOT! System integration tests, NEVER DONE! And hopefully FULL END TO END TESTS, NEVER DONE!

WHY? The goal is to have it working for the CUSTOMER, who is the ONLY one that can properly do the full end to end tests(The HEALTH DEPARTMENT or CMS in this case)! THEY are to test it so that THEIR customer, the US population in this case, can use it with relatively few hassles!

This stuff is RARELY as simple as some think. And ANYONE in IT should understand that! You can't just hire anyone! You CAN'T just sit back and wait! You CAN'T expect PERFECTION, but should demand far better than this. THIS case is different though, because the CMS should have started testing MONTHS ago and, BY THEIR OWN ADMISSION, NEVER DID!

Steve