Miley Cyrus is fat ... are you going to arrest me?

It is amazing how our freedoms slowly but surely get taken from us. It happens so gradually that we are lulled, but if you jump back 50 years and compare the freedoms our grandparents had compared to what we have today the difference is quite startling. All of it done for "our own good" of course.

Cyberbullying and free speech are 2 different things. It's a big problems, you have teens killing themselves everyday because of cyberbullying. It's a lot worse than the old fashioned type of bullying. I hope a cyberbullying law passes and think it already should have been.

If you want free speech you have to take the good with the bad, and everything in between. The ones who would limit our free speech are traitors, and are the real enemy, above and beyond any perceived "war on terror"

Free speech doesn't give you the right to yell fire in a crowded theater.
There are always limits in a civilized society. I agree with Tina (again),
Cyber laws are just now begining to catch up with offline laws. I can't
come too soon.

Tom

The government wants to limit free speech to free speech zones or basically do away with the first amendment. This I believe is to stop their agenda and their ultimate eugenics goal being exposed.

The Interweb is serious business too! We can't block people or not log on to get away from it.

Oh wait. We can. :rolleyes:

Cyberbullying is no more serious than real world bullying. Infact, I would say it's less and only weak minded people take it serious.

If parents would start *gasp* parenting then THEY could put a stop to it most of the time. But people are to complacent and want Uncle Sam to do everything for them.

Get off the couch parents and start doing your damn jobs.

They need to not add any such thing. The law doesn't limit libel/slander to offline media or person-to-person communications.

Name 5 examples of creeps getting off because of something that was done online ONLY.

See, they don't just cyberbully people - they bully them EVERYWHERE. And if it is just online, then logg off so you don't have to deal with it.

Yes it is BUT it's a fine line. How can you determine when it's truth/opinion and Cyberbullying? Intent? Who determines the intent?

Name the 4 teens who killed themselves this week so far. How so? You can log off. The "old fashioned" type, you can't get away from it.
I hope parents start raising their own kids and people stop wanting laws that limit freedoms.

JFYI: If this law passed, it would be EASY to keep on bullying and never get caught.
Unless their is a fire. Perphaps you should lookup WHY that's illegal.

Wake up America.

Garrie

That`s her Dad!! ... well ... `cept for the fat part :rolleyes:



YiKeS

Cyberbullying. Give me a break. If you are getting bullied on the internet you have got more problems than some government created bill can fix. Here's a solution. Get off the computer, don't go back to that specific site, or how about this, have a little common sense. You can't look to big daddy government to fix all your problems in life at the expense of others. Sometimes people have to look out for themselves, use rational, logical thought, and, oh should I dare say it, be responsible for their own safety and security and stop looking to the government to provide it. How about some personal responsiblity.

Also, don't give me his train of thought for stupid bills like this that limit individual freedoms cause some people commit suicide. When people hang themselves, should there be laws created against ropes, cables, wire, etc. I know they didn't when my high school buddy hung himself.

NO, we DO NOT need another stinking law! I'm sick and tired of all this P.C. crap and people so weak they can't stick up for themselves or are incapable of ignoring the remarks of others. (Hello, Jessica Simpson? )

What kind of kids are parents raising today? When I was growing up and someone bullied me, I had the gumption and confidence to simply turn around and knock them on their ass, and I certainly did! I spent plenty of time in detention in high school because I stood up for myself. I knocked more than a few teeth down their throats when they tried to harass me. I wasn't raised to be a namby-pamby cry baby. My dad would have whipped my ass if I'd been a sissy. I got bullied a lot but it never made me want to go off and kill myself.

If our children today are so fragile that they feel they have to kill themselves or we have to have a cyber-bullying law, this society is in deeper trouble than we know.

The only difference between today and any day in the 1970's when I was in high school is that in today's world every kid in school will hear about it in just a few minutes. That's what the internet has done, it has made the dissemination of information faster and more thorough. Back in the 70's I had to hear about it from another kid. That's not true today, because our children are equipped with all manner of internet capable devices.

Like I said, when someone bullied me, I smacked them in the mouth. So why can't kids do that online if they get bullied online? Fight back, ya damned sissy! You don't have to take that!

Parents should start paying more attention to their children and teach them to grow a thick skin, offline as well as online. Kids can be extremely cruel, especially adults who have not grown up such as that woman who portrayed herself as a boy who was in love with that girl who killed herself when 'he' dumped her and told her the world would be a better place without her. (Sentencing was postponed to next month. She'll go to prison for it, and rightfully so.)

I place a lot of the blame on the girl's parents, and the girl as well for her being so mentally fragile as to kill herself! What the hell? Don't parents teach their children anything any more? Don't parents talk with their kids any more? Don't parents create an environment where their kids can come to them and talk about their problems anymore?

Doesn't look like it in this case. (Could this be a symptom of working moms not being there when their kids need them?)

I guess we need another law, huh? Yeah, just what we need.

NOT!

I think the problem stems from the fact that there are many parents who still are not computer-savvy. They don't teach their children about the hazards of the internet and how to deal with it because the parents themselves don't know (can't teach it if you don't know about it), and their children just jump right into a Wild West gunfight without any way to fire back and protect themselves. They are left to learn on their own and quite often they don't learn how to stand up for themselves in this electronic age. (There's a product idea...)

As time passes, however, we will see these children grow up to become adults and have children of their own, and they will know what to teach their children and this kind of crap will diminish to a degree. I doubt we'll have girls killing themselves over it anyway.

The internet is still in the Model T age, and back then people knew everything about horses but few knew anything about those newfangled contraptions called automobiles. All they knew was the damned things scared the hell out of their horses. But as kids grew up with cars and not so much with horses, that problem evaporated.

In the meantime, we don't need more laws! Laws are only for controlling the population, a method of raising funds for the government when someone is caught violating those laws.

I believe the population in this case is more than able to control themselves if they'd teach their kids the confidence and the ability to fight back when bullied instead of running to their room to hide with a rope around their neck.

I don't think going back to the laws we had 50 years ago, to the days when one could hurl racial abuse at someone with impunity, would be a good move. Although, no doubt, some would like that.

As to kids, it's a basic tenet of dog training that dogs who are taught the rules and know where the boundaries are, are better balanced and less aggressive than others.

Todays kids are often not taught the rules or boundaries at all by their parents. When teachers try, they're often threatened by parents!

"Laws are only for controlling the population, a method of raising funds for the government when someone is caught violating those laws." Come on, surely no sane person wants to live in a country without laws and some control over the population? Robbing banks, rape, child molesting made legal? I think not.

Silly laws have devalued the legal systemand have had a kicking in the UK recently. The stupid metrication laws are an example.

Ray

Steven, I'm offended every time Dick Cheney opens his mouth. I've been offended quite a bit lately. What's up with that guy, does he thinks he's the One-Man Bush Defense Team or something? He seems to be waging a media campaign to improve the Bush administration's place in history, futile as it is.

She's a spoilt little attention seeking brat! That is all.

But is she fat? She can be a brat and if she's fat she can be a fat brat but if she's not fat she can't be a fat brat, because she's not fat even though she might still be a brat. Fat does not make the brat, just as brat does not make the fat.

Got that?

Free speech there is no such thing and we are all probably better off for it. There are some real idiots out there. Miley - who cares?

Valerie, yes Lori Drew should be in jail. If it were not for her actions, that teenager would not have killed herself. The teenager's feelings were manipulated by an adult and the end result is the girl killed herself. She didn't just cry her heart out, run and hide in her room, make a long entry in her diary, she KILLED HERSELF! And I think the person responsible for causing her death deserves punishment.

It doesn't matter that Lori Drew may not have realized the fragile state the girl was in, nor that she would actually go so far as to kill herself, manipulating someone's feelings in such a way is cruel.

Who's fault is it? I place 95% of the blame on Lori Drew and 5% on the girl's parents for having such a fragile teenager. But the parents may not have had a clue about her mental state, as teens can be quite secretive concerning their own feelings, especially when it comes to love and matters of the heart, which is what this was. Teens take things like that very seriously, perhaps more seriously than anything else. They haven't been dumped a million times, haven't had their heart and mind toughened up like we have. They don't handle being dumped as well as someone with a lot of experience.

And even if the parents were aware of it, there's not a lot they could have done. Who would imagine anyone would actually kill herself? It's not like the parents placed her on suicide watch.

Sorry, but I don't see any gray area here. It's black and white. Lori Drew is responsible and deserves punishment for her deceitful and cruel actions. Lori Drew, being an adult, should have known better than to do something like this, no matter if the girl killed herself or not, it's still a very cruel thing to play with someone's heart and emotions like that.

Adults should know better.

You should add Lori Drew to your Dangerous females blog.

I should Star. And probably will. I'd like to know how it ends first. Yep it was cruel for an adult to mess around with a teenager like that, and yeah they take those things too seriously which they can't help with lack of experience. The girl was so fixated on this boy she couldn't see her future or a light at the end of the tunnel. But she had depression-imbalance of chemicals in her brain which she couldn't help.

I don't blame the girls parents cause parents can only do so much about the personality of their child. Some children are just sensitive and nothing can be done about it. That's just the way they are. Like some are born shy, some outgoing, etc. Like some parents may push their kids to be in sports or music but the kid has no interest at all and is totally different than what the parents wanted. Genetics, socialization, school and peers have a lot to do with it. And how on earth would you turn a fragile kid into a thick skinned kid? Some personality traits no parents can change.

And what kind of adult pretends to be a teenage boy to break up with a teenage girl? Sick. I haven't heard about that case in a long time. When will she be sentenced. I'm actually surprised-but glad-charges were pressed against her cause there's not actually a law saying it's illegal to go to myspace and pretend to be someone else.

Oh no totally off topic. This is not about Miley Cyrus being fat.

I think Summer is going to grow up to be a kickboxer and fight in MMA...

Wait a minute - are you agreeing with me?!

She gained unauthorized access to the girl's myspace page or something and there are, indeed, laws against that already.

Yes, some kids are sensitive but parents, (this coming from a guy who believes duct tape should be a required item in the babysitter toolbox...) parents, seeing how sensitive their children are, should still do what they can to build their child's self-esteem and confidence.

Children need to learn there is nothing they cannot do (well, many of them seem to know that already, for heaven's sake!), and that they can fight back when bullied. They need to learn that bullies are not invincible, that they are just vulnerable kids with personal self-esteem issues, needing to make fun of others to make themselves feel better. If it comes to slugging someone in the mouth, children should be taught how to to so but also taught how to not do so unless it is called for. You'd be surprised at how self-esteem can be built by sending children to self-defense or karate classes. They would learn discipline, as well as how to defend themselves.

No, those classes are not for everyone, and those kids should just kill themselves and get it over and done with (just kidding!), but parents should consider it.

Parents are responsible for teaching their children how to stand on their own two feet in the real world, not teachers, doctors, psychiatrists or anyone else. You breed them, you lead them...

Of course some adults are so fragile they shouldn't have kids but they do, and that's why we end up with actors...

I think Miley Cyrus is going to blimp after she has her first kid...

Is that Nadya Suleman character in your Dangerous Females blog? She should be. She's a danger to society!