Working hard to change my life.

by bigjc
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Hey guys,

I'm new here as a member, but I've been interested in online and offline marketing for years. I recently bought a WSO about offline marketing and I'm working on that to make money, but I'm nervous and want to have backups.

You may think "oh man another guy asking for a hand-out fast solution"..Knida but not really. I really want to start doing something that is profitable in the short-term, but long term, or at least something to get by.

I've found myself in a really bad situation. I'm currently homeless living in a motel a friend paid for, because he believes I can do something to pay him back. I've got one set of dress clothes, two sets of normal clothes, and a laptop. My bank account is at $0 and my family is so abusive that I nearly died in their house and thus why I'm where I am now.

It's not like I'm uneducated. I have a bachelors degree in business administration with focus in marketing and entrepreneurship. I have an associates in graphics, game design, and computer animation.

I never thought I would end up where I am today, but I learned that if I keep my mouth shut I lose any opportunity for growth and learning. So this is why I'm reaching out for any input that this great community is willing to share.

I'm not looking for sympathy and this isn't a pity pot message. I'm determined to get out of this, but I figured I'd ask for help as to what steps to take to build a real business from the bottom up. I'm looking to work on as many opportunities as I can. It's the only way to get out of the hole I'm in.

I hope one day to look back on this and laugh; to share it with people who feel like they can't move ahead. I'm not giving up until I'm dead.

Anyway enough rambling. I hope for this to be a positive experience and thread, and hope I put this in the right forum. MY goal is to be able to move ahead with an idea and post my experience and progress to show hope for others.

Best wishes to all of you and thanks in advance,
Josh
#change #hard #life #working
  • Profile picture of the author Designs1
    Hey Josh,

    First of all, sorry to hear about your situation. By reading your post i can see you have some passion and will to become successful online. I'm sure you will make it!

    If i were you, i would think what i'm good at, what i'm passionate about and what i would love to do. When you have found an answer to those questions, go deeper in that particular niche and read and learn, read and learn and so on.

    I see many people (including me in the past) jumping from subject to another and really have no idea what should really do and what niche to stick with. That must be one of the most common reasons failing online, no idea what to start, where to start and how, and then end up buying get rich over night guides to hope becoming successful. And most likely won't give any effort on those guides as well. And there you are again in the same spot.

    "I have a bachelors degree in business administration with focus in marketing and entrepreneurship. I have an associates in graphics, game design, and computer animation."

    Some opportunities to get capital while putting up business/niche/plan/ideas:

    https://www.elance.com/r/jobs/q-game%20design/
    https://www.elance.com/r/jobs/q-animation/
    https://www.elance.com/r/jobs/q-marketing/
    https://www.elance.com/r/jobs/q-assistant/

    Hopefully you find interest projects there and might become part of some!

    Try to list your cons and pros to yourself and think what you really are into. If you are enough passionate about something, you will succeed after all. Just don't give up and keep on going!

    Some motivation for you


    Good luck,
    Aleksi
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Josh,

      According to your post, you are educated in areas that are necessary for Internet marketing. My suggestion to you would be to start freelancing in the area of graphics, game design and computer animation to get some cash flow in all the while working on your own products in those areas for long term returns.

      With marketing knowledge and entrepreneur education, you should be able to be up and running in no time.

      I wish you colossal success!

      Terra
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    • Profile picture of the author bigjc
      Originally Posted by Designs1 View Post

      Hey Josh,

      First of all, sorry to hear about your situation. By reading your post i can see you have some passion and will to become successful online. I'm sure you will make it!

      If i were you, i would think what i'm good at, what i'm passionate about and what i would love to do. When you have found an answer to those questions, go deeper in that particular niche and read and learn, read and learn and so on.

      I see many people (including me in the past) jumping from subject to another and really have no idea what should really do and what niche to stick with. That must be one of the most common reasons failing online, no idea what to start, where to start and how, and then end up buying get rich over night guides to hope becoming successful. And most likely won't give any effort on those guides as well. And there you are again in the same spot.

      "I have a bachelors degree in business administration with focus in marketing and entrepreneurship. I have an associates in graphics, game design, and computer animation."

      Some opportunities to get capital while putting up business/niche/plan/ideas:

      https://www.elance.com/r/jobs/q-game%20design/
      https://www.elance.com/r/jobs/q-animation/
      https://www.elance.com/r/jobs/q-marketing/
      https://www.elance.com/r/jobs/q-assistant/

      Hopefully you find interest projects there and might become part of some!

      Try to list your cons and pros to yourself and think what you really are into. If you are enough passionate about something, you will succeed after all. Just don't give up and keep on going!

      Some motivation for you


      Good luck,
      Aleksi
      Thank you for your reply!

      I'm going to look into some of the freelance, but I don't want to put my eggs in one basket. In freelance do I charge them first or when I'm done the project? I'm wondering because it's hard for me to make a portfolio (have a basic netbook), and I remember how common it is for people to scam designers.

      On a side note I made a meeting with a prospect tomorrow to sell my services.

      I'm focusing solely on online and offline marketing, freelancing, and any ideas that are suggested here. As a result I'm not looking for a job.

      I'm alive and working hard. I have until Friday to succeed.

      Thank you for the replies so far,
      Josh

      PS: I love the picture!
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Aleks,

      You might want to reconsider your examples. From what I have heard, a lot of the info on Einsteins "failures" is garbage. HE, for example, spoke to his supposed problems with french. He had NO need, and thus no passion. When he had the need, he learned it FINE! That is the way it USUALLY is! Yet ANOTHER reason more people in europe are multilingual than in the US, etc...

      The michael jordon statement is probably wrong. He was on a team and cut, and CRIED over it? DOUBT IT! Anyway, that is NO failure! Lamentation is an INCENTIVE to success! The failure is not the lamentation, but failure to act on it. It is the old "get back on that horse" theory.

      Walt disney had inspiration, etc... HE was the one that wanted to develop land, create amusement parks, create animation, etc... Again, FAR from a failure!

      Steve jobs basically ASKED to start it, etc... He was lucky he was there, etc... To this day, the friend that did more to start it was simply happy he was pushed. I actually asked him about it.

      Oprah ended up in what apparently is a LOW END job! She was a local weather woman! YUCK! That is probably BECAUSE she was fired! If so, she could THANK the guy that fired her! She was THEN noticed by a guy that wanted to start a local talk show, and he hired HER!!!!!!! It was a BLAZING SUCCESS, TOOK OFF, and that is what gut her to where she is TODAY!

      The beatles had a couple people that came up with some good songs, and practically MADE the group. After a few good venues..... The rest was history.

      Steve
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      • Profile picture of the author Designs1
        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        Aleks,

        You might want to reconsider your examples. From what I have heard, a lot of the info on Einsteins "failures" is garbage. HE, for example, spoke to his supposed problems with french. He had NO need, and thus no passion. When he had the need, he learned it FINE! That is the way it USUALLY is! Yet ANOTHER reason more people in europe are multilingual than in the US, etc...

        The michael jordon statement is probably wrong. He was on a team and cut, and CRIED over it? DOUBT IT! Anyway, that is NO failure! Lamentation is an INCENTIVE to success! The failure is not the lamentation, but failure to act on it. It is the old "get back on that horse" theory.

        Walt disney had inspiration, etc... HE was the one that wanted to develop land, create amusement parks, create animation, etc... Again, FAR from a failure!

        Steve jobs basically ASKED to start it, etc... He was lucky he was there, etc... To this day, the friend that did more to start it was simply happy he was pushed. I actually asked him about it.

        Oprah ended up in what apparently is a LOW END job! She was a local weather woman! YUCK! That is probably BECAUSE she was fired! If so, she could THANK the guy that fired her! She was THEN noticed by a guy that wanted to start a local talk show, and he hired HER!!!!!!! It was a BLAZING SUCCESS, TOOK OFF, and that is what gut her to where she is TODAY!

        The beatles had a couple people that came up with some good songs, and practically MADE the group. After a few good venues..... The rest was history.

        Steve

        Hey Steve,

        Well... I didn't do this picture and your just pointing the same things than the picture.

        "Walt disney had inspiration, etc... HE was the one that wanted to develop land, create amusement parks, create animation, etc... Again, FAR from a failure!"

        "lacking imagination" and "having no original ideas" i guess that's why those are between "" and it pretty much shows sarcasm. Anyway, don't want to argue about this. Don't think that picture is pure BS and someone just made it up from nowhere.

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        And Josh

        "I'm going to look into some of the freelance, but I don't want to put my eggs in one basket. In freelance do I charge them first or when I'm done the project? I'm wondering because it's hard for me to make a portfolio (have a basic netbook), and I remember how common it is for people to scam designers."

        Read these:

        http://help.elance.com/forums/220621...nce-Protection
        http://help.elance.com/forums/22077837-Getting-Paid
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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
          Originally Posted by bigjc View Post

          Thank you for your reply!

          I'm going to look into some of the freelance, but I don't want to put my eggs in one basket. In freelance do I charge them first or when I'm done the project? I'm wondering because it's hard for me to make a portfolio (have a basic netbook), and I remember how common it is for people to scam designers.

          On a side note I made a meeting with a prospect tomorrow to sell my services.

          I'm focusing solely on online and offline marketing, freelancing, and any ideas that are suggested here. As a result I'm not looking for a job.

          I'm alive and working hard. I have until Friday to succeed.

          Thank you for the replies so far,
          Josh

          PS: I love the picture!

          Yep, l agree with others, probably the only way to make some money by Friday is to find someone throwing some good junk out, on the side of the road, and reselling it on Ebay?

          Ask first of course, it is illegal to fossik in AU, but not if you ask first. And stay with wealthy areas, they chuck out some great stuff, now and then.

          The freelancing sites mentioned, and Fiverr, etc will all take time to make profitable. And yeah, l have heard horror stories about them.

          I paid a programmer to do something for me once, and he told me stories about how others would not pay for the software, etc, or pulled out at the last minute.


          I would personally recommend doing what l am doing. Which is go to Graphicriver.

          Facebook cover | GraphicRiver

          And finding a hot area, like the above Facebook cover. The catch is it may take a few days to get your offer accepted and longer if they soft reject it.

          But it can and will make money that will grow over time, especially if you outsource.


          If you don't have Photoshop then the free option suggested before is probably the best way to go, but if it is the source l am thinking of, then Photoshop will probably seize up in the next 6 months to a year, and then if you uninstall the lot and reinstall it may work for an hour before seizing up again.

          Adobe doesn't give out outright freebies without nobbling it in some way, but it is a good short term option.


          Probably the fastest way of making money is to go to Amazon, buy something that is high demand, but hard to find, (like a B/W classic movie) then double the price and resell it on Ebay!

          You would need to package it again and set it up, and advertise to get it going, but it could be the quickest option, apart from doing odd jobs on the WF, (classified ad)..

          I was trying to find a very hard to get movie, and saw this descripency with prices. $13 at Amazon, but $25 to $30 on Ebay for the same movie????

          Do some homework and l am sure you would find others?


          I would rather build an investment or something l can forget about one day, than a job, so the Ebay option isn't something l would consider.


          Good luck.


          Shane
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          • Profile picture of the author bigjc
            Hey folks,

            Thanks so much for your support! I actually lucked out with two sales! I had a friend buy a WSO and put a little a little twist to it.

            My first sale was a website deal for $822, 40% paid upfront. I also got a deal for 5,000 menus, 250 business cards, and email management for $1,575.53

            I'm so excited that I was able to do this. I have businesses scheduling appointments for this week and next week. A little leg work went a long way!

            I think I'm going to try my first steps in online marketing by sharing my success in an e-book.

            I'm still looking to build up into online marketing as I don't know how sustainable this is in the long term, but for right now I have food in my belly, clothes on my back, and a roof over my head. This is way better than it's been.

            Once again thank you guys for your support! I'm definitely not giving up now that I tasted some success I'm hungry for more! It's just unbelievable how putting a little effort forward can make such an amazing difference.

            The client I'm making menus for is a pizza shop and I told him what I offered. He was like "haha yea well I get menus for $.57 each." I cut him half of that and he was like "B.S." I told him no, showed him some solid info, and twenty minutes later I had a free pizza and the $1575 deal. That's just a test run! I'm honestly shaking with excitement.

            It's raining today so I'm going to get a phonebook and call businesses. In the meantime I owe someone a huge thank you.

            Thank you all,
            Josh
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            • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
              Very, very good.
              Thanks for the update.

              Originally Posted by bigjc View Post

              Hey folks,

              Thanks so much for your support! I actually lucked out with two sales! I had a friend buy a WSO and put a little a little twist to it.

              My first sale was a website deal for $822, 40% paid upfront. I also got a deal for 5,000 menus, 250 business cards, and email management for $1,575.53

              I'm so excited that I was able to do this. I have businesses scheduling appointments for this week and next week. A little leg work went a long way!

              I think I'm going to try my first steps in online marketing by sharing my success in an e-book.

              I'm still looking to build up into online marketing as I don't know how sustainable this is in the long term, but for right now I have food in my belly, clothes on my back, and a roof over my head. This is way better than it's been.

              Once again thank you guys for your support! I'm definitely not giving up now that I tasted some success I'm hungry for more! It's just unbelievable how putting a little effort forward can make such an amazing difference.

              Thank you all,
              Josh
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              • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                I'm still looking to build up into online marketing as I don't know how sustainable this is in the long term, but for right now I have food in my belly, clothes on my back, and a roof over my head. This is way better than it's been.
                You ARE doing online marketing - you are using the internet/computer to create products for offline businesses.

                Many of the people who promote "online only" don't have the style/education/guts to go out in person or get on the phone and SELL. Honestly - 'how to make money' ebooks written by newbies are a dime a dozen - you can do better than that.

                My advice is to keep going for now with what is working for you. Build up some reserves so the food and roof are assured going forward before trying to move into another area of IM.

                Good work!
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  • Profile picture of the author lcombs
    IMO you need to provide off line and on line marketing.
    I would focus more on on line marketing for small, local businesses.
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  • Profile picture of the author CigCarter
    Hi there, you know, nobody in this world will ever try of not failing, the real victory is when you stand up and continue fighting.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I don't want to put my eggs in one basket. In freelance do I charge them first or when I'm done the project?
      Don't worry about baskets and eggs at this point - that's one of those cliches you can save till later. Right now you need to find a way to get ONE egg in ONE basket. Diversification is great - but first you have to build that first "thing".

      On freelance sites such as elance you are often protected as a seller because the buyer places the fee in escrow and then releases it when the job is completed. On some larger jobs the buyer may set "milestones" - where you are paid a portion of the job as each part of the job is completed.

      However, no freelance site is going to be able to provide you with money by Friday. It's not realistic. That said, if you choose job ads carefully and bid like crazy day after day you can have enough work to keep you busy and earning within a couple of weeks.

      If you take that route now or later - spend hours on the site - submit dozens of bids a day and write your bids carefully. Tell about yourself focusing on your knowledge/education - not on your current circumstances.

      Offline is the only marketing path I can see that could yield money by Friday so I think you are wise to focus on that right away. (By offline I mean local businesses willing to pay you for online services).

      kay
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  • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
    Hi Josh,

    Listings for game designer at indeed.com

    Game Designer Jobs, Employment | Indeed.com

    Also search for other areas in which you have expertise such as computer animation, etc. Look for opps in your area as well as telecommuting.

    Do you have something like photoshop? If not, let me know. There was a thread here not long ago with a link to an older version of ps and it had the license key. Nothing pirated. Adobe was making it available.

    Don't despair. I've been in your shoes. You must train your mind to focus on the positive at all times.

    Do you have a paypal acct that is verified?

    Search craigslist for graphic design opportunities. I've found work for freelance writing using cl. It can be fast or slow and you never know. It's a numbers game, so reach out as much as you can. Maybe focus on larger cities. Negotiate payment upfront or down payment to begin work. Don't compromise on that.

    Check out indeed.com because they have lots of unusual listings for all over the place, in the US.

    If things get dicey, see about staying with a friend or something. If you have to, stay in a shelter, and you can find soup kitchens and charitable orgs that serve dinner. It's all right. Just do what you have to do and keep working on all this stuff. It will pass. All things, good and bad, come to an end. Look for the good in this because it is there, trust me. It sucks right now but the outcome will be determined only by you.

    Ken
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    Michael Jordan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Michael may have been discouraged when he did
    not make the Varsity team his sophomore year because
    he was only 5'11".

    It was probably at this point (as I've read elsewhere)
    that a family member gave him a "if you want it, you
    have to work for it" speech. And that's when he
    started practicing 6 to 8 hours per day, became a
    Junior Varsity star, happened to grow 4 more inches...
    And the rest is history.

    ----------------------------------------

    Josh,

    I don't think you have to make it in marketing
    by Friday. Nor do I think it realistic that you will get
    paid by anybody (for marketing services) by Friday.
    I do wish you luck of course.

    I DO think you need to start making money by any legal
    means possible by Friday. I think that means that
    you go around to businesses or residences and
    offer to paint stuff or clean cars, yards, garages, windows...
    (Some small car dealers pay pretty well and pretty
    consistent to keep their cars clean.)

    Then you keep doing that. Then you get the computer
    and the software (Gimp is free and like Photoshop) you
    need to provide offline marketing services such as graphics.

    Also, then get a place to live that you can afford.
    A small studio apartment or a room that somebody rents...
    Internet connection or use the public library or free wifi
    somewhere.

    Take a day or two off from doing odd jobs and try to
    get marketing services projects by cold walking or cold
    calling. Contact local printing companies and let them know
    your skill set... Go to Chamber of Commerce mixers and other
    types of events that are free or cost little...

    Come back to the Warrior Forum offline section often
    to learn how to "Build a business... not a job"
    http://www.warriorforum.com/offline-...-business.html (See post #8 by Dan McCoy)

    http://danray.me/start-an-agency-1/

    Don't try to start a business when you are desperate for money.
    Don't be desperate for money.

    You can do it.
    If you want to do it, you have to work for it.

    Dan
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    It was really interesting to read your story.
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