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so the fatal shot that killed JFK was from

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his own secret service guy....not Oswald.....but his own agent by mistake. Makes perfect sense now. First time I watched all the evidence presented in such a way. UK (Sat. evening TV)
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      From the front and to the right.
      It's possible. In a case like this, secret service guys should have been ALL AROUND! In fact, I am surprised they even let him take this trip. NORMALLY the president is in a bullet proof car in a protected zone, and things are obfuscated. If he is out in the open, the secret service tries to cover any possible angles. I actually lived across the street from a park where george bush once spoke. I EVEN happened to be in the managers office when the secret service came to check out the place. WHY didn't they do that sort of stuff for JFK?

      Of course, if a secret service guy were caught doing it, CONSPIRACY OR NOT, he would be in BIG trouble!

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    Put all preconceived notions about Alex Jones aside and watch his documentary about the assassination. Mind blowing.
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      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      Bind blowing.
      Sounds like you've got a cold Charles.
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      • Profile picture of the author Hopeless Bromantic
        The shooting forensics have been analyzed to death, and the analysis goes on with state of the art technology every time it becomes available. Still no credible evidence that anyone other than LHO fired the shots.

        However, I doubt that LHO had the emotional stability at the time to successfully execute a plan like that. Although there's no proof, I'm with those who suspect that Oswald had help from somebody. Just not sure who.
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        • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
          Originally Posted by Hopeless Bromantic View Post

          The shooting forensics have been analyzed to death, and the analysis goes on with state of the art technology every time it becomes available. Still no credible evidence that anyone other than LHO fired the shots.

          However, I doubt that LHO had the emotional stability at the time to successfully execute a plan like that. Although there's no proof, I'm with those who suspect that Oswald had help from somebody. Just not sure who.

          Maybe you didn't see the Zapruter footage.

          If that's the real footage, it seemed to me that the final shot came from the front and to the right.

          We can thank former senator from PA Arlen Spector for that magic bullet theory.
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          • Profile picture of the author Hopeless Bromantic
            Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

            Maybe you didn't see the Zapruter footage.

            If that's the real footage, it seemed to me that the final shot came from the front and to the right.

            We can thank former senator from PA Arlen Spector for that magic bullet theory.
            The reason it looks that way is that Governor Connally appeared to be sitting directly in front of JFK (Spector came to the same conclusion). In fact the governor was slightly to the left - and slightly lower, because the heights of the front and back benches weren't the same.

            Then, in November 2003, on the murder's 40th anniversary, I watched an ABC News documentary called The Kennedy Assassination: Beyond Conspiracy. In one segment, the producers showed the actual car in which the president and the others had been riding that day. One feature of the car, which I'd never heard or read about before, made my jaw literally drop. The back seat, where JFK rode, was three inches higher than the front seat, where Connally rode. Once that adjustment was made, the line from Oswald's rifle to Kennedy's upper back to Connally's ribcage and wrist appeared absolutely straight. There was no need for a magic bullet.
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            • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
              Originally Posted by Hopeless Bromantic View Post

              The reason it looks that way is that Governor Connally appeared to be sitting directly in front of JFK (Spector came to the same conclusion). In fact the governor was slightly to the left - and slightly lower, because the heights of the front and back benches weren't the same.


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              I saw the footage 1,000 times and for the last time it appears to me that the fatal shot came from the front and to the right of the position of the car. If the film was not manipulated I personally can't help but come to that conclusion.

              In 1976 a congressional committee concluded that there was probably a conspiracy in the shooting.

              I heard there may have been as many as three different shooters.

              One from behind, one from the front and one behind the grassy knoll to the front and right of the car - where I believe the fatal head shot originated.

              There's a good reason why the public wasn't allowed to see the footage for 12-15 years after the killing.

              Anyways...

              There's a movie named Parkland that tries to tell the story of what happened in the hospital after the shooting.

              I'm waiting for it to go through the "on demand" stage of it's promotion before it comes on one of the pay channels - then I'll check it out.

              The governors' wife had just finished saying to the POTUS ...

              "See Mr. President, Texas loves you" moments before the shots began.
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              • Profile picture of the author Hopeless Bromantic
                Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

                In 1976 a congressional committee concluded that there was probably a conspiracy in the shooting.

                I heard there may have been as many as three different shooters.

                One from behind, one from the front and one behind the grassy knoll to the front and right of the car - where I believe the fatal head shot originated.
                If by "conspiracy" the committee meant that someone helped Oswald with planning, instructions, or whatnot, then I would agree.

                But two or three or N shooters?

                For that to be true, the government would have to have made ALL traces of not only the shooters, but their firearms and their bullets, completely disappear. While not impossible, a feat like that would be extremely difficult even today, much less in 1963. Too many people would have to "know too much."

                And as we all know when we have that kind of situation, somebody talks eventually.
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                  Originally Posted by Hopeless Bromantic View Post


                  And as we all know when we have that kind of situation, somebody talks eventually.
                  Really?

                  Then why hasn't Jimmy Hoffa been found yet? Nobody talked.
                  Why not? Threat by the mob perhaps?

                  Oh, there have been talkers but all talked misinformation. Why? A moment of fame before they left the confounds of earth? Who knows?

                  All I know is that people don't always "talk" eventually. But if by chance there are talkers, they're just that..."talkers", not bearers of truth.


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                • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
                  Originally Posted by Hopeless Bromantic View Post

                  If by "conspiracy" the committee meant that someone helped Oswald with planning, instructions, or whatnot, then I would agree.

                  But two or three or N shooters?

                  For that to be true, the government would have to have made ALL traces of not only the shooters, but their firearms and their bullets, completely disappear. While not impossible, a feat like that would be extremely difficult even today, much less in 1963. Too many people would have to "know too much."

                  And as we all know when we have that kind of situation, somebody talks eventually.

                  People can talk all they want but who's going to listen? The major media outlets will not entertain anything outside of the warren commission's official report.

                  Are you aware of all the people who claim the Warren report changed or deleted their testimony?

                  Are you aware of all the eye witnesses who died within 3 years of the assassination?

                  Don't tell me you're buying the official warren commission report?

                  I may not know exactly who did what and how but that report is bogus.

                  Maybe the killer(s) were using high tech bullets that could curve in the air and change direction etc. like in that movie with James Mcavoy named wanted.

                  That's the only explanation I can come up with for that final head shot - if Oswald did it from behind cause it sure looked to me that it clearly came from the front of the car and to the right.

                  There was a reason the public didn't see the footage for at least 12 years.


                  All The Best!!


                  Ps. If you ever get a chance to see a movie called Executive Action do check it out.

                  They won't show it on TV anymore.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Hopeless Bromantic
                    Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

                    People can talk all they want but who's going to listen? The major media outlets will not entertain anything outside of the warren commission's official report.

                    Are you aware of all the people who claim the Warren report changed or deleted their testimony?

                    Are you aware of all the eye witnesses who died within 3 years of the assassination?

                    Don't tell me you're buying the official warren commission report?

                    I may not know exactly who did what and how but that report is bogus.

                    Maybe the killer(s) were using high tech bullets that could curve in the air and change direction etc. like in that movie with James Mcavoy named wanted.

                    That's the only explanation I can come up with for that final head shot - if Oswald did it from behind cause it sure looked to me that it clearly came from the front of the car and to the right.

                    There was a reason the public didn't see the footage for at least 12 years.


                    All The Best!!


                    Ps. If you ever get a chance to see a movie called Executive Action do check it out.

                    They won't show it on TV anymore.
                    I'm not contending that there wasn't a second shooter - or a third, or an Nth. I just strongly doubt it, that's all.

                    All the best to you as well.
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            Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

            Maybe you didn't see the Zapruter footage.

            If that's the real footage, it seemed to me that the final shot came from the front and to the right.

            We can thank former senator from PA Arlen Spector for that magic bullet theory.
            When you look at almost any footage of the shooting you see Jackie climbing onto the back of the limo. According to the Secret Service agent who is jumping onto the back of the limo, she was trying to scoop up the bone and brain matter that was on the trunk from the second shot. So at least the second shot came from the front right. The third shot came from the rear and caused Kennedy to fall forward and to the left into Jackie's lap.
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            • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
              Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

              When you look at almost any footage of the shooting you see Jackie climbing onto the back of the limo. According to the Secret Service agent who is jumping onto the back of the limo, she was trying to scoop up the bone and brain matter that was on the trunk from the second shot. So at least the second shot came from the front right. The third shot came from the rear and caused Kennedy to fall forward and to the left into Jackie's lap.
              I think the final shot came from the front and to the right.
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              • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
                Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

                I think the final shot came from the front and to the right.
                Which caused his head to move backwards.
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              • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

                I think the final shot came from the front and to the right.
                I could be wrong.
                But that's the way I remember it from watching one of the documentaries over the last few days.
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          Originally Posted by Hopeless Bromantic View Post

          The shooting forensics have been analyzed to death, and the analysis goes on with state of the art technology every time it becomes available. Still no credible evidence that anyone other than LHO fired the shots.

          However, I doubt that LHO had the emotional stability at the time to successfully execute a plan like that. Although there's no proof, I'm with those who suspect that Oswald had help from somebody. Just not sure who.
          There IS some good evidence that LHO DIDN'T fire the shots!

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          • Profile picture of the author Hopeless Bromantic
            Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

            There IS some good evidence that LHO DIDN'T fire the shots!

            Steve
            If I had to pick a suspect, I'd say that the mob was helping LHO, for a couple of reasons:

            1) RFK was on a crusade against them.
            2) Jack Ruby was a low-level associate. A guy in his position would NEVER whack somebody (in public, even) unless he had orders from higher up.
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      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      Put all preconceived notions about Alex Jones
      I would for most people, but in the case of Mr. Jones I am quite
      certain that all of my preconceived notions are accurate. :p

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      • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
        Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post

        I would for most people, but in the case of Mr. Jones I am quite
        certain that all of my preconceived notions are accurate. :p
        Couldn't be squirrelier than the Warren Commission's fantasy story.
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        Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post

        I would for most people, but in the case of Mr. Jones I am quite
        certain that all of my preconceived notions are accurate. :p
        Whatever he appears to be - he's got a good track record of being right over the long haul.

        Go ahead....you know you want to.......

        Relinquish all of the establishment's slip programming - go past the embedded reaction to the ad hominem argumentation ......................

        Ask yourself why you refuse to hear what Jones says -
        Is it because he sensationalizes until he appears to be the mad hatter at the Sunday brunch tea-party --
        Or is it because of the masses of people who raspberry on cue whenever or wherever his name is spoken? Pavlov couldn't have done better.

        The truth his - he's been right too often too often to ignore just because he has bad taste in theatrics.

        Hey baby, take a walk on the wild side. Take a peek at Jone's report. Nobody will even have to know...........
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        • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
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          Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post

          I would for most people, but in the case of Mr. Jones I am quite
          certain that all of my preconceived notions are accurate. :p

          /QUOTE]

          Whatever he appears to be - he's got a good track record of being right over the long haul.

          Go ahead....you know you want to.......

          Relinquish all of the establishment's slip programming - go past the embedded reaction to the ad hominem argumentation ......................

          Ask yourself why you refuse to hear what Jones says -
          Is it because he sensationalizes until he appears to be the mad hatter at the Sunday brunch tea-party --
          Or is it because of the masses of people who raspberry on cue whenever or wherever his name is spoken? Pavlov couldn't have done better.

          The truth his - he's been right too often too often to ignore just because he has bad taste in theatrics.

          Hey baby, take a walk on the wild side. Take a peek at Jone's report. Nobody will even have to know...........
          Compared to some of his stuff, his JFK documentary is pretty straight. He makes a very good case for his hypotheses and identifies the likely ringleader of the 'op' along with the shooter.
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          • Profile picture of the author HeySal
            Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post


            Compared to some of his stuff, his JFK documentary is pretty straight. He makes a very good case for his hypotheses and identifies the likely ringleader of the 'op' along with the shooter.
            It only seems more straight up than his other stuff because most people accept that the assassination was a conspiracy and not just a lone nutcase. Back when it happened, anyone who didn't agree with the official spew was also called a nutcase, conspiracy theorist, etc.

            Once people accept that something is going on that doesn't meet the official story square on, the evidence doesn't sound so outlandish. I remember back around the 70's when Jones was telling people the FED was a bank. People were blowing chow all over him calling him a lunatic.......but he turned out to be right, and if you look back at what he was saying decades before, none of it seems sensational any more.
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

          Whatever he appears to be - he's got a good track record of being right over the long haul.
          So do psychics and other assorted charlatans.


          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post


          Ask yourself why you refuse to hear what Jones says -
          Is it because he sensationalizes until he appears to be the mad hatter at the Sunday brunch tea-party --
          Or is it because of the masses of people who raspberry on cue whenever or wherever his name is spoken? Pavlov couldn't have done better.
          Oh, I freely admit to being one of the dogs in this case...


          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

          The truth his - he's been right too often too often to ignore just because he has his staff watch C-SPAN which is too boring for 99% of the population so it makes him look like he consults the Oracle at Delphi.

          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

          Hey baby, take a walk on the wild side. Take a peek at Jone's report. Nobody will even have to know...........
          Superb Lou reference, very convincing. Still, I think I have to
          spend that time re-lacing my boots or something. :p

          I do agree with Mr. Jones on one important point:
          World War III is already here, and it is the Information War.

          I believe we have only just entered the Information Age, which
          will be humankind's longest and greatest age yet. Just as ignorance
          is a choice in the Information Age, we also have to be very
          selective where we get our information from, because
          people with agendas are assaulting us from every angle.

          Not to spiral down the 'slip programming' rabbit hole, but...
          Yes, we go through our lives so often honestly believing that we
          can tell the difference between a truth and a lie, and yet
          the reality is that the vast majority of the time, we cannot.
          Not really!

          In the case of Mr. Jones however, having listened to his show
          for some time before meeting with him briefly in 2008,
          I can say with all confidence that I know with absolute
          certainty that he is one of the legions of people that cares
          more about finding and manipulating data to fit what he
          wants to believe and promote, rather than actually trying
          to collect all of the information and then find out what
          it means.

          Who knows, people change, perhaps he has, and perhaps it is
          wrong of me to drool venom on command to the mention of his
          name, but the two minutes that I spent in conversation
          with him were such a negative experience that I the only
          other name I can think of that invokes such a Pavlovian
          response is Nancy Grace.

          Yeah, hmm...Yup, that's about how much weight I would give to
          a documentary produced by Alex Jones... About as
          much as I would give to Nancy Grace. Two peas
          in a pod, they are.
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            Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post

            So do psychics and other assorted charlatans.




            Oh, I freely admit to being one of the dogs in this case...







            Superb Lou reference, very convincing. Still, I think I have to
            spend that time re-lacing my boots or something. :p

            I do agree with Mr. Jones on one important point:
            World War III is already here, and it is the Information War.

            I believe we have only just entered the Information Age, which
            will be humankind's longest and greatest age yet. Just as ignorance
            is a choice in the Information Age, we also have to be very
            selective where we get our information from, because
            people with agendas are assaulting us from every angle.

            Not to spiral down the 'slip programming' rabbit hole, but...
            Yes, we go through our lives so often honestly believing that we
            can tell the difference between a truth and a lie, and yet
            the reality is that the vast majority of the time, we cannot.
            Not really!

            In the case of Mr. Jones however, having listened to his show
            for some time before meeting with him briefly in 2008,
            I can say with all confidence that I know with absolute
            certainty that he is one of the legions of people that cares
            more about finding and manipulating data to fit what he
            wants to believe and promote, rather than actually trying
            to collect all of the information and then find out what
            it means.

            Who knows, people change, perhaps he has, and perhaps it is
            wrong of me to drool venom on command to the mention of his
            name, but the two minutes that I spent in conversation
            with him were such a negative experience that I the only
            other name I can think of that invokes such a Pavlovian
            response is Nancy Grace.

            Yeah, hmm...Yup, that's about how much weight I would give to
            a documentary produced by Alex Jones... About as
            much as I would give to Nancy Grace. Two peas
            in a pod, they are.
            At least you have reasoning behind your "venom". That suits me. I take what he says with a grain of salt, myself, but when he brings an issue up at all and I hear about it (I'm not actually a "follower" of his), I know where to start my own research. There's one that he missed that I'm pretty disappointed he missed. Won't start in on it here, but with all the hoopla he's thrown at some issues - he really missed a good one that could have really used his theatrics. LMAO.

            And - do I have to admit this publicly? Um...................just who the f*** is Nancy Grace? I don't believe I've ever even heard of her.
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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post

            So do psychics and other assorted charlatans.
            Actually, they DON'T! Psychics work on feedback(alex doesn't have), and state generalities so that a speech to a church, about a fund raiser, is the same as a speech to the WORLD about its imminent demise. Alex doesn't do THAT! Still, like him or not, believe him or not, a lot of general things he is talking about ARE teetering. Maybe people shouldn't so quickly just dismiss them.

            I do agree with Mr. Jones on one important point:
            World War III is already here, and it is the Information War.
            Yeah, as far as I am concerned, the cold war started around maybe 1947. A lot of people place it around that time, and it makes sense. Earlier, the US wasn't thought of much, and wasn't something others would bother with. OK, MAYBE I could get agreement with that GENERAL statement, but the SCOPE and death is where I differ with most. I COULD say more about the scope and give examples BUT.....

            NOW, as to the END of the cold war? Well, it is PICKING UP STEAM!!!!! It HASN'T ended! A cold war is simply an ongoing threat of war where things historically considered weapons aren't physically used. USUALLY people pont to the open hostility and one up mans ship between the US and the USSR. But there ARE multiple ways to attack. Russia HAS been rumored to be expert in ALL of them since AT LEAST WWII but so many forget that now!

            I believe we have only just entered the Information Age, which
            will be humankind's longest and greatest age yet.
            WOW, WHAT HUBRIS! We are ALREADY starting to see SOCIETAL problems! The government is spying on everyone, the NSA is taxing the electric, and apparently WATER resources of UTAH, etc..... The US is being accused of spying all around europe. Perhaps one of our biggest allies in the debt and financial problems was Germany, but Merkel is LIVID! And that is not simply the opinion of a few million people or so, SHE has said as much, PUBLICLY. I just put MERKEL and SPY into google, and found THIS ****GERMAN**** newsite from 2 hours ago:

            Merkel fronts Bundestag on NSA spying, Ukraine | News | DW.DE | 18.11.2013

            Anyway, society is collapsing on MANY fronts! A LOT is because of the speed, ease, and SCOPE, of technology. This coming from a guy that watched this happen from the 1980s, and has been in technology for close to 50 years. It is only NOW getting this obviously BAD!

            Just as ignorance is a choice in the Information Age, we also have to be very
            selective where we get our information from, because
            people with agendas are assaulting us from every angle.

            Not to spiral down the 'slip programming' rabbit hole, but...
            Yes, we go through our lives so often honestly believing that we
            can tell the difference between a truth and a lie, and yet
            the reality is that the vast majority of the time, we cannot.
            Not really!
            You have THAT right. You have to stand for something or you can fall for anything. ALAS, you could say the sky is blue and someone is bound to come along eventually and say it is tan with red stripes!

            In the case of Mr. Jones however, having listened to his show
            for some time before meeting with him briefly in 2008,
            I can say with all confidence that I know with absolute
            certainty that he is one of the legions of people that cares
            more about finding and manipulating data to fit what he
            wants to believe and promote, rather than actually trying
            to collect all of the information and then find out what
            it means.
            WOW, pretty confident.

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              Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

              And - do I have to admit this publicly? Um...................just who the f*** is Nancy Grace? I don't believe I've ever even heard of her.
              LOL, I love you for that.

              She was the loudest, most obnoxious voice of public opinion during
              the Casey Anthony trial, which I was unfortunately subjected to.


              Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

              Actually, they DON'T! Psychics work on feedback(alex doesn't have),
              I should have been more clear. I was speaking specifically
              to the fact that they make broad declarations, like prophets
              and other snake-oil salesmen. That being said, back when I
              listened to his show he did have feedback in the form of
              constant callers and online interactions, does he not do that
              anymore?



              Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

              WOW, WHAT HUBRIS! We are ALREADY starting to see SOCIETAL problems!
              Since the beginning of society?


              Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

              The government is spying on everyone,
              Duh? That's what governments do?


              Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

              the NSA is taxing the electric, and apparently WATER resources of UTAH, etc.....
              Interesting. Source?


              Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

              The US is being accused of spying all around europe. Perhaps one of our biggest allies in the debt and financial problems was Germany, but Merkel is LIVID! And that is not simply the opinion of a few million people or so, SHE has said as much, PUBLICLY.
              Please. Spying is one of the things governments do. And it's
              even more important to spy on your allies than it is your enemies.
              We've caught German spies before also. If Merkel has half the
              sense that I think she does, she isn't upset that the NSA is spying,
              she's upset that we got caught publicly. It's a very distracting game
              of nonsense that they all have to play now, a big waste of time.


              Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

              Anyway, society is collapsing on MANY fronts! A LOT is because of the speed, ease, and SCOPE, of technology. This coming from a guy that watched this happen from the 1980s, and has been in technology for close to 50 years. It is only NOW getting this obviously BAD!
              I just don't see it, I don't. Around the world, less people are dying of
              war and disease than at any point in recorded history (percentage-wise).
              We are mapping genomes (!!!!!!) and just sent the first man-made object
              shooting out of our Solar system. Everywhere I look, humankind is
              moving toward greatness, and these things would not be possible
              if our societies were on the verge of collapse.

              Challenges? Yes. Problems? Hell yes! But collapse? Nope.
              Growth, change, advancement... We don't live in a time bubble, after all.
              Old frauds and out-dated concepts have come to the Internet to die.
              They are fighting for their life and trying to overwhelm the
              world with massive amounts of accusations supported by
              fake evidence, but the death blow has already been landed.
              The Internet is just too powerful for the liars. As pointed out
              by the NSA exposure, nobody is safe from the light now.

              Humankind's greatest "Age" yet is only just beginning.


              Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

              WOW, pretty confident.
              I tried to allude to the fact that perhaps I shouldn't judge
              a man's entire life's works based on the two-minute
              conversation that I endured with him. Please consider
              that stated more clearly now.

              Still, it's a Russel's Teapot sort of situation for me. I know for
              an absolute fact that he was completely wrong about the
              specific accusation he tried to convince me of, and he
              went so far out of his way to engender "proof" of it
              that I am perfectly fine going the rest of my life thinking
              most everything else he claims is probably tainted with
              some sort of misinformation as well, be they lies of
              commission or omission.
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              • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post

                I should have been more clear. I was speaking specifically
                to the fact that they make broad declarations, like prophets
                and other snake-oil salesmen. That being said, back when I
                listened to his show he did have feedback in the form of
                constant callers and online interactions, does he not do that
                anymore?
                Well I, like many, have only listened to some videos. ***I*** have not listened to him and given him MY feedback, so he couldn't tailor it to ME like a "psychic" would. I never said he was right 100% of the time, or even 70%. I haven't bothered to even TRY to check until someone like TL put up a video trying to discredit him. SUPPOSEDLY, it was ALL bull! Yet like 50% came true, and maybe 10% or so was CLOSE.

                HEY some, like him, and perhaps HE did, said that Y2K would cause planes to fall from the sky. That was ALWAYS BULL!!!!! Outside of time estimates, and GPS coordinates relying on RELATIVE TIME that DON'T USE TIME CLOCKS, I doubt they use time AT ALL! But SOME IDIOTS said NOTHING happened and now CROW saying SEE!?!?!? SEE!?!?!?!??!? NOTHING HAPPENED! Well, people DID get overcharged for late charges. Some bills DID stop! Some DOUBLE CHARGES occurred. HECK, CYBERCASH, which used to be like THE internet payment platform WENT BANKRUPT because of problems caused by Y2K. HERE is what wikipedia says:

                On January 1, 2000, many users of CyberCash's ICVerify application fell victim to the Y2K Bug, causing double recording of credit card payments through their system.[3] Although CyberCash had already released a Y2K-compliant update to the software, many users had not installed it.
                The company filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy on March 11, 2001. VeriSign acquired the Cybercash assets (except for ICVerify) and name a couple of months later. On November 21, 2005 PayPal (already an eBay company) acquired VeriSign's payment services, including Cybercash. [4]
                So WHY "weren't there any problems"? People worked for YEARS to avoid the problems! They WAITED FOR THEM! They worked to fix as many that occurred as possible. But THEY DID HAPPEN! Yet people STILL call that a myth and scam!

                Since the beginning of society?
                Societies come and go. It is like a bipolar guy taking drugs. Eventually they go off and have a RELAPSE!

                Duh? That's what governments do?

                Please. Spying is one of the things governments do. And it's
                even more important to spy on your allies than it is your enemies.
                We've caught German spies before also. If Merkel has half the
                sense that I think she does, she isn't upset that the NSA is spying,
                she's upset that we got caught publicly. It's a very distracting game
                of nonsense that they all have to play now, a big waste of time.
                NEVER to this degree! They NEVER COULD!

                I just don't see it, I don't. Around the world, less people are dying of
                war and disease than at any point in recorded history (percentage-wise).
                We are mapping genomes (!!!!!!) and just sent the first man-made object
                shooting out of our Solar system. Everywhere I look, humankind is
                moving toward greatness, and these things would not be possible
                if our societies were on the verge of collapse.

                Challenges? Yes. Problems? Hell yes! But collapse? Nope.
                Growth, change, advancement... We don't live in a time bubble, after all.
                Old frauds and out-dated concepts have come to the Internet to die.
                They are fighting for their life and trying to overwhelm the
                world with massive amounts of accusations supported by
                fake evidence, but the death blow has already been landed.
                The Internet is just too powerful for the liars. As pointed out
                by the NSA exposure, nobody is safe from the light now.

                Humankind's greatest "Age" yet is only just beginning.




                I tried to allude to the fact that perhaps I shouldn't judge
                a man's entire life's works based on the two-minute
                conversation that I endured with him. Please consider
                that stated more clearly now.

                Still, it's a Russel's Teapot sort of situation for me. I know for
                an absolute fact that he was completely wrong about the
                specific accusation he tried to convince me of, and he
                went so far out of his way to engender "proof" of it
                that I am perfectly fine going the rest of my life thinking
                most everything else he claims is probably tainted with
                some sort of misinformation as well, be they lies of
                commission or omission.

                GEE, India just sent up its first rocket, and they have a GREAT DISPARITY OF PEOPLES! NAZI GERMANY sent up a rocket! RUSSIA HAS! PLEASE don't present that as if it is a holy grail of some sort. They ALSO cured, AND CREATED, diseases!

                Steve
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                • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
                  Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

                  NEVER to this degree! They NEVER COULD!
                  But always near the maximum degree of what they could.
                  And, people who want to protect their privacy have tools to
                  do so as well-- It works both ways.



                  Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

                  GEE, India just sent up its first rocket, and they have a GREAT DISPARITY OF PEOPLES! NAZI GERMANY sent up a rocket! RUSSIA HAS! PLEASE don't present that as if it is a holy grail of some sort. They ALSO cured, AND CREATED, diseases!
                  Steve
                  "Holy grail"? Hardly, I would never present anything as such.

                  India: A country where growth of technology and wealth has
                  far out-paced its growth as a nation. But, technology itself is
                  shining a light on that very fact, and they are being forced to
                  change for the better.

                  Nazi Germany: Life is in the future, not the past. Currently
                  and for the near future, Germany is propping up half the countries
                  in Europe. And, for all of the complaints about the Euro, they
                  are enjoying a time of peace that they haven't had for centuries.


                  There are growing pains, to be sure, nobody can deny that.
                  And we are currently in a time of great change around the world,
                  so there are going to be a lot of them.

                  But over all, the world is a better place, society as a whole
                  is far more just and stable, and technology is helping humankind
                  shrug off the old, limiting superstitions and lies of the past to
                  become an even more positive and powerful world.

                  The sky isn't falling, that's just the falling pieces of the
                  newly shattered glass ceiling.
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                  • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                    For what it's worth, the route they took that day was not the route that JFK's people mapped out.
                    A friend of mines father was a friend and worked for JFK as one of his advance men who did things like plan out his routes.
                    The route they took was one that Connolly insisted they take and not the one JFK's guy planned for them.
                    The man I'm talking about is in his 80's now and still suffers from the depression he has from not insisting they take the route he planned out.

                    Just thought I'd add that he has written a book about his time working with the Kennedy brothers. http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3...he-advance-man
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        • Profile picture of the author Kurt
          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

          Whatever he appears to be - he's got a good track record of being right over the long haul.

          Go ahead....you know you want to.......

          Relinquish all of the establishment's slip programming - go past the embedded reaction to the ad hominem argumentation ......................

          Ask yourself why you refuse to hear what Jones says -
          Is it because he sensationalizes until he appears to be the mad hatter at the Sunday brunch tea-party --
          Or is it because of the masses of people who raspberry on cue whenever or wherever his name is spoken? Pavlov couldn't have done better.

          The truth his - he's been right too often too often to ignore just because he has bad taste in theatrics.

          Hey baby, take a walk on the wild side. Take a peek at Jone's report. Nobody will even have to know...........
          No Jones hasn't been right "too often". He has been horrible in his predictions.

          It probably isn't best to use ad hominem attacks in comments claiming that others are using ad hominem attacks.

          And how do we know it isn't you that's been "slip programmed" into thinking everyone else has been slip programmed?

          Take a walk on the factual side:

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        Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post

        I would for most people, but in the case of Mr. Jones I am quite
        certain that all of my preconceived notions are accurate. :p
        He likes peanuts????:confused:
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    Or, there's Roger Stone at stonezone dot com.


    "Now I have an ax to grind. I outline the truth in my book "The Man Who Killed Kennedy: The Case Against LBJ" which concludes that JFK was killed by a conspiracy that included LBJ, the CIA and their confederates in the mob as well as Texas Oil men. I name the shooter--and it isn't Lee Harvey Oswald. "
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

      Or, there's Roger Stone at stonezone dot com.


      "Now I have an ax to grind. I outline the truth in my book "The Man Who Killed Kennedy: The Case Against LBJ" which concludes that JFK was killed by a conspiracy that included LBJ, the CIA and their confederates in the mob as well as Texas Oil men. I name the shooter--and it isn't Lee Harvey Oswald. "
      George Hickey, a Secret Service agent riding in the car behind Kennedy, "accidentally" shot the president.

      It's a tough, tough business, selling conspiracy garf. :rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        George Hickey, a Secret Service agent riding in the car behind Kennedy, "accidentally" shot the president.

        It's a tough, tough business, selling conspiracy garf. :rolleyes:
        I've read this thread. It doesn't seem to be all that tough.
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    the grassy knoll, not the texas book suppository
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  • Profile picture of the author djtrillian
    Originally Posted by trader909 View Post

    his own secret service guy....not Oswald.....but his own agent by mistake. Makes perfect sense now. First time I watched all the evidence presented in such a way. UK (Sat. evening TV)

    I saw that and it's very compelling. I have also seen some things about Oswald having met with Cubans in Mexico and that a connection was well known by the Warren commission but they did not want to alarm the public or stir anything up so they focused on making the 'lone crazed gunman' story fit.

    The secret service accident theory certainly fits all the suspicious behaviour and appearance of some kind of cover-up.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by djtrillian View Post

      I saw that and it's very compelling. I have also seen some things about Oswald having met with Cubans in Mexico and that a connection was well known by the Warren commission but they did not want to alarm the public or stir anything up so they focused on making the 'lone crazed gunman' story fit.

      The secret service accident theory certainly fits all the suspicious behaviour and appearance of some kind of cover-up.
      Cover-up is an understatement; it's more like on the order of obstruction of justice and acts of treason.


      The results/conclusions of research conducted after the passage of the so-called JFK Act in 1992 involve but are not limited to:

      1.) The extant Skull X-rays (which Radiation Oncologist and Physicist Dr. David W. Mantik has proven utilizing the techniques of optical densitometry, stero viewing and bright lighting as well as original research in which he successfully reproduced the "special effects" present on the films), are forged composite copies of originals. They currently reside in the National Archives in Virginia.

      2.) Cervical X-rays fail to demonstrate bony trauma which should have ocurred if the Warren Commission Single Bullet Theory (SBT) was true. It has been conclusively proven that Warren Commission member and former President Gerald R. Ford moved the location of the alleged back wound from the level of T 3-4 to the lower neck in an attempt to establish the plausibility of the SBT. This was morally reprehensible and represented a complete violation of his responsibility to the nation as a commission member. Had his despicable act been made known to the nation he would no doubt have faced indictment and trial for obstruction of justice and treason.

      Source: http://jfkassassinationconspiracyupd...-evidence.html
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
    Um, a gun?
    Just thinking.

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  • Profile picture of the author rondo
    Originally Posted by trader909 View Post

    his own secret service guy....not Oswald.....but his own agent by mistake. Makes perfect sense now. First time I watched all the evidence presented in such a way. UK (Sat. evening TV)
    Was that JFK: The Smoking Gun with the Aussie detective?
    I enjoyed that and I thought he had a pretty convincing argument.

    Also, has anyone seen O'Reily's movie Killing Kennedy yet? Any good? It's on TV here tonight.


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  • Profile picture of the author alistair
    Originally Posted by trader909 View Post

    his own secret service guy....not Oswald.....but his own agent by mistake. Makes perfect sense now. First time I watched all the evidence presented in such a way. UK (Sat. evening TV)
    Thanks for letting me know, I can now sleep easier at night not having to worry about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author taskemann
    Originally Posted by trader909 View Post

    his own secret service guy....not Oswald.....but his own agent by mistake. Makes perfect sense now. First time I watched all the evidence presented in such a way. UK (Sat. evening TV)
    Saw this theory on NatGeo. They busted this myth when they laser-scanned the footage and improved it.

    The Secret Service guy in the front seat did only turn his head around, and nothing else. No hands were seen.

    They did also laser-scan and improved another footage of the headshot, and you could clearly see that the shot came from behind somewhere as the brainmass splattered forward through the exit wound.

    And if Secret Service would have put him down by themselves, why do it in front of a large audience?
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  • Profile picture of the author trader909
    yes that as it. 1st time i seen a picture of the security guy in the car behind with the rifle.

    Damm..imagine that one accidental shot hitting him...

    No wonder they covered it up.

    Was that JFK: The Smoking Gun with the Aussie detective?
    I enjoyed that and I thought he had a pretty convincing argument.
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  • Profile picture of the author trader909
    and the rifle?

    It was an accidental shot...not on purpose.

    Saw this theory on NatGeo. They busted this myth when they laser-scanned the footage and improved it.

    The Secret Service guy in the front seat did only turn his head around, and nothing else. No hands were seen.

    They did also laser-scan and improved another footage of the headshot, and you could clearly see that the shot came from behind somewhere as the brainmass splattered forward through the exit wound.

    And if Secret Service would have put him down by themselves, why do it in front of a large audience?
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  • Profile picture of the author IndianaJones
    It is time to make a new Indiana Jones Movie titled:

    Indiana Jones And The Hunt For JFK's Killer
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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    Here's a documentary from Alex Jones' mob (Prison Planet). Not sure if it's the one previously referred to, but here it is anyway.


    NB: I posted this because it is on topic. I offer no opinion on whether it's on the right track or completely whacko. Watch and make up your own mind.

    On Mr Jones, apart from being a shameless self-publicist, he dishes it up to both the Left and Right, and has fans from both as well. Whether he's delivering what people want to hear, or what they need to hear, is in the ear of the beholder.
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