43 {{ upvoteCount | shortNum }}
43 {{ upvoteCount | shortNum }}

Meat Cruelty

by seasoned
34 replies
  • OFF TOPIC
    • |
I have seen a LOT of cruelty, and seen many ways animals are prepared. This goes BEYOND anything anyone could rationalize! It doesn't save space, it WASTES it! It doesn't reduce time! It doesn't make it safer! It isn't more methodical! Etc.....

WalmartCruelty.com - The hidden cost of Walmart's pork. BTW ths SAYS walartcruelty, but it is really talking about tyson.

Steve
  • Profile picture of the author Silas Hart
    I worked for Tyson Foods in Columbus Junction, Iowa for a couple of years, shoulder to shoulder with all of the refugees from Burma and the illegal mexican workers. I worked on the kill floor and later in the freezer. Absolutely disgusting, and I have not touched pork since. Half of the animals are DOA especially in the summer months when they have been sitting in the back of a steel trailer with minimal airflow for 3 days cause them to decompose quicker when they die - and its not like they just throw them away either - they are cut up and packaged just like the rest of them.

    The probelm with the people in the video is Tyson Foods (who buys pork, they don't raise swine themselves), and the problem with Tyson Foods is Walmart. There is such an extremely small profit and harsh demands, it's either that you have to follow their rules and their time constraints or lose money and have to pay Tyson Foods for breach of contract, and if you are a swine company with 800+ swine in rotation - good luck recouping any of your money back when you lose your contract with Tyson and have to sell everything off for less than 1/10th of what you've put into equipment and swine not including the cost of labor.

    One time when the rail gun was broken and instead of waiting 2 hours for someone to come replace it, we had to stun/kill the swine with regular hammers - which half of the time didn't even kill them, getting sawed into half probably did but they were scalded in hot water before you could even tell.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8731479].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Silas Hart View Post

      One time when the rail gun was broken and instead of waiting 2 hours for someone to come replace it, we had to stun/kill the swine with regular hammers - which half of the time didn't even kill them, getting sawed into half probably did but they were scalded in hot water before you could even tell.
      At least YOU used hammers! Bowling balls, sheets of wood, shaking, and kicking are SLOWER, NOT FASTER!

      Steve
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8731527].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
    That is so inhumane! We have the stockyards here in Chicago and from what I understand, the cows and sheep get one bullet to the head which is an instant death without suffering
    Signature
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8731500].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
      Banned
      Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

      That is so inhumane! We have the stockyards here in Chicago and from what I understand, the cows and sheep get one bullet to the head which is an instant death without suffering
      This is why I love wild game. Not only is the flavor of the meat superior (to me), but the animal lives in the wild doing what it loves to do until it ends with a fast bullet. It is then prepared and packaged in the cleanest conditions that the hunter themselves requires.

      Same with local farm or your farm raised animals. The proportion of store bought meat to game has always been about 75% game, 25% store bought meat for me, even as a child growing up.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8732061].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author socialentry
    You know Mike Tyson once knocked out a bull with only three punches.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8731603].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Sarevok
    Wtf man I find that to be very offensive, even as a grizzly meat eater.

    It's bad enough that we're conducting wanton slaughter of turkeys this week...

    The least we can do is respect the creatures until their untimely departure.

    Respect the animals. Even though we devour them.

    If I ran things I'd hire some PETA reps to oversee that organization and their procedures.
    Signature
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8731703].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
    I think I might have just become a vegetarian.
    Signature

    :)

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8731708].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by mojojuju View Post

      I think I might have just become a vegetarian.
      This.

      I didn't even watch all of the first video. Watching them whack the pigs heads over the concrete then letting them convulse in agony was effing disgusting. I couldn't work in a place like that because If I saw someone doing that in front of me, they'd only be breathing for as long as it took me to get to them and I'm not talking about the pigs.

      This also brings up other worrying questions. If they enjoy doing things like that, what are they capable of doing to another human?
      Signature

      Wibble, bark, my old man's a mushroom etc...

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8732204].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        This also brings up other worrying questions. If they enjoy doing things like that, what are they capable of doing to another human?
        I can understand someone working in a slaughterhouse..if they need the money. I can even understand getting used to it. Maybe, I couldn't get used to it...but you do what you have to do.

        But I know that there are people that really enjoy the cruelty. I've met a few. I don't know what's broken inside them.....

        But these people are evil. The lowest of the low.
        Signature
        One Call Closing book https://www.amazon.com/One-Call-Clos...=1527788418&sr

        What if they're not stars? What if they are holes poked in the top of a container so we can breath?
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8739386].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Anne0521
    Awww......looks like I can't eat meat anymore.
    Signature
    Photo Canvas
    Bird Proofing
    Gutter Guards
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8732086].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
    I haven't touched meat since 2005 and I have no regrets.
    Signature
    Free Special Report on Mindset - Level Up with Positive Thinking
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8732323].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
      Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

      I haven't touched meat since 2005 and I have no regrets.
      I couldn't eat just greens and tofu! Doesn't your mouth water even just looking at the image?


      Signature
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8732548].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
        Banned
        Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

        I couldn't eat just greens and tofu! Doesn't your mouth water even just looking at the image?
        Mine does. Vegetables don't cut it for me.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8732603].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
        Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

        I couldn't eat just greens and tofu! Doesn't your mouth water even just looking at the image?
        Don't get me wrong, I'm not going veggie but having watched that, especially the piglets, I would like to see humans that do that put in prison.

        Or shot.

        Preferably the latter.
        Signature

        Wibble, bark, my old man's a mushroom etc...

        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8732669].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
    I just want to take a moment to appreciate that this thread on "meat cruelty"
    was started by someone with the unsername "seasoned". :p
    Signature

    The bartender says: "We don't serve faster-than-light particles here."

    ...A tachyon enters a bar.

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8732668].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
    Banned
    I deplore the cruelty of the big meat companies and corporate farms and there should be better regulations in place to stop that kind of abuse.

    Not to make light of the topic, because I care a great deal about animals, but vegetables don't fare to well either.

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8733191].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author mlrooney
    It's so upsetting how we treat any kind of animal. Just because we are at the top of the food chain does not mean we are superior, and does not give anyone the right to just kill animals for fun. We eat meat to survive, and shouldn't go to disgusting lengths to kill our food.

    All this media hype lately about trophy hunters makes me sick to my stomach. It's one thing if they hunt to eat what they kill, but it's another when they kill just because.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8736638].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I didn't look at the pics. I know about this stuff and can't even fathom how humans became so loathsome that they will do this to other life forms. I refuse to eat factory farm meat at all. I will not support them. If it were legal -- I'd give any farmer who mass produces animals a bullet through the forehead. It's bullshyte, plain and simple. Those are the same guys who don't really give much of a rat's ass what YOU are eating either. Stuff those animals with any GMO or chemical they can to get more of YOUR money. If you get sick off the meat --- well we already know what they think of life that isn't themselves.

    Meat should not be a human's main form of sustenance. There should be no such thing as a factory farm. Meat should be from local farmers who pasture their animals and feed them natural food and no chemicals.

    If I have no choice but factory farm I just don't eat meat - you can eat healthy with meat only a few times a week - and organic eggs, milk, and cheese from local farms. Otherwise, I'm just supporting the suffering and I CANNOT do that with any form of conscience.
    Signature

    Sal
    When the Roads and Paths end, learn to guide yourself through the wilderness
    Beyond the Path

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8736776].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author scubasteve-cr
    People want their food cheap. This is how you get cheap food. Don't like it? Vote with your wallet. Don't buy Tyson products.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8737041].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by scubasteve-cr View Post

      People want their food cheap. This is how you get cheap food. Don't like it? Vote with your wallet. Don't buy Tyson products.
      I agree, the trouble is, Tyson have now dumped that particular Oklahoma pig farm and the farm owner has, apparently, terminated the jobs of the employees who were seen in the video.

      I can't help thinking that not buying Tyson products won't actually stop sadistic dickheads getting jobs on random pig farms and doing things like that. The owners of the farm need to make sure their employees are not doing things like this, whether they're pigs destined for cheap food or not.

      If the owner of the pig farm faced jail if their employees are caught doing this, that might make them take a bit more responsibility.

      Tyson Foods dumps pig farm after NBC shows company video of alleged abuse - Investigations
      Signature

      Wibble, bark, my old man's a mushroom etc...

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8738452].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
        Banned
        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        If the owner of the pig farm faced jail if their employees are caught doing this, that might make them take a bit more responsibility.

        Tyson Foods dumps pig farm after NBC shows company video of alleged abuse - Investigations
        I didn't watch the video. I can't stand to see animal abuse. Glad to see that all the news about it caused them to lose their contract and jobs. There are laws against animal cruelty and if this is on video, perhaps there's more bad news to come for those involved.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8738706].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          I didn't watch the video. I can't stand to see animal abuse. Glad to see that all the news about it caused them to lose their contract and jobs. There are laws against animal cruelty and if this is on video, perhaps there's more bad news to come for those involved.
          I guess a LOT of people didn't! MANY cultures traditionally kill the animal quickly at some point. There is even the belief that not doing so can hurt the taste or nutritional value.

          But that film does NOT show a way to cut costs. Chasing animals around and throwing bowling balls, or hitting them with a piece of plywood, or shaking them is SLOW! It can hurt the appearance of the meat enough to devalue it. It can hurt property, other animals, and employees!

          The only reason I can see for them doing that is that they are SADISTIC!

          Steve
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8740284].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
            Banned
            Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

            I guess a LOT of people didn't! MANY cultures traditionally kill the animal quickly at some point. There is even the belief that not doing so can hurt the taste or nutritional value.

            But that film does NOT show a way to cut costs. Chasing animals around and throwing bowling balls, or hitting them with a piece of plywood, or shaking them is SLOW! It can hurt the appearance of the meat enough to devalue it. It can hurt property, other animals, and employees!

            The only reason I can see for them doing that is that they are SADISTIC!

            Steve
            That is true. Hunters will tell you that a panicked deer that flees or doesn't die quickly and has a large adrenaline rush prior to death, is practically ruined in flavor, so it stands to reason that would be true for all animals.

            No, this is a not a cost cutting measure. Just pure evil.
            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8741551].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        I agree, the trouble is, Tyson have now dumped that particular Oklahoma
        I don't buy Tyson because I have a cousin who worked in one of their
        plants in NE OK and she said that they used to over-bleach
        all of the chicken-- a lot.

        When we were kids, she used to go on and on about how terrible it was.
        Never understood why she didn't just come back and work on the farm
        with the rest of us-- Until she married one of her co-workers, haha.

        (For those who didn't know, chicken is often soaked in bleach to
        make look more white, and thus more desirable.)
        Signature

        The bartender says: "We don't serve faster-than-light particles here."

        ...A tachyon enters a bar.

        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8739351].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
          Everyone is cruel to meat.

          They stab it, cut it and eat it.
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8739381].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author katrim
      Originally Posted by scubasteve-cr View Post

      People want their food cheap. This is how you get cheap food. Don't like it? Vote with your wallet. Don't buy Tyson products.
      The masses decide and the masses don't know, don't care.
      I mean you, as an individual can vote with your wallet and do a good thing for yourself but it won't count on a bigger level.

      Cheap is cheap, cheap is good.
      Signature
      Get This Facebook Loophole!
      I reached one in every 215 US citizens with a simple Facebook post spending only $42. Click here to see how I did it

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8740379].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author alistair
    I won't watch the video because there's not really much point unless I want to be sickened and disturbed even more by the many disgusting people of this world. It really makes me wonder how so many "ordinary" people all over the world can do such disgusting things, not only to defenceless animals but to each other.

    To be honest in the past I never really gave it much thought about watching these kind of videos but I think gradually it does start to have a negative affect on your mind so I won't do it anymore if I can help it.

    I don't believe or disbelieve in the big "G" (not google) but I really hope there is some kind of heaven and hell when our time is up.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8738919].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Hogre
    I won't watch the video,but I have watched Food Inc.What you're being served as "food" I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole.

    What the U.S. corporations such as Tyson and Monsanto are capable of doing to their own people makes you wonder what they'd do to other people.That's why we're fighting GMOs.

    Nothing like a cup of fresh unpasteurized milk from a cow that feeds freely on the pastures.

    Or homemade ham and bacon.You can sense these pigs had a joyful,careless life!
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8742100].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author AnniePot
      I feel I should also mention the abhorrent cruelty inflicted upon horses shipped south into Mexico for slaughter. People assume that these are old, sick, worn out horses. Not so. A great many of them are young and healthy thoroughbred and quarter horse racehorses whose only crime was that that aren't quite fast enough to earn viable prize money for their owners. Some have sustained injuries while racing but rather than spend the money to bring them back to racing fitness, they are shipped off from the track to the feedlot where they are auctioned off to the slaughter buyers.

      I've always loved thoroughbreds and been involved in various ways in their racing and breeding, but I walked away from that several years ago. I found I could no longer justify my association with the 'sport'.

      From the US based feedlots, these horses are crammed with electric prods into trucks and shipped south into Mexico, often traveling for several days in blazing heat with no water. Unwanted broodmares have been known to give birth during this ride, their newborn foals trodden under foot.

      Many Mexican slaughter facilities condone the practice of haphazardly stabbing the horses in the heart area until they are killed. This saves on the price of a bullet. Other more 'lucky' horses are relieved of their misery with a shot to the head either from a gun, or a humane (??) killer, but remember, many of the people wielding these implements have absolutely no experience in how to use them correctly, and many horses pass on to to being hoisted up by their hind legs and skinned whilst still alive.

      Horse slaughter is a multi-million dollar industry for Mexico (and also Canada). They sell the resulting meat to horsemeat consuming countries all around the world.

      I could post videos, but I won't.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8742205].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by AnniePot View Post

        I feel I should also mention the abhorrent cruelty inflicted upon horses shipped south into Mexico for slaughter. People assume that these are old, sick, worn out horses. Not so. A great many of them are young and healthy thoroughbred and quarter horse racehorses whose only crime was that that aren't quite fast enough to earn viable prize money for their owners. Some have sustained injuries while racing but rather than spend the money to bring them back to racing fitness, they are shipped off from the track to the feedlot where they are auctioned off to the slaughter buyers.

        I've always loved thoroughbreds and been involved in various ways in their racing and breeding, but I walked away from that several years ago. I found I could no longer justify my association with the 'sport'.

        From the US based feedlots, these horses are crammed with electric prods into trucks and shipped south into Mexico, often traveling for several days in blazing heat with no water. Unwanted broodmares have been known to give birth during this ride, their newborn foals trodden under foot.

        Many Mexican slaughter facilities condone the practice of haphazardly stabbing the horses in the heart area until they are killed. This saves on the price of a bullet. Other more 'lucky' horses are relieved of their misery with a shot to the head either from a gun, or a humane (??) killer, but remember, many of the people wielding these implements have absolutely no experience in how to use them correctly, and many horses pass on to to being hoisted up by their hind legs and skinned whilst still alive.

        Horse slaughter is a multi-million dollar industry for Mexico (and also Canada). They sell the resulting meat to horsemeat consuming countries all around the world.

        I could post videos, but I won't.
        You're right. There is something about a horse, that many people like. One of my favorite anecdotes is what a horse did with me when, as a little kid, I decided to see what he would do when I let him go where he wanted. Here's a hint! He must have been hungry, and showed me where he lived. Oh well, I got a good laugh out of that!

        I THINK the US outlawed horsemeat, at least for humans to eat in the US. Apparently, they recently lifted the ban for slaughter in the US, so they can export.

        Of course, there IS the traditional "Bone and hide" glue.

        Steve
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8742395].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author socialentry
        Originally Posted by AnniePot View Post


        I could post videos, but I won't.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8743311].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author mmorgan3415
    I also saw the video of the pigs at a Tyson farm. It was amazing how these people could ever work and get away treating animals in such an inhumane way. Supposedly those guys got fired after the video was brought to light but I'm sure there are plenty more farms such as this one.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8743011].message }}

Trending Topics