Pizza Hut manager fired for refusal to open on Thanksgiving Day

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What a sacrifice.

One that I would not have made had I been in the same position as this guy.

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Daily Kos: Pizza Hut manager fired for refusal to open on Thanksgiving Day
  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Rohr told his bosses he would not open the store and thus says he was let go. He claims he did it for his employees
    But - they aren't "his employees". He's not the owner. If he were the owner he could open or close as he chose. He received instructions from his boss and he refused to follow those instructions. It's pretty stupid to throw away a job you've had for ten years.

    Domino's Pizza is advertising they will be open for limited hours on Thanksgiving - not surprising the competition would do the same. Most of my friends will be working that day - I'm off but will be going out to eat as I don't have family here.

    I doubt very much customers wanting to order a pizza to go with the ball game care who is running the store. Maybe we should boycott the football games that day to protest players having to work on Thanksgiving?
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

    I'm surprised that the writers at KOS aren't applauding YUM for standing up to the religious establishment.

    A national holiday for giving thanks to God?

    Horrors! Stamp it out immediately.
    Wrong camp.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I'm not arguing it's a great place to work - I'd hate it.

      I am arguing that when you work for someone else, you keep the hours they require for the job. The manager may feel a responsibility toward the workers he manages - but he doesn't pay them and they aren't his employees.

      When I was a kid nothing was open on holidays. If you wanted gas for the car - you had to get it before the holiday. If you needed groceries, you had to plan ahead.

      Then gas stations and groceries began opening for a few hours on holidays - and business was brisk so they increased the hours. People who didn't have family or couldn't get home wanted to eat out so restaurants began staying open on holidays.

      It's the same with Walmart and other stores that are open 24 hrs a day. That was not the norm a few years ago but customers wanted it so the stores obliged to make more profit.

      I wonder how many workers who are scheduled to work on Thanksgiving and complaining about it - will stop in to buy gas or pick up smokes or something at the grocery and think nothing of it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Clyde Dennis
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        ...when you work for someone else, you keep the hours they require for the job...
        ...The End
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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        I'm not arguing it's a great place to work - I'd hate it.

        I am arguing that when you work for someone else, you keep the hours they require for the job. The manager may feel a responsibility toward the workers he manages - but he doesn't pay them and they aren't his employees.

        When I was a kid nothing was open on holidays. If you wanted gas for the car - you had to get it before the holiday. If you needed groceries, you had to plan ahead.

        Then gas stations and groceries began opening for a few hours on holidays - and business was brisk so they increased the hours. People who didn't have family or couldn't get home wanted to eat out so restaurants began staying open on holidays.

        It's the same with Walmart and other stores that are open 24 hrs a day. That was not the norm a few years ago but customers wanted it so the stores obliged to make more profit.

        I wonder how many workers who are scheduled to work on Thanksgiving and complaining about it - will stop in to buy gas or pick up smokes or something at the grocery and think nothing of it.
        Agree.

        Also - I remember there were always a few restaurants open, though. Everything else shut down. The restaurants always served traditional thanksgiving meals so if a family didn't want to buy and cook all that food or there weren't enough to bother to cook that much for they could still get their thanksgiving meal. They weren't open the whole day, either. The employees weren't too unhappy about working it because it was STILL all about the holiday. Basically one of the reasons we use the term "good old days" so frequently. Businesses were part of communities instead of voracious corporations that will chew up and spit out anything that gets in their paths.
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    • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
      Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

      Dunno. Always thought you were kinda campy.

      Most KOS readers are.
      You're the wordsmith right?

      Just remember you're entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts.
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  • Profile picture of the author bertyounger
    I wonder if the owner is going to show up or spend the time with family but besides that who the hell wants their crummy pizza on Thanksgiving?
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I think it's ridiculous for pizza joints to open on Thanksgiving, a day when so many families are cooking enough food to last a week and feed 12 people. But it's their rules. I was a manager for that crap outfit and jobs weren't so scarce then so I walked in one day, through my keys on the counter and left for good. Pizza Hut burns up staff.
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    • Profile picture of the author Midnight Oil
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      I think it's ridiculous for pizza joints to open on Thanksgiving, a day when so many families are cooking enough food to last a week and feed 12 people.
      I can see it in a college area where there are a lot of students left behind for the holidays. I know a lot of mom n' pop pizza joints have opened for years in college towns. There may be a pretty good market for young adults with no families and nowhere else to go, or large cities in general. I don't see it working in just any Smalltown, USA, though.
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      • Profile picture of the author ThomM
        When I worked in the food industry working certain holidays where mandatory, Thanksgiving being one of them.
        Like Midnight Oil said many places are open on the holidays. the world doesn't close.
        Thanksgiving eve is one of the busiest bar nights around here, especially bars with live music. Heck I'm even setting in for a couple songs with the Whiskey River Nightmare Band tomorrow night. Thanksgiving evening is also a busy bar night.
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    • Profile picture of the author Midnight Oil
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      I was a manager for that crap outfit
      This really took me back.

      I was a manager for them also, way back in the early eighties. It wasn't a bad gig and I was young enough that I probably wouldn't have even noticed if it were. I "got to" open the restaurant by myself. No one else scheduled until about an hour before opening, which was great. The juke box guy showed me how to run that without having to spend my own quarters. From about 6 am until 10 am I was on my own with the music cranked up as loud as it would go. He used to give me all the 45s when he changed selections, so that was a huge bonus for me at the time. Plus, it was a college town, so a lot of students worked there who also liked to party.

      Only one thing I never really liked. I worked there at the same time the Personal Pan Pizzas were introduced. I would have to make a few hundred or more of those every morning and then wash all those pans by hand before I left. I think I lost a girlfriend over my dishpan hands.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by Midnight Oil View Post

        This really took me back.

        I was a manager for them also, way back in the early eighties. It wasn't a bad gig and I was young enough that I probably wouldn't have even noticed if it were. I "got to" open the restaurant by myself. No one else scheduled until about an hour before opening, which was great.
        I had an opening crew every day ... except for Thanksgiving. It appears they knew no one wanted Pizza on Thanksgiving due to historical sales data, so the General Managers pretty much ran the stores by themselves all day, with a whole 3 or 4 customers. Pretty useless.
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    • Profile picture of the author socialentry
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      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      I think it's ridiculous for pizza joints to open on Thanksgiving, a day when so many families are cooking enough food to last a week and feed 12 people. But it's their rules. I was a manager for that crap outfit and jobs weren't so scarce then so I walked in one day, through my keys on the counter and left for good. Pizza Hut burns up staff.
      Yeah but they have good pizza
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  • Profile picture of the author Midnight Oil
    Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

    What a sacrifice.

    One that I would not have made had I been in the same position as this guy.
    I've been in exactly this same position. I've probably spent 15 years or more working Thanksgiving and/or Christmas Day. Not the greatest thing in the world, but certainly not worth throwing away your job over (or future jobs). Certainly not a wise choice.

    In my experience, many restaurant workers prefer to work that day because if they're closed, they lose a day's pay. Plus, they generally get time and a half. Many servers really like it because they can dramatically increase their tips for the day.

    From the article:
    However, its customers and citizen advocates can decide to eat elsewhere during the holidays in a show of protest.
    Ah, another boycott. What exactly is the author wanting to protest? The fact that some guy threw his job away?

    Some folks make such a huge deal about restaurants and others who are open on Thanksgiving and Christmas. Most never stop to think that the world doesn't just stop on those days.

    They don't mind stopping at the convenience store for gas, chips and cola on those days. They don't mind hopping a plane on those days. They don't mind reading newspapers or online news sites that operate on those days. They don't mind their web host operating on those days. They don't mind watching television or going to the movies on those days. They don't mind having running water, electricity and phone service on those days. All of these, and many more, actually have . . . gasp . . . real live people working on those days.

    Further, society has changed. This isn't grandma and grandpa's world anymore. Many people don't stop to think that a huge segment of our population, especially the elderly, would have no where else to spend Thanksgiving or Christmas if not for an open restaurant.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    There's obviously enough people out there not eating Turkey, otherwise it wouldn't be profitable for a pizza joint to stay open. And like Kay said, this guy is not the owner. If he wants his say, he needs to buy his own business.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Seriously, the guy must be a fool to be a store manager & refuse to work.

    The good news is someone with a better attitude is getting a new manager position for the holidays (perfect timing for someone else). Plenty of people in this world that would like to have a higher paying job.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Seriously, the guy must be a fool to be a store manager & refuse to work.

      The good news is someone with a better attitude is getting a new manager position for the holidays (perfect timing for someone else). Plenty of people in this world that would like to have a higher paying job.
      I'm sure he knew he'd get canned. With Pizza Hut, it's not negotiable and managers know it. As for his staff, if he is general manager, he is in control of who works and who doesn't work and there are sometimes people who don't celebrate the holidays and don't care.

      But Pizza Hut uses historical data to staff their restaurants and if you overstaff and don't have the sales to support it, you "blow labor" and do that often enough and you'll get canned for that too. That's why I spent Thanksgiving and Christmas Eve alone in the Pizza Hut I managed, other than an Assistant Manager. There were hardly any customers on those days in my store, which was in an upscale, busy location.
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      • Profile picture of the author ThomM
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        I'm sure he knew he'd get canned. With Pizza Hut, it's not negotiable and managers know it. As for his staff, if he is general manager, he is in control of who works and who doesn't work and there are sometimes people who don't celebrate the holidays and don't care.

        But Pizza Hut uses historical data to staff their restaurants and if you overstaff and don't have the sales to support it, you "blow labor" and do that often enough and you'll get canned for that too. That's why I spent Thanksgiving and Christmas Eve alone in the Pizza Hut I managed, other than an Assistant Manager. There were hardly any customers on those days in my store, which was in an upscale, busy location.
        Every eatery that's been in business uses historical data for everything from staffing to ordering food. That's for every day they are open, not just holidays.
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

          Every eatery that's been in business uses historical data for everything from staffing to ordering food. That's for every day they are open, not just holidays.
          Well, I'm sure they do, but I've managed two restaurants so I speak to my own experience rather than facts that I can only assume.
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          • Profile picture of the author ThomM
            Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

            Well, I'm sure they do, but I've managed two restaurants so I speak to my own experience rather than facts that I can only assume.
            Yep it's pretty much restaurant management 101
            I've got some years of kitchen experience and a degree in Culinary Arts. Combine that with my (sometimes) overwhelming desire to point out the obvious, and you get my last post
            It's kind of like when a weatherman HAS to tell you it snowed last night, after you shoveled your driveway.:rolleyes:
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        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        There were hardly any customers on those days in my store, which was in an upscale, busy location.
        And this is probably why you had few customers. Shops in less ritzy markets probably saw higher sales. Upscale customers doubtfully see going to The Hut a viable Thanksgiving option. Customers in less affluent locales might see it as better than going to McDonalds.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Seriously, the guy must be a fool to be a store manager & refuse to work.

      The good news is someone with a better attitude is getting a new manager position for the holidays (perfect timing for someone else). Plenty of people in this world that would like to have a higher paying job.
      No, not a fool. He knew he was going to get cut for it. He's just a guy with principles that is sick of seeing people treated like bought and owned indentured servants by corporations. If enough people actually did this, the companies would have to re-think their policies. They need employees to keep in business so can only fight so hard against those holidays themselves. This guy made a statement that it's wrong to take people's holidays from them needlessly and if enough of the employees and managers followed suit, eventually the corporation would be forced to give holidays again. Simple econ 101.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        No, not a fool. He knew he was going to get cut for it. He's just a guy with principles that is sick of seeing people treated like bought and owned indentured servants by corporations. If enough people actually did this, the companies would have to re-think their policies. They need employees to keep in business so can only fight so hard against those holidays themselves. This guy made a statement that it's wrong to take people's holidays from them needlessly and if enough of the employees and managers followed suit, eventually the corporation would be forced to give holidays again. Simple econ 101.
        Can't speak to Pizza Hut, but speaking generally, there are many who are not only willing but look for holidays to work. My mother was a waitress in a diner for years. If she didn't get scheduled to work a holiday she switched with someone with young kids and didn't want to work the holiday. The tips were always better.

        Sounds good to call all these corporations evil, etc. but the food industry in particular has a long history of staying open on holidays because they know there are many who either don't celebrate them or who would rather eat out than cook.

        Most companies, restaurants, etc. look for people willing to work the holidays before requiring people to stay. But if they can't find enough willing participants then they have to staff them somehow.

        Sorry, but companies aren't evil because they want to make money. If this manager had issues with working holidays he should have found work outside the food/retail industry. Holiday and/or weekend work is no secret in that sector...
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

          Can't speak to Pizza Hut, but speaking generally, there are many who are not only willing but look for holidays to work. My mother was a waitress in a diner for years. If she didn't get scheduled to work a holiday she switched with someone with young kids and didn't want to work the holiday. The tips were always better.

          Sounds good to call all these corporations evil, etc. but the food industry in particular has a long history of staying open on holidays because they know there are many who either don't celebrate them or who would rather eat out than cook.

          Most companies, restaurants, etc. look for people willing to work the holidays before requiring people to stay. But if they can't find enough willing participants then they have to staff them somehow.

          Sorry, but companies aren't evil because they want to make money. If this manager had issues with working holidays he should have found work outside the food/retail industry. Holiday and/or weekend work is no secret in that sector...
          My ex husband is an executive chef who put on an enormous upscale buffet in a hotel for Thanksgiving every year and it was always packed with a long line waiting. There are a lot of people who DO celebrate, but choose not to cook it themselves.

          When I've gone out in every area that I've ever lived in on Thanksgiving day, it was like a ghost town. With the stores moving up the Christmas shopping frenzy earlier and earlier, I assume that may have changed. I really rarely ever go out on Thanksgiving for anything, so I don't know.
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
            Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

            My ex husband is an executive chef who put on an enormous upscale buffet in a hotel for Thanksgiving every year and it was always packed with a long line waiting. There are a lot of people who DO celebrate, but choose not to cook it themselves.

            When I've gone out in every area that I've ever lived in on Thanksgiving day, it was like a ghost town. With the stores moving up the Christmas shopping frenzy earlier and earlier, I assume that may have changed. I really rarely ever go out on Thanksgiving for anything, so I don't know.
            I live near a popular outlet mall. So popular in fact that on "black Friday" a few years back it made national news because it took over six hours to get out of the parking lot.

            Needless to say I avoid that end of town during holiday sales.

            The last few years they opened on Thanksgiving night (midnight usually) for an early sale. Now they are open all Thanksgiving. And I'll be nestled all snug in my house eating until I burst
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            • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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              Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

              I live near a popular outlet mall. So popular in fact that on "black Friday" a few years back it made national news because it took over six hours to get out of the parking lot.

              Needless to say I avoid that end of town during holiday sales.

              The last few years they opened on Thanksgiving night (midnight usually) for an early sale. Now they are open all Thanksgiving. And I'll be nestled all snug in my house eating until I burst
              I avoid the Christmas madness altogether. I shop one day and one day only and that's never on a weekend or evening when most others are shopping. Christmas has gotten so commercial, that it's an unpleasant, crazy holiday to me. My family has grown with my kids having kids and we've eliminated gift giving to all but the children. I go to Toys R Us one afternoon and pick up a gift card for each child. Takes me 15 minutes. Shopping done. The kids love to do their own shopping after Christmas and I love Christmas without all that craziness.
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              • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
                Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                I avoid the Christmas madness altogether. I shop one day and one day only and that's never on a weekend or evening when most others are shopping. Christmas has gotten so commercial, that it's an unpleasant, crazy holiday to me. My family has grown with my kids having kids and we've eliminated gift giving to all but the children. I go to Toys R Us one afternoon and pick up a gift card for each child. Takes me 15 minutes. Shopping done. The kids love to do their own shopping after Christmas and I love Christmas without all that craziness.
                Yeah, I do 95% of my shopping on line now. Free shipping makes it a no brainer for me. I was in some store right after Halloween and the Christmas stuff was already coming out. Sheesh. I get NO enjoyment being in a store or mall during the holiday season.

                Funny - in my house when my wife plays Christmas music in early November I yell "bah humbug!". For me, that's just too early.
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                  Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

                  Yeah, I do 95% of my shopping on line now. Free shipping makes it a no brainer for me. I was in some store right after Halloween and the Christmas stuff was already coming out. Sheesh. I get NO enjoyment being in a store or mall during the holiday season.

                  Funny - in my house when my wife plays Christmas music in early November I yell "bah humbug!". For me, that's just too early.
                  Absolutely. I love online shopping. If I can get it online, I do. Not for Christmas because I just walk in and get the gift cards for the kids, but for other gifts like for birthdays and for shopping for music, books, electronics, etc. it's online for me.
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        • Profile picture of the author HeySal
          Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

          Can't speak to Pizza Hut, but speaking generally, there are many who are not only willing but look for holidays to work. My mother was a waitress in a diner for years. If she didn't get scheduled to work a holiday she switched with someone with young kids and didn't want to work the holiday. The tips were always better.

          Sounds good to call all these corporations evil, etc. but the food industry in particular has a long history of staying open on holidays because they know there are many who either don't celebrate them or who would rather eat out than cook.

          Most companies, restaurants, etc. look for people willing to work the holidays before requiring people to stay. But if they can't find enough willing participants then they have to staff them somehow.

          Sorry, but companies aren't evil because they want to make money. If this manager had issues with working holidays he should have found work outside the food/retail industry. Holiday and/or weekend work is no secret in that sector...
          I know, Mike. I worked in the tourism industry for a long time - and love the industry, even though it's a "holidays manditory" industry. When I was with my late finacee we ate grilled cheese and tomato soup for our traditional Tgiving dinner, then had a turkey sometime during the week later when we both had off.

          Not all "companies" are evil - but every damned large corporation on this earth is. They are completely souless money machines and most will actually kill employees if it means making an extra dime. The only thing that stops them is legislation.

          In my view, life has gotten way too money oriented and hectic. It would be nice to go back to a time when everything that wasn't really necessary to be open closed for Holidays - get people's heads out of wallets for a day and into some of the more important things in life again. If someone WANTS to work the holiday, I see nothing wrong with it - but to force people to work all holidays in businesses that don't really need to be open is just pushing too hard. Okay - so they only profit 8 bil instead of 8 bil for the year if they knock off on a holiday or two. Really. Is it that hard to imagine not pushing for the bucks a few days a year? Is it really? If it is, we're in some deep shyte.

          Serious - look what rampant consumerism has done to the US. We have people ready on the day after Thanksgiving (a day to give thanks for what we already have) ready to trample a human to death to get to a sale. Corporatization - and we have companies willing to kill employees to get that extra dime.

          It's just stinking crazy. Just hope those of you who don't agree live through the consumerist nightmare of Black Friday that corporations have taught you so well to celebrate if you go shopping that day.
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          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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            Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

            In my view, life has gotten way too money oriented and hectic. It would be nice to go back to a time when everything that wasn't really necessary to be open closed for Holidays - get people's heads out of wallets for a day and into some of the more important things in life again. If someone WANTS to work the holiday, I see nothing wrong with it - but to force people to work all holidays in businesses that don't really need to be open is just pushing too hard. Okay - so they only profit 8 bil instead of 8 bil for the year if they knock off on a holiday or two. Really. Is it that hard to imagine not pushing for the bucks a few days a year? Is it really? If it is, we're in some deep shyte.

            Serious - look what rampant consumerism has done to the US. We have people ready on the day after Thanksgiving (a day to give thanks for what we already have) ready to trample a human to death to get to a sale. Corporatization - and we have companies willing to kill employees to get that extra dime.

            It's just stinking crazy. Just hope those of you who don't agree live through the consumerist nightmare of Black Friday that corporations have taught you so well to celebrate if you go shopping that day.
            Couldn't agree more, however, I doubt that it will change except eventually the Christmas rush will start on Mother's Day eventually. It's ridiculous, but people choose to be that way.

            I choose not to participate in that madness at all. As I said, I stay home on the holidays even though my Thanksgiving and Christmas comes days after the actual holidays due to my kids going to their in-laws.

            Many years ago, we as a family decided to take consumerism out of Christmas and I haven't missed it at all. I don't get any presents for Christmas. Only the children in the family do, except for whatever my children want to exchange between themselves and their spouses.

            I used to buy into all that crap. I had more lights on the Christmas tree, more decorations in the house, more expensive presents (because money means love, right?). It was insane. My house looked like a garish parody of Christmas heaven. lol.

            I'm done with it. I don't put up a tree or decorate either anymore. I simply choose not to participate in the madness. I'd rather spend the day cooking for homeless people than contributing to out of control commercialism of Christmas. Christmas is more fun and a lot more meaningful to me now.
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
            You have to take the bad with the good Sal. It is what it is. And keep in mind that these souless companies stay open on Thanksgiving because they are serving those who want to shop on those days. In other words, if the masses didn't want it, the stores wouldn't be open.

            It's a vicious cycle...

            I remember the days when stores closed for the major holidays. I grew up in the shopping capital of the northeast. I could literally walk to 4 shopping malls. The county still has "blue laws" limiting what can be open on Sundays. Except for the holiday season.

            When you own a store or any company you have to make tough decisions. Some people will work the holidays no problem but some won't, so you have to make a schedule and some won't be happy. It's nice to envision a world where we can all decide for ourselves when we will work but that's just not reality. And it's not evil either. Some stores make half their years take during the holiday season with a big chunk of THAT on black friday, etc. The alternative for many stores like this is don't work on these days, then go out of business - and put people out of work.

            And how dare these companies look to make a profit...what's this world coming to! :p

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            I know, Mike. I worked in the tourism industry for a long time - and love the industry, even though it's a "holidays manditory" industry. When I was with my late finacee we ate grilled cheese and tomato soup for our traditional Tgiving dinner, then had a turkey sometime during the week later when we both had off.

            Not all "companies" are evil - but every damned large corporation on this earth is. They are completely souless money machines and most will actually kill employees if it means making an extra dime. The only thing that stops them is legislation.

            In my view, life has gotten way too money oriented and hectic. It would be nice to go back to a time when everything that wasn't really necessary to be open closed for Holidays - get people's heads out of wallets for a day and into some of the more important things in life again. If someone WANTS to work the holiday, I see nothing wrong with it - but to force people to work all holidays in businesses that don't really need to be open is just pushing too hard. Okay - so they only profit 8 bil instead of 8 bil for the year if they knock off on a holiday or two. Really. Is it that hard to imagine not pushing for the bucks a few days a year? Is it really? If it is, we're in some deep shyte.

            Serious - look what rampant consumerism has done to the US. We have people ready on the day after Thanksgiving (a day to give thanks for what we already have) ready to trample a human to death to get to a sale. Corporatization - and we have companies willing to kill employees to get that extra dime.

            It's just stinking crazy. Just hope those of you who don't agree live through the consumerist nightmare of Black Friday that corporations have taught you so well to celebrate if you go shopping that day.
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            • Profile picture of the author HeySal
              Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

              You have to take the bad with the good Sal. It is what it is. And keep in mind that these souless companies stay open on Thanksgiving because they are serving those who want to shop on those days. In other words, if the masses didn't want it, the stores wouldn't be open.

              It's a vicious cycle...

              I remember the days when stores closed for the major holidays. I grew up in the shopping capital of the northeast. I could literally walk to 4 shopping malls. The county still has "blue laws" limiting what can be open on Sundays. Except for the holiday season.

              When you own a store or any company you have to make tough decisions. Some people will work the holidays no problem but some won't, so you have to make a schedule and some won't be happy. It's nice to envision a world where we can all decide for ourselves when we will work but that's just not reality. And it's not evil either. Some stores make half their years take during the holiday season with a big chunk of THAT on black friday, etc. The alternative for many stores like this is don't work on these days, then go out of business - and put people out of work.

              And how dare these companies look to make a profit...what's this world coming to! :p

              Sorry - we have to agree to disagree on this one. I think it's absolutely sick that we are not allowed to collectively take a day off from being consumers and wage slaves for a few days we call "holidays" during the year. I realize a few things need to be open necessarily - but when we can't shut down our shopping habits, when we can rely on a holiday off for ONE damned day 3 or 4 times a year -- it's just a very sick mindset. You think about that one for awhile and I think you will understand where I'm coming from.
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              • Profile picture of the author Midnight Oil
                Just curious . . .

                For those of you who are so against the restaurants and retailers being open on Thanksgiving:

                Will you be shutting down your websites and stop accepting sales for the day?

                Will you be shutting down your Amazon and other affiliate sites?

                Will you avoid spending time at, and avoid posting on, this forum, other forums, Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, etc?

                Will you be removing your business links in your signatures?

                Will you be pausing your WSO's for the day?

                Will you refrain from sending your regular email blasts?

                Will you pause any other ads you may have running?

                Will you be removing yourself from all internet activity?

                If not, what exactly sets you apart from any of the other evil businesses that, for their own profit and gain, force people to work on Thanksgiving?
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                  "Wage slaves" is such a victim term. What it means is "he's got a job".
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                  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
                    Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                    I think it's ridiculous for pizza joints to open on Thanksgiving, a day when so many families are cooking enough food to last a week and feed 12 people.
                    Ahem . . . I'd take pizza over turkey any day. Well, except deep-fried turkey maybe -- if I would have had pizza within the last 2-3 days. But, my wife is a traditionalist so we'll have turkey and maybe ham.

                    We're aren't having Thanksgiving until Saturday though. That the first day both kids are off work. I wonder if that manager considered that not everyone celebrates on the holiday, or that many workers would rather work the holiday for the holiday pay and extra tip money?

                    Maybe the manager just didn't want to work the holiday himself. Can't always go by what is reported because information is usually left out.
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                    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

                      Ahem . . . I'd take pizza over turkey any day. Well, except deep-fried turkey maybe -- if I would have had pizza within the last 2-3 days. But, my wife is a traditionalist so we'll have turkey and maybe ham.

                      We're aren't having Thanksgiving until Saturday though. That the first day both kids are off work. I wonder if that manager considered that not every celebrates on the holiday, or that many workers would rather work the holiday for the holiday pay and extra tip money?

                      Maybe the manager just didn't want to work the holiday himself. Can't always go by what is reported because information is usually left out.
                      The rest of the story just came out. This Pizza Hut had Thanksgiving Day off in the past and it was now being taken away from them ... one of only two days off in the entire year.

                      I really don't care what restaurants and retail do on Thanksgiving. I always vote with my actions. I just don't participate in all the Black Friday madness. I stay home and the chickens make me feed them. They are such slave drivers!

                      I too never celebrate Thanksgiving on Thanksgiving. One daughter is a nurse and the Emergency Room ain't closed on Thanksgiving Day (and aren't we all thankful for that?). And this year my son can't make it on the Sat after due to a funeral. The audacity of someone dieing near holidays! So we're celebrating not this Sat, but the following Sat. lol. I guess it's called "flexible holidays."
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                      • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
                        I think of the people that work at a business as humans with a few needs to their own time now and again rather than as "human resources".
                        Just as an aside, how did that loathsome term "human resources" ever become popular? Back when I started work, employees were "personnel" - a word that at least made them sound more like people than livestock.


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                        • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
                          Probably when attorneys got involved.

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                          Just as an aside, how did that loathsome term "human resources" ever become popular?
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                      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                        I too never celebrate Thanksgiving on Thanksgiving. One daughter is a nurse and the Emergency Room ain't closed on Thanksgiving Day (and aren't we all thankful for that?). And this year my son can't make it on the Sat after due to a funeral. The audacity of someone dieing near holidays! So we're celebrating not this Sat, but the following Sat. lol. I guess it's called "flexible holidays."
                        I recently watched a video that said over 4000 homes burned down last year due to deep frying TURKEYS on thanksgiving! I imagine a number of people went to the ER as a result.

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                      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
                        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                        The rest of the story just came out. This Pizza Hut had Thanksgiving Day off in the past and it was now being taken away from them ... one of only two days off in the entire year.
                        My example speculation was off, but it's like I said, "Can't always go by what is reported because information is usually left out."

                        Trust me. When a Pizza Hut manager decides to quit, they leave babbling incoherently.
                        Wait a minute, weren't you a . . . oh, uh, never mind.
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                          Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

                          Wait a minute, weren't you a . . . oh, uh, never mind.
                          lol ... yes, and I left babbling incoherently, as did the one before me at that store. I remember when I met him on the night he was to leave and I was to take over. We had a meeting with the District Manager in the store. The DM introduced us and he looked at me like he pitied me. I didn't understand what that was about. Then the DM asked him what his plans were now.

                          He said ... going fishing.
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                      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

                      Can't always go by what is reported because information is usually left out.
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                • Profile picture of the author HeySal
                  Originally Posted by Midnight Oil View Post

                  Just curious . . .

                  For those of you who are so against the restaurants and retailers being open on Thanksgiving:

                  Will you be shutting down your websites and stop accepting sales for the day?

                  Any other business out there has the option of having a website. Should someone actually deprive their own business because someone else doesn't "get it"? Really. If you have a business and can make sales without having to do anything you don't want to on a day here or there, you should deprive yourself because some other dude can't cut it in the market. Anybody buying from you on a holiday is kinda shopping addicted, I would think. That's sad.

                  Will you be shutting down your Amazon and other affiliate sites?

                  See above.

                  Will you avoid spending time at, and avoid posting on, this forum, other forums, Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, etc?

                  Possibly for awhile - but I'll want to at least be on my own forum.........of course, I've become friends with, and have met many of the members so, yes, I'll be online for a tad, but to converse, not to shop or sell.

                  Will you be removing your business links in your signatures?

                  Now why would I work like that on a Holiday, when I just have to put them back up again? Make sense, dude. Nope - the sig file rides.

                  Will you be pausing your WSO's for the day?

                  Been awhile since I put one up........I don't even really know where they are - again, I'm not taking anything down for the day that I'm just going to have to put back up in 24 hours. That's freaking Nuts. Ya think the stores are gonna take their signs down for the day? Serious.

                  Will you refrain from sending your regular email blasts?

                  Don't do email marketing, but if I sent an email blast on a holiday - I'd at least have the class to blast a thanksgiving greeting rather than an ad. Business should not be allowed to make one tacky, and sending an ad on a holiday is tacky.


                  Will you pause any other ads you may have running?

                  See above (24 hour work involvedd, yadda yadda)

                  Will you be removing yourself from all internet activity?

                  You're ideology is becoming redunt at this point. We know by this point if we will be online or not - what we haven't yet established is the purpose. Will we be playing, working our own businesses -- or just spending a couple hours on a holiday to take things down that we have to turn around and put up again so we're fair to business who are to batshyte stupid to have an online presence. Me? - I'll be playin'.

                  If not, what exactly sets you apart from any of the other evil businesses that, for their own profit and gain, force people to work on Thanksgiving?

                  I think of the people that work at a business as humans with a few needs to their own time now and again rather than as "human resources". It would never bother me to cease business for one or two days on a holiday, provided it wasn't considered "necessary". I probably will never own a business which would provide anything considered "necessary", but would work as few employees as possible even so. Profit is a good thing. Driven obsession with money is not. I find the reluctance of corporations to shut down for a day on traditional holidays a symptom of a larger disease. I find the level of consumerism installed in our people completely disturbing. I have a lot of reasons for thinking so - and for watching.
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                • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                  Originally Posted by Midnight Oil View Post

                  Just curious . . .

                  For those of you who are so against the restaurants and retailers being open on Thanksgiving:

                  Will you be shutting down your websites and stop accepting sales for the day?

                  Will you be shutting down your Amazon and other affiliate sites?

                  Will you avoid spending time at, and avoid posting on, this forum, other forums, Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, etc?

                  Will you be removing your business links in your signatures?

                  Will you be pausing your WSO's for the day?

                  Will you refrain from sending your regular email blasts?

                  Will you pause any other ads you may have running?

                  Will you be removing yourself from all internet activity?

                  If not, what exactly sets you apart from any of the other evil businesses that, for their own profit and gain, force people to work on Thanksgiving?
                  Actually, the issue is people WHO DO celebrate Thanksgiving with their families (and there are a lot of people who don't), not being able to have the day off. So tell me how relevant is any of this:

                  Will you be shutting down your websites and stop accepting sales for the day?
                  No employees run my websites on Thanksgiving. They are static and don't require a human to do anything to them on Thanksgiving.

                  Will you be shutting down your Amazon and other affiliate sites?
                  No employees run my websites on Thanksgiving. Same as above.

                  Will you avoid spending time at, and avoid posting on, this forum, other forums, Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, etc?
                  Many websites run without the aid of humans for at least one day. How does anyone know the ethnicity and culture of people who are working on the Internet on Thanksgiving Day or whether or not they object?

                  Will you be removing your business links in your signatures?
                  Right. I have a full time employee who works daily to take care of my signature and he'd better take care of it on Thanksgiving or he's fired.

                  Will you be pausing your WSO's for the day?
                  I'll have to ask my WSO pauser whether or not he'd like to work or not. Really, the WSOs are static. No employee works on Thanksgiving if they don't want to just because a static page is running.

                  Will you refrain from sending your regular email blasts?
                  What! You mean an individual can't work if they want to? I personally wouldn't send an email blast on Thanksgiving, but I imagine some voluntarily do and probably still are able to make it to a Thanksgiving dinner with family if they choose to.

                  Will you pause any other ads you may have running?
                  Ads are passive. What difference does this make to the real issue of people who celebrate Thanksgiving not being able to celebrate?

                  Will you be removing yourself from all internet activity?
                  Will anyone have to work against their wishes if I don't? Not likely.

                  Now to things that are relevant. I do not buy gas, go to a convenience store or any other store, or go to a restaurant on Thanksgiving day. I don't go anywhere on Thanksgiving Day. What about you?
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                  Originally Posted by Midnight Oil View Post

                  Just curious . . .

                  For those of you who are so against the restaurants and retailers being open on Thanksgiving:

                  Will you be shutting down your websites and stop accepting sales for the day?

                  Will you be shutting down your Amazon and other affiliate sites?

                  Will you avoid spending time at, and avoid posting on, this forum, other forums, Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, etc?

                  Will you be removing your business links in your signatures?

                  Will you be pausing your WSO's for the day?

                  Will you refrain from sending your regular email blasts?

                  Will you pause any other ads you may have running?

                  Will you be removing yourself from all internet activity?

                  If not, what exactly sets you apart from any of the other evil businesses that, for their own profit and gain, force people to work on Thanksgiving?

                  I guess the answer is NO to all those questions because they are not
                  selling food, so they are not in competition with the family meal.

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      • Profile picture of the author Midnight Oil
        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        No, not a fool. He knew he was going to get cut for it. He's just a guy with principles that is sick of seeing people treated like bought and owned indentured servants by corporations. If enough people actually did this, the companies would have to re-think their policies. They need employees to keep in business so can only fight so hard against those holidays themselves. This guy made a statement that it's wrong to take people's holidays from them needlessly and if enough of the employees and managers followed suit, eventually the corporation would be forced to give holidays again.
        Which companies and corporations exactly?

        Just restaurants and retail?

        Are the people who work there somehow more important than the employees who will still be working Thanksgiving Day to keep your internet, website, payment processor, phone, radio, cable, power and water running?

        Where does it all end? Everybody gets the day off?
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        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        No, not a fool. He knew he was going to get cut for it. He's just a guy with principles that is sick of seeing people treated like bought and owned indentured servants by corporations. If enough people actually did this, the companies would have to re-think their policies. They need employees to keep in business so can only fight so hard against those holidays themselves. This guy made a statement that it's wrong to take people's holidays from them needlessly and if enough of the employees and managers followed suit, eventually the corporation would be forced to give holidays again. Simple econ 101.
        Lol, he's a fool If he was a store manager refusing to work.

        I've worked in chain restaurants years ago, trust me, there's thousands of people willing to work for every person that refuses to work. Those restaurants have stacks of applications.

        The good news is Domino's Pizza is always hiring drivers, so he can waste another 10 years working his way into management.
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  • Profile picture of the author GforceSage
    It goes a long way to show respect to your employees for two days that most people want off. The thing to do twice a year is close on Thanksgiving and Christmas. If you want to, leave a sign-up list for those who would be interested in working on those two days. Some people want to keep busy on those days and don't mind working. If you have enough folks interested, you open, otherwise, you are closed. You would be surprised how much morale improves when you include your people on decisions of this nature...It's only two days.

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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    ... Anyway .... sorry if someone missed Thanksgiving dinner because I responded to that :rolleyes:, but apparently Pizza Hut has been shamed into hiring the employee back.

    Pizza Hut manager offered job back after Thanksgiving disagreement - CNN.com
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      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      ... Anyway .... sorry if someone missed Thanksgiving dinner because I responded to that :rolleyes:, but apparently Pizza Hut has been shamed into hiring the employee back.

      Pizza Hut manager offered job back after Thanksgiving disagreement - CNN.com
      Someday chain franchises will "get it". Guess it's just easier running a business that comes with ready made standards and rules. Not sure if Pizza Hut is actually "franchised" but either way - if the manager doesn't know best about the local market, why the hell is he the manager? Employees, in the long run, ARE the local market, and they should be taken care of well at all costs.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        Someday chain franchises will "get it". Guess it's just easier running a business that comes with ready made standards and rules. Not sure if Pizza Hut is actually "franchised" but either way - if the manager doesn't know best about the local market, why the hell is he the manager? Employees, in the long run, ARE the local market, and they should be taken care of well at all costs.
        I worked as manager for Corporate Pizza Hut, but there are franchises also. Apparently, this store had been closed on Thanksgiving and Christmas previously, so now they were taking away a major holiday that their employees previously had off.

        Franchises can make their own hours, but word came back from Corporate to offer this guy his job back. There are a lot of Pizza Huts that do not open on Thanksgiving. I'm glad he got it back if he still wants it.
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      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      ... Anyway .... sorry if someone missed Thanksgiving dinner because I responded to that :rolleyes:, but apparently Pizza Hut has been shamed into hiring the employee back.

      Pizza Hut manager offered job back after Thanksgiving disagreement - CNN.com

      He can thank the internet because word really travels far, wide and fast these days.
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      • Profile picture of the author Midnight Oil
        I appreciate the comments. But the reality is that there are many people workiing behind the scenes today to make sure our businesses continue to operate. People who work for our hosting companies, people who provide technology and services to keep the hosting companies operating, people who keep our payment processors running, people who provide our internet connections, people who make sure adservers are running, people who are working to keep social media sites working, people working at Google to make sure our AdSense and AdWords and such are functioning, people working at Amazon who fill the orders coming in from affiliate sites, etc.

        If you're paying for a service that allows you to conduct business, then yes, you do employ people to work today.

        More than likely, there are far more people working behiind the scenes today to make sure our businesses are running than are employed at that Pizza Hut franchise or even at the local Walmart. Certainly more than are working at the convenience store down the street today.

        It makes no sense to me that business owners operating today would complain about, attack or call for boycotts on others for doing the same thing. Those business owners are still a cell in the organism, a cog in the wheel, another brick in the wall. They can justify it however they wish, but in reality, it's all the same.

        If a business chooses to operate today, whether it be an online business or a brick and mortar, I support their decision to do so.

        I don't support protests, attacks, boycotts, derogatory labels and rage against those who choose to operate today.

        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        I do not buy gas, go to a convenience store or any other store, or go to a restaurant on Thanksgiving day. I don't go anywhere on Thanksgiving Day. What about you?
        Most likely I won't be buying gas or going to the store. After 30+ years in restaurants, I certainly won't be going to one. Actually, I won't be going anywhere.

        I will be watching cable from time to time, reading some news and other websites, may listen to some music or watch some videos. I'll probably spend some time tinkering with some existing sites or a couple that are under development. I'm sure I'll text or call a few people and exchange a few emails. I've already received emails from WooThemes and others wanting me to check out today's offerings, so I might do that. There's a WSO I've been thinking of buying, so I may do that today. I did buy some underwear and socks on Amazon earlier. I'll be thankful for all the businesses and people working today who allow me to do these things.

        I'll also be spending time with my daughters and their families who'll be stopping by. It'll be our second Thanksgiving Day together in many years. As I mentioned further upstream, I spent 15 years or more working in restaurants on Thanksgiving Day so there was some shuffle for family during that time.

        But spending a day together labeled Thanksgiving on the calendar isn't really all that important to us and never has been. Any day that we can spend together is a blessing and worthy of thanks.
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by Midnight Oil View Post

          I appreciate the comments. But the reality is that there are many people workiing behind the scenes today to make sure our businesses continue to operate. People who work for our hosting companies, people who provide technology and services to keep the hosting companies operating, people who keep our payment processors running, people who provide our internet connections, people who make sure adservers are running, people who are working to keep social media sites working, people working at Google to make sure our AdSense and AdWords and such are functioning, people working at Amazon who fill the orders coming in from affiliate sites, etc.

          If you're paying for a service that allows you to conduct business, then yes, you do employ people to work today.
          ......

          But spending a day together labeled Thanksgiving on the calendar isn't really all that important to us and never has been. Any day that we can spend together is a blessing and worthy of thanks.
          And many of those Internet and technology jobs are outsourced to people who could care less about Pilgrims or any other holiday we celebrate.

          Thanksgiving Day (Jour de l'Action de grâce in Canadian French) is a national holiday celebrated primarily in the United States and Canada as a day of giving thanks for the blessing of the harvest and of the preceding year. Several other places around the world observe similar celebrations. It is celebrated on the fourth Thursday of November in the United States and on the second Monday of October in Canada.
          There are other countries that celebrate a similar holiday and most are all on different days than ours. So, as I said, many people do not care about this holiday at all.

          I personally don't care at all about it either. We can't get together on Thanksgiving, so we do it on the weekend instead and to me it's really just a great time for family to get together.

          ... but apparently this Pizza Hut, with American employees, had always given the staff two holidays, Thanksgiving and Christmas. Now they took away 50% of their holiday benefits, and holidays are included in a benefits package. Did they offer to compensate those employees for a reduced benefit package or did they just say tough luck, you will now be working for fewer benefits.

          I too worked in the restaurant business for many years, and I was one of the employees that always volunteered for working when others were trying to get away. The tips were always a lot bigger during the holidays, so when I was a server, there was a big financial incentive to work the holidays.

          Our family still managed to have a day to celebrate and get together, whether it was on the actual holiday or not. Unfortunately, many do not get additional compensation for working on the holidays.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            Turns out the story is a bit different. It wasn't "pizza hut - the huge company" but one francise owner who decided to open on Thanksgiving.

            After the media storm the corporate office contacted the franchisee about opening on the holiday.

            What people don't bother to learn is that Elkhart, Indiana has an unemployment rate of more than 11% - and has a negative job growth. In a town of 50k - how well do you think businesses there are doing?

            It isn't a story about a big corporation making "wage slaves" out of people. I expect it's about a franchise owner trying to keep profit up by opening any day he can. Turned out to be a dumb move due to the social media storm.
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            • Profile picture of the author Midnight Oil
              Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

              What people don't bother to learn is that Elkhart, Indiana has an unemployment rate of more than 11% - and has a negative job growth. In a town of 50k - how well do you think businesses there are doing?
              Yeah, that location is probably struggling to stay open as it is. I'd love to see his sales.

              Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

              It isn't a story about a big corporation making "wage slaves" out of people.
              I agree. And that label that folks throw around is so very demeaning to the people they supposedly support.

              Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

              I expect it's about a franchise owner trying to keep profit up by opening any day he can. Turned out to be a dumb move due to the social media storm.
              You're right. Like I said above, there were really so many more ways this Pizza Hut manager and the franchisee could have worked this out.

              What gets me is all of the really vile, nasty things being posted about this business. And the calls to boycott it.

              Really not worth setting up the employees you supposedly care so much about for a possible job loss or reduced hours should the business close or slow as a result of any boycotts.

              Given the situation, I really don't look for that location to be open for very much longer. I wonder how many of the protesters will be there for the employees then.
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              • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                Originally Posted by Midnight Oil View Post

                Yeah, that location is probably struggling to stay open as it is. I'd love to see his sales.
                If opening on Thanksgiving is going to make or break a company, it's already dead.

                Originally Posted by Midnight Oil View Post

                Given the situation, I really don't look for that location to be open for very much longer. I wonder how many of the protesters will be there for the employees then.
                People will forget about that little protest by tomorrow. They'll be too busy trampling little children to get into stores to worry about a Pizza Hut.

                I'm not a protester of companies opening on Thanksgiving. I choose not to participate in Black Friday madness and that includes not shopping locally on Thanksgiving. The manic crowds bulldozing their way into stores, not caring whether or not they're trampling people bothers me a great deal and to me, that kind of idiocy could wait one more day so that as many people as possible who want to enjoy Thanksgiving with their families, can do so.
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                • Profile picture of the author Midnight Oil
                  Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                  If opening on Thanksgiving is going to make or break a company, it's already dead.
                  Didn't say it would make or break the company. I said that location was probably already struggling to stay open.

                  But, yeah, an extra day of sales could actually save many businesses. Or keep them running a bit longer at the very least.

                  Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                  People will forget about that little protest by tomorrow.
                  This, and the part you removed about no one caring about that little Pizza Hut except for its employees, was exactly my point.
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                  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                    Originally Posted by Midnight Oil View Post

                    Didn't say it would make or break the company. I said that location was probably already struggling to stay open.

                    But, yeah, an extra day of sales could actually save many businesses. Or keep them running a bit longer at the very least.
                    We'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

                    Originally Posted by Midnight Oil View Post

                    This, and the part you removed about no one caring about that little Pizza Hut except for its employees, was exactly my point.
                    ... and when I removed the part about no one really giving a crap about that one Pizza Hut, I added in the part about they'll be too busy trampling little children to get into stores to buy stuff the following day ... and that was my whole point. The lack of humanity in the over-commercialization of two of our biggest holidays. Thanksgiving was never a commercial holiday. It was a family holiday. Christmas was the big commercial holiday, to the point where Christmas makes me want to vomit. Nothing like taking stuff like family out of holidays to make more time to make a stinking buck. But that's just me.
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                    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
                      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                      Thanksgiving was never a commercial holiday. It was a family holiday. Christmas was the big commercial holiday, to the point where Christmas makes me want to vomit. Nothing like taking stuff like family out of holidays to make more time to make a stinking buck. But that's just me.
                      I read a tidbit today that said Black Friday was originally started as a "shop early for Christmas" day to help alleviate the stress of waiting until the last minute to shop.

                      Ironic - now it's THE most stressful shopping day of the year...lol.
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                      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                        Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

                        I read a tidbit today that said Black Friday was originally started as a "shop early for Christmas" day to help alleviate the stress of waiting until the last minute to shop.

                        Ironic - now it's THE most stressful shopping day of the year...lol.
                        Well, they do everything imaginable to make "black friday" as bad as possible! Save things until then, sell limited amounts, WIDELY advertise and hype up items they have few of at a low cost, run competitions, etc....

                        Steve
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                      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                        Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

                        I read a tidbit today that said Black Friday was originally started as a "shop early for Christmas" day to help alleviate the stress of waiting until the last minute to shop.

                        Ironic - now it's THE most stressful shopping day of the year...lol.
                        Call me old fashioned (even though I'm really not) but I'll take getting together with my family over this any day of the year. Pretty disgusting. This is not what my holidays are about.

                        A Consumer Reports poll this week found that 56 percent of Americans had no plans to shop at all this weekend. The most common reason — named by 70 percent of respondents — was a desire to avoid the crowds. In other words, Black Friday, with its mobs of crazed shoppers waiting to pile through the doors at 5 a.m., may be a victim of its own popularity.

                        Consumer Reports found that the significance of Black Friday "as the linchpin of the shopping season has diminished in recent years."

                        And an American Express survey found that for the first time, more shoppers plan to buy their gifts online this year, perhaps on so-called Cyber Monday, than on Black Friday. A Gallup poll this year found that 53 percent of Americans are very or somewhat likely to do their shopping online, the highest share since Gallup started asking the question in 1998.
                        News for this Black Friday and it's early yet:

                        http://www.cnbc.com/id/101235261

                        Some violence marred the Black Friday kickoff

                        * A Las Vegas shopper was shot late on Thanksgiving Day as he was attempting to take his newly bought television home, police told NBC News.
                        * In the Chicago area, a police officer shot the driver of a car that was dragging another officer who was responding to a call of alleged shoplifting. Three were arrested, police said.
                        * At least three people got into a brawl in the parking lot of a Wal-Mart in Rialto, Calif., because shoppers allegedly were cutting the line. Two were taken into custody, according to police.
                        * At another Wal-Mart in West Virginia, a man was slashed to the bone with a knife after threatening another man with a gun. The altercation was over a parking spot, police said.
                        * And in New Jersey, a shopper was charged with aggravated assault after getting into an argument over a television set with a Wal-Mart manager.

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          • Profile picture of the author Midnight Oil
            Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

            And many of those Internet and technology jobs are outsourced to people who could care less about Pilgrims or any other holiday we celebrate.
            Many may be. Many aren't. If the one or two people working at the cstore down the street are important enough to shape one's Thanksgiving Day decisions, aren't the one or two left behind at the homegrown hosting company or whatever just as important?

            There are many people working at other companies open in America today who aren't from here originally and don't share the same thoughts about American holidays. Whether we agree with it or not, the argument is pretty much "why should we force them to take a day off and lose pay for their families?"

            Just too many variables for the blanket "open bad, closed good" argument that some use.

            Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

            but apparently this Pizza Hut, with American employees, had always given the staff two holidays, Thanksgiving and Christmas. Now they took away 50% of their holiday benefits, and holidays are included in a benefits package. Did they offer to compensate those employees for a reduced benefit package or did they just say tough luck, you will now be working for fewer benefits.
            I may be wrong, it's been a while, but I'm pretty sure that holdays aren't considered a benefit unless specifically outlined as such by the company. Even then, benefit packages change all the time in business. Most company hiring manuals and paperwork carry a disclaimer that basically says things can change should the company so desire.

            I've personally been through the "Now Open Thanksgiving / Christmas" business shift more than a few times. Like I said earlier, not the greatest thing in the world, but certainly not worth throwing away your job over.

            Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

            I too worked in the restaurant business for many years, and I was one of the employees that always volunteered for working when others were trying to get away. The tips were always a lot bigger during the holidays, so when I was a server, there was a big financial incentive to work the holidays.
            While we may not agree on all points, we are so very similar on many other things.

            As the manager, I would frequently work from 4 am or so until well past closing just to allow wiggle room for others on the schedule. We would have between 80 and 100 employees, and even though the company said it was mandatory for all of them to be there TDay, my management team and I worked with people as best we could. Most of our people wanted to work, but there were some who didn't. We would work out one or two hour shifts for some of them and let others leave when they got there due to "overstaffing" and such.

            There were really so many more ways this Pizza Hut manager and the franchisee could have worked this out.
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            • Profile picture of the author seasoned
              Originally Posted by Midnight Oil View Post

              Many may be. Many aren't. If the one or two people working at the cstore down the street are important enough to shape one's Thanksgiving Day decisions, aren't the one or two left behind at the homegrown hosting company or whatever just as important?

              There are many people working at other companies open in America today who aren't from here originally and don't share the same thoughts about American holidays. Whether we agree with it or not, the argument is pretty much "why should we force them to take a day off and lose pay for their families?"

              Just too many variables for the blanket "open bad, closed good" argument that some use.
              It WOULD be nice if holidays that weren't that important to the COMPANY were floating such that, as long as it didn't hurt the company, people could use them at a given time.

              Stating simply that a given holiday is important or not doesn't cut it. SOME GO OUT for thanksgiving and things like restaurants and some stores may want to stay open. On the OTHER HAND, there is often latitude to allow some indians time off for diwali.

              I may be wrong, it's been a while, but I'm pretty sure that holdays aren't considered a benefit unless specifically outlined as such by the company. Even then, benefit packages change all the time in business. Most company hiring manuals and paperwork carry a disclaimer that basically says things can change should the company so desire.

              I've personally been through the "Now Open Thanksgiving / Christmas" business shift more than a few times. Like I said earlier, not the greatest thing in the world, but certainly not worth throwing away your job over.
              EXACTLY! I have been to companies that only had like christmas and newsyears off! And NONE were companies that would have missed us! I mean the WORST case I have been through is if a disaster or migration happens. Disasters ******OFTEN****** happen at BAD times. Migrations RARELY happen during traditional work hours! This means that people are ****ON CALL**** or ENTIRE DEPARTMENTS are asked to work on weekends, ESPECIALLY LONG weekends!

              WHY ESPECIALLY? SPECIFICALLY because a lot of business STOPS! Customers won't call if a system fails or is down for hours, etc.... If the migration takes too long, we have OPTIONS! SO, WHY force a person to work Thanksgiving if they might work the next weekend? BTW where I am working NOW, there is a 2 week SHUTDOWN of the ENTIRE COMPANY to a degree, starting just before christmas eve! A LOT of people WILL be working upgrading systems, etc.... though.

              While we may not agree on all points, we are so very similar on many other things.

              As the manager, I would frequently work from 4 am or so until well past closing just to allow wiggle room for others on the schedule. We would have between 80 and 100 employees, and even though the company said it was mandatory for all of them to be there TDay, my management team and I worked with people as best we could. Most of our people wanted to work, but there were some who didn't. We would work out one or two hour shifts for some of them and let others leave when they got there due to "overstaffing" and such.

              There were really so many more ways this Pizza Hut manager and the franchisee could have worked this out.
              Well, if they have ONE manager, that manager should have worked then. Part of that persons job, WEEKS AGO should have been negotiating holidays, as you imply YOU did.

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  • Profile picture of the author mmorgan3415
    I don't think I could ever work for Pizza Hut or any other mainstream franchise.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by mmorgan3415 View Post

      I don't think I could ever work for Pizza Hut or any other mainstream franchise.
      Trust me. When a Pizza Hut manager decides to quit, they leave babbling incoherently.
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    • Profile picture of the author socialentry
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      Originally Posted by mmorgan3415 View Post

      I don't think I could ever work for Pizza Hut or any other mainstream franchise.
      But what if they offered work as a mercenary or a gun for hire?
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  • Profile picture of the author MattN
    That's a pretty nasty thing to do, clearly the owner should have bought this up with the manager much earlier, at least he could have refused with plenty of notice. Besides I thought there were laws to prevent trading on significant holidays.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Let's look at it THIS way!

    People have DIED here because of a limited edition of SNEAKERS! HECK, they have died over a new RELEASE of NON LIMITED SNEAKERS!!!!!!!!!!

    Black friday takes that SAME concept(limited or new), has it over a WIDE range of items for a LIMITED time and advertises the heck out of it! So I guess it is EXPECTED that PEOPLE WILL DIE! Of course some just end end BRUISED, and MOST merely get trampled on!

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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Skinner
    I just read where they are offering him his job back, he has not accepted yet. I think the Pizza Hut big wigs stepped on it this time, their greed came back to haunt them. I can remember growing up, on Thanksgiving, almost nothing was open in the small town where I was raised. The Emergency room and one truck stop way out by the Interstate, that was it. You had better get all your errands run and stuff bought by 10 p.m. the day before or tough luck.

    That was back in the day when you knew your neighbors and families had at least one meal a day, together, at a table, and talked. We rarely ever locked our house or car doors. My how the world has changed.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I think the Pizza Hut big wigs stepped on it this time
      Should have read the entire story - it was a local franchise owner who decided to stay open and the "big wigs" who came to this guy's rescue when the story blew up....
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        Should have read the entire story - it was a local franchise owner who decided to stay open and the "big wigs" who came to this guy's rescue when the story blew up....
        One of the GOOD things about franchises is that, at least the better ones, DO have codes of conduct, and watch things like this. After all, pizza hut, in the end, has little of REAL value but its name and recognition of that as a brand. ANYBODY can make a pizza!

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  • Profile picture of the author AStricklen
    I worked at Pizza Hut for 8 years. During that time, I was forced to do things against OSHA standards, state law, etc, but I don't know how unique any of it was. Pizza Hut paid me minimum wage for 7 years and many people I worked with here happy to work on Thanksgiving and other holidays because they didn't have family and would rather work. I don't think this is extraordinary, but Pizza Hut is a company that always makes it clear that they do not care about you.
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