DNA from a 400,000 year old may point to a line of unknown humans.

10 years ago

The fossil, a thigh bone found in Spain, had previously seemed to many experts to belong to a forerunner of Neanderthals. But its DNA tells a very different story. It most closely resembles DNA from an enigmatic lineage of humans known as Denisovans.

Now that there's a whole branch of humanity named after me, maybe you folks can start giving me a little respect around here.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Now that there's a whole branch of humanity named after me, maybe you folks can start giving me a little respect around here.

Are you one of those folks who've been alive for countless thousands of years but take on different identities in order to have some approximation of normalcy in their lives? Was that movie Highlander about you?

"The mismatch between the anatomical and genetic evidence surprised the scientists, who are now rethinking human evolution over the past few hundred thousand years."

Wow. Usually the deepest kind of thing I rethink is what to have for breakfast.

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Dennis Gaskill

10 years ago

Originally Posted by thunderbird

Are you one of those folks who've been alive for countless thousands of years but take on different identities in order to have some approximation of normalcy in their lives? Was that movie Highlander about you?

Um . . . well, you see . . . uh, I mean, if I were to . . . hmm...

I hope I've made myself clear.

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Sumit Menon 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Now that there's a whole branch of humanity named after me, maybe you folks can start giving me a little respect around here.
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HeySal

10 years ago

Previous record of 100,000 years? Who the hell are they kidding. There's settlement ruins in SW Africa that date back 200,000 years - and there's beads dating back to 130,000 years. High tech civilizations are being studied that date 30,000 years.

Sounds to me like someone in the "authority" position is worried about all the REAL archaeological data that's been suppressed that's started leaking out and is afraid if he doesn't start keeping up he's gonna end up losing his rep - and position.

How you "authority" thugs at the Smithsonian doing, by the way? Busy diggin' around the basement for those skeletons you thought nobody would ever find out about? LMAO.

This article just made me happier than you'll ever know.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Previous record of 100,000 years? Who the hell are they kidding. There's settlement ruins in SW Africa that date back 200,000 years - and there's beads dating back to 130,000 years. High tech civilizations are being studied that date 30,000 years.

Sounds to me like someone in the "authority" position is worried about all the REAL archaeological data that's been suppressed that's started leaking out and is afraid if he doesn't start keeping up he's gonna end up losing his rep - and position.

How you "authority" thugs at the Smithsonian doing, by the way? Busy diggin' around the basement for those skeletons you thought nobody would ever find out about? LMAO.

This article just made me happier than you'll ever know.

Hmm, I thought they were specifically talking
about the record for DNA evidence?

What data is being suppressed?

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Originally Posted by MikeTucker

What data is being suppressed?

For the love of God, Mike....

Don't..... Ask..... That..... Question!

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  For the love of God, Mike....
  
  Don't..... Ask..... That..... Question!
  
  ..........
  
  But...but... Now I want to know! :confused:
  What other question should I ask instead?
  
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  But...but... Now I want to know! :confused:
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  No other question, I was just teasing Sal and you.
  
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HeySal

10 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeTucker

Hmm, I thought they were specifically talking
about the record for DNA evidence?

What data is being suppressed?

A lot. Okay - maybe it's just DNA evidence they are talking about. I took it to mean they are finally admitting that there were modern humans that long ago. We can definitely, via the nature of artifacts say that there were modern human settlements at least least twice that age, and human craftmanship going on at least and extra 30,000 years, but the Smithsonian and other institutions tried to keep that quiet. There were powerful interests that don't want people to know anything but the bought and sold timeline story. What's going on is there is new technology in the field now and they are finding things that are much older - and finding it so fast that the "authorities" can no longer keep information under wraps. A few of the Archaeological "authorities" will lose their seat over it, and a few their reputations. Generally, unnoticable stuff in the general eye of the public. Won't hurt anyone either way. Just our perception of history was gummed up by a bunch of Educated opinionated old geezes that were getting all the acclaim and grant money and it's about time for them to move over.

I'm happy info is coming to the public now. You wouldn't believe the Shyte the Smithsonian pulls. For instance - You remember those selenite crystals found in Mexico - the miners broke into a vug that contained the largest crystals known to exist -some around 50 feet long. Well, there was a problem with the photography so one guy finally came up with a solution and was allowed to photograph them. The Smithsonian was trying to strong-arm him into giving them the pictures...free of cost. They gave him such a literally hard time over it that he finally had me put the pictures on my website in my online newsletter.

There are all sorts of artifacts that Smithsonian demands (yes demands) being given to them free - and then they deny anything about them. Long stories so won't get into it. I"m just happy to see this stuff hitting more mainstream news. It's just about time for it.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

There were powerful interests that don't want people to know anything but the bought and sold timeline story. What's going on is there is new technology in the field now and they are finding things that are much older - and finding it so fast that the "authorities" can no longer keep information under wraps.

I don't understand, what was the original reasoning behind
the suppression and deceptions? Wouldn't they have gotten
the grant money no matter how they put together the timeline?
Why would they lie about it?

Originally Posted by HeySal

You wouldn't believe the Shyte the Smithsonian pulls. For instance - You remember those selenite crystals found in Mexico - the miners broke into a vug that contained the largest crystals known to exist -some around 50 feet long. Well, there was a problem with the photography so one guy finally came up with a solution and was allowed to photograph them. The Smithsonian was trying to strong-arm him into giving them the pictures...free of cost. They gave him such a literally hard time over it that he finally had me put the pictures on my website in my online newsletter.

There are all sorts of artifacts that Smithsonian demands (yes demands) being given to them free - and then they deny anything about them. Long stories so won't get into it. I"m just happy to see this stuff hitting more mainstream news. It's just about time for it.

Yes, I do remember that discovery! I was only 150 miles away at the time
and really, really wanted to go see but couldn't. You have those pics
up on RockHoundStation or another site?

I'm not surprised in the least by your accusations against the
Smithsonian, my mother was an archaeologist and did some work
in Mercedes, TX and in Peru, and she told me similar stories of
things that happened to her colleagues.

I do however find it difficult to believe that they have so much
power they could control the entire world's view of what the
evolutionary timeline looks like?

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HeySal

10 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeTucker

I don't understand, what was the original reasoning behind
the suppression and deceptions? Wouldn't they have gotten
the grant money no matter how they put together the timeline?
Why would they lie about it?

Yes, I do remember that discovery! I was only 150 miles away at the time
and really, really wanted to go see but couldn't. You have those pics
up on RockHoundStation or another site?

I'm not surprised in the least by your accusations against the
Smithsonian, my mother was an archaeologist and did some work
in Mercedes, TX and in Peru, and she told me similar stories of
things that happened to her colleagues.

I do however find it difficult to believe that they have so much
power they could control the entire world's view of what the
evolutionary timeline looks like?

The lie has a lot to do with religious influence. Knowing humans existed that long ago and the knowledge of technologically advanced civilizations over 30,000 years ago goes against the grain of some very powerful religious factions.

Also -- when a renowned archaeologist makes his career and gets a very powerful and lucrative position based on something that is later proven wrong it's a little....well...inconvenient for them.

And ........some of the technology that was used very long ago would actually be a very inexpensive answer to energy problems we have now - guess who loses money on that one?

Suppression of information - in any field - always has self interest of the power groups at the core.

Okay the power structure? They have ALL the power. Or HAD it anyway. You donate a find to a museum that they don't want people to know about.....it disappears as does all data relevant to the find. They can also dis anything they want to. I know a team that found gold artifacts in Wyoming. They took them into the local "experts" for evaluation. They had everything mapped, charted, the physical location and paperwork -- and were told point blank that those artifacts could not exist at that depth. Period. The fact they WERE there didn't budge them an inch. The "official" dogma disagreed with the find and they refused to even date the items. That was a couple decades ago. The artifacts, because nobody would handle them were eventually melted down for the gold - that goes on more often than you want to know.

Well now there's new technology that allows the teams to go around the "authorities" to date artifacts. Word is still hard to get out - but no longer do the explorers have to depend on authorities to accept what they are showing them for dating and examination.

On my webite - RHS1. It's a very old issue of the newsletter August 2005 or 6 -- let me go find it and I'll edit this post and throw the link to the pics. Those were world exclusive at the time, but there's a lot of pics around now.

Here's the link. These pics are awesome! I was one excited newsletter writer when I got these things!

http://www.rockhoundstation1.com/newsletter016.html

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MikeTucker

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill

I agree. I will be amused when the intricacy and beauty of those complex systems are explained away as products of randomicity.

Oh my, what alluring bait you have there.
Alas, another place, another time.

Originally Posted by HeySal

The lie has a lot to do with religious influence. Knowing humans existed that long ago and the knowledge of technologically advanced civilizations over 30,000 years ago goes against the grain of some very powerful religious factions.

Also -- when a renowned archaeologist makes his career and gets a very powerful and lucrative position based on something that is later proven wrong it's a little....well...inconvenient for them.

And ........some of the technology that was used very long ago would actually be a very inexpensive answer to energy problems we have now - guess who loses money on that one?

Suppression of information - in any field - always has self interest of the power groups at the core.

Sal, I do believe I find myself agreeing with you more and more...

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Raydal

10 years ago

WOW! Imagine life that came all about by accident has now evolved
to the point where it can now determine how it came about. I have a
long way to go. If my mother didn't tell me that she was my mother
I wouldn't have known.

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ConfusedJ 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Raydal

Imagine life that came all about by accident has now evolved to the point where it can now determine how it came about.

That the existence of life was an accident is a dogmatic religious (atheism) view, not a logical, evidential conclusion
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  The abiogenesis hypothesis regarding the origin of life has been tested nearly nonstop for the past century. It's been nothing short of a total failure. It's accepted as true on ideological grounds, not scientific evidence.
  
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thunderbird

10 years ago

“It’s extremely hard to make sense of,” Dr. Meyer said. “We still are a bit lost here.”

Good. I'm not the only one who is confused.

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Banned 10 years ago

They might have been a species called Homo erectus

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MikeTucker

10 years ago

Yeah, I deleted my post because I like this thread and I don't want
to see it nuked, but I'd be happy to hold this conversation with you
in a more appropriate venue.

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MikeTucker

10 years ago

Anyway, back to the article:

Meanwhile, using improved methods, Dr. Paabo, Dr. Meyer and their colleagues assembled a rough draft of the entire Neanderthal genome in 2010.

I have to wonder if this might be the longest-lasting piece of
information in the article. Dates and timelines always seem to
be changing, fossils are re-categorized-- We now know the
infamous T-Rex was probably a bird-like creature, complete
with feathers...

But the fact that we are mapping entire genomes, to me that
just seems like it is going to change almost everything we know
about everything... From the history of our planet to the future
of our medicine, even the way that we educate children and
deal with certain kinds of criminals.

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HeySal

10 years ago

LOL, Mike. If it helps - I do not believe that earthquakes or tornadoes are caused by government for purposes of eradicating humans or warfare.

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