Scientists discover undersea freshwater: 100 times more water than used in the last 100 years

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"The volume of this water resource is a hundred times greater than the amount we've extracted from the Earth's sub-surface in the past century since 1900,"
Scientists discover undersea freshwater

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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    I'm surprised at the surprise generated by this news. We've known for a LONG time there were fresh water springs under the ocean floor. Perhaps the amount of freshwater is more than previously thought?

    Some of them release fresh water to the surface and these are called "ocean springs. There are several in the Gulf of Mexico and one less than 20 miles off the coast where I live....coincidentally the town I live in is "Ocean Springs".

    I've heard of this fresh water before but if there are large sources I have to wonder about accessing that water. It would come to the surface easily as I think it's lighter than salt water....but how do you deplete large stores of water under the ocean floor without risking collapse of the ocean floor? That could be catastrophic for marine life and for coastlines.
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      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      I live....coincidentally the town I live in is "Ocean Springs".
      Ocean Springs, MS? I was just there last weekend! Ate at a little
      place called "Marsiano's Wine By the Glass" or something... Good times!
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      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      <snip>....but how do you deplete large stores of water under the ocean floor without risking collapse of the ocean floor? That could be catastrophic for marine life and for coastlines.
      That is the kind of question that immediately entered my mind. There is far more to ecology than humanity understands. What role does the fresh water beneath the ocean's floor play in sustaining the environment? My wild guess is a lot, even if we may not know what.
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    Good question, Kay. Look at the mess they made right down the road from you trying to get oil out from underneath. I think any solutions we look for to any of our problems right now are going to have inherent problems. We should be thinking of ways to reduce human populations (no - I don't mean kill people, so stop razzing me before you start) as fast as possible so these high risk tactics to support masses that the planet wasn't meant to hold would be a damned good idea. If it's going to snow hard this year - we would be better off harvesting a layer of snow (not enough to cause dry earth in the summer), everywhere the snow level goes over what is normally good for an area. Probably purer than we're going to get anywhere else. If we planted the trees under glaciers that no longer produce snow because the moisture from the forests is absent, we could harvest some from those. With the planet coming out of the inter-glacial era, we should get enough wet pretty soon that we don't need to tap those underground sources. We just have to clean up the poisons we've dumped all over in the water we have now and make it potable again. Over the next couple years the only places that should be left in drought are those where the forests have been destroyed.
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    I think the main question should be is, is it's easier and cheaper to use under-sea fresh water than it is to use desalination technology that we already have?
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    That's amazing discovery! Can we afford to use them?
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      That's it, Mike - I'm just east and south of Ocean Springs.
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    Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

    Who cares? Here's a cheap, simple solution to the problem:

    Solar Water Distilling with a Fresnel Lens | Peak Prosperity
    A fresnel lens is over-kill for this. Using very simple technology similar to the Water Cone would likey be more efficient:


    But the real question is, what to do with the salts that are removed from the water, no matter the method?
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      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

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      But the real question is, what to do with the salts that are removed from the water, no matter the method?
      Make sculptures out of it?

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      Dump it... back in the ocean.

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      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      But the real question is, what to do with the salts that are removed from the water, no matter the method?
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        Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

        Dump it... back in the ocean.

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        Yes, this is what they do now. However, it's more difficult that just "dumping" it, if you don't want to change the salinity of a relatively small area and kill everything within that area. They don't put it back at full strength and leave the salts in some of the water, mix it with more sea water, then gently disperse it back into the ocean, spreading it over a large area.

        However, in some places you may want to build channels to bring the water inland, then desalinate the water there. In this case, "dumping" the salt back in the sea isn't as convenient (or cheap).
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      500 times Niagara Falls... an hour.

      One trillion gallons of salty brine plunge down through the Weddell Sea every hour—a torrent equivalent to the volume of 500 Niagara Falls. The brine spreads out towards the edge of the Antarctic continental shelf and then falls into the chasm revealed by Jason. A vast submarine waterfall plummets downward. The cold, dense brine falls slowly, silently, into the abyss, two miles down to the ocean floor below. It will not resurface for hundreds of years.
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      Yea, dump it.


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      Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

      Well sure, we wouldn't want to use too much sun, would we?

      WTF was I thinking?
      Ummm...it's not the sun that's in question. It's the amount of material used to create a fresnel lens vs. a simple transparent cover, as well as shipping and transportation costs. Other factors are fresnel lenses will need to track the sun, as well as can produce enough heat to melt lead and other metals.

      IMO, a solar trough-type system combined with the Water Cone would be best.
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        Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

        Sometimes I am amazed. Certainly wouldn't want to own a Fresnel lens, which costs very little, with its myriad of other potential uses when you can own a simple transparent cover.

        No, instead I will worry about what I will do with the salt from the distillation process instead of putting it on my asparagus.
        Way to think small. If you want to make a personal desalination plant for yourself, then use a fresnel lens to your heart's content. And the little bit of salt won't matter, or the extra cost.

        But if you want to help an entire country such as Ehtiopia, you're going to need a better idea, including what to do with the salt.

        You'll need to adjust your fresnel about every 20-30 minutes, so be sure you have that all worked out. On the other hand, a solar trough system doesn't need to be adjusted to track the sun.

        Please tell us why you feel a fresnel lens is a better solution than either parabolic troughs or dishes? All the industrial sized solar collectors I've seen use parabolics instead of lenses. What is everyone else missing that you are keeping secret?

        But if it makes you feel happy and secure and are so afraid to learn something new, you go ahead and keep thinking your salt shaker is the center of the universe.

        PS. Have you ever considered that no one's using solar energy to distill water on a major basis and instead use reverse osmosis?
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          Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

          Well sure, we wouldn't want to use too much sun, would we?

          WTF was I thinking?
          Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

          Sometimes I am amazed. Certainly wouldn't want to own a Fresnel lens, which costs very little, with its myriad of other potential uses when you can own a simple transparent cover.

          No, instead I will worry about what I will do with the salt from the distillation process instead of putting it on my asparagus.
          BTW, for someone that claims to be logical, you are one of the most illogical people I see post in this forum.

          Instead of using "smart ass" as a form of "reasoning", how about you try some actual reasoning once in a while to support your point of view? How about just one or two REAL reasons why you feel fresnel lenses are better than parabolics or reverse osmosis for desalinating water, instead of attempts at insults (aka ad hominem fallacies)?

          To answer your question about what you were thinking? You weren't.
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    Nah, instead encourage people to go back to a salt-based economy,
    like the Romans!

    If for no other reason than to watch the IM sales pages, and the
    bitcoin folks talking about "mining salt".
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  • Profile picture of the author DarioMontesdeOca
    Just as the world is fighting over less than one percent of known fresh water, the universe says.. "Hey, I got this!"

    Seriously, there's always going to be an abundance of supplies if we look hard enough. I highly recommend everyone read or watch Peter Diamandis, the future truly is better than we think.

    Once we as humans are aware and capable of outer space travel, we can travel to other planets and outer space to extract the abundance of resources out there.

    Check out this article about the gigantic body of water floating in space:
    Huge Reservoir of Water Discovered in Space 30 Billion Trillion Miles Away

    Just like Agent Smith in The Matrix said: "You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area..."

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