Massive amounts of melt water under the Greenland Ice

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Giant Snow Cone Slush Puppy under Greenland!

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BBC News - 'Massive' reservoir of melt water found under Greenland ice

Dont be fooled by those who say, all is well, the snow and ice came back this year!

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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    GEE!!!!! When ever I have exposed ice to heat, it melts only on the side that is above 32F(0C). So this would indicate NOT that the WEATHER is getting warmer, but that the LAND is! HEY, anyone remember THIS little event?

    2010 eruptions of Eyjafjallajökull - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    BTW this is a MULTIPLE hit! It makes the LAND hotter, throws out LOTS of gasses and particulates to make the SURFACE hotter, etc....

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    UM..........HELLO..........does anyone realize that Iceland is one of the worlds most active volcanic hot spots? If things are going to slush there - the correct thing to watch for a possible impending eruption. Jeez o petes.:rolleyes:

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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Come on, now, I know you can do better than that. Volcanoes don't produce anywhere near the amount of energy required to account for the observed massive melting of Greenland's ice sheets, which has been accelerating over the last twenty+ years. You need to put more imagination into your explanation. :rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Yes, I'm sure a freaking online "shoe" salesman knows much more about geographical science than the Universities do.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        Come on, now, I know you can do better than that. Volcanoes don't produce anywhere near the amount of energy required to account for the observed massive melting of Greenland's ice sheets, which has been accelerating over the last twenty+ years. You need to put more imagination into your explanation. :rolleyes:
        The sun *****ITSELF***** doesn't! By the time the ground level ice melts, the upper level ice would have! THAT is why they bury water pipes and why they don't freeze everywhere! It rarely gets cold enough to get cold enough at that level. It is ALSO why we have frostbite, freezerburn, broken glass when temperatures change abruptly, etc.... It's ALSO why no temperature changing mechanism seems to work well without moving air. If you see snow or ice sometime, check it out!

        Remember, temperatures aren't magic. They go FROM the point of contact!

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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          I just like the idea of a snow cone or a slushy from mommy nature:p

          There are places where ice will be 3-4 feet thick over a lake in the winter - doesn't mean there's no water in the lake under the ice. The ice layer exists even thought it doesn't extend all the way to the lake bed.
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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            I just like the idea of a snow cone or a slushy from mommy nature:p

            There are places where ice will be 3-4 feet thick over a lake in the winter - doesn't mean there's no water in the lake under the ice. The ice layer exists even thought it doesn't extend all the way to the lake bed.
            Yeah, imagine how fish and aquatic mammals would fare if temperature DIDN'T change FROM the point of contact! Polar bears would likely be DEAD! Many penguins and seals would be dead. Whales and dolphins would be GREATLY limited. And you think famine is bad NOW? HUH!

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        • Profile picture of the author myob
          Okay, so besides Icelandic volcanoes we're up to including earthquakes and ocean currents now. But isn't there something else happening here you learned in your geophysics class that's been forgotten about?
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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by myob View Post

            Okay, so besides Icelandic volcanoes we're up to including earthquakes and ocean currents now. But isn't there something else happening here you learned in your geophysics class that's been forgotten about?
            Well, I AM talking about the lower grades. And it DID talk about the poles, shifts, etc...

            The point is that:

            1. Lower levels having water is NOT unusual, and is NOT caused by atmospherically generated heat! Ice just isn't created or destroyed in such a way. Try filling two transparent cups with water, and put them in the freezer. FIRST the top will likely freeze over, then the sides, and then the bottom. Try then take one out and look closely! There is LIQUID INSIDE! Crack it, and water comes out of the now empty cavity! OK, let the other freeze! Take it out as a chunk of ice. The outside melts first!
            2. Iceland has a HISTORY of things that can explain the water. In 2010 it made WORLD WIDE news so you would practically have to be in a vacuum to not have heard it.

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        • Profile picture of the author HeySal
          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

          The sun *****ITSELF***** doesn't! By the time the ground level ice melts, the upper level ice would have! THAT is why they bury water pipes and why they don't freeze everywhere! It rarely gets cold enough to get cold enough at that level. It is ALSO why we have frostbite, freezerburn, broken glass when temperatures change abruptly, etc.... It's ALSO why no temperature changing mechanism seems to work well without moving air. If you see snow or ice sometime, check it out!

          Remember, temperatures aren't magic. They go FROM the point of contact!

          Steve
          To be technical - it's called the permafrost line - things don't freeze under the permafrost lines. Where I am that's between one and two feet. I imagine it extends a little further up there, but they are there, nonetheless. - I guess I need to repeat that the climate there has always been a little warm for that latitude up there because of the very things I wrote in my last post -- water currents, etc. Seems some people in here don't "Get" how it works. Add some massive mantle plumes and underground water is being heated continually and keeps the ground fairly warm. There's ALWAYS been water under the ice in Iceland. Some GW yahoo has decided to knock off most of the facts and just report the water. They do that kind of crap when they get desperate to advance their theory, LMAO. They really, really, really want that tax money!

          Kay - The lithosphere under Iceland is only around 70km thick and the mantle is is extremely elastic - which means HEAT. Put on top of that the the ridge that runs through the middle of it is hot. They have some hella hot springs in Iceland. The water they are finding might even be from a hot springs. After earthquakes they sometimes change locations - and old springs will dry up and a new one will form in another area. That's the ground play you get with seismic activity near rifts, ridges, faults, subduction zones, etc. One of our favorite hot springs in ID dried up after that 1989 quake out there. The new one wasn't as kewl.

          There are a LOT of people being fooled about warming because they have no clue how geology plays in local climates. There's reports of a few glaciers melting that aren't - they are the same temp that they were, but the forests underneath have been clear cut and now there's no moisture to produce more snow. Greenland was sometimes photoed ffrom the west - where the wind blows the snow right off that side of the mountains. If the other side had been photoed, people would have seen masses of snow.

          Even as weak as sun cycle 24 is right now, there's enough geologically thermal anomalies up in that region that it would scary as hell if they didn't have water under their snow. That might mean that hell is actually freezing over and that would not be a good thing.

          When scientists REALLY get worried about warming, you will see land being reforested no matter what corporations want to continue to strip the forests. What else do they forget to mention? People also need CO2 for proper respiration. We have 7 billion people on earth -- there had better be high CO2 levels or we're just as screwed as plants are without it.
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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

            To be technical - it's called the permafrost line - things don't freeze under the permafrost lines. Where I am that's between one and two feet. I imagine it extends a little further up there, but they are there, nonetheless. - I guess I need to repeat that the climate there has always been a little warm for that latitude up there because of the very things I wrote in my last post -- water currents, etc. Seems some people in here don't "Get" how it works. Add some massive mantle plumes and underground water is being heated continually and keeps the ground fairly warm. There's ALWAYS been water under the ice in Iceland. Some GW yahoo has decided to knock off most of the facts and just report the water. They do that kind of crap when they get desperate to advance their theory, LMAO. They really, really, really want that tax money!
            YEP, THEY DO! That is ALL cap and trade will do, ESPECIALLY since the worst offender WILL NOT COMPLY!!!!!

            Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

            When scientists REALLY get worried about warming, you will see land being reforested no matter what corporations want to continue to strip the forests. What else do they forget to mention? People also need CO2 for proper respiration. We have 7 billion people on earth -- there had better be high CO2 levels or we're just as screwed as plants are without it.
            Yeah, people forget about things like how to cure hyperventalation! Respiratory Alkalosis: Symptoms, Treatments & prevention

            When you breath, oxygen (which is needed by the body to function properly) is inhaled into the lungs and carbon dioxide (a waste product) is exhaled. Normally, these two gases are kept in balance by the respiratory system.
            Respiratory alkalosis occurs when carbon dioxide levels drop too low. This causes the pH of the blood to rise and become too alkaline.
            YEAH, to hear some talk, you would think that boosting oxygen to 100% would help us. ACTUALLY, we would SUFFOCATE and likely go blind. A lot of babies have become blind by being in too much oxygen. There would also be other effects as well. HECK, a spark could be FAR more dangerous.

            Oxygen toxicity
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            Oxygen toxicity
            Classification and external resources
            Three men inside a pressure chamber. One is breathing from a mask and the other two are timing and taking notes.
            In 1942–43 the UK Government carried out extensive testing for oxygen toxicity in divers. The chamber is pressurised with air to 3.7 bar. The subject in the centre is breathing 100% oxygen from a mask.[1]
            ICD-10 T59.8
            ICD-9 987.8
            MeSH D018496
            Oxygen toxicity is a condition resulting from the harmful effects of breathing molecular oxygen (O
            2) at elevated partial pressures. It is also known as oxygen toxicity syndrome, oxygen intoxication, and oxygen poisoning. Historically, the central nervous system condition was called the Paul Bert effect, and the pulmonary condition the Lorrain Smith effect, after the researchers who pioneered its discovery and description in the late 19th century. Severe cases can result in cell damage and death, with effects most often seen in the central nervous system, lungs and eyes. Oxygen toxicity is a concern for underwater divers, those on high concentrations of supplemental oxygen (particularly premature babies), and those undergoing hyperbaric oxygen therapy.
            Maybe we should simply help mother nature out by letting her have the resources, and not taxing her, and let HER sort it out, rather than trying to force things.

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            • Profile picture of the author Kay King
              Someone thinks they've found a catchy headline and shocking story - and what they've done is fail to understand the forces above a surface are not the same as the forces that affect space below the surface.

              I've never lived were there was permafrost but it fascinated me as a kid after I read a sci-fi book where the permafrost thawed. Funny the stuff you remember....

              Wonder what headline they'd come up with for a 56 degree cave on a 95 degree day....
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              • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                Wonder what headline they'd come up with for a 56 degree cave on a 95 degree day....
                GREAT QUESTION!

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                • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                  Ok I admit it was all a fake and Greenland is owned by Slush Puppy and its just their manufacturing plant!
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                  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
                    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                    Ok I admit it was all a fake and Greenland is owned by Slush Puppy and its just their manufacturing plant!
                    Well, they picked an excellent place for it. They should get the cotton candy machine to go with it.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                      still legal to pick up Indian Relics at all it's only legal above the permafrost line. Anything below will land you in jail if you dig it up and take it and the authorities catch you at it.
                      That's interesting....you can dig up old stuff....but not REALLY old stuff? Or maybe you learn to fill in the deep holes so it looks like it never happened?
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                      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
                        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                        That's interesting....you can dig up old stuff....but not REALLY old stuff? Or maybe you learn to fill in the deep holes so it looks like it never happened?
                        Basically what the permafrost law is about is the fact that anything under the permafrost is not only old - it's usually in situ......so it has Achaeological context. Stuff above the permafrost line is often "lost" in its original setting - brought up to the top by weather or dropped by people, water, etc., so no depth dating or cultural orientation of the artifact is possible,
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              • Profile picture of the author HeySal
                Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                Someone thinks they've found a catchy headline and shocking story - and what they've done is fail to understand the forces above a surface are not the same as the forces that affect space below the surface.

                I've never lived were there was permafrost but it fascinated me as a kid after I read a sci-fi book where the permafrost thawed. Funny the stuff you remember....

                Wonder what headline they'd come up with for a 56 degree cave on a 95 degree day....
                Um...I think they already did. Wasn't it called Time Machine? :rolleyes:

                There's nothing really special about permafrost lines except up here in spots where it's still legal to pick up Indian Relics at all it's only legal above the permafrost line. Anything below will land you in jail if you dig it up and take it and the authorities catch you at it.
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      • Profile picture of the author garyv
        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        Come on, now, I know you can do better than that. Volcanoes don't produce anywhere near the amount of energy required to account for the observed massive melting of Greenland's ice sheets, which has been accelerating over the last twenty+ years. You need to put more imagination into your explanation. :rolleyes:
        Um - how do you think many aquifers are formed and filled?

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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      UM..........HELLO..........does anyone realize that Iceland is one of the worlds most active volcanic hot spots? If things are going to slush there - the correct thing to watch for a possible impending eruption. Jeez o petes.:rolleyes:



      Your gong to ruin global warming for people that don't have TVs, or fly on airplanes.

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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    'Massive' reservoir of melt water found under Greenland ice
    LMAO, where exactly do they think fresh water comes from?
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    OUUU - and I was just getting started.

    There've been around 5 quakes of mags between 4.6 and 4.8 on the Mid Atlantic Ridge in the last week.

    These are the currently active volcanoes on Iceland:



    Hekla errupted in 2000, Grimsvotn in 2011, Eyjafjallajokull in 2010, and 13 others have exploded since 1900.

    Volcanism in this area is not the deep undersea volcanism of the Northern Arctic seas - the Island has a RIFT (the Mid-Atlantic Ridge....HELLO?) running right through the middle of it. There are 44 some odd volcanoes on Iceland - and only a few are listed as domant. IF there's heat up there - it's because the mantle plumes are close to the surface. Enough quakes close enough to an active plume vent and we might see fireworks.

    Oh yeah -- and the North Atlantic current and the Irminger current keep the climate pretty moderate for that far north. It's kinda funny they should have named Greenland Iceland, and named Iceland Greenland.

    Good grief - STOP getting your science from the media. It's not workin' for ya.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    HEY, THIS video describes a lot of what my generation was taught, about this, and covers the ideas of "GC"/"GW", and volcanoes, etc....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKP9ru_G5vk

    The info relating to THIS happens around 10, as I recall.

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