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Hey - some states are doing it right (poverty, con't)

by HeySal
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Looks like Utah has figured out the cost of homelessness and is taking care of the issue the least expensive way -- and the one that shows the most humanitarian effort - as well as the one that goes furthest in helping the homeless get back into the economic flow.

Utah Is on Track to End Homelessness by 2015 With This One Simple Idea | NationSwell

Good to see politicians at local and state levels have had it with the Federal "bleed em into poverty" mentality, too.
  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Yeah - I could do a trailer and a couple acres myself. I'd be willing to pay for that, actually.

    One thing people don't realize is that it's almost impossible in the present socio-economic reality to get back up after you fall. Laws are just too penalizing of the poor and homeless. People are too prejudiced against the poor, too. Having an actual address is a necessity to get ANYTHING done, so by giving them an address, people are given a second chance to get the jobs they need to stay off the streets. This sure beats arresting people and putting them in jail at just the time in their lives that they need help the most. After all - this isn't England circa 1500. We came over here to get away from that kind of crap, if my history serves me correctly.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    It looks like a no brainier for all homeless people to move to Utah. Do they have something in place to handle that type of situation? I mean it's kind of hard to prove a homeless person hasn't already been living in the state for years.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      It looks like a no brainier for all homeless people to move to Utah. Do they have something in place to handle that type of situation? I mean it's kind of hard to prove a homeless person hasn't already been living in the state for years.
      Yeah - I thought of that one, too. Some homeless do have records with some social services.....like foodbanks, etc. so there would be some proof. Otherwise it might just be a case of first come, first serve. With some major cities just arresting people for being impovershed, I'm sure the homeless will run anywhere it's safe to live.

      On a lighter note -- the article says at least one other place is looking to follow suit (if I remember right, it was Wyoming?), so there are probably others that will catch on and follow suit. There are tens of millions on the street now, so it's going to take one hella effort by as many towns and cities as possible to get things back under control. After housing people - it will take some more concerted efforts to get the jobs market back so people who want to work can actually have jobs.

      On the side of morality - we sat back and enjoyed life like fatted calves without watching what our reps were doing........or doing much about it when we knew they were acting like self-serving little scum when we should have been demanding they uphold their oaths, stop spending our taxes on their own wealth, stop giving themselves raises, stop writing insider benefits for themselves, stopped corporate lobbying....and the list goes on.

      What has happened to our government is 100% the fault of the American people and nobody complained.........until it went so far that it made life rough for us. Now instead of chewing on the poor for being poor.......we need to get our asses in gear and clean up our mess.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        Yeah - I thought of that one, too. Some homeless do have records with some social services.....like foodbanks, etc. so there would be some proof. Otherwise it might just be a case of first come, first serve. With some major cities just arresting people for being impovershed, I'm sure the homeless will run anywhere it's safe to live.
        Well, if you are homeless, food banks become somewhat worthless. Take the turkey dinners I delivered. Maybe you could have bread, dehydrated rice, and cold canned beans/corn, and otherwise the turkey. I don't think they would give it to te homeless though. They delivered to homes/apartments.

        You wouldn't have an address, phone, home, or much paperwork.

        On the side of morality - we sat back and enjoyed life like fatted calves without watching what our reps were doing........or doing much about it when we knew they were acting like self-serving little scum when we should have been demanding they uphold their oaths, stop spending our taxes on their own wealth, stop giving themselves raises, stop writing insider benefits for themselves, stopped corporate lobbying....and the list goes on.
        I HAVE mentioned many times to many people about how the law demands that they take oaths. Almost NOBODY has taken an oath for DECADES!!!!!!!!! An oath isn't a celebration, placing your hand on any object, words, etc.... An oath is a vocalization of a
        strong PLEDGE to do what you state. The oath is proven not by the words, but by the action!

        If only they REALLY took that oath! Everything ELSE would fall into place! Of course, I AM against the other things you mentioned ALSO! And the oath FORBIDS them doing that!

        HERE is what wikipedia says:

        Traditionally an oath (from Anglo-Saxon āð, also called plight) is either a statement of fact or a promise with wording relating to something considered sacred as a sign of verity. Legal substitute for those who conscientiously object to making a sacred oath is to give an affirmation instead. Nowadays, even when there's no notion of sanctity involved, certain promises said out loud in ceremonial or juridical purpose are referred to as oaths. To swear is a verb used to describe the taking of an oath, to making a solemn vow.
        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        What has happened to our government is 100% the fault of the American people and nobody complained.........until it went so far that it made life rough for us. Now instead of chewing on the poor for being poor.......we need to get our asses in gear and clean up our mess.
        People complained! They ALWAYS have! It is just that others just laughed, there is a disinformation and smear campaign, and the average citizen has little power.

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    There are many things the states & cities can do a lot better than the feds.


    Phoenix Becomes First City To End Chronic Homelessness Among Veterans

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    Steve - if people would stand together instead of allowing the political game of conquer and divide to take them - we have insurmountable power. The idea we don't is one that corrupt leaders hope we hold on to. What could even 1 or 2 million people in front of our White house do? About any damned thing they wanted to.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Steve - if people would stand together instead of allowing the political game of conquer and divide to take them - we have insurmountable power. The idea we don't is one that corrupt leaders hope we hold on to. What could even 1 or 2 million people in front of our White house do? About any damned thing they wanted to.
      The problem is getting the word to people that care, believe, will sacrifice, and can travel. But YEAH, SOMETHING needs to change. Eventually, it will get bad enough that EVERYONE will revolt. It has happened in the US as a country SEVERAL TIMES! It has happened in states, counties, and cities. THIS time, many are saying they WILL, in their own way fight the escalation. And those people go all the way from the city level to the state level, and all branches of the military.

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    Homeless Couple Gets A Home On Christmas Eve, Thanks To Innovative 'Occupy' Group | ThinkProgress
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    One County Spent Over $5 Million Jailing Homeless People Instead Of Giving Them Homes | ThinkProgress
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      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Yeah - I could do a trailer and a couple acres myself. I'd be willing to pay for that, actually.

      One thing people don't realize is that it's almost impossible in the present socio-economic reality to get back up after you fall. Laws are just too penalizing of the poor and homeless. People are too prejudiced against the poor, too. Having an actual address is a necessity to get ANYTHING done, so by giving them an address, people are given a second chance to get the jobs they need to stay off the streets. This sure beats arresting people and putting them in jail at just the time in their lives that they need help the most. After all - this isn't England circa 1500. We came over here to get away from that kind of crap, if my history serves me correctly.
      Yep, we stole some bread, to get away from this sort of thing, and have a fair social security setup.

      I know that Americans when they figure things out can make more money than Aussies, but especially with harsher winters, and harsher social security setups, tend to suffer more initially!


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