Warriors With Tons of Posts But Make No $$ ??

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I have been following the posts of a fellow warrior for a while now, not because they were insightful or anything, but because I noticed a peculiar pattern in their posts. This is someone with 4000+ posts, meaning they have a lot of time on their hands, yet I realized from their own admittance that they still don't have a relatively stable form of income online.

This was perhaps the most obvious and telling example for me to realize that a high number of posts (1000+) for a single warrior says NOTHING about their income or true experience online.

It shouldn't have, but this really shook me. Taking into account their WF registration date they have been online for 7+ years. That is a HUGE amount of time for absolutely nothing to have worked for them, assuming a minimum of 7 years to play around with online $$ ideas.

Please note that I am not flaming anyone, or trying to make them look bad. But I do want to know "why" this happens. Post count doesn't correlate whatsoever with income, yea i get that. But if they have little to nothing to show for their efforts online for 7+ years...I don't know what to say.

I know life can be a hurdle, but you get around that right? You persevere if you really want it right?

I'm just not understanding how that much time online can yield almost no form of online income. This was more of a rant than anything else, so apologies if my post is misplaced. Please note that my question is about WHY this happens to people on the WF and elsewhere. Is this just shiny object syndrome or procrastination or what?? I just really want to know :confused:
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeffery Moss
    Frustration with the online money making process is very understandable. And, sometimes an online marketer will have a sure thing and then have the rug jerked out from under them with the next Google algorithm update. And, that's happened to a lot of really good bloggers and marketers who relied too heavily on Google for traffic. Who can really say why some people are still struggling after years of frustration and effort. Maybe for those people, it's the struggle or fight that adds interest to the other parts of their life, so they continue.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeff Schuman
      For some forum marketing is like Facebook. It is a place to hang out and have fun. I saw the same thing over the years when my parents were in Amway.

      I see the same thing at church. People go every week, but are not particularly religious the other 6 days of the week.

      None of this matters to me. What they are earning or how they feel spiritually is up to them.
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      • Profile picture of the author heavysm
        Originally Posted by Jeff Schuman View Post

        For some forum marketing is like Facebook. It is a place to hang out and have fun. I saw the same thing over the years when my parents were in Amway.

        I see the same thing at church. People go every week, but are not particularly religious the other 6 days of the week.

        None of this matters to me. What they are earning or how they feel spiritually is up to them.
        I'm also curious if some have gotten addicted to "not having made it yet". The thrill of buying something new and tossing it aside for something else, it can be a sort of high.

        Your point is very strong about the church analogy. I guess it's just hard for me to swallow so much time spent here for almost no result, even if it's just a hobby.

        The poster I mentioned has a slight cynicism in their posts about making $$, which led me to believe they were making very little, but by their own admittance they were making zero and still looking.

        What's even crazier to me is all the people i see making $$ in the WSO section and elsewhere with little to no posts. I mean these people with so many posts could even sell their signature out as advertising space. It won't be much but at least it's something.

        I suppose it's all the difference in mindset, intention etc that make all the difference. Since this is an IM forum where many of us have businesses these small instances make my stomach drop sometimes. I'm always looking for more effective ways to do things, you know that HIME mentality (high impact minimal effort) so seeing the opposite does startle me at times lol
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  • Profile picture of the author RogueOne
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    A lot of them are like Deadheads following along behind the band with their little guitar in hand. In their minds they are part of the show.
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  • Profile picture of the author RogueOne
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    It is a place to hang out and have fun
    That's interesting. When I first joined WF it was because I wanted to be around other Internet Marketers. I had no intention of trying to make money from it, but it just presents so many opportunities to do so.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeff Schuman
      Originally Posted by RogueOne View Post

      That's interesting. When I first joined WF it was because I wanted to be around other Internet Marketers. I had no intention of trying to make money from it, but it just presents so many opportunities to do so.
      I came to the Warrior Forum, and a couple of others, almost everyday for a year before I even started participating in the discussions. My main goal was learning how people like Stone Evans, Willie Crawford, John Reese, and others were making money online.

      I guess there are a number of reasons to come to a forum besides just posting.
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  • Profile picture of the author tristatemedia
    for me...the payback for helping and having high ost count is getting free wso for honest review....lol
    i always give honest review......but i do get them for free...
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  • Profile picture of the author Publisher1953
    Hmm, there can be other reasons for posting beyond direct income. For example, I'm a moderator (Top Contributor) on the Google AdSense help forums, and I earn below the $100 monthly minimum for payout. Why do it? Well, I have an offline business which is reasonably successful and direct sold ads certainly more than offset the possible forgone AdSense revenue. I also hang out because I like to help out others, especially publishers who have experienced the dreaded "account disabled" ordeal.

    Is this stuff a totally rational use of my time? On one level, no. But I generally use "soft time" to render assistance. And there have been unexpected (and valuable) benefits including the initially surprising all-expenses paid invitations to California summits. And that stuff gives me credibility with offline clients. Still, with all this knowledge, should I "know" the program better to make a decent amount of money from it? Sure -- but I can see why frequency and in some cases the value of postings here don't necessarily need to correlate with direct Internet marketing income.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lurk
    As a fellow loser I can tell you unequivacally the answer could do with the answers one gets in the threads themselves. I thought about this last night. When someone says, "I have x amount of money how do I start a BUSINESS online". The answer is usually is "keep the money in your pocket and learn a skill". Sorry to say some people skill is working on a business and not in it. The problem is asking the wrong people questions. If you want to learn how to employ yourself then maybe the answers are here, but, if you want to learn how to run an online business without being the one doing the skill then you might be on your own.

    Most people are either #1 totally doing all the work or #2 doing it in hybrid forms, which leaves someone who wants to be an OWNER out of luck.

    Even most gurus are involved in their own writing etc on some levels.

    Now I am not sure said persons background, and, problems, but, sometimes there are things people arent being transparent about in their lives.

    Who knows what said posters issues are.

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    • Profile picture of the author heavysm
      Originally Posted by Lurk View Post

      As a fellow loser I can tell you unequivacally the answer could do with the answers one gets in the threads themselves. I thought about this last night. When someone says, "I have x amount of money how do I start a BUSINESS online". The answer is usually is "keep the money in your pocket and learn a skill". Sorry to say some people skill is working on a business and not in it. The problem is asking the wrong people questions. If you want to learn how to employ yourself then maybe the answers are here, but, if you want to learn how to run an online business without being the one doing the skill then you might be on your own.

      Most people are either #1 totally doing all the work or #2 doing it in hybrid forms, which leaves someone who wants to be an OWNER out of luck.

      Even most gurus are involved in their own writing etc on some levels.

      Now I am not sure said persons background, and, problems, but, sometimes there are things people arent being transparent about in their lives.

      Who knows what said posters issues are.

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      Nah dude I don't mean you at all. You have only been online for a short duration compared to those I'm referring to, but I get what you mean. I'm talking about those with tons of posts and almost nothing to show for their time online.
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      • Profile picture of the author Lurk
        Originally Posted by heavysm View Post

        Nah dude I don't mean you at all. You have only been online for a short duration compared to those I'm referring to, but I get what you mean. I'm talking about those with tons of posts and almost nothing to show for their time online.
        yeah I know but I felt chatty so I decided to sprinkle me in the mix along with those other decades old zero earning fellows but really -->
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  • Profile picture of the author Bkelly301
    In addition to what the others said reading about "making money online" is actually a very addicting and time-consuming thing to do.

    I came to this realization, and I therefore constantly need to check myself when I'm supposed to be "working". Reading about making money online is not working is usually what many people do (myself included) as a leisure activity.

    And that's exactly why someone can have 4000 posts, but they still haven't actually done any actual "work" (aka. Taking action).
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Benjamin
    Don't believe what you see...

    ...and don't believe what you hear.

    Some like the idea of authority and
    being a know-it-all. Seriously. They
    get a kick out of it.

    They'll tell you it's because THEY
    want to help other people...

    ...yet struggle to help themselves.

    If someone is having trouble feeding
    their family...

    ...do I REALLY want that person
    giving me advice on how to feed my
    own?

    And if a 'wannabe entrepreneur' is
    struggling to earn a buck...

    ...what POSSIBLE advice could he or
    she give me to help me reach MY
    financial goals?

    None.

    I would tell you to ignore those people
    'when it comes to making money',
    especially if they admit it, but for every
    one who admits it...

    ...there are hundreds more who pretend.

    And that's your dilemma.

    Solution?

    Do what I did.

    Ignore the forum. Limit YOUR postings
    unless necessary. Don't engage them in
    conversation. It's a waste of your time.

    And if you ARE going to be here, focus
    on connecting with those who ARE the
    real deal. There's enough of them here,
    but are like needles in a haystack.

    Once you find that one, stick to THEIR
    system and leave the forum alone.

    Focus on doing what THEY are doing &
    ignore opposite opinions.

    Fact is if you're making money you won't
    have time to have thousands of post
    unless you're a forum moderator.

    Anyway, I thought this was an interesting
    topic. Work to do.

    Take care.
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  • Profile picture of the author Horacioplus
    Many warrior only come to this forum to complain about something. They usually say something like this! Dont do this, my friend did this and he didnt make it.
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    • Profile picture of the author heavysm
      Originally Posted by Horacioplus View Post

      Many warrior only come to this forum to complain about something. They usually say something like this! Dont do this, my friend did this and he didnt make it.
      YES! I've noticed that as well. The complaints, that is. That's why I love the posts where people have something useful and just want to share it without an opt-in or anything. It's a breath of fresh air against all the complaint threads.

      I will admit some of the complaint threads do have posts of genuine content; something useful not easily or openly known.
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    • Profile picture of the author heavysm
      Originally Posted by Slate Marketing View Post

      P.S. There are always exceptions though, I'm sure some successful people post a ton but if so, they are the exception, not the rule.
      Oh, of course. In fact I'd hope that most with a ton of posts make a decent amount online to parallel the fact that they spend so much time online.

      In fact I really do hope the majority of serial posters make a decent income, otherwise we're just dealing with a bunch of business/marketing theorists here.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adie
    The number of posts has nothing to do with the amount one is earning online. Some warriors are still trying to establish their IM identity after years of failures and this is understandable. It took me more than 5 years to finally crack the code and I believe the same thing applies to other warriors here.
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    • Profile picture of the author heavysm
      Originally Posted by Adie View Post

      The number of posts has nothing to do with the amount one is earning online. Some warriors are still trying to establish their IM identity after years of failures and this is understandable. It took me more than 5 years to finally crack the code and I believe the same thing applies to other warriors here.
      Interesting Adie. But you made some form of income here and there, right? It wasn't 5 years of absolutely nothing before you created your income, was it?

      In my own testing when I first started out I would get inconsistent income, but it was still something as i tried different things. Perhaps others didn't make anything then suddenly an epiphany and their income started. I don't know. But I am curious how these situations come about No harm done, just curious
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      • Profile picture of the author Adie
        Originally Posted by heavysm View Post

        Interesting Adie. But you made some form of income here and there, right? It wasn't 5 years of absolutely nothing before you created your income, was it?

        In my own testing when I first started out I would get inconsistent income, but it was still something as i tried different things. Perhaps others didn't make anything then suddenly an epiphany and their income started. I don't know. But I am curious how these situations come about No harm done, just curious
        Yes, I made income from here and there but that was not a satisfying income. I started last 2003 and finally settled since 2010. That is 7 years trowing away domains, buying products here and there, wasting time in other websites, and everything. The worst thing that happened within that 7 years was always the "new shining object" that is always so tempting.. and I managed to beat and stay away from this thing until now...
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        • Profile picture of the author heavysm
          Originally Posted by Adie View Post

          Yes, I made income from here and there but that was not a satisfying income. I started last 2003 and finally settled since 2010. That is 7 years trowing away domains, buying products here and there, wasting time in other websites, and everything. The worst thing that happened within that 7 years was always the "new shining object" that is always so tempting.. and I managed to beat and stay away from this thing until now...
          Excellent! That's what i like to hear
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  • Profile picture of the author datingworld
    The number of forum posts and number of Thanks received has nothing to do with someone's success or failure.
    There is a lady on this forum with only about 50 posts [she is a member since 2004] and her net income is £1.5 million per year from her online ventures..... [I have a privilege to know her personally as she is my next door neighbor in London ]
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    • Profile picture of the author heavysm
      Originally Posted by datingworld View Post

      The number of forum posts and number of Thanks received has nothing to do with someone's success or failure.
      There is a lady on this forum with only about 50 posts [she is a member since 2004] and her net income is £1.5 million per year from her online ventures..... [I have a privilege to know her personally as she is my next door neighbor in London ]
      My question is a specific examination of those with high post count but make close to nothing. Your example doesn't fit my proposed situation as i have already mentioned and acknowledged those with minimal post count killing it in various ways.

      I'm simply curious what these people who actively lurk around the forum are doing if they're not making some form of income online.
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  • Profile picture of the author wesawu
    You are correct, the number of posts on WF doesn't correlate with income. What matters is the value provided in their posts. Many warriors with little time have a ton of knowledge to provide in their posts while others have more time but zero knowledge to provide in their 1000's of posts. It's what you take away from each post that matters. There is something to be learned from each post, regardless of the number of posts provided but any particular poster. You never stop learning!!
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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    Having a lot of posts only means someone has a lot to say, and time on their hands to say it. doesn't mean they know what they are talking about, or they don't. My best month was upwards of $4,000, currently not making enough to brag about. things changed and I couldn't keep up with it. I have a lot of posts, and maybe the one you talk about. If so, hi from the trenches.
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    • Profile picture of the author heavysm
      Originally Posted by timpears View Post

      Having a lot of posts only means someone has a lot to say, and time on their hands to say it. doesn't mean they know what they are talking about, or they don't. My best month was upwards of $4,000, currently not making enough to brag about. things changed and I couldn't keep up with it. I have a lot of posts, and maybe the one you talk about. If so, hi from the trenches.
      LOL looking at your profile you do fit the description but you aren't the warrior I'm talking about. I honestly only know you from your signature WSO. Just saying Hope all is well
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  • Profile picture of the author goindeep
    Originally Posted by heavysm View Post

    I have been following the posts of a fellow warrior for a while now, not because they were insightful or anything, but because I noticed a peculiar pattern in their posts. This is someone with 4000+ posts, meaning they have a lot of time on their hands, yet I realized from their own admittance that they still don't have a relatively stable form of income online.

    This was perhaps the most obvious and telling example for me to realize that a high number of posts (1000+) for a single warrior says NOTHING about their income or true experience online.

    It shouldn't have, but this really shook me. Taking into account their WF registration date they have been online for 7+ years. That is a HUGE amount of time for absolutely nothing to have worked for them, assuming a minimum of 7 years to play around with online $$ ideas.

    Please note that I am not flaming anyone, or trying to make them look bad. But I do want to know "why" this happens. Post count doesn't correlate whatsoever with income, yea i get that. But if they have little to nothing to show for their efforts online for 7+ years...I don't know what to say.

    I know life can be a hurdle, but you get around that right? You persevere if you really want it right?

    I'm just not understanding how that much time online can yield almost no form of online income. This was more of a rant than anything else, so apologies if my post is misplaced. Please note that my question is about WHY this happens to people on the WF and elsewhere. Is this just shiny object syndrome or procrastination or what?? I just really want to know :confused:
    lol, so many fakers, fraudsters and wannabes and so little time to call them all out.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Some people feel like they gotta fake it till they make it. Sound idea? Nope..... i guess it's like consistently auditioning for movie gigs in Hollywood... and "looking" like they're living the fantasy.
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  • Profile picture of the author DotComBum
    Some people spend too much time on this forum and have no time to explore ways to make more money, I advise all to search for more ways to make money instead of wasting your time posting away in forums.
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  • Profile picture of the author seonutshell
    Yeh i find it hard to believe that any "internet marketer"hasnt "cracked the code" in 7 years.

    Iv been at it just 5 months now and already made over $1000 ($600 this december) so it doesnt take 7 years to earn a sustainable living no way.
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    • Profile picture of the author David Edwards
      Originally Posted by seonutshell View Post

      Yeh i find it hard to believe that any "internet marketer"hasnt "cracked the code" in 7 years.

      Iv been at it just 5 months now and already made over $1000 ($600 this december) so it doesnt take 7 years to earn a sustainable living no way.
      True, if someone doesn't make money in 7 years, then I am sorry to say internet marketing isn't for them.
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      • Originally Posted by David Edwards View Post

        True, if someone doesn't make money in 7 years, then I am sorry to say internet marketing isn't for them.
        For some seven years would still not be enough time.
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      Originally Posted by seonutshell View Post

      Yeh i find it hard to believe that any "internet marketer"hasnt "cracked the code" in 7 years.

      Iv been at it just 5 months now and already made over $1000 ($600 this december) so it doesnt take 7 years to earn a sustainable living no way.
      Then...well done,really - you must be one of the whizz kids league -

      But for some (including me) the learning curve is way higher ..
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      • Profile picture of the author heavysm
        One of my intentions with this thread was to force a bit of self reflection for those not making it, but who could have by now. Especially for those who have been here for x amount of years, not focusing nearly as much on post count for a moment.

        All the reasons for the "why" so far stated are obvious. Somehow I didn't see them all when i first posted. At the very minimum, however, it would be great if this causes a moment of self reevaluation for those kicking around dirt. Those who haven't committed much to anything yet.

        At this point I don't care if the "why" of my initial question is evident/obvious or whatever now. I would like to harness this spark of interest so hopefully those who haven't done much might actually kick it into gear.

        I know I'm asking a lot hoping that even just one person takes something constructively positive out of this thread and uses that as their catalyst for action. But I think this is something worth the minimal risk of pointing out the obvious so that people can "wake up" so to speak in their own little bubbles of reality, whatever their situation may be.
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    • Profile picture of the author Adie
      Originally Posted by seonutshell View Post

      Yeh i find it hard to believe that any "internet marketer"hasnt "cracked the code" in 7 years.

      Iv been at it just 5 months now and already made over $1000 ($600 this december) so it doesnt take 7 years to earn a sustainable living no way.
      Do you watch track and field or formula 1? Not all of them reaches the finish line at the same time right?
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  • Profile picture of the author dewayneboyd
    Originally Posted by heavysm View Post

    I have been following the posts of a fellow warrior for a while now, not because they were insightful or anything, but because I noticed a peculiar pattern in their posts. This is someone with 4000+ posts, meaning they have a lot of time on their hands, yet I realized from their own admittance that they still don't have a relatively stable form of income online.

    This was perhaps the most obvious and telling example for me to realize that a high number of posts (1000+) for a single warrior says NOTHING about their income or true experience online.

    It shouldn't have, but this really shook me. Taking into account their WF registration date they have been online for 7+ years. That is a HUGE amount of time for absolutely nothing to have worked for them, assuming a minimum of 7 years to play around with online $$ ideas.

    Please note that I am not flaming anyone, or trying to make them look bad. But I do want to know "why" this happens. Post count doesn't correlate whatsoever with income, yea i get that. But if they have little to nothing to show for their efforts online for 7+ years...I don't know what to say.

    I know life can be a hurdle, but you get around that right? You persevere if you really want it right?

    I'm just not understanding how that much time online can yield almost no form of online income. This was more of a rant than anything else, so apologies if my post is misplaced. Please note that my question is about WHY this happens to people on the WF and elsewhere. Is this just shiny object syndrome or procrastination or what?? I just really want to know :confused:
    The answer is going to be different for everyone. Yeah, some people are lazy or unfocused, and it's their fault. But that's not always the case. Some people legitimately never find a profitable niche. There is LUCK involved in everyone's success.

    It took me way more than 7 years to achieve steady success. Why? Things like joint ventures didn't work out for me, and paid advertising didn't work, either. I finally realized that I could be successful by creating a HUGE amount of quality content. But a lot of people still don't understand that. Still others do but either haven't found the niche or are too unmotivated to do the work.
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    • Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

      Ask yourself this - why isn't everyone offline as successful as a Bill Gates, a Steve Jobs...

      It's no different online
      There is indeed a difference...

      The difference is that online, and specially here at the WF, people who've never made any significant money have a massive media platform at their disposal (the forum) to give "sound advices" left, right and center, often spreading misinformation to others, who themselves will later on spread the same misinformation...

      I'm sick of seeing people who barely make a few hundred bucks a month talk like they know this game inside out.

      I wish there was a way to filter forum opinions based on an income criteria in order to categorize the weight of such opinions.
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      • Profile picture of the author josephwilson86
        70%+ of the people that buy stuff from Frank Kern admitted that they never botheres to go through it thoroughly, much less to get started trying to implement it. Its just weak character, lack of focus. Why? Maybe they dont absolutely hate what tgeyre currently doing for money, at least not enough to actually do something else.
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        • Profile picture of the author Lurk
          Originally Posted by josephwilson86 View Post

          70%+ of the people that buy stuff from Frank Kern admitted that they never botheres to go through it thoroughly, much less to get started trying to implement it. .
          everybody seems to have a story to tell in their life now dont they. I could monday monrning QB those people who are burning through money just like someone can do the next person. Amazing aint it. I guess I wont judge them as someone could judge me and say why am i not doing x,y,z.

          Mankind is a mystery it seems.
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      • Profile picture of the author CharlesL
        Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

        There is indeed a difference...

        I wish there was a way to filter forum opinions based on an income criteria in order to categorize the weight of such opinions.
        Interesting idea. How much would someone have to be earning a month for you to take them seriously?
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      • Profile picture of the author dewayneboyd
        Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

        There is indeed a difference...

        The difference is that online, and specially here at the WF, people who've never made any significant money have a massive media platform at their disposal (the forum) to give "sound advices" left, right and center, often spreading misinformation to others, who themselves will later on spread the same misinformation...

        I'm sick of seeing people who barely make a few hundred bucks a month talk like they know this game inside out.

        I wish there was a way to filter forum opinions based on an income criteria in order to categorize the weight of such opinions.
        No way, man. Just because someone makes a certain amount of money does not mean they should be trusted. In fact, in the IM world, the opposite is often true. Filtering out certain individuals, though, would be desirable.

        Also, making a few hundred bucks a month does not mean you don't know what you are talking about. It actually tends to show the person might very well know what he or she is doing. Now, if you are talking about people who make NOTHING spouting off nonsense, then yes, that does exist here on a daily basis.
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

      As to tons of posts - I don't actually post here a lot, but my average is 3 point something a day for going on ten years. Most of those posts are from years ago when I had time to post 10 or 15 comments a day.

      Ditto.

      I was very active here everyday for just over a year. My post counts reflect that. But, you should not read anything into my post counts or thanks counts, because most of my thanks are for being funny. :p

      You should primarily judge people based on the quality of information they share. And, if you think you smell a rat, you might.
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    • Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

      Ask yourself this - why isn't everyone offline as successful as a Bill Gates, a Steve Jobs, a Mark Zuckerburg, etc? People live to be 80, 90 and even over 100 years-old, yet they never achieve anywhere near the success and wealth of others.

      It's no different online; relatively few people are ever able to achieve any real success despite all the hype you read. On the other hand, a lot more people are able to scratch out living fairly well, and work hard at doing it.

      It's NOT laziness or lack of motivation - it's nothing more complicated than simply just not being able to make it work. Whether they lack the education, experience, technical or management skills, whatever the reason it doesn't click with them.

      As to tons of posts - I don't actually post here a lot, but my average is 3 point something a day for going on ten years. Most of those posts are from years ago when I had time to post 10 or 15 comments a day.

      Even so, all of my business activities were always fully automated, so it didn't (and still doesn't matter) if I'm here posting - I'm still making money somewhere on line.
      True : Mediocrity can be a tough gig in itself! It is the new form of success!
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  • Profile picture of the author Ben West
    Those are the kinds of people you want to listen to. No one is going to direct you down the path to success unless are charging for the service. But these people will help steer you away from the paths that lead to failure.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by heavysm View Post

      What's even crazier to me is all the people i see making $$ in the WSO section and elsewhere with little to no posts. I mean these people with so many posts could even sell their signature out as advertising space. It won't be much but at least it's something.
      You seem to be assuming that all of the people in the WSO section are telling the truth.

      Do you think some of them might be fibbing a bit to make their products look better?

      There are also a bunch of sellers that would be SOL if the WSO section went away - it's their only outlet, and they've become reliant on it. Most of them would be out of business, much like people who have built their whole business around a SE loophole that could close at any time (see Penguin, Panda, Farmer, Florida, yada, yada, yada...)
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      • Profile picture of the author heavysm
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        You seem to be assuming that all of the people in the WSO section are telling the truth.

        Do you think some of them might be fibbing a bit to make their products look better?

        There are also a bunch of sellers that would be SOL if the WSO section went away - it's their only outlet, and they've become reliant on it. Most of them would be out of business, much like people who have built their whole business around a SE loophole that could close at any time (see Penguin, Panda, Farmer, Florida, yada, yada, yada...)
        That was a VERY minor point i brought up, which can be easily argued against. But thank you for pointing that out. I've stated one of my primary intentions for this thread in the post previous to this
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  • Profile picture of the author gcbmark20
    Hi,

    Not everyone uses the W.F. for all the same reasons.

    I say good luck to anyone who enjoys helping others but
    doesn't particularly have any certain goal hidden behind it.

    This is a wonderful but crazy world we live after all.

    I wouldn't stress too much about it though.

    Maybe they feel part of something and that's good enough for them
    to feel fulfilled.

    That's the W.F. for you - full of wonderful and varied personalities.

    All the best
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  • Profile picture of the author mark healy
    the problem is one of distraction and not keeping their focus enough or jumping back onto the hype wagon. Alot seem to be in information mode as opposed to action mode
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    Originally Posted by heavysm View Post

    I have been following the posts of a fellow warrior for a while now, not because they were insightful or anything, but because I noticed a peculiar pattern in their posts. This is someone with 4000+ posts, meaning they have a lot of time on their hands, yet I realized from their own admittance that they still don't have a relatively stable form of income online.
    Simple answer: The WF doesn't pay for posting.

    I noticed another relatively new comer whose post are always one or
    two liners as though s/he was trying to bump up post count to get
    credibility. I think that credibility comes more from even just one
    great post, than a million 'no contribution to the discussion' posts.

    But again, some people posts for signature exposure (forum marketing)
    than to really contribute to the forum.

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  • Profile picture of the author gregdavidson727
    Forum marketing doesn't work unless you have something really unique to offer or there's a classified section on the forum. When people are posting the only thing they're interested in is FREE. So the best you can do is either collect email addresses or get people to subscribe to something.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve B
    Originally Posted by heavysm View Post

    I'm just not understanding how that much time online can yield almost no form of online income . . . my question is about WHY this happens to people on the WF?

    Heavy,

    You should know that this is a public forum and as such there is no IM income requirement, no way to monitor who is making what, and no way to tell if a poster is being 100% truthful, 100% lying, or something in between.

    The reasons folks spend time here both posting and reading are wildly varied and to question why someone makes any particular post (regardless of their earned income) is a losing game. You will never know so why worry about it? It's something over which you have no control.

    The bottom line, in my opinion, is this: we all choose how and why we want to participate (within the forum rules, of course) and no one is owed any explanation. It is up to the reader to determine whom he or she wants to listen to and from whom advice should be taken. Is it not the same as most other things in life?

    Reminds me of a huge smorgasbord, a long buffet table that offers a myriad of food choices. You walk down the line and fill your plate with whatever you want. Yes, a few things will look very good but turn out to taste nasty! Over time, you will learn what you really like and what to avoid like the plague. Welcome to the Warrior Forum Buffet!

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  • Profile picture of the author kkll78
    Oh wow! I have experienced this same thing. Not all people with high post counts know what they are doing. I have found marketers on here with a lot less and they have some great content! Doing your research for everything is key in this market.
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    • Profile picture of the author VegasVince
      This is not a personal attack on "Professional Forum Posters." Granted there are many peeps in this joint with massive post counts that actually deliver value.

      At the same time, however, I have always believed there are those who create/sell and those who criticize those of us who take concerted action in the marketplace and SELL.

      It takes very little talent to be a "critic, cynic, or naysayer."

      And I often wonder why certain professional forum posters spend more time bitching then actually getting "in the game" and start doing some BUSINESS.

      I call them "busy bodies." A busy body is someone who is way more concerned with what I'm selling or the next person is selling....then doing ANY SELLING OF THEIR OWN.

      I find NO value in those type of posters. NONE.

      I honestly feel that for many of these "posters"......it's easier to take shots at others rather then allow themselves to "be vulnerable" and actually put out a quality product of their own.

      And for sure....some people have way too much time on their hands. Many others are just too damn scared to take a chance out of fear of rejection. That's fine....but continue along that path....and they'll repo your car.

      Just sayin'


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  • Profile picture of the author TryBPO
    The answers given that mention the many reasons people are here and engage that don't involve making money for themselves seems to ring true.

    Many here just dig the community...they like getting to know others, getting to be known/respected themselves, etc. That's totally cool with me and works for them...all good.

    What bothers me is when those who have very little experience or success in a particular area start making wild claims about what's successful, what's not, etc. It can be a chore to dig through those responses and sift the good ideas from the bad. It's also troubling, knowing that so many that are new here may take and run with that advice when it's clearly not helpful.

    I (usually) try to stick to thread topics and subjects that I know well...so that I can give good/helpful advice. If it's outside my area of expertise but I still think I can add some value, I try to state that upfront. I think that's a solution that more could/should use here.
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    • Profile picture of the author alan54
      Originally Posted by TryBPO View Post

      The answers given that mention the many reasons people are here and engage that don't involve making money for themselves seems to ring true.

      Many here just dig the community...they like getting to know others, getting to be known/respected themselves, etc. That's totally cool with me and works for them...all good.

      What bothers me is when those who have very little experience or success in a particular area start making wild claims about what's successful, what's not, etc. It can be a chore to dig through those responses and sift the good ideas from the bad. It's also troubling, knowing that so many that are new here may take and run with that advice when it's clearly not helpful.

      I (usually) try to stick to thread topics and subjects that I know well...so that I can give good/helpful advice. If it's outside my area of expertise but I still think I can add some value, I try to state that upfront. I think that's a solution that more could/should use here.
      as a newbie to IM, any advice on how to sort out the helpful advice from the unhelpful advice?

      tia
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  • Profile picture of the author jaihyppo
    Originally Posted by heavysm View Post

    It shouldn't have, but this really shook me. Taking into account their WF registration date they have been online for 7+ years. That is a HUGE amount of time for absolutely nothing to have worked for them, assuming a minimum of 7 years to play around with online $$ ideas.
    Look at me, this is my 8 years on WF, and I only manage to do 500 posts.

    Hahaha... LOL...

    Actually, I've been asking the same question. I never or hardly see top player in Internet Marketer hanging out inside forum even though they teach us to go hang out inside forum to get more traffic. LOL.

    Friendly speaking, I make money when I stop hanging out inside forum too much and stop finding the magic bullet.
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  • Profile picture of the author MoRaitman
    Quality content!!!! Sell what people want to buy, want they want to hear and see. Not what YOU feel good with. Sounds simple yet so many Warriors think just post it and it flies off the shelf. Welcome to the business world.
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  • Profile picture of the author bluefirepro
    thats the reason why war room members are told to post less and read more.
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    • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
      Originally Posted by bluefirepro View Post

      thats the reason why war room members are told to post less and read more.
      And how do you know this without having a warroom subscription? I've been a War room member for a while now and had never read that in the War room.

      If you're going to post, post factual statements!
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  • Profile picture of the author awledd
    But I would say having much post can have positive effect because it can drive some traffic. We know that a number of posts are indexed in Google and the traffic that comes from Google can land on that mans post/signature which is high quality and can make them some money so having many posts can have its advantages.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheUser
    LOL this gave me an idea. You can figure out the "forum to productivity estimate" by dividing the number of years a person has been on the forum by his number of posts. The higher the number, the more someone uses the forum and is not making money.

    In my case it's 12.5 .
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  • No offence to that person but it seems that they don't understand the go deep not wide concept when it comes to anything in life. That is a whole business cycle that has gone by and the concept of an asset doubling over that time probably escapes them also especially online assets since this is the new real estate. They must have their time committed elsewhere and when it comes to these forums lizard brain comes on...and they do the same thing that they do in life....make lots of shallow posts...Feeling guilty myself now making this post
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  • Profile picture of the author EPoltrack77
    Its about the monitization and testing process. Thats why you need goals and plans and after a week or two or three and a month you review how you and your business are doing and if its not to where you want then you need to make changes. What changes do you make? We'll thats why we have mentors and leaders in our lives ourselvs. You got your idea somewhere so follow through and see what others who are successful are doing and just copy them. Its called not having a plan and riding the miracle round
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by Adie View Post

      The number of posts has nothing to do with the amount one is earning online. Some warriors are still trying to establish their IM identity after years of failures and this is understandable. It took me more than 5 years to finally crack the code and I believe the same thing applies to other warriors here.
      Yep, 5 years is the average, took me 6 and counting!

      But l am on the right path, l just need to follow through! :rolleyes:

      Originally Posted by Adie View Post

      Yes, I made income from here and there but that was not a satisfying income. I started last 2003 and finally settled since 2010. That is 7 years trowing away domains, buying products here and there, wasting time in other websites, and everything. The worst thing that happened within that 7 years was always the "new shining object" that is always so tempting.. and I managed to beat and stay away from this thing until now...
      Yep!


      Originally Posted by seonutshell View Post

      Yeh i find it hard to believe that any "internet marketer"hasnt "cracked the code" in 7 years.

      Iv been at it just 5 months now and already made over $1000 ($600 this december) so it doesnt take 7 years to earn a sustainable living no way.
      No doubt you had a head start with business or contacts, etc? Or were one of the 13% that creates the right site with the right niche?

      It could take me close to 7 years to make enough to replace a typical job income, (l am just starting now).

      This is after 2.5 years of beating a dead horse website, that brings in about $3 a month in adsence, and costs $30 a month to run!

      And 7 months of PPC, (which can work, but the investment was too high).

      And months of trying one SEO, article or video strategy that was a waste of time.

      And a good part of a year, trying one traffic generating method after another, (most are a crock).

      And trying some shiny objects, etc!

      And software development, WSO's, etc.


      Clearly you are the exception or just lucky, but the vast majority can't get this to work, in 5, 7 or 10!


      Determination is the only reason l have cracked it!


      But l doubt that many newbies out there, could fail for 5 years running and keep going! Especially with their zero experience friends, (whatever ones they have left) and family telling them that you are wasting your time!



      Originally Posted by alan54 View Post

      as a newbie to IM, any advice on how to sort out the helpful advice from the unhelpful advice?

      tia

      Yep, when it doesn't add up!

      If you have bought something and the creator says, you will make $$$$ from this, but your results show otherwise, then it could be dodgy!

      Most things online don't work!

      Best to Google other advise about it, before committing, but sometimes even if it proves to be iffy, it may still be worth trying!

      I have gotten some great ideas, from dodgy products!

      Yep, it is easy to make money, difficult to make money consistently!


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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

      There is indeed a difference...

      The difference is that online, and specially here at the WF, people who've never made any significant money have a massive media platform at their disposal (the forum) to give "sound advices" left, right and center, often spreading misinformation to others, who themselves will later on spread the same misinformation...
      Aw, there's plenty of people offline who will give you advice they're unqualified to give -- the real difference is that online they come at you faster and from all over the world.


      Originally Posted by kkll78 View Post

      Oh wow! I have experienced this same thing. Not all people with high post counts know what they are doing.
      That's true. It's also true that sometimes when it appears someone doesn't know what they're doing, they really do, and it's us that don't understand what they are doing.


      Originally Posted by alan54 View Post

      as a newbie to IM, any advice on how to sort out the helpful advice from the unhelpful advice?

      tia

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  • Profile picture of the author gchesty
    There could be a myriad of reasons why they aren't making any money. But the bottom line is that if something isn't working, why do it for 7 years. That's the definition of insanity isn't it...doing the same thing but expecting a different result.
    If it ain't working, then it's time to change the game plan.
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    • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
      Originally Posted by gchesty View Post

      There could be a myriad of reasons why they aren't making any money. But the bottom line is that if something isn't working, why do it for 7 years. That's the definition of insanity isn't it...doing the same thing but expecting a different result.
      If it ain't working, then it's time to change the game plan.
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      success can happen overnight or it can take 5, 10, 15, 20, even 30 years for some people.

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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Originally Posted by heavysm View Post

    I have been following the posts of a fellow warrior for a while now, not because they were insightful or anything, but because I noticed a peculiar pattern in their posts. This is someone with 4000+ posts, meaning they have a lot of time on their hands, yet I realized from their own admittance that they still don't have a relatively stable form of income online.

    This was perhaps the most obvious and telling example for me to realize that a high number of posts (1000+) for a single warrior says NOTHING about their income or true experience online.

    It shouldn't have, but this really shook me. Taking into account their WF registration date they have been online for 7+ years. That is a HUGE amount of time for absolutely nothing to have worked for them, assuming a minimum of 7 years to play around with online $$ ideas.

    Please note that I am not flaming anyone, or trying to make them look bad. But I do want to know "why" this happens. Post count doesn't correlate whatsoever with income, yea i get that. But if they have little to nothing to show for their efforts online for 7+ years...I don't know what to say.

    I know life can be a hurdle, but you get around that right? You persevere if you really want it right?

    I'm just not understanding how that much time online can yield almost no form of online income. This was more of a rant than anything else, so apologies if my post is misplaced. Please note that my question is about WHY this happens to people on the WF and elsewhere. Is this just shiny object syndrome or procrastination or what?? I just really want to know :confused:
    Let me give it to you straight. I think too many here, INCLUDING NEWCOMERS, get into a mindset and start assuming too much.

    1. As you indicated, some ARE making a lot of money. I don't know HOW many, but some are. Many of them work of a false premise, vague sales methods, and dumb luck, just like many B&M companies. You want *****THE***** secret of 98%? I even took a sales class about 20 years ago, and THEY said this! It is a MANTRA! I will even give you a little addition to make it better fit 90% of the adherents today! OK, HERE it is! THE SECRET, with TWO parts.....

    a. Sell the SIZZLE, NOT the STEAK! You have probably heard of that before. Don't talk about the steak and nutritient specs! Talk about the TASTE, the SMELL, how it will make you feel FULL, etc.....

    b. If possible, DON'T tell them it is a steak, or even what to do to get the sizzle you laid out. One company I know is KNOWN for taking mostly obvious info and selling it for a HIGH price because they up the sizzle to even an illegal level, and never say what they are talking about. Would YOU like to make a 3200% return on a 5minute "investment" at your bank? Although they say it in different terms that is EXACTLY what they claim and say. The sizzle was changed to protect.... Never mind that more banks have realized the problem, or that things have been moving away from that for about 30 years, etc...

    BTW I do NOT condone using step b! It is only that MANY do!

    2. Of course, some are missing something, or have a competitor that is somehow outselling them. Maybe their market is just SMALL. MOST that make a lot of money have many others selling for them.

    3. Some are MODEST. There ARE some people that lay low in some way.

    4. Some have offline income that they feel is enough.

    5. Some feel they can't do their idea justice, there is too much competition, etc..., or they are distracted so much.

    6. YEAH, there ARE people that want you to think they are millionaires that know EVERY platform out there and play it like a Stradivarius.

    OK, that is probably most of the reasons why so many that post here make so little.

    As for posting here?

    1.Wanting to be helpful.
    2.Boredom.
    3. Name it.

    Put the two together, and you may have some people that have TONS of posts that aren't multimillionaire IM moguls. I was the highest poster until I had a problem, was out a few weeks.(2 weeks incapacitated pretty much, and 1 week just not wanting to bother) At one point I went a long period without posting. I also decided to move pretty much just HERE! Most of the posts I make don't count now ANYWAY. And my concern was NEVER to get the #1 spot. Anyway, a few people were nipping at my heels, and THEY moved ahead of me!

    If you sell a good and useful product YOU create, tie it into other things that are related or general that YOU create, sell benefits, attack major or leading competitors on benefits, have affiliates, sell at a decent price, and try to give it a professional look and feel, you are BOUND to do well.

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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      What I can't seem to understand is why one would try to correlate posts with the amount of money one makes to begin with? And why it would hit you so hard.

      Some make quite a bit of money and post little...

      Some make quite a bit of money and post a lot...

      Some people are in block and mortar business for seven years and still struggle and others have hit it big income wise sooner. Why would it be any different online?

      Another thing that is kind of hard to figure is if you knew how much money each poster made, exactly how that would alter your life one iota?

      Personal success is not found in other people's earnings, but in your own.

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      • Profile picture of the author heavysm
        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

        What I can't seem to understand is why one would try to correlate posts with the amount of money one makes to begin with? And why it would hit you so hard.

        Another thing that is kind of hard to figure is if you knew how much money each poster made, exactly how that would alter your life one iota?

        Terra
        The whole point of this thread was a reaction to finding out someone who has been online for a while has nothing to show for their efforts. It was a momentary thing to realize 4,000 x 50 - 125 words per reply (87.5 average) = 350,000 words. (rough estimate, of course)

        That could have been a kindle novel, a number of products created, a bunch of test sites set up for SEO etc. Seeing and realizing that shocked me, it shouldn't have made an iota of difference in my life, but it reminded me of the different paths people take, and I wanted to know why some people feel they haven't made it yet.

        It's not simply that knowing what people make will make any difference to me, it's that effort and hours of typing on a forum could have been spent on sooooo many other more productive things where they could have made it and have something to show for their efforts. I'll admit I care a lot about my own productivity, which made me cringe at the lost potential this warrior in question has let slip away, but in the end it's their life and that's fine.

        Overall, however, i don't mind if the mods close this thread now. Things have gotten off topic from the primary objective.
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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          Originally Posted by heavysm View Post

          Overall, however, i don't mind if the mods close this thread now. Things have gotten off topic from the primary objective.
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  • Profile picture of the author Devin X
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    Originally Posted by heavysm View Post

    I have been following the posts of a fellow warrior for a while now, not because they were insightful or anything, but because I noticed a peculiar pattern in their posts. This is someone with 4000+ posts, meaning they have a lot of time on their hands, yet I realized from their own admittance that they still don't have a relatively stable form of income online.
    There's a shocker there! :rolleyes:

    Originally Posted by heavysm View Post


    But if they have little to nothing to show for their efforts online for 7+ years...I don't know what to say. I know life can be a hurdle, but you get around that right? You persevere if you really want it right?
    No, not always. There are more people that have worked hard and hard and persisted to become a lot of things....but no one hears about them because they failed. You'll only hear about the exceptions like Eminem or something. So no, I don't find it all that surprising that someone could work hard at something for 7 years and not have much to show for it. If that shatters your hope and dreams, then I don't know what to tell you.

    The flipside here is that this person could just be a leecher or a shark...someone who's trying to use the forum to fleece people. How they post, what they post, and how many things they are selling, will tell you their motivations. I've seen a plenty people do that...just saying.

    Originally Posted by heavysm View Post

    I'm just not understanding how that much time online can yield almost no form of online income. This was more of a rant than anything else, so apologies if my post is misplaced. Please note that my question is about WHY this happens to people on the WF and elsewhere. Is this just shiny object syndrome or procrastination or what?? I just really want to know :confused:
    The why of it, huh. Such an interesting and thought twisting concept on so many levels. I gave you 2 examples already. 1. they could be just posting to be posting because they were trying to be a guru and fleece people on the forum. 2. they could be legit trying their hardest and not getting anywhere because life does that a lot. It doesn't matter if you're trying to start a business or become the next pop star...the odds are that you will fail miserably.

    Only gurus will tell you that it's all about heart or some shit like that. Not saying that persistence and gumption isn't important, no. But there are more powerful variables at work. So again, it's not all that surprising that people could spend years and years working at something and not get very far. It happens all the time, so be extremely thankful if you make it.
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    They are persisting and persevering? Good for them.
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