Dennis Rodman sings happy birthday to Kim Jung Un

13 years ago

Dennis Rodman seems to be in a whole new class of idiot! Just crazy!

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Kay King

13 years ago

Why do people keep publicizing this idiot? I turn off the news if the story is featuring him - I won't watch videos about him....

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13 years ago

love to hate is an interesting phenomena, meanwhile dennis continues counting his money

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MissTerraK

13 years ago

Originally Posted by hardraysnight

love to hate is an interesting phenomena, meanwhile dennis continues counting his money

Money isn't everything. You couldn't pay me enough money to be as idiotic, annoying and crazed as that man!

Terra

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Claude Whitacre

13 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

Money isn't everything. You couldn't pay me enough money to be as idiotic, annoying and crazed as that man!

Terra

But some will. If lots of people watch what you do, an know your name..you're famous. And Celebrity is Currency.

Most people wouldn't do what Howard Stern does. But Howard does. And enough people love him or hate him to watch him, or listen to him.

Do you read the Enquirer? I don't. But enough people do, that it makes money.

Everyone justifies whatever they do.

And Rodman? He may be crazy, but not more crazy that most people I know.
He just gets taped when he's crazy.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

But some will. If lots of people watch what you do, an know your name..you're famous. And Celebrity is Currency.

Most people wouldn't do what Howard Stern does. But Howard does. And enough people love him or hate him to watch him, or listen to him.

Do you read the Enquirer? I don't. But enough people do, that it makes money.

Everyone justifies whatever they do.

And Rodman? He may be crazy, but not more crazy that most people I know.
He just gets taped when he's crazy.

And thus the downfall of society as we know it.

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MissTerraK

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

But some will. If lots of people watch what you do, an know your name..you're famous. And Celebrity is Currency.

Most people wouldn't do what Howard Stern does. But Howard does. And enough people love him or hate him to watch him, or listen to him.

Do you read the Enquirer? I don't. But enough people do, that it makes money.

Everyone justifies whatever they do.

And Rodman? He may be crazy, but not more crazy that most people I know.
He just gets taped when he's crazy.

No, I don't read the Enquirer. When I read, I choose subjects that will stimulate my brain.

By the way, I didn't watch the video either.

As far as Rodman, he is crazy and he needs to watch his p's and q's lest he end up with the same fate as Kim Jung's uncle. Maybe stupid would be a better word. :rolleyes: Everyone with just a bit of common sense understands that when you play with fire, you will get burnt.

Terra

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Claude Whitacre

13 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

No, I don't read the Enquirer. When I read, I choose subjects that will stimulate my brain.

By the way, I didn't watch the video either.

As far as Rodman, he is crazy and he needs to watch his p's and q's lest he end up with the same fate as Kim Jung's uncle. Maybe stupid would be a better word. :rolleyes:Everyone with just a bit of common sense understands that when you play with fire, you will get burnt.

Terra

There is some truth in what you say. Not everyone that's crazy, is crazy in a good way.

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And thus the downfall of society as we know it.

Sorry, my Friend. It's the way it's been for many years. I don't like it any more than you do.

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socialentry

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

Money isn't everything. You couldn't pay me enough money to be as idiotic, annoying and crazed as that man!

Terra

That's a bit mean....

what if your BFF or husband became a communist, wouldn't you want to sing happy birthday to him/her? Would you really let politics ruin your relationships????:confused:

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MissTerraK

13 years ago

Originally Posted by socialentry

That's a bit mean....

what if your BFF or husband became a communist, wouldn't you want to sing happy birthday to him/her? Would you really let politics ruin your relationships????:confused:

This has nothing to do with communists nor politics. It has to do with a murderous mad man.

I'm quite confident that if my bf or hubby became a communist, I would sing happy birthday to them, no problem.

However, Kin Jung murdered his own family member! I'm sure if he had no qualms murdering his own bloodline, he wouldn't have a qualm at all with murdering me! All I was saying is that Rodman, because of that fact, is playing with fire.

I thought my post made that quite evident and would be easily comprehended.

Terra

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TLTheLiberator

13 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

This has nothing to do with communists nor politics. It has to do with a murderous mad man.

I'm quite confident that if my bf or hubby became a communist, I would sing happy birthday to them, no problem.

However, Kin Jung murdered his own family member!

I'm sure if he had no qualms murdering his own bloodline, he wouldn't have a qualm at all with murdering me! All I was saying is that Rodman, because of that fact, is playing with fire.

I thought my post made that quite evident and would be easily comprehended.

Terra

The uncle Kim murdered was not his blood. He was an uncle by marriage.

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MissTerraK 13 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

The uncle Kim murdered was not his blood. He was an uncle by marriage.

Pardon my ignorance on the subject.

But my point stands, a family member, anyway. I don't treat my blood family any differently than my in-laws or by marriage relatives. Family is family.

I haven't a clue if Jung feels the same or not, but anyone who would murder a family member is unstable to my way of thinking and should be avoided at all costs. And if the uncle had no bloodline in common with Kim, well, guess what? Neither does Rodman.

Anyway, it's just like if someone were threatening suicide waving a pistol or rifle around. I think that if they don't have a problem killing themselves, they certainly wouldn't have one killing me, so I'll just stay away...

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Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

This has nothing to do with communists nor politics. It has to do with a murderous mad man.

I'm quite confident that if my bf or hubby became a communist, I would sing happy birthday to them, no problem.

But what kind of communists would he be if he did not advocate for dictatorship of the proletariat?

He would be no communist, rather a state capitalist or a Khrushchev revisionist.

However, Kin Jung murdered his own family member! I'm sure if he had no qualms murdering his own bloodline, he wouldn't have a qualm at all with murdering me! All I was saying is that Rodman, because of that fact, is playing with fire.

I thought my post made that quite evident and would be easily comprehended.

Terra

But Saddam Hussein tortured his own sons and lots of US diplomats went to Iraq and back in one piece. Without a modicum of security, diplomacy would be impossible.

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MissTerraK

13 years ago

Originally Posted by socialentry

But what kind of communists would he be if he did not advocate for dictatorship of the proletariat?

He would be no communist, rather a state capitalist or a Khrushchev revisionist.

But Saddam Hussein tortured his own sons and lots of US diplomats went to Iraq and back in one piece. Without a modicum of security, diplomacy would be impossible.

You are completely missing the point. I'm not sure that you will ever get it and quite frankly, that is frightenig to me.

Saddam Hussein has absolutely nothing to do with Dennis Rodman which by the way is the one who we are discussing. Him and his friendship with Kim Jung.

By the way, communism is a way of organizing a society in which the government owns the things that are used to make and transport products (such as land, oil, factories, ships, etc.) and there is no privately owned property, according to Merriam Webster.

As you can plainly see, it has nothing to do with the heinous murdering of innocent people on a whim.

Terra

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Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

You are completely missing the point. I'm not sure that you will ever get it and quite frankly, that is frightenig to me.

Saddam Hussein has absolutely nothing to do with Dennis Rodman which by the way is the one who we are discussing. Him and his friendship with Kim Jung.

By the way, communism is a way of organizing a society in which the government owns the things that are used to make and transport products (such as land, oil, factories, ships, etc.) and there is no privately owned property, according to Merriam Webster.

As you can plainly see, it has nothing to do with the heinous murdering of innocent people on a whim.

Terra

"In his lecture at Changsha, Russell .... took a position in favour of communism but against the dictatorship of the workers and peasants. He said that one should employ the method of education to change the consciousness of the propertied classes, and that in this way it would not be necessary to limit freedom or to have recourse to war and bloody revolution.... My objections to Russell's view point can be stated in a few words: 'This is all very well as a theory, but it is unfeasible in practice' ....

If we use peaceful means to attain the goal of communism, when will we finally achieve it? Let us assume that a century will be required, a century marked by the unceasing groans of the proletariat. What position shall we adopt in the face of this situation? The proletariat is many times more numerous than the bourgeoisie; if we assume that the proletariat constitutes two-thirds of humanity, then one billion of the earth's one billion five hundred million inhabitants are proletarians (I fear that the figure is even higher), who during this century will be cruelly exploited by the remaining third of capitalists. How can we bear this?
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COMMUNISM AND DICTATORSHIP

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MissTerraK

13 years ago

Originally Posted by socialentry

"In his lecture at Changsha, Russell .... took a position in favour of communism but against the dictatorship of the workers and peasants. He said that one should employ the method of education to change the consciousness of the propertied classes, and that in this way it would not be necessary to limit freedom or to have recourse to war and bloody revolution.... My objections to Russell's view point can be stated in a few words: 'This is all very well as a theory, but it is unfeasible in practice' ....

If we use peaceful means to attain the goal of communism, when will we finally achieve it? Let us assume that a century will be required, a century marked by the unceasing groans of the proletariat. What position shall we adopt in the face of this situation? The proletariat is many times more numerous than the bourgeoisie; if we assume that the proletariat constitutes two-thirds of humanity, then one billion of the earth's one billion five hundred million inhabitants are proletarians (I fear that the figure is even higher), who during this century will be cruelly exploited by the remaining third of capitalists. How can we bear this?
"-Mao Tse-tung

COMMUNISM AND DICTATORSHIP

That is clearly Mao Tse-tung's opinion, not fact. :rolleyes:

Terra

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Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

That is clearly Mao Tse-tung's opinion, not fact. :rolleyes:

Terra

I don't know he seems pretty authoritative on the subject albeit I could be wrong???? He seems very confident in his writing for some reason. :confused:

But let's say your BFF (best friend forever) or husband fundamentally agreed with mr.tse-tung , would you still sing happy birthday to him.

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MissTerraK

13 years ago

Originally Posted by socialentry

I don't know he seems pretty authoritative on the subject albeit I could be wrong???? He seems very confident in his writing for some reason. :confused:

But let's say your BFF (best friend forever) or husband fundamentally agreed with mr.tse-tung , would you still sing happy birthday to him.

Nope! Because we actually wouldn't even know each other, so therefore we would never have become friends or married in the first place and I wouldn't even know it was their birthday. :p

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socialentry

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

Nope! Because we actually wouldn't even know each other, so therefore we would never have become friends or married in the first place and I wouldn't even know it was their birthday. :p

Terra

But what if he was an undercover chinese agent during all these years????:confused:

And he wants you to sing him happy birthday

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MissTerraK 13 years ago

Originally Posted by socialentry

But what if he was an undercover chinese agent during all these years????:confused:

And he wants you to sing him happy birthday

Seriously?

Give it a rest now, would ya, lol!

Terra
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  Seriously?
  
  Give it a rest now, would ya, lol!
  
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joseph7384

13 years ago

Originally Posted by socialentry

But Saddam Hussein tortured his own sons and lots of US diplomats went to Iraq and back in one piece. Without a modicum of security, diplomacy would be impossible.

Where did you hear that? they both tortured others, but they were certainly not tortured.

Read this, it will shed some light on how brutal they both were.

Blood Brothers* Torture

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socialentry

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by joseph7384

Where did you hear that? they both tortured others, but they were certainly not tortured.

Read this, it will shed some light on how brutal they both were.

Blood Brothers* Torture

I might be wrong. It was from a 2003 TIME magazine article I think.

It had to do with Uday's fall from grace.

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Rod Cortez

13 years ago

Originally Posted by hardraysnight

love to hate is an interesting phenomena, meanwhile dennis continues counting his money

You're right, he's counting his money because he's been having financial problems for a long time. He owes over 800,000 in child support, not to mention the other problems he's been having.

I'm sure he didn't go to N. Korea for free.

Rodman lost all sense of reality a long time ago; his latest antics are nothing new, it's just now there's more media coverage because North Korea's Leader is a murdering psycho and Rodman is calling this man "my best friend."

I don't hate Rodman, I actually feel sorry for him for being such a moron and not being aware of it.

We're not misjudging anything. The reality is that the North Korean leader is a power hungry man just like his father and his father before him. People seem to forget that there are real concentration camps in that country where people are being executed and tortured. We know this because every one who has escape from those camps have the exact same stories

You cannot reason with people like him, opening any kind of diplomatic communications might make some people warm and fuzzy inside, but it does not change the fact that this man is a monster, and Rodman, who has no marketability anymore, is calling this monster his "friend".

It's pathetic.

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TimPhelan

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Rod Cortez

The reality is that the North Korean leader is a power hungry man just like his father and his father before him. People seem to forget that there are real concentration camps in that country where people are being executed and tortured. We know this because every one who has escape from those camps have the exact same stories

You cannot reason with people like him, opening any kind of diplomatic communications might make some people warm and fuzzy inside, but it does not change the fact that this man is a monster, and Rodman, who has no marketability anymore, is calling this monster his "friend".

I'm not saying this sh*t Rodman is doing is the same as what happened through the previously mentioned ping pong "diplomacy", but one thing is clear, Chairman Mao had a worse human rights record than this "leader". Under Mao most estimate tens of millions were killed! Here's one estimate that has him as the all time leader in murders by a dictator at 78 million!

Which dictator killed the most people? | Today I Learned Something New

Yet, our President went to meet him, smile and shake his hand. History will likely look at it as one of the best things Nixon ever did, so who are we to say this just might not be that bad of a thing?

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

I'm not saying this sh*t Rodman is doing is the same as what happened through the previously mentioned ping pong "diplomacy", but one thing is clear, Chairman Mao had a worse human rights record than this "leader". Under Mao most estimate tens of millions were killed! Here's one estimate that has him as the all time leader in murders by a dictator at 78 million!

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Yet, our President went to meet him, smile and shake his hand. History will likely look at it as one of the best things Nixon ever did, so who are we to say this just might not be that bad of a thing?

I didn't realize that. I would have guessed Stalin or Mugabe.

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Originally Posted by TimPhelan

I'm not saying this sh*t Rodman is doing is the same as what happened through the previously mentioned ping pong "diplomacy", but one thing is clear, Chairman Mao had a worse human rights record than this "leader". Under Mao most estimate tens of millions were killed! Here's one estimate that has him as the all time leader in murders by a dictator at 78 million!

Which dictator killed the most people? | Today I Learned Something New

Yet, our President went to meet him, smile and shake his hand. History will likely look at it as one of the best things Nixon ever did, so who are we to say this just might not be that bad of a thing?

it's just too bad Obama was not singing happy birthday too.

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TLTheLiberator 13 years ago

Originally Posted by socialentry

it's just too bad Obama was not singing happy birthday too.

Great way to get this thread deleted or closed.

And yes, Rodman is an idiot.
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13 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

I'm not saying this sh*t Rodman is doing is the same as what happened through the previously mentioned ping pong "diplomacy", but one thing is clear, Chairman Mao had a worse human rights record than this "leader". Under Mao most estimate tens of millions were killed! Here's one estimate that has him as the all time leader in murders by a dictator at 78 million!

Which dictator killed the most people? | Today I Learned Something New

Yet, our President went to meet him, smile and shake his hand. History will likely look at it as one of the best things Nixon ever did, so who are we to say this just might not be that bad of a thing?

Tim, I think most Chinese people would disagree that Mao was as evil as Hitler or Stalin. Most of deaths attributed to him were due to famine that arose because of misguided policies, rather than deliberate killing as ordered by Hitler or Stalin.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by derekwong28

rather than deliberate killing as ordered by Hitler

One of the great mistruths about old 'Dolfy was that the "Final Solution" was his idea and ordered by him.

That was dreamed up and implemented by Heinrich Himmler, not Hitler.

OK, OK, Hitler was ultimately responsible as it happened "on his watch", but all the atrocities attributed to him were actually planned and executed (no pun intended) by his henchmen. He himself never gave any of the orders that led to The Holocaust.

And before anyone responds, I am not defending him, just clearing things up from a factual historic perspective.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

One of the great mistruths about old 'Dolfy was that the "Final Solution" was his idea and ordered by him.

That was dreamed up and implemented by Heinrich Himmler, not Hitler.

OK, OK, Hitler was ultimately responsible as it happened "on his watch", but all the atrocities attributed to him were actually planned and executed (no pun intended) by his henchmen. He himself never gave any of the orders that led to The Holocaust.

And before anyone responds, I am not defending him, just clearing things up from a factual historic perspective.

I've heard that said many times before. In fact, when you look at what Josef Mengele did, well, you couldn't even make it up, let alone think it up as an order or policy.

EDIT. For the record I'm not saying Hitler is innocent or that he didn't order the deaths, I'm just saying, having read extensively about Mengele, I can't believe anyone ordered him to do what he did, it was his rather sick mind that came up with it...and I could well be wrong on that too.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

One of the great mistruths about old 'Dolfy was that the "Final Solution" was his idea and ordered by him.

That was dreamed up and implemented by Heinrich Himmler, not Hitler.

OK, OK, Hitler was ultimately responsible as it happened "on his watch", but all the atrocities attributed to him were actually planned and executed (no pun intended) by his henchmen. He himself never gave any of the orders that led to The Holocaust.

And before anyone responds, I am not defending him, just clearing things up from a factual historic perspective.

This is something we will never know. All modern dictators do their best to leave no record of their murderous orders in case it comes back to them in future. There is a similar situation with Hirohito where we will never know exactly what role he played in the war. Out of the Hitler, Stalin, and Mao, I would put Stalin at the top as most of his murderous deeds were directed on purpose at his own countrymen.

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Kay King 13 years ago

When the "least bad dude" among them committed atrocities we couldn't stomach...does it matter who wins the "most bad" award?

Where did the money come from to send Rodman and his "team" to NK? No one seems to know the answer and the team members won't say. They may not be totally stupid - didn't the reports say NK won the basketball game?
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13 years ago

Hitler talked about "the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe" in 1939, well before Himmler put together a "plan". How was this not ordered by Hitler?

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

One of the great mistruths about old 'Dolfy was that the "Final Solution" was his idea and ordered by him.

That was dreamed up and implemented by Heinrich Himmler, not Hitler.

OK, OK, Hitler was ultimately responsible as it happened "on his watch", but all the atrocities attributed to him were actually planned and executed (no pun intended) by his henchmen. He himself never gave any of the orders that led to The Holocaust.

And before anyone responds, I am not defending him, just clearing things up from a factual historic perspective.

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TLTheLiberator 13 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Hitler talked about "the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe" in 1939, well before Himmler put together a "plan". How was this not ordered by Hitler?

I could be wrong, but I thought I heard that Hitler wrote of eliminating Jews in his book Mien Kauf (My Dreams) which was written in the 1920s.
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  I never read that one but I believe you are right. Or at least dealing with the "Jewish problem" which was always an issue for the Nazi party.
  
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  I could be wrong, but I thought I heard that Hitler wrote of eliminating Jews in his book Mien Kauf (My Dreams) which was written in the 1920s.
  
  Actually, the book was called "Mein Kampf" and it means "My Fight".
  
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TimPhelan

13 years ago

Originally Posted by derekwong28

Tim, I think most Chinese people would disagree that Mao was as evil as Hitler or Stalin. Most of deaths attributed to him were due to famine that arose because of misguided policies, rather than deliberate killing as ordered by Hitler or Stalin.

Derek, your post led me to go read about Mao this morning and what I found was that although many of the deaths attributed to him came from the terrible famine, that still leaves millions more who were deliberately killed.

Also, some attribute much of the famine deaths to him directly because they say he was well aware that many were starving and yet still directly ordered the central government to take up to approximately 1/3 of the grain from the farmers, much more than had ever been the case. A quote from him at the time of this order:

"When there is not enough to eat, people starve to death. It is better to let half of the people die so that the other half can eat their fill."

Some claim that not only did Mao know the extent of the starvation early on, he steered the starvation towards those who were perceived to be his enemies. China also sold this grain at the time to the USSR, exports increased by 50% and they actually gave it away to other communist countries such as Vietnam, North Korea and Albania.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by socialentry

That's a bit mean....

what if your BFF or husband became a communist, wouldn't you want to sing happy birthday to him/her? Would you really let politics ruin your relationships????:confused:

Wow, I can't believe you wrote that. It's not about politics or being a communist. It's about letting your own people starve, torturing and killing them; things that Kim Jung Un has already done in his short tenure.

You are completely missing the point here.

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

I'm not saying this sh*t Rodman is doing is the same as what happened through the previously mentioned ping pong "diplomacy", but one thing is clear, Chairman Mao had a worse human rights record than this "leader". Under Mao most estimate tens of millions were killed! Here's one estimate that has him as the all time leader in murders by a dictator at 78 million!

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Yet, our President went to meet him, smile and shake his hand. History will likely look at it as one of the best things Nixon ever did, so who are we to say this just might not be that bad of a thing?

I hear you, though, I wasn't making that point.

I will acknowledge that Rodman and his players going out there to build some rapport is not necessarily a good or bad thing, because only time will tell if it was or not. Heck, I'll go far as to say it might be a good thing.

I'm talking about him calling that man his "best friend" and the way he lost his temper when the CNN report asked him a fair and reasonable question. If he had half a brain he would keep that information to himself. I still believe there are financial motives behind this visit because Kim Jun Un has the means to reward him in many ways, aside from financially.

Anyways, I've had enough of this topic. Back to my marketing stuff.

RoD

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HeySal 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Why do people keep publicizing this idiot? I turn off the news if the story is featuring him - I won't watch videos about him....

Stole my thunder, Kay. So here's the lightning to go with it -- if people just clicked off anything with the name Rodman in it, soon nobody would know about him and the publicity he's pulling in would not exist. Complicity in the Share is what is getting him the big bucks.

That's what I do. Just turn it off. I wouldn't think of sharing this story - let it die in silence.
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hardraysnight

13 years ago

poor chap needs the money

Dennis Rodman Net Worth - TheRichest

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samhowieson

13 years ago

ha! Rodman is crazy!

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Dennis Gaskill

13 years ago

Here are a two anagrams of "Dennis Rodman" I found years ago:

- Demon innards
- Inner man's odd

Sometimes those darn anagrams are a fair representation of the subject.

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yukon

Banned 13 years ago

Captive audience.

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thunderbird

13 years ago

OK, I was thinking maybe Dennis Rodman is a great singer and what better way to make waves and get international exposure than to sing Happy Birthday to Kim Jung Un? After all, Idi Amin and Pol Pot are no longer with us. But he sings in mono-tone and seems to be genuinely tone-deaf.