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The US has all but done it and NOW.....

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Activist Post: EU To Ban Heirloom Seeds and Criminalize Unregistered Gardens

This is the OPPOSITE of fairness, freedom, satiety, etc....

This can only lead to MORE poverty and hunger.

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  • Profile picture of the author ThomM
    If TPP is passed real food will pretty much disappear.
    Interesting when the current pres. ran the first time he said gmo's should be labeled and it would be one of the first things he would do after taking office.
    So far he's appointed a former governor who rode around his state in a monsanto corporate jet as head of the USDA. Next was putting a former monsanto employee in the epa so they could continue to add poisons to the environment at an increased rate. After that was putting Micheal Taylor in charge of our food safety in the FDA.
    He's done everything he can do to help monsanto at the expense of our environment and our health.
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    I don't like Activist Post as a source, and even this article is
    full of propaganda and fractional-truths, but yeah the TPP
    is absolutely one of the worst disasters of our time.

    As it is, most of the world's food supply is limited to only 27 seeds...
    What we need is an initiative going in the exact opposite direction
    of this!
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post

      I don't like Activist Post as a source, and even this article is
      full of propaganda and fractional-truths, but yeah the TPP
      is absolutely one of the worst disasters of our time.

      As it is, most of the world's food supply is limited to only 27 seeds...
      What we need is an initiative going in the exact opposite direction
      of this!
      YEAH, I don't like the huffington post EITHER, but sometimes I quote it.

      BTW the IRONIC thing is that, as I said, our "co2 problem" is NOT that there is too much CO2! It is that there are not enough things converting it. Doing what they want to do with plants will likely HURT things MORE! But HEY, that girl with the potato, where she tried to get one to sprout for MONTHS, and it DIDN'T, may end up being a WORLD WIDE phenomenon.

      WHAT will they do with the grass and dandelions? Many DO eat dandelions, and many have livestock that will eat grass. I guess THAT is next! I guess they COULD have plans spray the stuff with roundup! WHERE will this end?

      MANY think that this planet has had SEVERAL populations wiped out nearly 100% and others sprang up later. The Bible talks about a couple similar events. What if that HAS been happening? These laws may mean that THIS population will be the LAST, and Earth will become barren, like mars has longed been believed to be.

      And ALL this because of an organization that claims to be trying to do the OPPOSITE!

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      • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        YEAH, I don't like the huffington post EITHER, but sometimes I quote it.
        lol yep great point there.



        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        The Bible...
        ...Is also not a reliable source for the study of history. Still, I understand
        and agree with your point, as one possible outcome of what is going
        on right now.

        The question becomes, what is being done to limit the efforts of
        Monsanto, TPP, etc?

        And, I don't want to go extreme in the other direction, either.
        I'm most certainly not against genetic engineering... I just want it
        controlled and labeled. And for the lobbyists promoting it to
        stay the hell away from an individual's rights to have their own
        garden on their own land.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post

          ...Is also not a reliable source for the study of history. Still, I understand
          and agree with your point, as one possible outcome of what is going
          on right now.
          I was using the Bible ONLY as INCONTROVERTIBLE PROOF that the concept was not new or unique. NO religious context or meaning needed. As for the EVIDENCE that it has happened? Science HAS found LOTS of POTENTIAL evidence. Unfortunately, nobody could ever legitimately put it into a proven context, so WHO KNOWS!?!?!?

          The question becomes, what is being done to limit the efforts of
          Monsanto, TPP, etc?

          And, I don't want to go extreme in the other direction, either.
          I'm most certainly not against genetic engineering... I just want it
          controlled and labeled. And for the lobbyists promoting it to
          stay the hell away from an individual's rights to have their own
          garden on their own land.
          RIGHT! Since one EPOCH relies on ANOTHER EPOCH, reason says that the current method must be kept viable for 2 or more EPOCHS. In BUSINESS, with accounting, an epoch is often one year. SO, if you make an accounting change, you generally keep the old one AT LEAST a YEAR! According to US federal law, if you do something they may feel is questionable, an epoch becomes 7 years! With HUMANS, it is generally about 80 years. But how is it with the world ecology?

          So I am very much against changing the ESSENCE of something a creature on this planet obviously relies on or could be edible, etc....

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    Don't forget we have two supreme court judges who are ex-monsanto, never recuse themselves from a case involving the company, and never rule against it.
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  • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
    Found this among the comments....

    http://ec.europa.eu/food/plant/plant...roposal_en.pdf

    Stop lying, please. The exact opposite of what this article claims is true.

    Q: Is the new proposal going to regulate what people plant in their gardens?
    A: Private gardeners and farmers who use seeds and plants and produce them for their own consumption are not covered by this proposal. The proposal only concerns the marketing of plant reproductive material, and production of that material with a view to marketing.
    It's probably best to read the proposal and derive opinions from that instead of reading the most-likely biased view of a blog called the "Activist Post".
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      When Even Bloomberg Is Saying The TPP Is A Dangerous 'Corporatist Power Grab' That Everyone Should Avoid... | Techdirt
      It's probably best to read the proposal and derive opinions from that instead of reading the most-likely biased view of a blog called the "Activist Post".
      How about doctors without borders, do they count as bias?
      https://www.doctorswithoutborders.or...fing-documents
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      • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
        Thom, it seems you posted two links to articles about the TTP which is separate from the law being proposed.

        By the way, our current pres did say that he thought there should be GMO labels but it wasn't something he said would be one of the first things he did. He was talking only about having country of origin labels, which was something that happened right away. I've seen the video that supposedly shows him making the GMO promise but it has been edited. Find the whole unedited video and you will see what I mean.
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        • Profile picture of the author ThomM
          Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

          Thom, it seems you posted two links to articles about the TTP which is separate from the law being proposed.

          By the way, our current pres did say that he thought there should be GMO labels but it wasn't something he said would be one of the first things he did. He was talking only about having country of origin labels, which was something that happened right away. I've seen the video that supposedly shows him making the GMO promise but it has been edited. Find the whole unedited video and you will see what I mean.
          You think the law being proposed is the one that is being pushed? I'd believe doctors without borders over what we are being sold any day.
          Here's Obama saying gmo's will be labeled because Americans deserve to know what they are buying. Maybe it doesn't say immediately, but putting people in charge of our food and food safety that have heavy ties to the bio-tech industry and especially Monsanto sure does seem like a strange way to go about it.

          Why did he appoint Tom Vilsack in charge of the USDA?

          Yahoo!
          WHy is Micheal Taylor in charge of our food safety?
          Here's a man who has either worked for monsanto or for a law firm that represents monsanto or the fda where he among other things said milk containing rBGH doesn't need to be labeled even though it is banned in almost every nation in the world.
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_R._Taylor
          But like you told me before, it's ok for the president to lie because they all do it.
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          • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
            Like I said, the doctors without borders link is about the TPP which is different from the seed law in the EU. That is the misleading video I was referring to.

            Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

            You think the law being proposed is the one that is being pushed? I'd believe doctors without borders over what we are being sold any day.
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            • Profile picture of the author ThomM
              Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

              Like I said, the doctors without borders link is about the TTP which is different from the seed law in the EU. That is the misleading video I was referring to.
              I admitted he didn't say immediately. Are you now denying he didn't say gmo's should be labeled at all?
              Here's Obama saying gmo's will be labeled because Americans deserve to know what they are buying. Maybe it doesn't say immediately, but putting people in charge of our food and food safety that have heavy ties to the bio-tech industry and especially Monsanto sure does seem like a strange way to go about it.
              How does the seed law in the EU make the TPP a good idea?
              You don't think the EU seed law might be paving the way for TPP?
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              • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
                Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

                Are you now denying he didn't say gmo's should be labeled at all?
                Nope.

                How does the seed law in the EU make the TPP a good idea?
                You don't think the EU seed law might be paving the way for TPP?
                I don't see them as being connected. By the way, from what I have read and heard the TPP isn't a treaty I want to see passed as is.
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                • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                  Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                  Nope.



                  I don't see them as being connected. By the way, from what I have read and heard the TPP isn't a treaty I want to see passed as is.
                  I'm not surprised by that at all Tim.
                  After all it will get monsanto back in Europe.
                  The Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP) has the potential to become the biggest regional Free Trade Agreement in history. . . .
                  The chief agricultural negotiator for the US is the former Monsanto lobbyist, Islam Siddique. If ratified the TPP would impose punishing regulations that give multinational corporations unprecedented right to demand taxpayer compensation for policies that corporations deem a barrier to their profits.
                  . . . They are carefully crafting the TPP to insure that citizens of the involved countries have no control over food safety, what they will be eating, where it is grown, the conditions under which food is grown and the use of herbicides and pesticides.Monsanto, the TPP, and Global Food Dominance | Global Research
                  Monsanto and Walmart Influence Secret TPP Negotiations

                  Monsanto, the TPP and global food dominance - News - The Ecologist

                  EDIT: I had company stop in so I had to rush this post.
                  I wasn't being sarcastic Tim. I know you're not in favor of large corporations dictating policy no more then I am. That's one area we always agree on.
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                  • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
                    Yeah, I think we agree on the TPP Thom. I hope it doesn't pass. How would it get Monsanto back into Europe though since it's a Pacific rim deal?
                    Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

                    I'm not surprised by that at all Tim.
                    After all it will get monsanto back in Europe.
                    Monsanto and Walmart Influence Secret TPP Negotiations

                    Monsanto, the TPP and global food dominance - News - The Ecologist

                    EDIT: I had company stop in so I had to rush this post.
                    I wasn't being sarcastic Tim. I know you're not in favor of large corporations dictating policy no more then I am. That's one area we always agree on.
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                    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                      Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                      Yeah, I think we agree on the TPP Thom. I hope it doesn't pass. How would it get Monsanto back into Europe though since it's a Pacific rim deal?
                      OOPS You're right.
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          Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

          Thom, it seems you posted two links to articles about the TTP which is separate from the law being proposed.

          By the way, our current pres did say that he thought there should be GMO labels but it wasn't something he said would be one of the first things he did. He was talking only about having country of origin labels, which was something that happened right away. I've seen the video that supposedly shows him making the GMO promise but it has been edited. Find the whole unedited video and you will see what I mean.
          Monsanto spent 40 mil to keep labeling out of California. Monsanto was recently subsidized 40 mil. Why a company with their profit margin should be subsidized would be a real good thing for people to think about when voting. If a rep has voted to subsidize a very lucrative corp like that, maybe we should consider someone else for the office. Several states have passed labeling laws now..........and the TPP would completely trash them except in states (there's around 10 of them) that are really pushing back on their sovereignty. You will see the fight of a lifetime over it in those states.
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      • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post


        How about doctors without borders, do they count as bias?
        https://www.doctorswithoutborders.or...fing-documents
        Bias is everywhere. Everyone is biased. Also, I don't see what that article has to do with heirloom seeds or gardens. I would expect the "activist post" to be a bit more biased than the site you linked to, and perhaps I'm a bit biased in thinking that...
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by mojojuju View Post

      Found this among the comments....



      It's probably best to read the proposal and derive opinions from that instead of reading the most-likely biased view of a blog called the "Activist Post".
      Question for you! It's a BIG one! READY!?!?!?!!??!? WHERE do you get the seed?

      Steve
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